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(Ray Comfort) You're an atheist?
I am definitely an atheist, yes.
(Ray Comfort) Why are you an atheist?
Why am I an atheist? Because there is no God.
Atheism assumes that you can disprove the existence of a God.
Agnostic is a more correct term, but I'm an atheist.
(Ray Comfort) Are you an atheist?
- Yeah. - I am an atheist, yeah.
- I am, yes. - I am.
(Ray Comfort) So you're not an atheist?
No, I'm not.
(Ray Comfort) So you're leaning that way because of evolution?
Yeah.
I don't believe in the, there's a guy in the sky
that lives in the sky.
- You believe in evolution? - Of course I do, yes.
(male narrator) "Live Science" says of Darwinian evolution:
"It can turn dinosaurs into birds, apes into humans
and amphibious mammals into whales."
What Darwin showed in his work on evolution
and natural selection is that we don't need to invoke
any supernatural force or power
to account for the development of life through time on earth.
The ongoing processes that are observable in today's world.
(Ray Comfort) Do you think it's a belief?
I think it's just fact.
I think more like facts.
There is too much evidence to ignore.
(Ray Comfort) Do you think it's a belief?
- No, it's science. - It's the way it happened.
It's logical.
You know, all the scientists pretty much agree with it.
It's more of a fact.
(Ray Comfort) When did you start to believe?
When I started to think for myself.
(Ray Comfort) When did you start believing?
When I took my first biology class.
It all started to make a lot of sense.
The teacher made it very easy to understand.
I generally trust the scientific community.
It makes more sense than any religion or anything.
The fossils they have found of all the cavemen,
the Homo sapiens, dinosaurs-- it shows clear evidence.
I believe in science.
(Ray Comfort) What's your major here at this university?
Biology.
- You're a biology major? - Yeah.
- You believe in evolution? - Yes.
- What's your major? - Geology.
- Chemistry. - Biochemistry.
Environmental science and policy.
I'm a physicist.
Biochemistry.
(Ray Comfort) Okay, do you believe in evolution?
Yes, I do.
- Do you believe in evolution? - Yes, I do.
- Of course. - Yes, I do.
I do believe in evolution.
- You believe in evolution? - Yes.
- Are you a strong believer? - Yes.
- Are you a strong believer? - Yep.
- Yes. - Yes.
Absolutely.
(narrator) A Scientific method is based on "the collection
of data through observation and experimentation." -Science Daily
(Ray Comfort) Could you give me some observable evidence
that evolution is true?
Something I don't have to receive by faith?
- Yeah. - Some observable evidence?
I mean, take a look at what happened 65 million years ago.
(Ray Comfort) Hang on, I can't, that's 65 million years ago.
I believe, yeah, millions of years.
(Ray Comfort) So that can't be observed.
We can trace the evolution through the fossil record.
(Ray Comfort) Could you be specific, just give me one?
Between 6 and 7 million years ago.
Hundreds of thousands to millions of years.
- So it's quite a long time. - Yes.
- Millions of years? - Yes.
(Ray Comfort) So it can't be observed?
Evolution is not testable over time.
(narrator) "We are condemned to live only for a few decades
and that's too slow, too small a time scale
to see evolution going on," Richard Dawkins.
"We see nothing of these slow changes in progress,
until the hand of time has marked the lapse of ages..."
Charles Darwin.
(Ray Comfort) You've got the canine kind: the coyote and the domestic dog;
and there's the feline kind: which is the cats,
the tiger, and the kitten; and you've got humankind.
So Darwin said there'd be a change of kinds
over many years,
so could you give me one example of observable evidence
of a change of kinds?
So for instance, the fossil record shows
the common ancestors of all carnivores,
that cats and dogs were once linked,
united by a common ancestor.
(Ray Comfort) How long ago?
This, I believe, was, like, 60 million years ago.
(Ray Comfort) I don't want something that I have to accept by faith.
I want it to be observable.
Observable evidence.
Well, I mean, if you're just asking me here on the street,
there's really not much I can tell you
in terms of observable evidence.
Like, we would have to really examine existing data
to draw conclusions of our own.
(Ray Comfort) We would have to have faith, then?
We would have to have some amount of faith.
(Ray Comfort) Can you think of any observable evidence
for Darwinian evolution,
where he said there'd be a change of kind?
