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  • Shawn, most people don't have the ability to change things

  • although they think they have. You can hire a man

  • for so much money, he's out to repair your roof

  • or it might leak, depending

  • his competence. So we don't have

  • chance takers so to speak

  • we don't take chances, we have technical

  • competence. That means the ability

  • to deal with the problems your assigned.

  • But its not technical elitism

  • its not technical elitism

  • Jacque: No its not technical elitism

  • They're assigned duties if you come into the

  • Venus Project, they say, "What is your training?"

  • say interior design, that means designing a house

  • with the easy access with safety devices

  • thats what you'd be doing, designing a house

  • so there's no fires no short circuits

  • and the kids can't stick a screwdriver in an electrical circuit

  • if they did nothing would happen. In other words,

  • you would be into what children are apt to do without training

  • without sufficient training. So you try to block the occurrence from

  • happening

  • you don't try to treat it after it happens. Today we make laws

  • after a man kills somebody, we make a law

  • Thou shalt not kill. We don't do it before

  • Shawn: Right, we are reactive instead of proactive.

  • Yes, exactly. Is it perfect? No,

  • just a lot better than the present-day system

  • and as time goes on it'll become shorter

  • better and and improve communication

  • in each discipline, there is no ideal

  • discipline as you can train a person in. say, "That's it!"

  • forever. It isn't, it undergoes

  • change as innovation comes in.

  • Alright, and, move on to the next question. This one is:

  • what are the conditions required to perform experiments in the first city

  • to prove or refute

  • whether whether the theory works or not?

  • The first city would take students that have studied The Venus Project

  • That have been trained in how to react

  • in relation to accomplishing a given task

  • and if they are trained appropriately, they do the task appropriately

  • if they're not, they don't even get to that position

  • the first city itself... is to test the validity

  • of The Venus Project's proposals. We also see it as a research center.

  • a large research center to develop

  • the next city, more efficiently.

  • test out some more construction techniques, more manufacturing techniques more

  • or who to call if you don't know the answer you know who to call

  • and I imagine the place having a massive amount of tours

  • and showing people in and out of the city maybe even

  • staying for a period of time to take classes and be orientated

  • When you get a subway train today its operated there's a machine operator

  • a conductor but they're being done away with

  • machines are taking the place the train operator

  • especially on airports today, there's nobody

  • that operates the transportation system, it's automated.

  • But before the train stops, it tells you

  • at Station 2d we have music

  • restaurants, etc. Your informed

  • before you get out of the train or the plane.

  • And I never see anybody protesting that. I never see people protesting stoplights, or stop signs.

  • These are all things that existed prior to them

  • they can make recommendations, and it goes to the recommendation center.

  • And they can respond with a person making the recommendations.

  • They ask further questions. Right And you want to eventually eliminate

  • stop signs and the stop lights, and just have transportation that's efficient.

  • There's nobody accusing

  • the local board of people that, of engineers that put up the plumbing throughout the city

  • or the electrical systems, of technological elitism.

  • Nobody's accusing them of that. It's simply taking care of

  • the necessities of life for humans

  • and even doing it on a much larger scale. And naturally, if a competent person is ill,

  • he is replaced by another competent person.

  • We don't have a problem then,

  • if there's lots of technicians lined up for each job

  • and most people no need to work

  • they can go to centers where they learn

  • how to write, or they learn how to communicate better

  • or they teach communication, or take up any course

  • that you feel, not so much that you feel,

  • that the nation feels is needed.

  • Not the nation, the globe. Yes. The world right?

  • No nations, the global

  • interpretation is what we use. OK

  • What is needed globally.

  • And your trained in that area.

  • If you come up with a new field, we train people in that new field

  • right away, because you can't rely on

  • the others, everybody is updated

  • on what to expect.

  • That would be one of the interesting values in a Resource Based Economy is to know that

  • when you go through this education, when you do this work

  • when you do this contribution, your contributing to global society.

  • Which is...And you know where to go, to find the answers

  • you don't get into conflict with people

  • There's no debates, there's dialogue. You know the difference?

  • You talk with a person, they talk back. Debate is out to win.

  • We're not out to win. We're out to accomplish

  • a given task with a minimum expenditure energy

  • and temperament. And that is the reinforcement

  • because your standard living goes up continuously as well

  • and that you know that you're participating in that.

  • That's the reinforcement. And even with all that, you might only have to contribute

  • a couple hours a week, if any at all. Because less than ten percent of

  • the world population, maybe closer to six-percent

  • would ever need to work to sustain such a system.

  • That's the estimates, I don't know how it will work out.

  • Even if machines do all the work man is still

  • going to do creative work. He's going to

  • look at things, make a recommendations

  • but there'd be people that are specialized in how to make

  • recommendation. Gotcha.

  • I have a weird question here, maybe it's not a weird question. I'll go ahead and ask it

  • It's been asked before. What will happen to the bodies of

  • the deceased in a Resource Based Economy?

  • I would have to leave that up to the Resourced Based Economy.

  • Those people that are trained

  • in the new social development, leave their bodies to science.

  • But they wouldn't be embalmed

  • and put in the ground because even today they have embalming

  • fluid that's going in the drinking water of every city

  • because of that, those practices.

