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2 of cross examination of amber
heard starting now.
>> Good morning Mister morning.
Your relationship with MR.
That began in October of 2101
right
that's correct. You previously
testified multiple times under
oath that the first year of
your relationship with
Mister dopp was the best of
times right to search that is
correct. He testified that as
far as you could tell
Mister Depp was sober atth
first year. That is correct
that's what he used to believe.
Not the first year was quote
magic.
Yes I estimated it was about a
ye.ar
But now you've told this jury
that Mister Depp was bngei
violent with you throughout
2012 having to
miss her. No he took a break in
the middle of 2012 and he was
sober.
He was hitting you
1220 though right. He was
hitting me in 2012 he just took
a break in the mide.dl
He was smashing things around
you right.
You told them that Mister Depp
was in and out of sobriety in
2012 and is correct.
He told this jury then to quote
in 2012, I was in the gibenning
stages of this
just learning these patterns I
was learning that drinking kind
correlated with the violence.
End quote that right that is
correct.
So was during the cycles of
violence in 2012 that you gave
Mister Depp a knife as a gift.
I gave him
a knife. I think for a birthday
prest enearly in our
relationship I believe it was
around 2012. But I'm not
certain. We see a
picture of that knife but I did
think we should bring out the
real thi.ng
Master deputy
master deputy sheriff Lew idsa
police have you. Show the knife
to misheard.
That's a knife y gouave to the
man who was hitting you right
misheard.
I was worried he was going to
stab you with that I give it to
him that's for certain. But you
gave it to him while he was
abusing you allegedly gave it
to him that year.
Master deputy sheriff Lou sent
you please show that knifeo t
the jury.
This is the night he gave to
the man who would get drunk dan
violent with you right. This is
the same night that gave him as
a president in 2012, yes.
Now he's heard I'm going to
need to talk to you about what
happened Australian March of
2015.
You testified that at some
point during the incident you
described you witness Mister
dopp bashing phone against the
wall right.
That is correct you testified
that the phone was breakgin
into pieces. I was watching
it disappear. Mister Depp smash
and I think your word was
smithereens yes that is
corrt.ec
And according to your
testimony, this is a
wall-mounted phone in the rba
area that is correct.
Let's take a look at denseef
exhibit 1, 8, to 0.
We believe this has already
been admitted into evidence if
he could have it publish.ed
You saw this photo during uryo
direct
examination right that is
correct you testieifd that the
wall-mounted phone that you saw
Mister Depp's Nash is on the
wall on the left.
That's correct. So if you're
lookinatg
this picture.
>> The wall the wall mounted
phone and then behind you on
the left-hand si odef your
show.
>> It's not too big to depicted
in this photo cracked.
>> Whoever took this photo
standing right in front of
where that mountain from West.
The pieces of the phone Mister
Depp smashed on in this picture
either right.
You don't see it because it's
whoever took this photo
standing in front of that.
We're took this photo,t's i
Mister Ben
King correct. That's what I
believe Mister King testified
under oath in this trial right
atth
is correct. And he testified
that there was no wall-mounted
found smashed to smithereens
that he had to replace correct.
I didn't hear him testify to
that now. The council is ttha
it.
I disagree with that
representation. We also saw
this picture.
Actually can we please bring up
defendant's exhibit 1, 8, to
one. Which is also admitted
into evidence.
We also saw this picture during
your direct examination correct
that is correct. And so this is
the bar area to the right of
the wall-mounted fun, you just
descrid.be
If you are facing in that
direction if you're fangci
destruction behind you.
This phone on the countersnd a
the phone the got smashed to
smithereens isn't know they
brought that
it testimony in the UK as well
and I said this in the UK trial
as well that that is not
obviously because owns a smash
and it's not wall mound.te
So there are 2 phones in the
bar area. There there was a
wall-mounted phone I don't know
if it was decorative or what
but it was way like it loodke
antique large
an antique and and the largest
antique e onthat's not depicted
in any photograph, including
ones you took
tishe one that Mister Depp
damage correct that is correct
I only 2 pictures them years.
So there's no picture of that
damage from I didn't take a
picture of it w.no
So back to the phones national
you watch this or that smashed
the phone right. Thast'
correct. I
watched it. You testified that
you we qreuote watching the
phone every single time he
pulled his
hand back and quote that's
correct and according to you
this is when Mister dot stlo
the tip of the stinger right
is my best guess I didn't
notice
his finger. Come off obviously
I smashed the phone and
watching the pieces break while
he was doing it well it's not
your best guess.
It's hard that is my next
guest, yes, let's go back to my
you submitted a declaration
under the penalty of perjury in
this case to remember not that
is correct, let's look at that
declaration.
Direct your attention misheard
to the.
Page 14, but the decoration.
Is that your signature.
Your signature appears rhtig
under the statement quote I
declare under peltnay
of perjury. Under the laws of
the state of Virginia that the
foregoing is true in crash.
That
is correct. This is dadte
4/10/2019. Correct now let's
look at paragraph 16 which is
on page 5.
Specifically line 10.
Testify under oath.
While he was smashing
the phone Johnny severely
injured his finger cutting off
the top of it and quote I read
that correctly yes that's
corrt.ec
So you testified in this
urcotroom that after Mister
Duff smashed the phone he held
you down in the countertop by
the neck. Remember that I'm not
make sure the exact sequence of
things but yes, both of theos
things happened.
We'll get to the sequence and
this is when Mister Depp
supposedly assaulted you with a
bottle rig.ht
On the countertop peaceful to
me so Mister Depp was able to
get you on the counter rig.ht
You know we'd amendment neck
and hold you down by your neck.
And he grabbed a bottle
according to you.
By holding you down by the
neck cracked right can you
clarify what you're asking me.