(male) Like a monkey to a man, is that what you're talking about?
(Ray Comfort) Yeah, a change of kinds.
I don't really believe there's any proof for that yet.
Well, monkeys are the only ones
with the fifth digit like we have.
(Ray Comfort) Koalas have a fifth digit. Did you know that?
(female) I didn't know that.
(Ray Comfort) Do you think we're evolved from koalas?
No.
I went to, like, Washington, D.C.
I saw they had a whole exhibit just on the--
- In the Smithsonian? - Yeah, in the Smithsonian.
(Ray Comfort) I went to that. It's just like some stuffed dummies,
like standing around a fire.
I know that everyone talks about the missing link
for humans and whatnot.
I believe that there are connections that are out there
that we haven't found yet.
I'm going to trust what those experts did,
those experts came up with.
I have a strong trust in evolutionary ideas
based on the evidence presented.
(Ray Comfort) Can you think of any observable evidence
for Darwinian evolution, a change of kinds?
I haven't seen it myself,
but I believe what the textbooks tell me about it, so.
(Ray Comfort) You've got faith in the experts?
I have faith in the experts, yeah.
I guess similar to how religious people have faith
that God actually exists, I have faith in the experts
knowing what they're talking about.
(Ray Comfort) The scientific method is it must be observable and repeatable,
so could you give me one piece of observable evidence
for Darwinian evolution?
Okay, I would point to-- there's one great example
is look at the genetics of the stickleback.
(Ray Comfort) What's that?
So stickleback fish are a very interesting collection
of species that were recently isolated
after the end of the Ice Age.
(Ray Comfort) What have they become?
They're various species of sticklebacks.
(Ray Comfort) They stayed as fish?
Well, of course.
(Ray Comfort) Can you think of any observable evidence
where there was a change of kinds?
Fish.
Human beings are still fish.
(Ray Comfort) Human beings are fish?
Why, yes, of course they are.
(Ray Comfort) How long did that take?
Couple billions of years, millions.
- Couple millions? - Yep.
- How is that observable? - It's not.
We came out of the ground as a mammal,
and one mammal created--
(Ray Comfort) Come out of the ground?
Didn't we come out of the sea?
Huh? Well, initially in the beginning,
we came out of the ground and the sea.
After the great destruction of the--
(Ray Comfort) So did we have lungs or gills when we came out of the sea?
You want to know something?
Those that were in the sea I guess had gills,
and those that were on land had lungs.
(Ray Comfort) But if we came out of the sea, we had gills in the sea?
You want to know something?
Who knows that we came out of the sea or we came out of--
we evolved from mammals?
- So you don't know? - Huh? Of course I don't know.
I'm accepting that they did their science correctly.
(Ray Comfort) Could you give me an example of Darwinian evolution,
not adaptation or speciation, but a change of kinds?
[laughing]
These are changes of kinds.
(Ray Comfort) They're still fish.
They're distinctly different fish.
We have thousands of examples.
(Ray Comfort) Can you give me one?
- I can give you thousands. - Just one.
For instance,
I would say look at Lenski's experiments in bacteria, then.
(Ray Comfort) So what have the bacteria become?
The bacteria are still bacteria, of course.
(Ray Comfort) So that's not Darwinian evolution.
That's not a change of kinds, is it?
It is a change in the genetic makeup of the bacteria.
(Ray Comfort) But they're still bacteria.
So what have the bacteria become?
A new kind of bacteria.
(Ray Comfort) It's still bacteria. There's no change of kinds.
To summarize, the observable evidence that you give me
for Darwinian evolution is bacteria becoming bacteria.
No, it is bacteria acquiring new metabolic capabilities.
(Ray Comfort) You said before that there was lots of evidence for evolution.
I just want one observable evidence
for Darwinian evolution. Just one.
But I gave you some. You don't want--
(Ray Comfort) Not some. I want one.
Wait, you don't want that.
(Ray Comfort) I want one. Yes, I do.
I'm pleading with people.
You asked me to tell you-- you asked me to tell you
when I've watched one species evolve into another.
Isn't that right?
(Ray Comfort) No, one kind into another.
There's 14 different definitions of species,
so I want a change of kind.
When you're talking about kinds or change in families,
you're actually talking about macroevolution.
