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  • Very few things in this country galvanize public opinion like someone

  • trying to mess around with people's preferences in the bedroom.

  • I'm talking of course about what they watch on late-night television, and NBC found that

  • out a few months ago when Conan O'Brien, the newly installed host of The Tonight

  • Show, quit after the network announced it was going to push the Tonight Show into

  • tomorrow, and to give its traditional timeslot back to O'Brien's predecessor

  • Jay Leno. It triggered a lot of bad publicity for NBC, an outpouring of

  • public support for Conan and some of the best late-night jokes in a decade.

  • Conan walked away with a 32 million dollar settlement and a new cable show,

  • and NBC did its best to push him into oblivion, legally prohibiting him from

  • saying anything false or disparaging about the network, and from giving

  • interviews or appearing on television until...now. If you're wondering what

  • happened to Conan O'Brien and what he thinks about all of this, you're about to find out.

  • So what's with the beard?

  • The first day that I woke up and was no

  • longer the host of The Tonight Show, I remember the first thought I had is

  • "I am NOT shaving" and that was my small victory. Oh okay so I lost The Tonight

  • Show but I'll show them... I'll stop shaving.

  • This has been quite a year

  • Yeah......that's it we're done this was a lot of fun.

  • This year has been

  • is still incomprehensible to me the amount of stuff that's happened in my

  • life in the last year is... it's gonna take me a long time to process it.

  • After leaving the Tonight Show in January and hanging out at his home

  • trying to figure out what he was going to do with the rest of his life,

  • he decided the best therapy would be to get out of the house and back to work.

  • He assembled a lot of his old staff, opened a Twitter account,

  • "That's the tweet",

  • And began planning

  • nationwide comedy tour something that he had never done before

  • and one of the few things he was allowed to do contractually

  • "See how things play out"

  • We met up with him in Seattle. You must have been miserable the

  • last couple of months.

  • I went through some stuff and got very depressed at

  • times you know it was like a marriage breaking up suddenly violently quickly

  • and I was just trying to figure out what happened.

  • When we started putting this tour together,

  • I started to feel better almost immediately and then

  • this, there's no better antidote to what I've just been through then to do this every night.

  • "Ladies and Gentlemen..."

  • "I'll see you in a little bit." "Ok"

  • Why don't you go?

  • No stop!

  • You go! I can't do it!

  • "CONAN O'BRIEN!"

  • You know doing this tour though this is a huge milestone for me

  • This is the first time anybody has ever paid to see me can you believe that

  • yeah oh they they paid to make me go away (laughs)

  • "On the Road Again"

  • The legally prohibited from being funny on television tour has boosted his

  • confidence, kept him relevant, and provided an outlet for him to explore

  • his anger, disappointment, and anxiety with mostly self-deprecating humor my

  • "My Own Show Again...I just can't wait to have my own show again..."

  • "I'd even take a primetime show that's on at ten anything to have my own show again"

  • After forty performances in thirty two cities in the US and Canada, the tour will wind up next month

  • at Radio City Music Hall in New York, right next door to NBC's corporate headquarters

  • where this whole late-night Fiasco was cooked up.

  • I just want to say

  • I couldn't be happier, you were the only choice, you were the perfect choice you

  • have been an absolute gentleman in private

  • "Conan Rocks"

  • in the press

  • I agree Conan rocks. Good luck next week my friend.

  • Jay thank you for everything

  • Less than one year after Jay Leno handed The Tonight Show off to Conan O'Brien,

  • NBC decided to cancel Leno's disastrous primetime show and move him back into his old time period at 11:35 Eastern.

  • Conan's "Tonight Show", which was losing badly in the ratings to David Letterman,

  • was to be bumped back to 12:05 the next morning.

  • Was it in the back of your mind that, "look, if I don't do that well they could just...

  • just pop Leno back in?"

  • I'm a paranoid person and I think I'm the kind of

  • person that can come up with lots of negative scenarios but I remember

  • thinking that seemed like a...that was a stretch even for me.

