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  • Hello everybody. This is Peter Joseph.

  • July 31 2011

  • I want to take a moment to respond

  • to this 60 Minutes Brooklyn College edition news piece

  • that was put out by a student named Daniel Allen

  • under the guidance of some individuals from 60 Minutes.

  • I really enjoyed this piece, I have to be honest

  • because it really does represent the kind of expectation

  • we should have when any major media, meaning Western dominant media

  • will attempt to talk about Zeitgeist and The Zeitgeist Movement.

  • The very first thing to point out is the explicit non-separation

  • of the Zeitgeist film series from The Zeitgeist Movement itself.

  • The fun thing is that

  • the author of the work actually knows the difference but chose to take

  • the more commercial route (meaning the more mainstream avenue)

  • which utilizes sensationalism to capture its audience.

  • Let's remember that 60 Minutes, Fox News, these are entertainment venues.

  • They also have an agenda to push with a very fundamental association

  • to society: traditional culture.

  • As this piece went on, I was amazed

  • at how it contradicted itself in a certain strategy

  • so it would enable itself to take both my movie and analyze it

  • and also The Movement and analyze it

  • while unfortunately still meshing the two together

  • confusing the audience most thoroughly.

  • I also wanted to take this opportunity to quickly address

  • a lot of the common assumptions of this work

  • which I usually don't have time to address

  • because of how minor they really are in my mind.

  • But because of the issue of religion, because the issue

  • of the Jared Loughner incident and other things keep arising

  • (usually with those who have an axe to grind)

  • you can rest assured that those controversial notions

  • will be hit against us in the mainstream

  • if they ever chose to pay attention to us.

  • I'm going to take this opportunity to also quickly address

  • those issues as well. Lets begin.

  • Zeitgeist: It's a word you may have heard before.

  • Its origins are German, and if you've ever used it in a sentence

  • you know it refers to the spirit of the age.

  • What you may not know is that it's also the name

  • of a worldwide social movement spawned from a trilogy

  • of documentary films released on the Internet.

  • The goal of the movement is to live in a world without money

  • and to use technology to provide for basic human needs.

  • While their membership is explicitly non-violent

  • some of their ideas in their movies might make you uncomfortable.

  • (Joseph) The initial introduction was perfectly acceptable overall

  • but then he immediately jumps into the fallacy of my film association

  • to 'their' movies, meaning that these films represent The Zeitgeist Movement

  • not acknowledging that the two films of the current three

  • existed before The Movement was ever in operation.

  • One claims that Jesus never really existed

  • and that 9/11 was an inside job.

  • While they admit they don't have all the answers

  • they're always trying to spread the word to see if they can seduce you

  • into becoming a member of The Zeitgeist Movement.

  • (Joseph) And we're off with the completely erroneous definition

  • of what The Zeitgeist Movement represents which has nothing to do

  • with religion and nothing to do with 9/11.

  • Anybody with the diligent sense of research

  • could go to the FAQ of thezeitgeistmovement.com

  • and see the obvious disassociation with my films to the Movement.

  • They could even go to the Zeitgeist movies film series

  • my film series website, and see the complete disassociation.

  • You could also review every moment and every sentence

  • of all the materials ever put out via lecture and video

  • to see that absolutely no reference is ever made

  • to 9/11 or comparative religion.

  • If one was to search Youtube for all of our videos

  • which has about 11,000 returns, those produced by our members

  • never reference comparative religion or 9/11.

  • While religion in and of itself

  • is something that we speak about in our Orientation Guide

  • regarding functional spirituality, it has nothing to do with the subjects

  • described in Zeitgeist: The Movie (part one).

  • The reason the word zeitgeist is used is because of its actual definition.

  • The Zeitgeist Movement means we are interested in changing

  • the very cultural climate that seems to be destroying us

  • and that has to do with a lot of different interwoven notions

  • about what people believe and why and how they relate to the planet, etc.

  • It's like saying that The Zeitgeist Movement because of its name association

  • relates to Google Zeitgeist which is untrue as well.

  • (Journalist) We wanted to meet some of the estimated half million worldwide Zeitgeisters

  • and we started with their NYC chapter.

  • While the group spends their Sundays in the park, it's actually not

  • their most effective recruitment tool. Putting their message online

  • is what's transformed them into a global phenomenon.

  • Would-be followers can visit their website and download 3 films

  • that bear the group's name for free.

  • (Joseph) And it is here where the editorial officially divides

  • as it begins a full treatment on my first film

  • which again has nothing to do with The Zeitgeist Movement.