You're talking about changes on the level that separates,
say, cats from dogs.
(Ray Comfort) So could you give me any examples of Darwinian evolution?
Well, when you say examples of that,
then you have to sort of look at it over a longer time frame.
It has nothing to do with faith.
Faith is something that I have to--unseen,
I have to believe it.
(Ray Comfort) That's it, unseen.
Look, do you believe evolution?
Of course I do.
(Ray Comfort) Are you a believer in evolution?
Yes, I am.
(Ray Comfort) When did you start to believe evolution?
I started to believe evolution
when I started to think for myself.
(Ray Comfort) Is evolution a belief?
Evolu-- well, you know something?
Evolution is a thought process.
It's this coming-to-terms
and checking out all the alternatives.
Like, taking a looking at the religion, man-made religions.
(Ray Comfort) Let me ask you again. Is evolution a belief?
No, evolution is-- well, yeah.
In a word, yeah, I could say it could be a belief.
When you say change of kinds,
do you mean the evolution of one species
from another or to another?
Yes, we have that in action, actually, in the Galapagos.
(Ray Comfort) Could you give me one instance?
Yes, we have an example from a group of birds
called Darwin's finches.
You take a look at the difference between
the finches on the islands that all started out,
I mean, that's very, very observable.
(Ray Comfort) But that's not Darwinian evolution.
There's been no change of kinds.
What have the finches become?
They become genetically new and anatomically new,
recognizably different species.
(Ray Comfort) So they're still finches?
Well, of course they're still finches, yes.
(Ray Comfort) So there's no change of kind.
Little birds that he had observed that--
(Ray Comfort) What did they become?
Their beaks, their beak shapes, they're--
- They're still birds. - Yes.
Three finches that turn
into different types of birds, based on--
(Ray Comfort) They're still finches.
Well, for example,
Darwin and his study on evolution
of the birds on the island that he went onto there.
- Their beaks changed? - Their beaks--
(Ray Comfort) But they're still birds. There's no change of kinds.
That's within the kind.
No, no, no, it's just evolution on the beaks.
(Ray Comfort) So that's called adaptation.
That's not Darwinian evolution.
There's no change of kinds.
There's no different animal involved.
I want something that shows me
Darwin's belief in the change of kinds is scientific.
Darwin spoke of a change of kind.
Can you think of any observable evidence
for Darwinian evolution where there's a change of kind?
Change of kind, change of kind...
I'm going to have to think about that one a little longer.
(Ray Comfort) Can you give me anything that I can see, observe, and test,
which is the scientific method, for Darwinian evolution,
a change of kinds?
Test and observe...
(Ray Comfort) Could you give me observable evidence,
which is the scientific method, for Darwinian evolution,
a change of kinds?
Okay, I got to think about it.
So you want the evidence of it?
I would say...
[sighing]
I cannot, I think.
It's a hard question, actually.
So, can you repeat the question again?
(Ray Comfort) Could you give me any observable evidence, just one,
for Darwinian evolution?
Let me think about that for a sec.
(Ray Comfort) Observable evidence,
something where we don't have to exercise faith?
Something that can be observed,
like the scientific process, observable?
That's a good question. That one I'm not quite sure.
(Ray Comfort) So you can't think of any
observable evidence for evolution?
- No. - How do you know it's true?
I'm not sure.
(Ray Comfort) So Darwinian evolution is not observable?
It's not scientific?
I guess so.
(Ray Comfort) So it's unscientific. You can't prove it.
It is scientific actually. You could prove it.
It could be proven, just--
(Ray Comfort) Do it for me.
Ah, that's hard.
I don't-- that's just too broad of a--
(Ray Comfort) It's unobservable, that's why.
You need millions of years.
Yes, exactly.
(Ray Comfort) You're trusting the biology majors
and the biology professors
know what they're talking about,
and they can't even give me evidence of a change of kinds.
Well, then, there isn't one.
If they don't give it, then I wouldn't say there was.
I just go on what I've seen
and what I've learned from class.
- So you believe? - Yeah.
- You know what that's called? - What?
- Blind faith. - Blind faith.
(narrator) "Faith is the great cop-out,
the great excuse to evade the need to think
and evaluate evidence," Richard Dawkins.