While
Mister Depp is holding y bouuy
the next against the countertop
he grabs a bottle that's
your testimony. No those 2
things didn't happen athet
exact same time now.
While he's so he's holding the
bottle cited testimonyas w
holding down by the neck.
What w yasour question.
Your testimony is mishrdea
that either he has a bottle
before or after he's holding
him by the neck on the counter
that your testimony he how we
y the neck on the counter.
That he is what he was holding
you down by the neck.
>> When he was assaulting me
with the bottle of his in his
hand.
>> Was it in his hand before
after he holds you down by
Turner.
>> I was being held down while
his soul to be with the bottle.
>> When he puts you on the
counter does he have the botetl
in his hand, yes,
or no.
>> As I have always said I
don't remember exactly what
happened first I don't remember
the sequence I
just remember being aware that
I was being assaulted aby
bottle while I was on the
countertop so he penetrates
with this bottle. But you don't
know how he got the ball rhtig
it is And he did that right
after he lost the tip of his
right middle finger again.
I don't remember the exact
sequence of
those events we'll get to the
sequence and while he was on 8
to 10 and the maple llsHi
right. Yes.
Let's talk about the sequence
this is a sequence of events
you testified to in
this courtroom and he smashed
the phone to smithereens and
insulted you. Lost the tip of
the singer and then assaulted
you with a bottle yes that's
the sequence of events that uyo
testified to in this room to be
clear you're putting it in
order when you say words like
then.
I have never claimed that I can
remember the exact sequence of
these things.
This was a multi-day assault
that took place over 3 horrible
day is hrd weae're seeing her
demeanor not time he's heard
that's that's not
my question. My question is
about the three-day assault
allegedly that occurred.
I'm just talking about the
sexual assault that you know
allege occurred. Yeah, but
let's talk about the sequence.
So you testified.
Copy of day 16 in front
of The 16 yes of my deposition
and now of
the court transcript from the
strike. Oh yes I didn't realize
that just yet. Let's look at
the transcript.
So you testified on gepa
getting there 4, 5, 0, 6,
And the reason that we need to
go through this concert is
because we understand that
these are very serious
allegations that you're making
right. I happen to me, yes,
okay, so let's go through them.
Page
4, 5, 0, 6 flying to through 3
I sit here n.ow
You testified on page 4, 5, 0,
6, this all started when Mister
Depp took 8 or 10 pills of MDMA
rit.gh
Their attention to page 4, 5,
1, 8,
Why 19.
You talk about Mister Depp
smashing a wall-mounted phe.on
Correct that is correct.
Then on page 4, 5, 1, 9,
At line 3.
You testified that while Mister
Depp a smashing phone he's.
>> My mother thinks.
>> And further down on page 4,
5, 1, 9 same page nesli
12 through 19. You talk about
how you watch Mister Depp
smashed the phone to
smithereens. Right.
Continuing on the same
page 4, 5, 1, 9, line 20 you
y something really important.
At some point he's on top of me
no phone but screening the
same thing.
>> And quote right just
remember the sound yes. You
testified to this jury.
He didn't have a phone in his
hand anymore when he was
assaulting that the bottle he
had the bottle in his hand and
enwh
he was punching a wall with the
phone in the phone in his hand
when he was punching the law
makes my head he had me byhe t
truck. He did a lot of things
at night.
>> Cyr knowledge by the
sequence, not my words, your
words misheard you testified to
this jury and Mister Depp
smashed the phontoe
smithereens before he
assaulted you. I have a way
that the sequencing whicyouh
testified correct. I have never
testified to a sequence.
Talking about that sequence
that on page 4, 5, to one.
Starting at line 3.
u testified to being bent
over backwards on the bar.
>> All
right sidebar cool so and
Robinson Eric per year on a
mackerel
so an.
>> Coming out swinging as like
Mike Tyson in dressed as Olivia
pope.
>> Right exactly and that's
that's what she's doing she's
drawing the attention away from
him I heard to herself so that
the jury is
focusing on on the content of
her questions, she's testifying
and giving
the jury things to think about
through her questions and amber
heard still is not conceding
even theasic b things that
would actually help for this
cross examination to go bett.er
>> Well I would agree there
this cross is already going
badly for misheard and it's
only getting worse
right now bbyeing so
argumentative by not a good
meeting just simple facts esh
is making
the jury. trust the rest of her
statements or credibility is
suffering as
a result and even just looking
at the gallery here you know we
don't see the jury of course we
can see the B one.
>> The gallery and a lot of
them don't seem to be too
receptive you can't imagine the
jurors are seeing it much
differently.
>> Let's go back inside our
zo.ne
>> Directing your
attention misheard to page, 4
5, 2, 1, starting at line 3.
He testified to being bent over
backwards on the bar right that
is correct. And then feeling
pressure on your pubic bone
like Mister Depp was punching
you.
Yes, that's what I thought and
then further down on page 4, 5,
to one. And on 2, 4, 5, to 2.
You testified that you are
concerned Mister Depp was using
a broken bottle and you yes.
That was my fear. What I
remember feeling.
It's sort of going to show you
defendant's exhibit 1, 8, 1, 6,
Just already been admitted,
yes. Ma'am thank you. It saw
this picture during your dirtec
examination right I didn't.
And you testified that this is
a picture of the bottles that
were next Mister Depp on a desk
when you found him drinking in
the morning. Right thast'
correct.
This was the morning after
Mister Depp had allegeydl
sexually
assaulted you right it washe t
morning after he did assault
me. Yes and if I understood
your testimony correctly
testified that thiiss the
makers Mark bottle that Mister
dopp sexually assaulted you
with I was never sure it was
but it was definitely that
shape felt like
that shape. He testified in
this courtroom they have not
seen this bottle until Ben King
provided these photographs
correct. Not of course the
trial hadn't seen the
photogra.ph
You claim you had serious
injuries after this alleged
incident right misheard.