  • My film was produced in mid 2007

  • and the movement didn't materialize until very late 2008

  • and early 2009 after the release of Zeitgeist: Addendum.

  • (Journalist) The films are the work of Peter Joseph.

  • The musician and filmmaker debuted a performance art piece

  • in Brooklyn in 2007.

  • Some of the video projections that played behind him

  • formed the basis of the first film, a self-financed documentary

  • he called Zeitgeist: The Movie.

  • He was not available to speak with us in person, but in this 2010 interview

  • he details The Movement's earliest days.

  • (Joseph) "He details The Movement's earliest days."

  • It's very interesting again how the lines are crossed and blurred.

  • The Movement was an experimental concept after Zeitgeist Addendum

  • which is talked about, but anyone watching this would assume

  • that Zeitgeist: The Movie had an intent for such a thing.

  • Not in a million years when I produced that production

  • did I ever think or even want to begin

  • any type of social reaction to what was happening in the world

  • based on what was displayed in Zeitgeist: The Movie.

  • It wasn't even supposed to be a movie. It was just

  • a rather cathartic expression of myself which I expected to go nowhere.

  • (Joseph) What happened completely blew my mind!

  • (Journalist) According to Joseph, popularity of the movie grew far quicker

  • than he anticipated and it's not hard to see why.

  • The film is based on three very provocative claims;

  • the first is that Jesus Christ never really existed...

  • (Joseph) And then begins a rather long exposition of the first film.

  • (Journalist) The final claim put forward in the movie is that the root

  • of all evil in the world is money.

  • (Joseph) Actually, no. Zeitgeist: The Movie (part 3) had nothing to do

  • with the inherent problems with the monetary system as the 'root of all evil'.

  • It simply pointed out how money was used, how power and profit

  • was gained through various forms of social manipulation:

  • the Central Bank as a private bank cartel

  • the wars that are utilized as admitted

  • by General Smedly D. Butler of World War I

  • for industrial profit gain and all the shenanigans that go along with that

  • which is common knowledge to most people that are paying any attention.

  • It wasn't until the 2nd and 3rd film

  • that a deconstruction of the monetary market system was presented.

  • And this perspective of economics as a distortion of intent

  • as a producer of tremendous inefficiency is explicitly different

  • than what was communicated in Zeitgeist: The Movie (part 3).

  • (Journalist) Based here in lower Manhattan, the financial sector was just one

  • of the three targets set in the sights of the first Zeitgeist movie.

  • Since its release it's caused quite a stir, with several websites

  • springing up in an attempt to debunk the film

  • which has proved to be no easy task.

  • However one academic expert who knows her way around conspiracy theories

  • says the Zeitgeist movie may be nothing more than a little bit of bull.

  • (Joseph) I thought this editorial was about The Zeitgeist Movement

  • not my personal film series.

  • This gives way to more conflation and distortion

  • which I'll comment on as we go along.

  • (K. Olmsted) So I would say it's a grand conspiracy theory

  • linking three previous strands of conspiracy.

  • (Joseph) I don't know who this woman is or what grand conspiracy theory

  • she is talking about, but speaking as a filmmaker for a moment

  • unrelated to The Movement the first film talks about comparative religion:

  • how it developed over time as origin and how the political establishments

  • would utilize religions for their own betterment.

  • The 2nd part is simply looking at 9/11 from a different angle.

  • The government story is indeed a conspiracy theory though no one

  • would refer to the 9/11 Commission Report as a conspiracy theory commission report.

  • The 3rd part is simply about different elements of corruption

  • that have existed in the history of the US

  • with no grand conspiracy element to be found.

  • (Journalist) From her research she defined conspiracy theories

  • as simple ways to make sense of complicated circumstances

  • and sees why the first movie has been such a powerful recruitment tool.

  • (Joseph) First, of all the people I've met in The Movement

  • very rarely does anyone say

  • "I'm in The Movement because of the first movie."

  • They might say they learned about the film series initially

  • through the first movie which led to Zeitgeist: Addendum

  • and then they became more informed and motivated to try and see

  • some fundamental social change to assist in our progress.

  • The idea that this is a recruitment tool explicitly

  • is extremely misleading.

  • However I do agree that many people out there

  • turn to very simplistic forms of causality

  • (some will call it conspiracy theories) in order to explain complex events.

  • There are a lot of people today, such as in the Alex Jones camps

  • and many others, that see the entire world as being pulled through strings

  • and there's no causality in and of itself: It's just a bunch of groups.