(Ray Comfort) Do you believe in intelligent design?
Of course not.
(Ray Comfort) Do you think everything is intelligently designed?
No, I don't believe that things are intelligently designed.
(Ray Comfort) Okay, you seem like an intelligent person,
so I'm going to ask you something.
I'd like you to make me a rose, okay?
How would you make a rose?
I don't have the capabilities to do that.
(Ray Comfort) No, hang on, now, it's not intelligently designed,
so you should be able to whip me up a rose real quick.
Do you believe a rose is intelligently designed?
Definitely not.
In order for me to know what to make,
I have to know what a rose is.
(Ray Comfort) Well, it's got a seed.
So you've got to start with nothing
and you've got to create a seed from nothing.
- Oh. - Can you do that?
No, I can't.
(Ray Comfort) Could you make a rose from nothing?
No.
Can't really make something from nothing.
It's just basic, you know, science.
- A rose from nothing? - A rose.
Just like-- I can't, honestly.
(Ray Comfort) Why not?
Me? I just have no supernatural abilities.
(Ray Comfort) All the geniuses in the world
can't make a grain of sand from nothing.
We don't know where to start.
- I can't. - Why not?
I don't have millions, billions of years.
That would be physically impossible.
I mean, I would have to-- that's not possible.
(Ray Comfort) So how could you say
everything is not intelligently designed?
Where does that leave you on the scale of intelligence
if you say everything is not intelligently designed,
and you can't even make a rose?
Why do you think there's no one teaching
intelligent design at UCLA?
(Ray Comfort) 'Cause they're not allowed to.
We can teach anything we want.
(narrator) There's a reason intelligent design isn't taught
in our learning institutions.
According to physicist Victor Stenger,
"The legal staff of Freedom From Religion Foundation
[a church-state watchdog group]
has had remarkable success in convincing many institutions
such as school boards and town councils
that they are breaking constitutional law
when they sponsor sectarian activities."
That includes intelligent design.
"When the authorities can't be convinced,
Freedom From Religion Foundation sues,
and it wins more often than not."
(Ray Comfort) There was nothing in the beginning.
Big explosion of nothing that became something,
and then it came into a rose,
and giraffes and horses and cows.
I'm not saying that that's what happened.
I'm just saying I don't know what happened.
That's what scientists have theorized has happened.
(Ray Comfort) And you believe them?
- To a point. - So you've got faith.
That is true, yeah.
(Ray Comfort) Could you give me a definition of vestigials?
How does that back up evolution?
Vestigial is--it's like--
I'm not a biologist, so I'm kind of fuzzy here,
but it's like a remaining organ that is not used.
Like for instance, our appendix.
Rabbits have a huge appendix for digestion of grass.
We still have a vestigial appendix.
(Ray Comfort) You mean the appendix has no use?
Which we can think of right now.
Your coccyx bone that was, you know,
many people regard that as the tail of the humans.
(Ray Comfort narrating) The human tailbone is said to be vestigial.
That is, it's an evolutionary leftover
proving that we're related to primates.
However, it's not a tailbone, it's the coccyx vertebrae.
"The tailbone derived its name because some people believe
it's a 'leftover' part from human evolution,
though the notion that the tailbone
serves no purpose is wrong."
"The coccyx is an extremely important source of attachment
for tendons, ligaments, and muscles..."
Evolutionists also claim that the appendix is vestigial,
but it's not.
The appendix is actually part of the human immune system.
According to Scientific American,
"For years, the appendix was credited
with very little physiological function.
We now know, however,
that the appendix serves an important role in the fetus
and in young adults.
Among adult humans,
the appendix is now thought to be involved primarily
in the immune functions."
I would consider myself an atheist, yeah.
(Ray Comfort) Can you think of any famous atheists?
I believe Neil deGrasse Tyson.
(Ray Comfort) Neil deGrasse Tyson said:
"I can't agree to the claims
by atheists
that I'm one of that community."
(Ray Comfort) Can you name a few?
Famous atheists.
Apparently not.
Start with Isaac Newton.
(narrator) Isaac Newton said,
"The most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets,
could only proceed from the counsel
and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being."
(Ray Comfort) Can you think of any famous atheists?
Yeah. No.
- A famous atheist? - Yeah, a famous atheist.