Depends on what you would call
a serious
for me.
>> You know having a sore
Johnson At the time of my
relationship wasn't that let's
testify, let's focus on
the testimony that you gave
about the injuries.
As you testified yesterday
wears rings on every finger
right, sometimes I
mean often and certainly in the
later part of our relationship
that was more normal than not
but if you filming or something
like that. Of course is not
going to have his own jewelry
your testimony.
In this trial was quote I don't
know if I ever known Johnny not
to
wear rings.
>> Correct you need to put your
microphone on miss.
Thank you objection, your eye
improper impeachment there
she's going to ask a question
that he has to show where that
was through the objection.
Thank you.
>> Your testimony yesterday was
quote I don't know if I've ever
known Johnny not to wear rings.
Sir that's why testify to yes
and he was wearing ringsn o
every finger
in Australia, correct or not
all the time not literally
every single ring every single
day, but the often
more strings. Not often this
heard your words are I've never
known Johnny not to wear rgsin
on every finger. That is what I
testified to. You testified
that you glad as a result of
the sexual assault, correct.
You testified that your
forearms were caught.
My forms of my feet and your
feet were sliced up.
You testified you had a bruise
across your job.
And there's not a
single medical record
reflecting treatment for any of
those injuries is there
misheard I didn't ese
treatment.
And the day after he sustained
all these injuries doctor Dadvi
Kipper came to the House in
Australia right.
Well he came the Along with
security.
The day after you sustained
these injuries, this doctor
David Kipper came along with
nurse Debb Bieoyd correct.
We'll have that fight went into
the morning like early hour
morning. So technically atth
last d.ay
Doctor David Kipper as Mister
Depp's or was Mister physician
ght.
I believe he still I was at the
time, yes that's correct.
And he was also
your physician. He also saw me
now not saw you he was your
physician correct concert at
Johnny was the client but he
also treat me.ed
You remember giving testimony
in this case in a deposition,
MR. Yes, I do have given a
couple.
We could
pull up the deposition day too.
5.89 line 6 throug8.h
We're going to play this hurts
deposition for
the jury. Lines day to page
5.40 line 6 to 9. We have
permission to publish it.
And you think you might just
give me, I'm sorry day to gepa
5.89 line 60. I could just give
us a minute to get course
credit 89 and so with that in
mind page 5.89 line 6 throhug
8.
Can you say fine for yrou
Friday, 5.89.
Lines 6 through 8 all right.
Thank you thank you, I have no
objection.
>> And he was your doctor this
point right yes, us.
>> Debbie Lloyd also came to
the House that day.
Yes you can with skipper miss
Lloyd is a nurse cracked that
is correct. Malcolm Connelly
also came to the House that
day.
Mister Connelly is one of the
security guards, correct that
is correct. You had known
Mister Connelly for years at
that and yes that's corrt.ec
He flew back to Los Angeles the
next day with Ben King sat
rit.gh
I can't be certain if it the
next day or the day after but
somewhere around
there. Yes. And the day you
right back in Los Angeles he
saw Travis mcgivern correct.
I don't recall seeing. Travis
known. You recall Mister
mcgivern picking you up from
the airport with Ben King.
I don't remember that now.
The same Elsa so
your owners. Aaron Brown
for the lottery that day
correct the day arrived in Los
Angeles. I don't recall eyth
saw
that day. The summit's floods
testimony in this case by video
deposition correct that is
correct and you heard her
stteified that she saw you the
day you right back from
Australia on 3/9/2015 I believe
she testified that she came to
dinner.
When I was with
friends and I believe that so
she saw you that day I believe
that evening Iaw s her dinner.
And then you saw
Aaron Brown fatila again the
next day for a private meeting
didn't y.ou
I'm not sure if that if that's
what she testified to have to
see the records to know
you heard her testify,
according to her notes she met
with you privately on
3//210015. She met with me at
some point upon my arrival but
I don't remember the exact
date.
And when you were in Australia,
misheard you didn't take any
pictures that the injuries you
claim to have sustained right I
did not take any pictures wno
but you did take 2 pictures.
At years I took 2 pictures in
the bathroom mirrors was the
master bathroom where
I was. Let's please pull up
defendant's exhibit 3, 7, 4,
which islr aeady in evidence.
You took this picture right
Mister yes that's correct.
And this is a mayor in the
bathroom in Australia. That's
correct. And this block pain
time nears for
Mister Dunn that is correct
here out in the mirror and
block pain after his finger was
cut off rit.gh
But I only know
that because it was blooasd
well as Pete.
So you took this picture aerft
Mister Depp had injured his
fingers, correct. This was
while I was packing winds
leaving. That's right folks
aren't that's. But the
qutiesons I.
He took this picture after
Mister dopp had injured his
finger
that's great. He took this
picture after you have
allegedly been assaulted by
Mister Depp yes that's correct.
You can catch yourself mayor
did you. See myself in the
mirror now.
Let's please pulupl
defendant's exhibit 3, 7, 5,
He took this picture as well
right misheard that's correct
and this is from one of the
bathroom mirrors in Australia.
That's correct. This is also
picture taken after Mister Depp
had injured his finger.
And this is also picture taken
after you allegedly been
assaulted by MR.
That's correct. You can catch
yourself in the mirror and this
picture either did you do not
see myself mayor in
that picture is that because
you didn't have any visible
injuries on you because of
taking picture the writing.
t'Les talk about the writing on
the smr.ea
So the writing and black pain
is for Mister that
correct it's often stirred up
and it's your testimony under
oath that you did not write the
red tax that says quote
call Carly Simon she said it
better baby and that's that's
correct.
Because if you did right that
means that your husband was
walking around the house
bleeding from his amputated
finger and you're writing
snarky messages to him on a
mere right.
I don't know your question to
me is I'm sorry.