  • For instance, rather than seeing the causality:

  • the monetary system, the pyramid scheme of debt

  • the historical origins of the development of this system

  • and how it's basically a self-destructive cancer

  • influencing the motivations of the population as a structural basis

  • it's much easier to say there's just some ruling, banking

  • New World Order Elite that's rigging everything

  • and they want to take down everything for some purpose

  • and that everything is calculated by some hidden group.

  • That is an idiotic way to view the world and is far from reality.

  • (K. Olmsted) It would make the movie more authoritative

  • if they didn't take these leaps from the undeniable to the unbelievable

  • but it also would make it less compelling.

  • I think part of the reason that so many people have watched it

  • and been taken in by it

  • is because it is proposing this grand theory

  • that explains everything.

  • (Joseph) Once again, as the filmmaker

  • I have no idea what the hell that's supposed to mean.

  • I suppose some could look at the entire film series

  • (which I doubt she's even seen) and could say

  • that since we focus on money as the root of many social problems

  • that that's the root of everything and that's actually not what we're saying.

  • We're just analyzing what the most important problem is

  • in trying to find a resolution for it.

  • As far as the film itself which she derails, there is a 220-page companion guide

  • with thousands of sources that goes into extreme detail

  • and has been unrefuted on the Internet

  • with all the people that claim to have debunked this movie.

  • It is quite possibly the most sourced film in history.

  • With all due respect, I don't have time to engage the naysayers anymore

  • because it's so exhausting and there's so many of them and the religious right

  • or the super-jingoistic patriots.

  • If I had the opportunity I could debate anybody

  • into a fetal position on these issues. I'm that confident

  • in the integrity of Zeitgeist: The Movie.

  • (Journalist) The group has chapters in all 50 states

  • and 49 countries around the world.

  • Their message has taken root in countries as far away

  • as Macedonia and Mongolia.

  • We've been told that there are upwards of 500,000 people

  • possibly following the movement talking about upwards of

  • millions of hits online on the movie.

  • Historically, where does that fit in

  • in terms of the size of other movements?

  • (K. Olmsted) If that's true, then it is definitely

  • the largest movement in history.

  • I'm not sure, though, that it's true.

  • I don't know if you can really measure

  • the numbers of adherence to this kind of movement.

  • (Joseph) What movement are you referring to lady?

  • Do you even know anything about what The Zeitgeist Movement represents?

  • If you think The Zeitgeist Movement runs around

  • yelling about Jesus not existing

  • or banking cartels, or false-flag terrorism

  • then you obviously know nothing about The Movement.

  • This whole little biased questioning

  • is displaced because it's utterly ignorant.

  • It's very sad to see this even included in this report.

  • (Journalist) Despite the first movie's online success

  • the movement's members were quick to divorce themselves

  • and the rest of the movement from the very film that started it all.

  • (TZM member 1) Let's be clear. The first film has nothing

  • to do whatsoever with The Zeitgeist Movement.

  • It was a production by the creator Peter Joseph

  • to express his point of view on specific topics.

  • (Joseph) It's obvious this interview took place before this production was created

  • so why did the author choose to spend so much time

  • on the first film and its controversy?

  • Coming back to my original point, the sensationalism

  • associated with this type of thing always creates a distortion

  • because he really wants to speak about the first film

  • knowing how famous it is, and then conflate it with The Movement.

  • There's the reality that most of the major press

  • that The Movement has received has never made these conflations:

  • The Huffington Post and New York Times' reviews of Z-Day

  • (our annual event to promote The Zeitgeist Movement and its ideas)

  • the Russia Today interviews and expositions they did on The Movement

  • and myself, along with many other reports none of them take this time

  • to conflate the two issues because anyone

  • who takes a moment to research it sees the obvious difference.

  • (TZM member 2) We don't go to the first film and really use

  • what the first film says to do advocacy work.

  • (Journalist) Instead, the group relies on the ideas of this man

  • inventor and designer Jaque Fresco.

  • He's the founder of The Venus Project which he runs from a compound

  • located in Venus, Florida.

  • Even though Fresco parted ways with The Movement in April 2011

  • his idea of a Resource-Based Economy

  • was the focus of Peter Joseph's second film, Zeitgeist: Addendum.

  • Members of the movement say this was the key film

  • that gave rise to The Zeitgeist Movement.

  • (Joseph) And finally a linear causality is honestly denoted with respect

  • to the introduction of Zeitgeist: Addendum and Jacque Fresco to the world.