Yeah, my dad.
(Ray Comfort) He's not famous.
[laughing]
(Ray Comfort narrating) Skeptics' websites often include examples
of famous atheists in an attempt to win converts.
But more often than not, the famous personalities cited
are not actually atheists.
This is a popular atheist poster on which are Ernest Hemingway,
Abraham Lincoln, Carl Sagan, Mark Twain, Thomas Jefferson,
Benjamin Franklin, Albert Einstein,
and Charles Darwin, along with the words:
"Atheism, good enough for these idiots."
Clearly, atheism is for intellectuals.
But one moment.
Abraham Lincoln wasn't an atheist.
He said, "I know that the Lord
is always on the side of the right.
But it's my constant anxiety and prayer that I and this nation
should be on the Lord's side."
Neither was Carl Sagan.
He clearly stated, "I am an agnostic."
Mark Twain hated religion, but he certainly wasn't an atheist,
saying, "None of us can be as great as God,
but any of us can be as good."
Benjamin Franklin said,
"God governs in the affairs of men."
You'll find Thomas Edison listed on Celebrity Atheists,
on Positive Atheism,
and other atheist websites, but he wasn't an atheist.
He said, "There is a great directing head of people
and things--
a Supreme Being who looks after the destinies
of the world."
Thomas Jefferson said, "Say nothing of my religion.
It is known to myself and my God alone."
Albert Einstein rejected the Bible as the Word of God,
and said that the Creator was unknowable,
and that God being personal was childlike.
He lamented, "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I,
with my limited human understanding,
am able to recognize,
there are yet people who say there is no God.
But what really makes me angry is that they quote me
to support such views."
He categorically said, "I am not an atheist,"
and when referring to those who deny the Creator,
he used the term "fanatical atheists."
Charles Darwin said, "I have never been an atheist."
So out of the eight famous men on the poster,
there is only one who was an atheist: Ernest Hemingway.
According to his biographer, back in 1961, Hemingway, quote,
"pushed two shells into the twelve-gauge Boss shotgun,
put the end of the barrel into his mouth,
pulled the trigger and blew out his brains."
There's your poster boy when it comes to atheism.
Keep in mind that even though some of these men
claim to believe in God,
it doesn't necessarily mean that they're believers
in the one true Creator revealed in the Scriptures,
or that they're genuine Christians.
However, when atheists use theists or agnostics
to promote their godless agenda,
they're being dishonest.
Then again, coming from those who claim
that morality is relative to each person,
convenient dishonesty should not be a surprise.
(Ray Comfort) Do you believe in moral absolutes?
No, I do not.
(Ray Comfort) Is rape wrong?
Rape is wrong in our culture, yes.
(Ray Comfort) Is rape always wrong?
It depends on your beginnings.
If you say that you have a respect for other human beings,
then yes, rape is always wrong.
(Ray Comfort) So there are moral absolutes?
Is rape absolutely wrong?
In my opinion, it is.
(Ray Comfort) So who makes the rules?
We do.
(Ray Comfort) So if Hitler made the rules and he had the majority?
If Hitler made the rules, yes,
we would be living in a society
that Hitler would consider moral,
but which I would not consider moral.
(Ray Comfort) Did Hitler put into practice survival of the fittest?
- No. - What was he doing, then?
He was murdering people.
(Ray Comfort) But that's survival of the fittest.
No, that's not survival of the fittest.
(Ray Comfort) It is, it's the lion eating the antelope.
No, there's much more to evolution
than just this kind of crude "kill and be killed" model
that you have in your head.
(Ray Comfort) But I have seen a quote from Richard Dawkins saying,
"Evolution in its rawest is incredibly cruel."
It is, yes.
(Ray Comfort) That was Hitler putting evolution into practice.
That does not mean it was moral.
(Ray Comfort) It was immoral.
Nobody's claiming that evolution is a moral process.
Evolution is a very harsh and cruel process.
(Ray Comfort) Do you believe in evolution?
- Yes, I do. - Do you have a dog?
- Yes. - Love your dog?
I do love my dog.
Yes, I do. I love animals.
(Ray Comfort) Okay, well, your pet dog and your rotten neighbor
are drowning.
You can only save one of them.
Who would you save?
Hmm, that is a tough one.
I can only save one?