  • And yeah, the purpose of embalming fluid is to allow their skin to remain

  • for the viewing, which is also another discussion alltogether

  • whether that's relevant or not

  • Like you said, it's polluting the underwater ground system, so it's

  • polluting our food, polluting our drinking water and just

  • so we can preserve the body for a couple of days

  • for funeral procession. All the laws will be changed

  • so they become functional. But you know all those are really old

  • rituals. To look at the dead, and preserve them

  • Cultures from a long time ago have all those

  • old myths about. I wouldn't say

  • that the majority can make the switch right away.

  • Those that can't make the switch, they will be taken care of

  • and we'll keep things as they know them

  • until they have watched enough TV's and radio shows

  • in the future, to know the difference.

  • Taken care in the sense of... You can't shove people into the future

  • you can expose them to it. Those that wish to live in the new cities, will.

  • Those that can't, won't.

  • Makes sense.

  • I think it will become obvious over time.

  • Over time, not by military means

  • torture or imprisonment. There will be no prisons,

  • no police. Since people have access

  • to the necessities of life, they do not steal.

  • Keep what works, shed what does not.

  • Let the things that don't work, the inneficient

  • things fall off to the wayside. Over time.

  • I try to tell people, when we talk about this to the public.

  • There's no need to stop or prevent

  • or remove anything you don't have to use these words

  • we will just start working on relevant things, and irrelevant things will fade away.

  • They don't use the old telephone anymore

  • There may be 150 people in an airliner

  • only two operate the airliner. The navigater

  • and the pilot. 150 people do not

  • participate in the operation of that airliner.

  • So when you say, "What will people do?"

  • They sit around in an airliner, they just enjoy the view

  • But they don't have to do anything. That's not to say that they can't participate. Of course they can.

  • Well very few of them would be an airline pilot, that can walk in

  • in an emergency. In an emergency

  • if the pilot has, say a heart attack

  • the plane takes over. Otherwise we have two pilots.

  • Until we have it automated that way,

  • we will use redundancy.

  • You know they say what will people do, most people don't do today what they want to do

  • they really restricted in terms of what they can do financially.

  • Many people don't even know what they want to do, they've never been

  • given an opportunity even think about it.

  • They're told or directed into certain areas of their life.

  • Oh my god. So what you're saying, in this culture, you don't even dare to dream cause of pain.

  • That's right, they say you live in quiet desperation even when you are interested in something when

  • you're younger you shoved

  • out of that to do something that makes a living.

  • Most people are convinced by

  • the new television systems of the profession

  • their studying. In other words, their professions

  • that they study will be what's needed at the time.

  • You don't become a plumber in the future,

  • when plumbing becomes automated.

  • So you can't pick your field. (today) The fields that are available are listed

  • and you can pick from that list, which are hundreds of different things to do.

  • but that's up to you. If you find that working on human factors

  • being of interest to you, you can look up

  • anything you want to and pick whatever is

  • needed, we don't train people in professions that are not needed.

  • Like sales people. You can get specifications

  • of a product. The durability

  • whatever you want to know is available, but you don't need a salesman.

  • How much mental capacity on Earth today is wasted?

  • In irrelevant professions

  • or never even come into fruition because of no education or... for many reasons

  • Well if you took a person from this culture

  • and put them in the future, they'd say,

  • "I don't understand this, I don't understand it at all!" And that's true.

  • Like I say, if you took your grandmother to Miami Beach

  • and she saw the girls walking around in bikinis, she might say, "They've gone to far!"

  • Because of her background.

  • But you understand it's her background, not that she's stupid.

  • Her background. Now most of those backgrounds will be eliminated

  • in the future by education out of it.

  • And that's what the trends show already, the trends are already showing these things.

  • If you can't make the adjustment, other nations

  • will pass you by. But they are still teaching

  • so many professions that are... obsolete...

  • pushing money around sales people insurance people advertising

  • bankers lawyers so many things that people learn

  • they just take advantage one another

  • they don't really contribute very much, they're parasites in this system

  • I just had visual when I was in the military,

  • we use to have to sweep dust in the parking lots all the time

  • just ridiculous, one of our things. All I was doing was pushing dirt from one place to another.

  • The Earth is covered in dirt, so what am I doing?

  • So I liken that to... sorry Jacque

  • I liken that to the money people, they are just pushing it in different areas.

  • Shawn, instead of a Pentagon, you have

  • a lot of people trained in bridging the difference between nations

  • the Pentagon would serve as an organization

  • as an intermediate organization

  • to bridge the different between cultures.

  • There's hundreds of thousands, if not millions of soldiers on the planet,

  • if they were retrained into being scientists, engineers, mathemeticians

  • all these things, medical people, a how much

  • would all of our standards of living be higher, just by that alone?

  • You get people who get their kicks out of

  • helping one another in learning things and doing something constructive.

  • Instead of getting their kicks out of beating somebody. Oh I thought...

  • Shawn, do you feel there is any question I didn't answer?

  • No no, I was just trying to answer some questions from the community

  • and trying to get you to respond to their questions.

  • I think they value that a lot from you, and it is nice of you to do that

  • and to come on the show obviously. Anything else?

  • I have one more thing it's probably more

  • for Joel and Roxanne and it has to do with their documentary

  • updates on that and how's it going? You guys raised the money

  • for it... "What documentary?"

  • Joel's entire life right now right?

  • All day every day working on that thing, also you right?

  • On top of all The Venus Project management and that type of stuff. Well we both do all that management, we split that job too

  • because it is just too much for two people. Well you often have like ten jobs at the same time, it's really, it's amazing.