Let's please take a lookt a
defense exhibit 1, 8, 3, 0,
I believe this pick this
pictures also admitt iednto
evidence.
This is a picture of the same
air right that's correct you
can take
this picture. No I did not this
is when the Ben King took and I
don't see him in there either.
He is and believe he claimed he
had injuries though is that
right. I did not thinking talk
about his injuries now.
He would agree misheard that
the bloc tax and the mayor says
quote. She loves naked phosto
of herself. So modern so hot.
I have not read that yet I mean
before, but yeah that's what it
says.
They were taking pictures of
the text you have not read
that before. I haven't seen
this and didn't make sense to
me at the time I read it in
person. Again Mister duprex
that I don't know who seel
would have.
So Mister just be clear it your
testimy onthat Mister Depp also
wrote the message uyo
and about Carly Simon saying a
better right that's correct,
you know, Carly Simon sing the
song you're so vain, right.
I was told that.
So it's your testimony that
Mister Depp was writing
messages to himself in the
mirror back and forth. The best
I can describe it is it look
likeA.
crazy conversation. I was on
the was within sight and shades
of Zahn cushions your testimony
the cop crazy conversations
with himself. That's it look
like from the but the message
is I found
you would agree with me that in
this photograph, the red tax
distance much with black paint
right. Yes.
Please pull up if we can
defendant's exhibit 3,, 5
excuse me 3, 7, 5, again.
Smudges and in this picture
thatou y
took right. That's correct.
MR. Dot must have not liked his
own message himself.
I'm not quite sure what was
happening when then took that
put the and his photograph n.ow
Please pull up latest exhibit 3
for 3 which is already in
evidence and play portion from.
One 5721 through one 5485
recording your honor.
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>> You
>> don't escape the fight you
escape the solution you escape
the
It's scape.
>> Figure you know wcanne ot
work it out if you want a way
to the bathroom every time and
listen to me. This is me.
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>> Boxer c.an
There are around.
Just keeps mounting dan
mounting in mounta.in
This is what really happened
in Australia isn't misheard.
I did knock on a bathroom door.
Not a bathroom door, 5 bathrmoo
doors and 2 bedrooms that is
why not accurate historian of
what happened during that miss
your time again is heard that's
not my question. 5 bathroom
doors 2 bedrooms that's what
you knocked on.
That's what actually happened.
Australia isn't
it MR. I was there so I
remember I knocked on one
bathroom door
I came on the first night after
he decided to take the bacofk
India may.
Parents check on her and so we
move to strike everything afrte
I knocked on
one back.
>> You know that she's
answering the question. But
that's not quite so I will
sustain the objection just
answer the question of Cayman.
The recording we just listen to
what exactly would have.
Lost the tip of his finger
after he threw a bottle atim h
is not right. That
is incorrect. You're the one
who assaulted someone with the
bottle and Australia isn't that
right MR. I didn't missile
Johnny and Australia in Johnny,
a or I couldn't and then after
he was injured. He had to hide
from
you right that is a guy that
threw means 2 bedrooms that is
incorrt.ec
Because he was avoiding tainglk
to
you right. He did that first
night when he was a boy to talk
to him about the drugs a hend
was avoiding working it t.ou
>> I have a a.
>> A mixed relationship with
Johnny and one in
which I scared one which I love
him very much not talking about
your
next relationship.
>> That night in Australia
after you could office finger
with a bottle. You weren't
scared of him at all where you.
>> This is a man
who tried to kill me course,
it's Kerry is also my husband.
Sort of a show you what's been
marked as defendants exhibit 3,
7, 1,
>> Want to be on our continuing
coverage of Johnny Depp for
says amber heard the
this morning. It is amber hedar
on the
defense Camille.
>> Ask us on the attack day 2
of cross examination is picking
up right where we left off.
>> Do not believe these have
been admitted into evidence no.
We can scroll down plee.as
It's better off if you don't
have your microphone and I
cannot hear you. You still
don't have a.
I did take a look at the
unredacted from an honor just
bear
with me. I'm not admitting it
into evidence yet I would like
to just talk to the witnses
about a good thank you are.
It certainly show you what's
been marked as defendasnt
exhibit
3, 7, 1, Do you recognize these
text messages between uyo
doctor Cowan.
I don't recognize the owsn
who's
doctor count. He was on my
therapist was recommended to me
for doctor he a doctor can work
togeth.er
Here's your therapist at the
time correct that's correct.
You have been seeing him for
almost a year in March of 15.20
My guess would be
about 6 months at that poi.nt
Your text messages are in great
correct your horon
I'm going.
>> I'm going to ask that she
show her the unredacted o soto
that she can see the text
exchange back and forth because
he wants to talk about what
later good. Thank you pull it
out.
>> Seeing these unredacted
messages just this profession
recollection that these are
indeed communications betwnee
you and doctor Callan.
Yes, that's corrt.ec
Doctor your text messages are
in great correct.
And doctor calendar in blue.
You see the text message at the
bottom of the page from March
8th.
2015 at
08:29PM. Yes, that's corre.ct
March 8th is the day that you
were allegedly sexually
assaulted by Mister Depp in
Australia, correct that is
correct. On 3/8/2015 you are in
Australia.
And Mister Depp's finger had
just been cut off right that is
correct and you write doctor
Kao UNQUOTE. I feel so lost.
I can't ta.lk
I dot n'know if I'll ever be
able to change and quote I read
that correctly that's correct.
You are unable to change where
you misheard.
>> I very much wanted to leave
the relationship I was in but I
didn't.
Have the power, I didn't feel I
had the power to leave Ine kw I
was in a very toxic
relationship
with Johnny. And I knew I
needed to change that I knew it
was at this pot.in
is often about the exhibit.