(Ray Comfort) Why are you hesitating?
I think I would save my dog.
I don't know why I'm really hesitating.
Because, I don't know,
I feel like people would see me as a bad person
if I said the dog.
I'll save my dog.
(Ray Comfort) So is your neighbor not worth saving?
Well, he's not worth saving more than my dog is.
I'd go with the dog.
I mean, you would want to save the animal.
So I would want to save my dog.
Well, we're animals. I believe we're all equal.
I don't think humans have like, a higher, like, place.
(Ray Comfort) So you think dogs are more valuable than human beings?
Do you believe in evolution?
Yes, I do.
(Ray Comfort) So it's just a matter of survival of the fittest.
Your neighbor's a primate, and you've got a canine,
and you like the canine more than you like the primate.
Would that be right?
Pretty much, yeah.
I mean, it's survival of the fittest, I mean--
- Survival of the fittest? - Yeah, pretty much.
(Ray Comfort) You said you believe in evolution.
So it's just a matter of survival of the fittest?
Yeah.
(Ray Comfort) If he drowns, he drowns, big deal.
Oh, well yeah, that is true.
- Are you an atheist? - Yeah.
(narrator) "Any fetus is less human than an adult pig," Richard Dawkins.
(Ray Comfort) So you don't think God exists?
More like I know.
(Ray Comfort) Are you comfortable talking about spiritual things?
I don't know much about them,
because they're not really capable of knowledge.
Once we're dead, we stop that, we stop actually living.
(Ray Comfort) How do you know?
Because it's just what the facts are.
Like, if you stopped breathing right now,
you'd be considered dead.
(Ray Comfort) Jacob, if you were a car and your motor got turned off,
that would be right, that's inanimate.
But you're a living, biological human being
with the life of God in you.
We are a mechanical being
because we have different parts that--
- Is there no life in you? - Yes, there's life in me.
(Ray Comfort) That's your soul.
Okay, can you handle some questions?
They're pretty pointed questions.
- Sure. - Are you a good person?
(Ray Comfort) Are you going to make it to heaven?
I would like to think so.
Do I think I'm a good person? Yeah.
(Ray Comfort) Are you a good person, morally?
Yes, I am.
(Ray Comfort) Do you think you're a good person?
Yes.
I like to believe so, yeah.
(Ray Comfort) How many lies have you told in your whole life?
I wouldn't be able to count.
I don't know if I could remember.
(Ray Comfort) Can you be honest with me?
Yeah.
(Ray Comfort) How many lies do you think you've told in your whole life?
Oh, quite a few.
- Countless. - Uncountable.
(Ray Comfort) What would you call me if I told lots of lies?
Countless lies, you'd call me a liar, wouldn't you?
Of course.
(Ray Comfort) What do you call someone who's told thousands of lies?
- A liar. - So what are you?
I'm a liar.
(Ray Comfort) Have you ever stolen something in your whole life,
even if it's small?
Yes, I have.
(Ray Comfort) Have you ever taken something that belonged to someone else?
- Of course. - Sure.
Yes, I have.
(Ray Comfort) That's called theft.
- So what are you? - A liar and a thief.
I'm a liar and a thief.
(Ray Comfort) Have you ever used God's name in vain?
Oh, every day.
(Ray Comfort) Have you ever used God's name in vain?
Oh, all the time.
(Ray Comfort) Have you ever used God's name in vain?
[bleep] probably so.
(Ray Comfort) Have you ever used God's name in vain?
- Yep. - I have indeed.
(Ray Comfort) That's called blasphemy.
It's very serious to use God's name as a cuss word.
I don't believe in blaspheming, since I don't believe in God.
So if you don't believe in God, how can you blaspheme?
(Ray Comfort) Well, if I don't believe in certain laws
and still violate them,
ignorance of the law is no excuse.
So we're still guilty, even though we deny a law exists
or we even don't know about it.
One to go, and I appreciate your honesty, Jacob.
Jesus said if you look at a woman and lust for her,
you commit adultery with her in your heart.
Have you ever looked at a woman with lust?
Why, yes, I look at many women with lust in my heart.
Of course.
(Ray Comfort) Have you ever looked at a guy with lust?
- With lust? - Lust.
- Oh, yeah. - Sure.
Not recently.