  • What followed were some unpleasant discussions with NBC's West Coast brass.

  • It just felt like tthe tone went very quickly from

  • "take your time we understand this is a tough decision"

  • To (hits his chair and snaps fingers)

  • you know "Let's go".

  • You know and that probably helped me a little bit feel

  • like "you know what, this environment doesn't feel right, and I've been with these

  • people a long time and I don't like... I really don't like the way this is going."

  • And when it started to get toxic, and I started to feel that I'm not sure these

  • people even really want me here let's just...let's just...I can't do it.

  • Do you think they wanted you to leave?

  • Uhhh yeah that's crossed my mind

  • I don't know how thought-out this whole thing was, but if they wanted me to leave

  • it worked.

  • This is just really really hard for him it was watching someone's heart broken.

  • Liza O'Brien, Conan's wife, was one of his main

  • confidants and closest advisors during the debacle

  • Did you approve of everything that he did?

  • 100% yeah.

  • You thought he should have left?

  • Absolutely.

  • What do you think of the way he was treated by NBC?

  • From my perspective it felt like they never really gave him the

  • job, that they said "we're going to give you this job in five years", and they kept

  • him with the company and they they you know he said "I won't go anywhere else

  • and I'll keep working for you and I'm in it for the long haul" and it felt like

  • they they lost their nerve to really make a change and that was too bad

  • It was a shame because it would have been great to see what he could have done if

  • he had had their full support and had some more time.

  • You've got this

  • non-disparagement agreement...

  • Do you have a copy because I haven't read it in a while

  • I keep one in my wallet (laughs)

  • It'd be funny

  • anytime people come up to me

  • "hey so what's the deal with uh with Jay Leno" hold on a second

  • He's a fine and good man...There we go put that away.

  • Can I assume that this interview

  • would take a different tenor if that agreement did not exist?

  • No it I don't think it would. The biggest thing people come up and say to me

  • in gas stations and restaurants

  • I have so many people say this to me

  • "Hey partner you got screwed" I don't and I always tell them no I didn't, I didn't

  • get screwed. I'm fine, it just it didn't work out.

  • Oh you did get screwed

  • You think I got screwed?

  • Well I think most people think you got screwed,

  • I mean Jay Leno thinks you got screwed, Jay Leno thinks he got screwed

  • 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,240 How did he get screwed? (laughs)

  • Explain that part to me...I'm sorry

  • Jay's got The Tonight Show, I have a beard,

  • and an inflatable bat and I'm touring city to city. Who can say who can say who won and who lost?

  • I'm laughing because crying would be sad.

  • Has Jay reached out to you?

  • No

  • No calls?

  • No I do not

  • I do not think I will be hearing from him.

  • We should get him in here

  • Is he gonna be a surprise walk-on?

  • No no no Okay

  • But we can call if you know his number or we and I'm sure he'd come over.

  • He may have caller ID he won't pick up

  • I think Leno would say "look I was riding

  • high I was number one and I was still number one when I left and Conan made

  • this deal with NBC and NBC said okay Jay we're gonna take you off the air in five

  • years regardless of whether you're number one or number two or what"

  • I think he felt like he was forced out by NBC at a time when he was a strong

  • number one and was pushed out the door

  • mm-hmm mm-hmm

  • That's his argument.

  • It's hard for me to get inside his head and argue his side

  • of this whole thing.

  • I was...here's what I can say; I'm happy with my decision

  • I sleep well at night

  • and I you know...

  • hope he's happy with his decision.

  • Do you think that Jay lobbied for this?

  • I don't know but...

  • what I know is what happened

  • which is that he went and took that show back

  • Do you believe he acted honorably during all of this?

  • (groans)

  • I don't...I don't think I can answer that

  • I don't think...

  • I can just tell you maybe

  • how I would have handled it, and I would do it differently.

  • You wouldn't have come back on the "Tonight Show"? If I had surrendered The Tonight Show and handed

  • it over to somebody publicly and wish them well

  • and then I don't would not

  • have come back six months later...but that's me you know.

