You'reinvitedto a realEnglishconversationwithmeandmyhusband, Dan.
私と夫のダンとの本物の英会話にご招待します。
Hi.
こんにちは。
We'regoingtobetalkingabouteducationtoday.
今日は教育について話すつもりだ。
YouaskedusyourtopeducationquestionsinEnglish, andwe'regoingtohave a chitchataboutthosequestions, immerseyouinEnglish, and I hopeyouwillendupontheothersideofthisconversationwith a higherlevelofvocabulary, moreconfidenceaboutspeakinginEnglish, andyou'llenjoyitalongtheway.
I have a littlestatistichere I lookedupinadvance, fancy.
事前に調べた統計があるんだ。
Privateschools, 9% ofstudentsgoto a privateschoolandparentshavetopayextrafor a privateschool.
私立学校、9%の生徒が私立学校に通い、親は私立学校のために追加料金を支払わなければならない。
Itcouldbe a religiousprivateschool.
宗教的な私立学校かもしれない。
Itcouldbe a secularprivateschool.
世俗的な私立学校かもしれない。
Ourchild, Theo-
私たちの子供、テオ
He's probablyinthe 1% becausehegoesto a natureschool.
彼は自然学校に通っているので、おそらく1%に入るだろう。
It's notreligiousbased.
宗教に基づくものではない。
He's inthe 0.5%.
彼は0.5%だ。
It's a veryunusualprivateschool, butthere's alsoothertypesofprivateschools, like a natureschoolwherehalfofthedaytheyspendtimeoutsideinthewoodsortheteacherstrytoincorporatetheoutsidenatureintothelessons.
一日の半分を森の中で過ごす自然学校とか、教師が外の自然を授業に取り入れようとする学校とか。
A lotoftimestheseschoolswillcallthemselvesalternativeeducation.
SoifyoucometotheUSandyouthink, I wantmykidtohavethebesteducation, I think I canaffordtopayforprivateschool, makesureyoucheckitoutfirstandmakesurethatit's actuallythequalitythatyouwant.
Andpublicschoolhasgottenkindoflike a badreputationaswell.
公立学校も評判が悪い。
I mean, there's varyingqualities, but a lotofpeoplewheretheylive, theirschoolisnotverygood.
つまり、様々な資質があるけれど、多くの人が住んでいるところの学校はあまり良くないんだ。
Andit's notjustteachers.
教師だけではない。
It's alsolikethepeersyou'rewithandit's kindof, I don't know.
一緒にいる仲間もそうだし、なんというか、よくわからない。
I mean, obviously I teachatanalternativeschool, so I don't, I'm not a bigfanofthetraditionalmodeland I don't likeallthebureaucracyandnottosaythatthere's not a lotofgoodheartedpeopleinthesystem.
InAmerica, ifyoudosomethingdifferentlikethat, people, theymaylikesometimesgoandlikewhisperaboutitorlikesay, I don't reallyagreewiththat, butthey'llnevertellyoutoyourfacethattheyhave a problemwiththat, justlike a decisionyoumightmake, especially a personaldecision.
And I feellikehomeschoolingtodayiswaybetterthanitwaswhen I was a kid.
それに、今のホームスクーリングは私が子供の頃よりもずっと良くなっていると感じる。
Waymoreresources.
もっと多くのリソースを。
I thinkthatwhat I experienced, I don't wantformykids, buttoday I cankindoffeasiblyseehowyoucan, youknow, buildupcertainsocialexposures, havecertaingroups.
So I thinkyes, peoplegenerallygoto, wewouldsaycollege, but I think a lotoftheworldwouldsayuniversity.
だから、一般的には大学に進学すると思う。
I don't knowthepercentage, but I wouldsay.
パーセンテージはわからないが、私はこう言いたい。
What's yourguess?
どう思う?
What's yourguess?
どう思う?
Is a goodtime?
いい時間ですか?
No.
いや。
75%.
75%.
Wow.
ワオ。
Really?
本当に?
Yeah.
そうだね。
Okay.
オーケー。
Whatisit?
それは何ですか?
Okay.
オーケー。
No, no, no.
いや、違う。
It's not 92%.
92%ではない。
61%.
61%.
I thinkthisisshowingyour, yourbiasbecause- 50%.
なぜなら50%だからだ。
I don't knowwhichwaythebiasis.
どちらにバイアスがかかっているかは分からない。
Let's saythat.
そうしよう。
Soforus, wehave a four-yeardegreeandthat's whatyoucallit.
だから私たちには4年制の学位がある。
Whenyougotocollegeforfouryears, youcouldhave a two-yeardegree.