I have indeed.
(Ray Comfort) Are you having sex outside of marriage?
No, not yet.
(Ray Comfort) Are you looking at pornography?
Yes.
(Ray Comfort) You're lusting after women, you see.
Have you ever looked at a woman with lust?
Absolutely.
(Ray Comfort) So Peter, by your own admission, you're a lying thief,
a blasphemer, and an adulterer at heart,
and that's only four of the Ten Commandments.
What I'm saying to you is just not believing in hell
doesn't make it go away.
A judge must see that justice is done if he's a good judge,
and it's the same with God.
If we die in our sins, God will give us justice.
The Bible says no thief, no liar, no fornicator,
no blasphemer, no adulterer will inherit the kingdom of God.
So Julia, if you died in your sins and God gave you justice
because He's holy and perfect morally, you'd end up in hell,
and I'd hate that to happen to you.
Man, would you sell one of your eyes for $1 million?
- Probably not, no. - Both for $100 million?
No, I value seeing too much.
(Ray Comfort) See how precious your eyes are to you,
how much more precious is your life, and you're saying,
"I don't care if I get damned from all that which is good"?
Of course you care. You've got a will to live.
Now, let me tell you something you know intuitively.
You know that creation is proof of the Creator.
God's given you that light.
We don't have proof of the Creator.
- Yes, we do. - We don't, actually.
(Ray Comfort) I have in inside story.
I have a whistleblower
and it tells me that you know God exists,
and the reason you choose evolution
is because it gets rid of moral accountability.
It does not get rid of moral accountability.
(Ray Comfort) It does, it means your primal instincts,
lust and pornography,
and fornication, adultery, are all just primal instincts.
That's all. You're just an animal.
The Bible demands moral accountability
and says those things are wrong,
and that's why it's not acceptable to you.
That's why you're not seeking after truth.
Am I wrong?
Let's see.
- Am I wrong? - I think you're wrong.
(Ray Comfort) I say that you know intuitively that creation
is proof of the Creator.
God has given you that inner light,
so when you look at the genius of God's creative hand,
you know He exists because of creation.
You are a unique human being, made in the image of God
with a sense of justice and truth and righteousness.
God gave you a conscience. It's inherent.
It's shaped by society, but it's inherent.
You know right from wrong.
You've violated His law,
and I don't want you to end up in hell.
James, if you put your finger on it, and see if we can,
your struggle at the moment is because of your love of sin,
because of the pleasure that sin gives you,
and you don't want to give it up.
You're like a man with a money belt filled with gold
who's just fallen into the ocean.
I'm saying if you don't get rid of that belt
that weighs 80 pounds, it's going to take you under.
Doesn't matter how much pleasure it gives you,
it's not worth losing your life for.
Gail, you're not a beast.
You're a human being, created by God in His image
with dignity and worth and purpose.
Do you know what God did for guilty sinners
so we wouldn't have to go to hell? Any idea?
- Uh-uh. - No.
(Ray Comfort) Well, God became a human being 2,000 years ago,
Jesus of Nazareth,
and He suffered and died on a cross,
taking the punishment for the sin of the world.
You and I violated God's law and Jesus paid our fine.
That means God can legally dismiss our case
because of the suffering, death, and resurrection of the Savior.
God can say, "You're out of here"
because someone paid your fine.
And then what God can now do
is clothe us in the righteousness of Christ,
so on Judgment Day, you're safe from God's wrath
and His justice
because of the death and resurrection of the Savior.
If you repent and trust in Him,
God will give you a righteous standing in His eyes.
He'll wash away your sins in an instant,
and He'll grant you the gift of everlasting life.
His last words on the cross were, "It is finished."
In other words, the debt has been paid.
He came to take our punishment upon Himself.
So because our fine was paid by another,
God can legally dismiss your case.
It's very hard to believe that someone would be willing
to pay off the debt that's not His own.
(Ray Comfort) The Bible says God is love, you know,
and He's kind and generous and merciful,
and in His great kindness He became a human being
and suffered for us.
- Does that make sense? - That makes sense, yeah.
- How old are you? - I'm 22.
(Ray Comfort) When are you going to die?
I have no idea.
(Ray Comfort) Well, God knows exactly the moment of your death,
and it could be tonight, it could be tomorrow.
