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  • -I'm Bernie Sanders. I'm running for president.

  • -Joe Biden is set to join the 2020 Democratic race.

  • -I am in this fight all the way! -I'll speak on his behalf here.

  • He's gonna run for president.

  • How about that? [cheers and applause]

  • -They call me Mayor Pete, and I am running for president.

  • -I announce my candidacy.

  • -I'm Deval Patrick. -Tom Steyer.

  • -Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg --

  • -I follow politics for a living, and even I'm overwhelmed.

  • Aren't you?

  • Let's get some help.

  • -Drew, you're gonna need these. -Thanks, David Ignatius.

  • Karen Tumulty. -Hey, just a sec.

  • Let me finish this tweet. -Mm-hmm.

  • I have some french fries here.

  • You have years of political expertise.

  • What do you say we trade?

  • -Deal. -Alright.

  • Is that enough for you?

  • This year feels historic.

  • I'm not making that up, right?

  • Can you just walk me through the ways that this cycle is so crazy

  • and tell me that I'm not crazy for thinking so?

  • -There are three big things

  • that are really different about this year.

  • -Right.

  • -One is there is no obvious front-runner.

  • Joe Biden's leading in the polls,

  • but he looks like a pretty weak front-runner.

  • -If you want to check my shape on, let's do push-ups

  • together here, man. Let's run.

  • Let's do whatever you want to do.

  • Let's take an IQ test.

  • -The second is the size of the field.

  • The sheer number of people who have jumped into this race

  • is astonishing. -Right.

  • -At one point, there were over two dozen Democratic candidates.

  • -Right. -And, then, finally,

  • the challenge of this calendar is much harder,

  • I think, than we have ever seen,

  • because some really big states, like California and Texas,

  • have moved up their contests, which means that you have

  • to have the resources up front to be able to compete.

  • -We have, like, people from all across the board.

  • How are you thinking in broad categories of the candidates?

  • -We've got ethnic and gender diversity

  • like we have never seen before --

  • more women candidates, African-Americans,

  • Asian, Latino.

  • We also have more diversity, I think,

  • in life experience than we've ever seen --

  • current and former senators, one of whom was vice president,

  • two billionaires, current or former mayors.

  • We've never had a mayor as President of the United States.

  • And until Donald Trump,

  • we had never had a President of the United States

  • who had not spent one minute in public service,

  • whether working a government job or serving in the military.

  • You have this great diversity of candidates.

  • -Right.

  • -And who are the three leading contenders?

  • -Right. -Three white septuagenarians

  • and then one fourth person who's Pete Buttigieg.

  • -Right. How can I speak intelligently

  • about the reasons people are getting out?

  • Kamala said it was because of money, right?

  • -I'm not a billionaire. I can't fund my own campaign.

  • -There were a bunch of other factors, I think.

  • One is that had she stayed in, she would have had to file

  • to be a presidential candidate in California.

  • -Okay. -Super Tuesday, March 3.

  • She is the home-state senator. -Mm-hmm.

  • -And she was running something

  • like third or fourth in the polls.

  • -Mm-hmm.

  • -For her to have gotten humiliated in her own home state

  • could have had long-term implications

  • for what is still a pretty bright career.

  • -I am still very much in this fight.

  • -I think it was a very smart move on her part.

  • -See, now, that I can say at a dinner party.

  • -I think the big "X" factor

  • in all of this is does Joe Biden stumble?

  • -Uh-huh. -And if he stumbles,

  • when does he stumble, and where does he stumble?

  • -Has he not been stumbling?

  • -He still kind of has the national poll numbers.

  • If you get to the point where the assumption is that he's not

  • the "electable" guy that you thought he was,

  • that suddenly opens a lot of space.

  • One of the people I've been keeping an eye on

  • is Amy Klobuchar.

  • -You go back to what James Madison, who I love,

  • 'cause he was 5'4",

  • which is my height, and you as a president --

  • -It doesn't show up in the polls,

  • but if you go to Iowa,

  • you just run into a lot of support for her.

  • -I have the most endorsements of electeds

  • and former electeds of any candidate --

  • any of them in Iowa. -Yeah.

  • -But, again, as long as Joe Biden is in the race,

  • she doesn't really get the kind of running room.

  • This time around, it's a lot more complicated

  • I think than it has ever been.

  • -Mm-hmm. -So, we go to Iowa February 3.

  • Right after that's New Hampshire,

  • Nevada caucuses, South Carolina. -Right.

  • Boom, boom, boom. -Right.

  • A month after the Iowa caucuses, Super Tuesday.

  • Boom, boom, boom, boom.

  • -15 states, a third of the population of the country,

  • will be voting on one day.

  • -Right. It's crazy.

  • What is going to determine

  • whether they can beat Donald Trump?

  • -You know, I go back and forth on that.

  • There are some days I wake up and think,

  • "Which of them couldn't beat him?"

  • I mean, he's got the lowest approval rating of any president

  • since polling began,

  • so he does seem like a really uniquely vulnerable president.

  • But he also, the way he fights

  • is unlike anything we have ever seen.

  • -The Democrats' outrageous conduct

  • has created an angry majority

  • that will vote many do-nothing Democrats out of office in 2020.

  • -In 2016, he was essentially living off the land.

  • As late as the spring of 2016, he had a campaign staff

  • that consisted of about six people.

  • He was spending very little of his own money.

  • He had almost no ground operation,

  • even going into the fall of 2016.

  • He basically had to borrow what the RNC had built.

  • -Mm-hmm.

  • -That isn't gonna be the case this time.

  • -Money. -They are raising money

  • like crazy.

  • They have a very sophisticated digital operation,

  • and they are pouring enormous resources into organization.

  • So this Donald Trump is not going to be

  • your 2016 Donald Trump. -Last question,

  • I promise, for this -- -I got to take this.

  • Sorry.

  • Leave the fries.

-I'm Bernie Sanders. I'm running for president.

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