大学に4年間通えば、2年制の学位が取れる。
It's calledanassociate's degreeor a four-yeardegree.
準学士または4年制学位と呼ばれるものだ。
Andwehavefour-yeardegrees.
4年制の学位もある。
And I thinkthere's beensomestudiesthatshowlikeifyouhave a four-yeardegree, mostofthepeopleinyoursocialcirclealsohavethesameorclosetothesamelevelofeducation.
However, I think I haveheardfromcertain, likeourneighbor, I thinkshesaidshewasthefirsttogotocollegeandlikeitwaslikelookeduponaslikegreat, butitwasn't likeexpected.
I wouldsayanywherebetween $30,000 and $200,000 for a fouryeardegree, dependingonifyougoto a communitycollegeorifyougoto a stateschoolorifyougoto a privateschool, itcanrangeanywhereinthere.
If I wasgoingtogotothatschool, I hadtohave a lotofmoneyalreadypaidfor, otherwiseitwasjusttooexpensive.
もしその学校に行くなら、すでにたくさんのお金が支払われていなければならなかった。
But I thinkit's interestingbecauseofourexperience, wefelt, I canspeakforyoutoo, wefeltprettyburdened, eventhoughwehadscholarships, wefeltprettyburdenedpostcollegetopaybackourstudentloans.
I thinkit's a clicheamongpeopleouragethatcollegeisnotworthitandthatit's justwaytooexpensiveforwhatyougetoutofitanditdoesn't reallyprepareyouandallthisstuff.
I thinkifyougraduatedlike 2005 to 2010, aroundthat, 2000, maybeeven 15 inthatrange, youprobablyfeellikeusthatyourdegreedoesnotmeanyouwillget a goodpayingjob.
I thinkinitiallywhenwewenttocollege, therewaslike a transitionalphasewhereeverythingwasgetting, itwasgetting a lotmoreexpensiveandthatcostbenefitanalysiswasmaybemakinglesssense, but a lotofourfamilieswerestillsayingthesamemessagethatyoujusthavetogoevenifyou'renotevensurewhatyouwanttodo, whichwasinmycase, which I thinkdidn't helpme.
And I don't knowexactlywhatthefuture, I don't knowwhatthefutureholds, but I feelliketheworldchangesreally, reallyfastandthat I willcertainlynottellmychildrentheyhavetogotocollegeandthatlikethiswillmakeallthedifference.
Unfortunately, I don't feellikemyparentsdidthat, buttheirgenerationreallywasthelastgenerationwhosaid, I'llget a universitydegreeandthatwillgiveme a goodjob.
Anyway, whoknowswhatwillhappeninthenext 10 to 15 yearsforourkids, but I certainlywon't pressurethemand I won't feeldisappointediftheydecidenottogotocollegeaslongastheyareindependentadults, youknow, tryingtodosomethingdifferent.
And I'm goingtotransitiontothelastquestionandskiponequestionactually, becauseit's a, I thinkyou'reabouttosaysomethingaboutit.
最後の質問に移りますが、実は1つ質問を飛ばします。
Oh, am I?
私が?
I guess.
そうだね。
Okay.
オーケー。
Becauseithastodowithwhathappensifyoudon't get a collegedegree?
大卒の学位がないとどうなるか、ということと関係があるからですか?
Isithardtofind a jobifyoudon't have a universitydegree?
大卒でないと就職は難しいのでしょうか?
I did a littlebitofresearchaboutthis, butwhat's yourgutsay?
これについて少し調べてみたが、君の直感はどうだ?
Ifyoudon't get a universitydegree, isithardertoget a job?
大卒でないと就職は難しいのでしょうか?
Yeah.
そうだね。
Yeah.
そうだね。
Likeifyoudidn't have a degreerightnow, wouldyourprospectsbemoredifficult?
もし今、学位を持っていなかったら、将来性はもっと難しくなるのでしょうか?
Itprobablyis.
おそらくそうだろう。
I don't thinkithastobe, but I dothinkthat, I don't knowif I'veactuallyreadlike a studyaboutthis, but I think I heardin a podcastthatthatislikesomethingthatemployerswilllookatandthey'llbelike, allright, checkoffforyourdegree.
I feellikeyoucanlearnmaybenotanything, but a lotofthingsintwoyears.
2年間で、何も学べないかもしれないが、多くのことを学べるような気がする。
Yeah.
そうだね。
Butitdoesn't havetobefouryears.
だが、4年である必要はない。
Soitsaid, ifyouwant a jobthatusuallysayswerequire a degreeortheyhighlyrecommend a degreeintheirapplication, maybelike a softwareengineerorsomethinglikethis.