  • (Journalist) The Venus Project proposes that technocrats using supercomputers

  • not politicians or religious leaders

  • would be in charge of controlling resources.

  • (Joseph) Whoa, I'm not quite sure where to begin

  • with correcting that statement on behalf of The Venus Project.

  • Obviously, supercomputers sounds very science fiction.

  • The application of technology to social management

  • is what The Venus Project advocates, in part

  • so does The Zeitgeist Movement.

  • Even though we're not specific to The Venus Project anymore, the train of thought

  • is still there about what we're doing, how evolution has worked,

  • what we've learned and how we can apply what we've learned

  • and what we see is the monetary system as a barrier.

  • Also the term 'technocrats' has a very limited historical definition

  • because of the organization Technocracy

  • which isn't exactly the same, and this poses another layer of confusion.

  • Thinking about a scientific approach to feed and clothe everyone on the planet

  • is a very logical concept and it isn't related

  • to technocracy explicitly even though there might be some overlap.

  • (Journalist) Another viewer attracted to an alternative

  • to the monetary system was Jared Lochner, the young man

  • who shot Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords.

  • According to high school friends, Lochner became obsessed with the film.

  • (Jared friend) I really think that this Zeitgeist documentary

  • had a profound impact upon Jared Lochner's mindset.

  • (Joseph) The first thing to point out is that this individual being questioned

  • is admitted to have not seen Jared in two years prior.

  • (Journalist 2) Eventually, Jared's bizarre behavior drove Oslar away.

  • That was two years ago.

  • (Joseph) Yet, ABC pretends like Jared was watching my movie

  • and then grabbed his gun and ran outside and did what he did.

  • (Journalist 2) Instead he points to this online documentary series

  • called Zeitgeist as the gas on Lochner's fire.

  • (Joseph) Given the admitted time-lapse here

  • Zeitgeist: Addendum, which actually introduced the concept

  • of an alternative to the monetary system

  • didn't occur until its premiere in October of 2008

  • with The Movement not taking hold until many months later in early 2009.

  • This conflation with the entire film series and eventually The Movement

  • is erroneous, making this statement false:

  • (Journalist) Another viewer attracted to an alternative

  • to the monetary system was Jared Lochner.

  • (Joseph) Zeitgeist: The Movie once again had nothing to do with an alternative

  • to the monetary system, not to mention this conflation

  • with The Movement in this sentence from ABC:

  • (Journalist 2) It's a documentary movement that rails on currency-based economics.

  • (Joseph) What the hell is a documentary movement

  • not to mention that the first film that they're showing clips of

  • really doesn't 'rail' once again on currency-based economics?

  • You can see this interest to conflate and to combine

  • and I feel on a certain part of the editorialists

  • at ABC this was deliberate because of their bias against the film series

  • and eventually their bias against The Movement. I found it quite interesting

  • that this came out just two weeks before the release of Zeitgeist: Moving Forward.

  • I guarantee you that if Zack had referenced a movie by Michael Moore

  • or something to that effect, ABC would have never have made

  • such an erroneous association and run with it.

  • If anyone would like to read more about my personal response

  • and thoughts about this issue please Google:

  • Peter Joseph public statement on Tucson shootings

  • or something to that effect and you will find my public statement

  • pointing out the erroneous concept in and of itself that such a film

  • or any film can really be the cause of such horrific actions.

  • (Journalist) What might surprise you, Lorenzo Segarra is Mr. Kill Money.

  • He's told us he's worked for New York Life Insurance

  • insurance giant AIG and Capital One Bank.

  • (Joseph) I did very much like how Dr. Kill Money as he's called

  • was shown in sort of a dark light at the beginning of this editorial

  • and then as a positive and intelligent individual he is at the end.

  • The rest of the program actually is very positive and supportive

  • so I'm going to end this analysis now but I want to conclude

  • by saying that when the mainstream media does take hold meaning the Western

  • dominant powers this is exactly the kind of rhetoric you can expect

  • in a much less positive light.

  • They will hold onto the first film, Jared Lochner

  • and anything they can find

  • as an erroneous, yet prima facie association

  • to avoid the actual arguments that The Movement presents

  • which is a failing social system and the need to do something different.

  • In conclusion, I want to thank Daniel Allen for taking the energy to do this

  • from Brooklyn College and enabling really a tremendously good thought exercise

  • and a prophetic view of what we can expect from the mainstream media.

  • (Journalist) A worldwide community based on one simple idea:

  • We all need to kill money before money kills us.

Hello everybody. This is Peter Joseph.

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