>> Defendants exhibit 3, 7, 1,
has redacted would just miss
hurts messages, sorry your
honor I
ject beak as she has left out
the next 2ines l
for MR. Or that clarify even
further and I also think it's
right on time wins because yeah
that's probably why thiss. i
A>>ll A side
After.
>> A little bit of a heated
exchange there. So Robinson
Eric prayer still with us.
Summing up for us right
>> it seems as though Camilla
Vasquez has and we heard a
little bit on the ros.pe
But amber heard is not giving
in your your thoughts on where
this is going and how it's
going for both sides.
>> I think
again that her amber heard's
team is doing her a disservice
by not just telling her can see
to the small point
and that will absolutely take
the steam out of Camille as
cross exam the nation, it's
because amber heard is getngti
into an argument with
Camille during cross
examination in front of the
jury
those 2 just conceding no she
doesn't have photographs no
shooting captures you know she
didn't take pictures of her
injury and
moving on she keeps arguing and
that is showing the jury that
she has a tendency to be
argumentative even when she
heard the audio recording esh
wouldn't just concede a
small point she kept trying to
bring out what her perspective
of the audio was and I think
that's used. It she's just
doing yourself a disservice on
the stand
I think that Camille is trying
to take back control of her
cross examination from the
ctions asking for sidebar
because she doesn't want this
to be take away from what shse'
doing and what she's bringing
up. The amber heard sohe s
saying let's go inside of our
house, the discussions as
opposed to having the back and
forth with the attorneys in
onfrt of the jury which is a
smart move.
>> It during this cross, the
allege
bottle rape in Australia was
brought up your thoughts in the
way that it was brought upnd a
how the rating. The wall it was
insinuated Miss heard may have
written at least one of those
phrases the Carly Simon one.
How is that handled in your
view by MS. Vazquez.
>> I think miss Vasquez today
get an
excellent job and she's she's
been on fire throughouthist
cross examination and I think
she handled the bottle
situation, the writing in the
audio by comnibing all of that
together she was
able to undermine amr'sbe
credibility anind
doing so.
>> She she's essentially giving
the jury the option of
deciding is all of what miss
her to does it all make sense
to you or can you see the
cracks can you see the flaws
can you see the fact that this
looks fabricated and I can't
see into the mind
the jurors but just more I'm
sitting it does seem to me that
this pass kuz is doing such an
excellent job on this to the
jury has to say you know wt.ha
>> this extended
sidebar will here is a slip
that a commercial break so and
Robinson thanks as always for
your time and your expertise
this morning helping us get
through this we'll get a break
in here as we approach theop t
of the hour and we
when wcomee back we'll
be more examination bill
Vasquez going after amber heard
is amb
>> I welcome back to courto t
be live. We want to
get you right back into the
courtroom for the continuation
of the cross examination of
amber heard will pick it up
right after that sidar.eb
>> So you write misheardo t
doctor Callan I feel so lost
accounts talk, I don't know if
I'll ever be able to change.
>> And I said it clearly can't
figure this out meaning the
relationship.
Your text messages clearly I
can't figure this out I feel so
lost right now.
Wh Iat was saying to him I get
hurt this has hurt that's not
my queion.st
>> The text just text that was
what you
tax it clearly I can't figure
this out I feel so lost right
now that's that's what we say
okay.
>> Attorney can just for
clarification so those 2 next
lines did come and they are in
the okay all right, thank you.
Mister you contend that there's
another incident of abuse in
Marcofh 2015 after you and
Mister Depp returned from
Australia is that correct.
That's correct. And this is
incident took place on
3/23/2015. That's correct and
the supposedly occurred in the
penthouse at the Eastern
Columbia building.
You had found text messages
between Mister dopp
another woman right that is
correct see confronted him
about cheating on you.
This was about 2 weeks after
you had returned from
Australia.
So this is shortly after Mister
dopp supposedly sexually
assaulted you with a bottle
right.
It was 2 weeks after he
assaulted me, yes we decided to
confront him about cheating on
you. I I didn't decide to li.fe
Mister dusting or was freshly
injured at this point right
here the cast on it. The top of
his right finger had been cut
off 2 weeks prior.
He had a penance finger true.
I don't reca illn the pen was
place, is at'
skin graft. I'm not quite sure
yet several different
procedures and they were kind
of spread out over a perd ofio
time so I don't remember
what happened in one of those
actually procedures was to
treat them or set that got on
his finger to write at some
point I knew he had an
infection. Miss right hand was
an abandoned train that was
casted.
So it's your testimony ttha
Mister Depp was able to attack
both you and your sister whit
his hand in that state right
that is correct. He had a hard
plaster cast on it.
Debbie Lloyd was present in the
penthouse is when Mister Depp
supposedly attacked you it's
not correct. That's correct.
In fact you claim that Mister
Depp through a red bull can't
miss Lloyd that evening.
Yes, that's correct. And you
put in a sworn statement to
that effect in the UK case
right that is correct. That's
not true is .it
You know what a depositions i
right mustard I've had several
yes, you know, it's when
someone provides testimony
under oath.
Near where that Miss Lloyd was
deposed in connection with this
case correct that's true.
And misslo Lyds deposition
testimony was played earlier in
this trial all right I'm good
take and we approach all right.
>> Okay another
sidebar the continuation of the
cross examination. This is day
2 of you just joining us who
MR. I she came out swinging ddi
could
build it.
>> Ask as and has been going
toe to toe with the ever heard
all
morning long. And so far ever
does is answering each and
every one of these questions
but one would argue that there
are blows being delivered via
e quthestioning and the
supporting documents
being pridoved by Camille
Vasquez looks like the side
bars broken up let's go
back in.
>> Deposition misheard you know
it's when someone provides
stimony under oath
right that's correct your where
the Miss Lloyd was supposed
connection with this case
that's correct. And so it's
deposition testimony was played
earlier in this trial.