  • Everyone's got their own you know way of doing things.

  • What would you have done?

  • Done something else go someplace else I mean that's just me...

  • He is equally disappointed with NBC the company where he worked most of his adult life and

  • with NBC Universal Chief Jeff Zucker who he has known since they were classmates at Harvard.

  • Has Zucker called you?

  • No.

  • You haven't talked to Zucker since this

  • offer was made to you?

  • That's right.

  • You know at some point I'm sure I'm gonna

  • bump into these people...

  • and you know I'm not sure we're going to be have our arms

  • around each other and drinking beer and singing old Irish fight songs

  • because I don't think they know any

  • You know I...I wish, this is gonna sound crazy, I do wish these people well.

  • Jeff Zucker was quoted as saying

  • "At the end of the day, the viewers voted,

  • and they didn't like Conan as the host of "The Tonight Show".

  • ...Can I take back what I just said?

  • You take issue with that?

  • In my opinion, I don't think that's fair nor accurate, but he's entitled to his opinion

  • I think for anyone to say that the results were in after six months

  • that doesn't ring true to me.

  • Oh they said that the for the first time in

  • history that "The Tonight Show" was losing money

  • I don't see how that's...I honestly

  • don't see how that's possible. it's really not possible. It isn't possible.

  • Did you expect NBC to give you more of a chance?

  • Absolutely...I...yes

  • Do you feel like it was a failure?

  • My Tonight Show? No. Absolutely not.

  • Conan does agree with NBC's comments that it was a business decision motivated by money,

  • and he acknowledges that Leno had the more expensive contract and would have been even harder to let go.

  • Some people have reported that that NBC would have had to

  • pay him 150 million dollars?

  • mm-hmm yeah So if you look at it that way and you're

  • working at...let's say...I don't know you're working for General Electric and you

  • tell them you know "there's 'this' to make that guy go away or there's 'this'....

  • That decision is probably pretty clear and I think in my gut I honestly believe

  • ...everybody knows, that's what happened, they did what they had to do,

  • and ok I get it and the only thing I take exception to

  • is subsequently people saying "Well you know Conan was losing money and you know

  • actually he was murdering cats" What? Whatever.

  • Last month Conan finally pulled the trigger on his future raising some

  • eyebrows by signing on to do an 11 o'clock show for the cable channel TBS

  • and not with a broadcast network

  • Oh I do not look down my nose at cable and I

  • think anyone who does isn't paying attention to television these days.

  • Because it is...this world is changing very quickly.

  • You got 30 million dollars that you didn't have before you've got a very

  • lucrative new gig on TBS which has a...an audience

  • that...

  • Very young audience.

  • ...custom-made for you...it wasn't all bad?

  • That's the point I

  • keep making. It's crucial to me that anyone seeing this take they take

  • anything away from this it's

  • I'm fine, I'm doing great, I hope people still find

  • me comedically absurd and ridiculous and I and I don't regret anything.

  • I and I don't regret anything. I do believe...

  • ...and this might be my Catholic upbringing or Irish magical thinking but

  • I think things happen for a reason. I really do

  • I thought the Lutherans believed that?

  • Oh my god...it is Lutherans. Okay

  • I believe that if I experience any joy in life, I'll go to hell

  • That's what I believe.

  • 00:14:44,940 --> 00:14:47,260 But you get my point

  • "They threw me out"

  • "It happened fast"

  • "They said please don't let the door

  • "...hit your freckled Irish ASS."

  • "I hung around the house eating frosting from a jar"

  • "I got really into "Gossip Girl"

  • and sleeping in my car!"

  • "Yes I'll survive!" "Yes I'll survive!"

  • They kinda tried to kill me, but I made it out alive!"

  • "I've got all my life to live, I'VE GOT SO MANY SHOWS TO GIVE"

  • I'll survive! I will survive!

  • I WILL SUUURRRRVVVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVVVVVEEEEEE! :)

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