Name: TED】アフラ・レイモンド腐敗についての3つの神話（アフラ・レイモンド：腐敗についての3つの神話 (【TED】Afra Raymond: Three myths about corruption (Afra Raymond: Three myths about corruption))
Uploaded: 2021-01-14T07:29:02.000Z
Duration: 18 min 11 s

Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Morton Bast

翻訳: Maki Sugimoto 校正: Yuko Shirakawa

地位を悪用すること と定義されますが

for the benefit of yourself -- or, in the case of our context,

your friends, your family or your financiers.

友人や家族 そして 支援者にまで及びます

いいですか？ 友人 家族 支援者たち （拍手）

But we need to understand what we understand about corruption,

しかし私達は汚職について もっと正しく理解し

we have been miseducated about it, and we have to admit that.

We have to have the courage to admit that

自らの間違いを認める 勇気を持ち

汚職との闘い方を 考え直すべきです

The first thing is that the big myth, number one,

まず汚職に対して 大きな神話があります

第１に 「汚職は実は犯罪ではない」 というものです

When we get together with friends and family

知り合いや家族と一緒にいる時

crime in Belmont or crime in Diego or crime in Marabella,

近所で起こった犯罪など 大事件の話はしますが

When the Commissioner of Police comes on TV to talk about crime,

警視総監はテレビで 犯罪の話はしても

And we know for sure when the Minister of National Security

ましてや 国防大臣でも 犯罪には言及しても

is speaking about crime, he's not talking about corruption either.

The point I'm making is that it is a crime.

私が言いたいのは 汚職は犯罪です

It is an economic crime, because we're involving the looting of taxpayers' money.

納税者の税金を 横領する経済犯罪です

Public and private corruption is a reality.

行政や民間での汚職は もはや現実です

As somebody who comes from the private sector,

民間企業出身者として 言えるのですが

I can tell you there's a massive amount of corruption

in the private sector that has nothing to do with government.

膨大な汚職があると 断言できます

The same bribes and backhanders and things that take place under the table,

お金をこっそり渡したり する賄賂なんて

it all takes place in the private sector.

Today, I'm focusing on public sector corruption,

今日は 民間企業も介入する 公共機関の汚職に

which the private sector also participates in.

The second important myth to understand --

第2の神話は 重要で 大きな誤解なのですが

dismantle them and destroy them and ridicule them --

汚職について 正しい 認識を持つべきで

that in fact corruption is only a small problem --

if it is a problem, it's only a small problem,

that in fact it's only a little 10 or 15 percent,

it's been going on forever, it probably will continue forever,

汚職は昔からずっと 永遠に続くから

and there's no point passing any laws, because there's little we can do about it.

規制する法律は作っても無駄だ 何もできるわけないと

And I want to demonstrate that that, too,

We're coming out today from Trinidad and Tobago,

本日お集まりのここ トリニダード・トバゴは

a resource-rich, small Caribbean country,

and in the early 1970s we had a massive increase in the country's wealth,

1970年代始めに世界中の 石油価格が高騰した時

and that increase was caused by the increase in world oil prices.

We call them petrodollars. The treasury was bursting with money.

オイルマネーと呼ばれ 中央銀行はお金で溢れました

we're standing today in the Central Bank.

私達は今 その中央銀行にいます

そう 歴史には皮肉が 沢山あります

We're standing today in the Central Bank,

and the Central Bank is responsible for a lot of the things I'm going to be speaking about.

中央銀行が大きく 関与しているのですが

Okay? We're talking about irresponsibility in public office.

We're speaking about the fact that across the terrace,

the next tower is the Ministry of Finance,

and there's a lot of connection with us today,

so we're speaking within your temple today. Okay?

つまり敵地でのスピーチ ということです

The first thing I want to talk about is that

when all of this money flowed into our country about 40 years ago,

40年前にオイルマネーが 流れ込んできた時

we embarked, the government of the day embarked

当時の政府は 経済成長を 加速するために

on a series of government-to-government arrangements

And some of the largest projects in the country

国内でもいくつかの 最大級のプロジェクトが

were being constructed through government-to-government arrangements

with some of the leading countries in the world,

the United States and Britain and France and so on and so on.

政府間協定に沿って 計画されていきました

As I said, even this building we're standing in -- that's one of the ironies --

この中央銀行でさえも ―これも皮肉ですが

this building was part of that series of complexes,

そのプロジェクトの 一環で建てられ

「ツインタワー」と呼ばれています

It became so outrageous, the whole situation,

この過熱した状況に対して 危機感が持たれ

that in fact a commission of inquiry was appointed,

and it reported in 1982, 30 years ago it reported --

and immediately the government-to-government arrangements were stopped.

すぐに国家間の協定が 停止されました

The then-Prime Minister went to Parliament

to give a budget speech, and he said some things that I'll never forget.

予算演説を 私は忘れられません

They went right in here. I was a young man at the time.

まさにここでの演説は まだ当時若かった私の

And he said that, in fact — Let me see if this thing works.

彼が話したことを お見せします

two out of every three dollars of our petrodollars

無駄遣いあるいは盗まれたのでした」

So the 10 or 15 percent is pure mischief.

10-15％ が純粋な被害額だなんて 言いますが

As we say, it's a nancy-story. Forget it.

That's for little children. We are big people,

まるで子供だましです 私達は真実に目を向け

and we're trying to deal with what's happening in our society.

社会で起きている問題に 向き合おうとしています

Okay? Two thirds of the money stolen or wasted.

３分の２もの予算が消えたのです

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