founder of the Zeitgeist Movement

Peter, I know that you have put a major critique of the mainstream media

and its coverage of the Occupy Wall Street movement.

Lay this out for me. What's your biggest beef

with what we've been seeing in the Occupy Wall Street movement

and how it's been covered?

- Needless to say the mainstream media is doing

what it always does best and that's maintaining the status quo.

It's not a far-fetched understanding to see that the values

that are perpetuated by this system that are associated with wealth generation

and the corporations that run this country are going to do the best they can

to make sure the public is not aware of the growing crisis

that this economic system is creating across the board.

I want to commend RT once again for what I've just seen:

It's really wonderful the service that you are providing.

Mainstream media? I've dismissed it long ago.

- We appreciate it. We have been out covering this since the first day

before a lot of people even heard of this, but I will say

that I keep my eyes on what's on the cable networks

and they have started to be out there a little more in terms of covering

and showing that this is actually going on.

I do also have to say that I've seen more stories about

the gap between rich and poor, income and inequality...

You've given up on the mainstream media, but do you think

that after some time, that having this discussion will change things

will lead to a better country?

- Or a better world. I do think the pressures that are emerging

are not going to stop. What's been generated with Occupy Wall Street (OWS)

what underscores that generation: angst, anger.

That 'insurrection' isn't going to stop

because of the mechanisms of this system

(which I'm happy to talk about as we continue) and the mainstream media

will be forced to recognize some attributes of it.

But it's always going to be a colored in a particular way

because that's basically what they have to do.

That's where their talking points come from.

But I don't dismiss the mainstream media. I say that in rhetoric.

Obviously I'm paying attention too or I wouldn't make the commentary that I do

but I think the public needs to begin to understand

that having the concentration of corporate power

ownership of these major, mainstream institutions

is always going to produce biased media and it's a natural consequence.

It's not that the people are unethical who run the mainstream.

It's just the value that's associated and what they promote.

Just like RT and other great more independent avenues

have values that are much more open, they're much broader

more informed, and therefore you represent actually

what many people want to see, what the voice of the people may actually be

as opposed to the filtering that goes through the mainstream.

The entire Occupy Movement began as a blackout

and then the outrageous criticisms calling them communists and socialists

and a bunch of drug addicts or people without jobs and no incentive.

All that stuff went through that phase. Now we have hit a phase

where the mainstream is going to pay some type of attention

but I want to alert everybody that it's going to be colored

so everyone needs to go to outlets that are not mainstream.

They need to start to frequent blog. They need to frequent

all of the independent media that has arisen

from common people that are reporting.

Fortunately, we live in a world with everyone having cameras now

so it's very easy to go to videoblogs

and actually see and digest information yourself.

- Or even go to some of these places, some of these parks where people are.

It seems like more and more they're happening all around the country.

Peter, I want to talk really quickly about the Zeitgeist Movement.

It encourages also a change in the system.

When it comes to some of the things that these protesters on OWS

are frustrated with: a government with officials that are very much chosen

by the amount of money they can raise, banks being bailed out

veterans returning home and not being able to find a job

I guess I want to get your take, pick your brain a little bit.

What are your solutions to some of these problems?

Just to correct the language quickly, it's not 'my' solutions.

It's solutions that have come about through a very simple technical analysis

of what defines society: what creates good public health

good mental health, what we have learned about social management

when it comes to our scientific benchmark.

Just to point out before I answer that question, our entire social system

is based on an archaic view a traditional notion

that was established long ago.

It's really an extension to feudalism is what the political system is today.

The economic system is a socially Darwinistic notion

that there isn't enough to go around, so we have all these mechanisms

built in for scarcity and we now have one billion people starving

on this planet, 3 billion people living on less than $2 a day.

You look at the consequences of this system and then you step back

and you think about what a true economic system might be

and a train of thought will be established.

A true economic system is not a system

based on exchange, money and labor for income.

That's a contrivance that we've concocted through traditional unfoldings

as we've learned through time

what our place in the world actually is, what we are.

A true economy, which is what's now emerging in the public mind

is the management of the Earth.

A true economy is management of this household that we have

and proper management is a technical orientation.

Meeting the needs of human population is a technical orientation.

Just as we build an airplane with a very specific design

(you can't have too much deviation

or you might injure the efficiency or efficacy of that airplane)

we have to construct society technically.

I can go on a long tangent about what a technical approach

to the social management may be, but let me just say this:

If we do not actually begin to manage the Earth's resources

if we do not actually begin to take care of society as it is

we are going to see numerous forms of destabilization occur

systemically breaking down the social order

causing much more chaos than we are beginning to see now.

- Peter, you are speaking in very broad terms.

A total restructuring of society sounds like a great idea

but what about realistically in terms of

some of these very specific problems plaguing society right now?

Obviously everyone, especially down there in this movement believes

that an entire restructuring needs to happen

but do you think that there are some things that can happen now?

- Yes, I do think that there are things that can happen now but

the things that will happen now will only be patches

until the larger order restructuring occurs.

Most of the people in the protest community:

OWS or even in the mainstream activist community

never stop to think about the structure of this system

the structure and the psychology and values

that come from that structure and what's reinforced.

That's where the Zeitgeist Movement really comes into play.

I can list all sorts of things that could alleviate different tensions

as far as the debt crisis. First

you're going to have to have debt forgiveness across the board

if you expect to stop the cancer of debt growth. That's it.

The entire system is based on debt being created

money being created out of debt, interest charged upon it

so you have boom, your black hole:

instant, exponentially increasing, unstoppable, debt growth, period.

That's it. It's structural to the system.

How many people are talking about that? Not that many.

- I think a lot of these protesters are talking about

this system needs to change. Most people are just still very unsure

how that happens... Unfortunately we're out of time.

Peter Joseph, founder of the Zeitgeist Movement.