I'm not using scare tactics. This is just straight reality.
150,000 people every 24 hours die,
and they were all making plans for next week, no doubt.
So please think about this.
Do you have a Bible at home?
No.
(Ray Comfort) I'm not talking about a religion
that says you've got to strive to get to heaven.
I'm telling you the Bible says heaven is a free gift of God.
You cannot earn everlasting life.
Doesn't matter how religious you are, how good you are.
"God commended His love toward us,
in that while we were yet sinners,
Christ died for us,"
and then He rose from the dead and defeated death.
This is how the Bible puts it:
"For by grace are you saved through faith
and that not of yourselves,
it's the gift of God, not of works,
lest any man boast."
So eternal life is a free gift of God,
and it comes because of God's mercy,
not because of anything we do. Make sense?
Yeah, makes sense.
(Ray Comfort) Do you have a Bible at home?
Yes.
(Ray Comfort) I've been reading the Bible
every day for more than 40 years.
There's no mistakes in it, Mike.
Any mistakes that we think are in it are our mistakes,
and you can trust God's Word.
I mean, think of how you trust professors and science books
that tell you you're a primate?
You trust and believe that.
So how much more should you trust a God who cannot lie?
Let me show you how fallible we are.
Spell the word "shop."
- Shop? - Shop.
S-H-O-P.
(Ray Comfort) What do you do when you come to a green light?
- Stop. - Green light.
Oh.
(Ray Comfort) See, we're all fallible. We make mistakes.
So imagine if you're making a mistake
when you say this whole of creation came together
because some explosion of nothing
that produced everything: seasons, the birds,
the trees, the flowers, the sun, the moon, the stars,
and the marvels of the human body?
Are you going to think about this?
Oh, yeah, no, I think about this quite a lot, believe me.
My brother, like I said, he's a hardcore Christian.
He's going to Yale Divinity School right now,
so he talks to me about this all the time.
(Ray Comfort) So you've got to think seriously about this.
Life is full of decisions.
Soften your heart.
Don't have so much blind faith in what science tells you
and it's left you without any knowledge
of what was in the beginning anyway.
You haven't got a clue where you come from,
you don't know what you're doing here on earth,
and you don't know what happens after you die.
Peter, could you be wrong about God's existence?
Yes. And could you be wrong about God's existence?
(Ray Comfort) No.
Well then, I think you're rather closed-minded.
(Ray Comfort) Well, if I said to you,
"Could you be wrong about your wife's existence?"
you'd say "No, I know her."
You'd say, "Don't be ridiculous.
I know her and love her,"
and I know the Lord and I love the Lord,
and He transformed my life 41 years ago,
instantly, overnight.
Forgave my sins and gave me new desires
when I had no desires or thoughts of God
for the whole 22 years before I was a Christian.
Mike, thanks for talking to me, I appreciate it.
Yeah, of course, no problem. Thank you.
(Ray Comfort) One more thing, because you're a very intelligent man.
Spell the word "shop."
Shop?
Like, S-H-O-P?
S-H-O-P.
(Ray Comfort) What do you do when you come to a green light?
- You stop. - Green light.
- Hmm? - Green light.
Oh, ha-ha, very good.
(Ray Comfort) Peter, you've been a good sport.
Thank you very much for talking to me.
I generally don't engage creationists,
because it's not good for my blood pressure.
(Ray Comfort) So are you going to think about this?
Uh-huh.
I think about it a lot, actually.
I think about death and how fragile life is,
and how just in a second it could all be over
and there'd be nothing.
(Gail E. Kennedy, PhD) You know, the problem with those
who are unable to see evolution, I think,
is they don't have imaginations.
(narrator) "Anatomical clues to human evolution from fish."
Human beings are still fish.
(narrator) "Human ears evolved from ancient fish gills."
We came out of the ground as a mammal.
(narrator) "Heavier dinosaur arms led evolution to birds."
(Ray Comfort) Do you think we're related to pigs?
Do you think we've got a common ancestor in pigs?
Yes.
(narrator) "Proof that fearsome T-Rex evolved into a chicken."
(Ray Comfort) Do you think you're a primate?
- Yes, I am. - Are you a talking primate? - I am.
(Ray Comfort) Are you a cousin of bananas?
Why, yes.