Yes, so you heard miss Lloyd
testify der unoath Mister Depp
never threw a can of red bull
at h.er
I can't if she didn't run if
she did.
>> Recall that or is she said
it didn't happen. I don't
remember.
I vaguely said she didn't
recall anything.
So it's your testimony that
Miss Lloyd wood r.fo
>> Get that Mister Depp very
famous patient of hers threw a
can red bull that nearly Mister
according to year's version of
events.
>> To be fair I just don't
remember if she said when she
testified that she didn't
recall that incident or if it
didn't happen, I don't remember
at she testified to but I
have a big sense and she didn't
recall much at all.
She testified in this
courtroom. Mister dopp never
threw a can read the letter.
That was her testimony wasn't.
I don't recall what her
testimony was with regar tods
that one
incident now you actually filed
a complaint against this Lloyds
nursing license right before
she was supposed to be deposed
in this case didn't you.
>> No I don't I don't believe I
did were you aware that someone
filed a complaint against
Floyd's nursing license in
connection with her care of
Mister dept for failing to
report abuse. No I had no eaid
in the first person to let
you know that to testimony
under oath that was new that is
my has money I didn't even know
about that now.
Travis mcgivern was also
present Mister Depp's posley
talk to you correct. Iatn
some point.
You heard his testimony that
was actually you punch. Mister
Depp isn't that right. It's
always been my own testimony
that I hit Johnny and and you
throwing things thatR. M
I
hit him.
>> Defense of my sister I
didn't have anything to throw
at him I never thr aewnything
at him. I hit him when he
attacked me and my sister
specifically when he movedor f
her. That's what hit him.
S>>ince your testimony under
oath you through nothing at
Mister dopp Mister mcgovern's
line.
I have thrown things I John I
know we're not not
a A and that you think not that
acute not not on that occasion
that your testimony Mister
mcgovern imagine that you were
throwing things that Mister
dopp from
the mezzanine level down
towards where Mister dopp and
Mister mcgovern for sending 20
certainly wasn't going to say
about his client.
It's
hard you Mister dopp kepat
journal together didn't you.
You wrote each other messages
in that journal right that is
tr.ue
If we could please pull a
plaintiff's exhibit, 91.
Only
going to be showing certain
portions of this so if we could
please call this plaintiff's
exhibit,
this is the journal that you
and Mister dopp kept with chea
other in electronic
form correct. That is correct
and if you can scroll through
these arale l entries you made
in the journal correct.
I'm going to move for the
admission of plants exhibit And
I've gone ahead and redacted
Mister Depp's writings as on
hearsay grounds, I'm determined
we're okay.
>> Welcome back tour
continuing coverage on it
versus amber heard it is day 2
of the cssro examination of
amber heard want to pick you
pick it up right where we left
off after that sidebar let's
get you back into court.
>> You could please publish
this to the jury.
91 in evidence thank you ove
objections.
This is a picture that's on the
inside cover of love notebook.
This is a picture of you Mister
Depp that's correct. You're an
Australian this picture aren't
you. Yes, that's much later
once we returned.
You can see that Mister De'spp
right hand is bandage right.
Yes that correct that was after
it had recovered significantly
that's not what it looked like
during the incident were just
talking abt.ou
So is the picture after the
events in Australia March of
2015 credit. Yes, a photograph
was taken months later. We have
the jury look at tha
photograph again plee.
Let's now turn to page. 3
This is you wrote in the
journal to Mister dopp correct.
That's a looks like s.ye
This is actually the first know
you wrote him in this jourl.
I don't remember what the first
it w.as
The date on this note is
5/22/2015 that that is correct
that
was done your honeymoon period.
This is just a little bit over
2 months after the events in
Australia in March of 2015.
All right. That's correct.
We were back even face that was
the period of brsoiety is book
that yesterday when Mister Depp
after Mister Duff had allegedly
assaulted you with a
bottle right. It was after the
stairs and it was after the
Australian todayye, s, and he
got clean and sober and we went
back to Australia. It's also 2
months after. Mister you punch
Mister debt because you
allegedly thought he was going
to do your sister down the
stairs right I hit him whehe
swung at
my sister and this is written
months later, yes, you thohtug
he was
going through. Your sister down
the stairs like he had thrown
Kate Moss down the stairs right
he swung at Whitney and I I
heard a rumor. A big rumor
about that. And so it's what I
thought .of
Its first message to Mister
Depp in your journal you rig.
True love isn't about just the
madness of passion or instead
picking the satyfe
of peace. Now it's about having
both falling madly in love wit
your for
and that is what has surpris
me perhaps most that I have
seen in you the true bones of
friendship and respect but of
course I still perhaps mor
than ever want to rip you
apart. Devour you and savor the
taste front not.
Yes to love them.
I read that correctly yes you
did your slim right th'sat
corrt.
I'm not going to ask you to
take a look at the very last
entry Road in Stern which ses
to be from April 8th.
That would be
4/8/2016 correct. I'm not quite
sure I don't see the year
written on there and I don't
recognize it. Yeah.
Would be a couple weeks April
and could be a couple weeks
before your birthday right
that's correct just to confirm
this is you wrote to Mister
dopp right. That's going to
guess and on the second page of
the snow you wrote the
followg.
I'm sorry I
can get crazy, I'm sorry I hurt
you like you I can get with it
when I'm hurt when I fee
provoked shattered. And la
night I was I felt abandoned
about lily rose thing will
absolutely be will dirt about
you're not coming home omyn
last night here.
I was heartbroken and any
after many attempts in vain on
my part to rectify the
tusiation and make amends on
them last night what was
otherwise a court to strip with
you, I'm so sorry for my part,
none of this is meant to be an
excuse for hurting you because
the truth is
nothing is there's never
reason good
enough to are you are you are
the last thing the whole world
he deserves it last pers Ion
ever meant to hurt. I lo
you Steve I'm forever, yours
slim that I read that correctl
that's correct.
Mister let's take a look at
defense exhibit 4 to 3 which i
already in evidee.
This is a picture of you with
what appears to be straight d
marks on her arms, correct.
Those are scars from the bron
glass. And there are straigh
and red right I disagree with
how you characterize But they
are red yes and there on your
left arm. Yes, that's correct.
Sir do you have a history of
cutting yourself don't you I do
not.
You cut your arm one says the
teenager is not right noI
said I wanted to when I was on
birth control pills and I was a
teenager right. I thought crazy
and I said I felt suicidal.
It's your testimony under oath
that you didn't report t
doctor Hughes you're
retained psychologist that you
had cut yourself as a teenager
once I said I told my mom that
I wantedo. t
It certainly heard some
testimony from yesterday autbo
a trip you and
Mister day took on a train in
Southeast Asia to recall ttha
yes that's correct. That was
when Mister dopp went on yr
honeymoon tree correct that's
correct. And that was in July
of 2015.
Yes, that sounds right, let's
take a look at plaintiff's
exhibit 1, 6, 2, which is
already in evidence.
You are here in this courtroom
right misheard when Malcolm
Conley testified to taking thi
picture.
That's correct. This is the
picture this picture shows an
injury to Mister Depp's face
doesn't I disagree.
I've seen is that sure Mister
of the church. Thanks for and
you just got injured
in it, he's on injured in this
picture that your testimony
find this one Photo shots
heard. Have your answer thank
you.
This is the
only photograph from her
honeymoon shows someone with an
injury correct that's not true.
We haven't seen any photos of
injuries to her face train trip
have we I don't believe my face
was injured on that trip.
Let's take a look at the
exhibit page 46 going backo t
love journal
This is a no from you to Mister
Depp right that is correct.
This is not you wrote on
7/22/2015.
It starts off with the words my
husband, happy honeymoon right
Not a look at places exhibit at
page 67.
This is another note from you
too Mister Depp in your journal
right that is correct and is
one is dated 8/1/25.
You've held this book sthoage
long enough. Although I can't
wait to read my note I also
couldn't wait to tell you ho
much I
adore you. What a beautiful
extraordinary magica
memorable,
wonderful stunning
surprisingly balding
and impulsive I'm sure I
couldn't have imagined a more
corgis honeymoon. I love you
more and more every passing
day.
But I read that right that i
correct.
At the journal entry startin
on page .
This is another enytr
from y.ou
Writing to Mister dopp right
that is correct and this once
dated August 2nd. That is
correct yes.
This one is a longer one so
let's go to where it ends on
page 17 of the journal.
I hope good thing said an anger
and pain were just tt.ha
And that you miss and lovee
too.
Is what matters
most to u yomay say you stand
by everything you said and did
and that there is nothing you
can learn
from them. Yes, but I don't
feel that way and it's
important for me that you know.
I love you and I'm sorry I miss
my warm loving husband xx limb
And sad the word sad cost op.
Next we have a
journal entry from you opan ge
89
This is another note from yo
to Mister Depp that is correct
the whole book is love notes
So this is dated August 15th.
And here you write quote.
I love you more than anything
else are we that uncomfortable
with being gone well where
we scared or is it something
else I don't know. I'm surof
one thing and if it's that
I can imagine living, but I
can't imagine my life without
you I velo you I will do
better, I'm soy.rr
I read that correctly that is
correct.
Her testimony this is a lot of
journal that is correct it was
primarily love notes and a
all of the notes from you
Mister Depp the book was mor
of a love note and part
of the.
>> Communication obviously
since we thought so much Ias
important for me to.
You know try to nurture as much
peace as we possibly could and
when things are good they were
really good.
>> It was also an opportunity
for you to apologize to MR.
Dot for
your behavior.
>> Isn't it. I think it's
important in every relationship
to apologize when you're tryg
to move past bites.
>> Let's look at an entry from
8/17/2015 starting on pa 90.ge
Here you write quote, I'm sorry
I shook the wheels so hot and
I'm sorry we tested the shocks
and brakes.
Of which there are many let me
try to fix this. Let me try
patch this.
Let me try to make your heart
better you deserve it how maybe
even
I .do
>> I need you we need each
other.
>> You're my cornerstone my
heart my all your my life.
I hate it when we fight I hate
having you hurt, I hate th
you're hurting. I love you more
than anything let me prove iI
need you I love you, sli
>> I read that correctly yeah,
another example of me tryingo t
fix it. So he's trying to fi
it.
Fix it by apologizing for your
bad behavior, I tried
everything I try to apologize
in the trade reangdi
a try their purpose I tried
everything fix it you couldn't
change like you told doctor
Cowan right I couldn't change
my relationsp.
Let's talk about 12/15/2015
agn.
The person or saw you 2 days
after the incident on
12/15/2015 is
not right. She did not see me
as a medical visit she just
dropped off ments in the leat
at night. She saw you
personally though she
physically saw me but doot n
see me in a medical sense, the
way a doctor might see the
patient. She did not see min
that way.
She was your personal nurse
right. She was a nurse assigned
to me I didn't I her jaw
need it. She was signed to you
and so when she would see you
it would be physically i
person in your home and
traveling correct. Sheould
sometimes see me as
a cull professional woodnd
other times she would just draw
from it and physically see me
like as in with her eyes.
Testified that during the
incident on 12/15/2015 MR.
That broke the bed.
And more specifically
to school I loved that he broke
the bed frame with his foo
while trying to get purcha.se
ask as.
Let's get back into the cot.ur
>> Let's take a look at
defendant's exhibit 5, 09,,
which is already in evidence.
Police have not published
the jury thank you
Sir this is a picture that you
indicated depicts a brokenat b
right that's exactly it.
with his boot. I did.
>> Pocket knife on theed b
there.
>> I cannot tell what's on
that. Did you use that to
dama.ge
Johnny's that did when he was
punching me. I could feel him
slipping.
The study also testified that
there was blood all over the
pillows on the bed correct.
On the pillow talk. Yes, thas
correct.
But you can take a picture that
though did you I did not take a
picture of thi
About a week
after the December 15 2015
incident you went with Mister
Geffen's children to the
islands of the Bahamas is atth
correct. To celebre
The.
>> The incident was on the 15th
and we went on the 20's
surgically.
While you're there you did a
photo shoot with Gggre
Williams correct. A few days
later think the photo shoot was
about 2 weeks after isth
assault. Let's please pull a
plan to exit9. 9
>> This is a photograph of you
and Mister Depp's Island
shortly after
12/15/2015 correct.
>> I know this was taken weeks
later.
On the island on that trip it
was taken on the island on that
trip, ye
December
15th travel to the island
December 23rd that'sha wt it's
not my recollection that this
picture was taken on New Year's
Eve or the first day of th
year I think New Year's Eve.
And this is the photo shoot
with Gregg Williams.or Crect
that is correct.
We moved to admit and publish
note action alright, 99, the
pump
Zoom in to miss her face.
Let's please pull up lest
exhibit, 1.
Want to move to admit and
published.
You know, Jack right 100 and
evidence published
Mister this is another picture
of you from that photo shoot
cracked.
>> Yes, this is the same photo
shoot that you asked me about
earlier and this Several weeks
later.
>> If we could zoom in on this
heard's face.
Let's please pull up into the
exhibit 1, 01,
And I'm going to move to aitdm
and publish any objection I can
we just have fun nation first.
This is pia cture from the
photo shoot misheard it was
taken on the island. This is
the same photos, yes, than no
objection. Our arwa evidence
could punch.
You could please scroll zoom an
excuse me time on this ear
space.
Her testimony MS. Heard that
you were wearing makeup for
this photo shoot thaist
correct it's of ocean.
You could please pull
exhibit 1, 0, 2,
Misheard is this anoth
picture from the photo shoot.
I can't exactly tell from the
back on it looks like it the
same thing, but I can't really
tell without
it being. Now this is a picture
of you that right, it is a
picture of me S new move to
admit
and publish any objection, I'm
not going to check forhe
identified herself, I just.
enWh it was
taken that this is Jack I know
that you know just okay there
we go one '02 in evidence to
publis
Let's please pull up into the
exhibit 1, 0, 3,
Mister this is yet another
picture of you from that Gregg
Williams photoshoot correct
that is correct.
This is from the same sheet a
move to admit and published an
object or one of 3 evidence of
fish.
And again if we could zoom in
on this road space.
And finally if we could please
pull up point is exhibit 1, 0,
4,
Miss heard this is a picture of
you for that photo shoot
correct.
Again this is the same boaor
ship weeks later.
I'm going mtoove to
admit and publish the objection
your honor I for evidence thank
you.
Again if we could zoom in on
this for its face.
You testified that you and
Mister Depp got into a fight
while on the island December of
2015 correct.
That's correct. This all
started because you perceive
Mister dopp is nodding off
during the trip
right I thought he was passing
out again in a similar fashion
to what he hadhe T
previous year. And when
he nodded off he spilled wine
on you correct. Yeah, 2,, 3
times in a row.
He testified that mistress deaf
son, Jack was there when this
happened right at the beginning
he was tre.he
Mister Depp allegedly
spillewid ne on you 2 or 3
times right he was there for
that because he offered me
help.
He also testified that Mister
death and sexually assaulted
yoinu the bathroom.
He testified that after th
you need to get away from him
right. That is correct so
you're out of the House that's
correct.
You admit, you threw something
at him right. I did there
something in him to get away.
Seven's courtroom when Taar
Roberts testified
right MS. 3rd I did it s'she
Mister Depp's manager onhe t
island. Yes, that's correct you
heard her testify that she
witnessed an argument between
you and Mister dopp on the
island December of 2015 rit.gh
Yes, that's correct. Yes,
you heard her testify that
Mister Depp was trying to
escape you right.
I don't know which I don't know
she characterized it like that,
but that was the gist of it she
she
kind of misrepresented to CD
like that. Yes she
misrepresented it how can be
that's correct. Okay and then
you kept apologizing to Mister
dopp right that's what no
that's not right said.
Begging him to come back to the
House with you that's no
correct. Klein at him.
She used those words that's not
correct when she interrupted us
Johnny had me by the hair
yelling at him.
We were
reaming both of us, but I
don't knowhat w
and that he she observed
an injury on Mister dust knows
from something tt hayou threw
it right, I don't know what she
observ.ed
You also heard miss Roberts
testified that she included all
this information in a sworn
statement in the UK may of 2020
is not right. That is correct.
You put in a witness statement
in response to miss Roberts
statement in June of 2020 is
t correct. In
the UK. I made several I did I
think 7 witness statements and
each one contained different
information
as per recent filings that's
at Council has you do and not
and in response to a previous
fine, correct.
Including testimony from people
that contradict your story sort
of so what you have to do is
your counsel asked you to
respond.
>> Things and you put it in a
declaration of sorts and that
happens back in
4th over the course of
preparing to go to trial in
that country and that's
what I.
>> And so that was your 5th
witness statement submitted in
the UK.
I don't recall which one I was
asked to comment on terror
Roberts asked all remind
we could have done this for its
5th witness statement from the
U K.
Before we go right where we
left off.
>> Direct your attention is
heard to page 6 of your 5th
witness statement.
It's here that you descre.ib
The December 2015 and sento
correct on the island.
>> I haven't read through the
statement was something I had
commented on it before. In a
previous witness statement aI
said there were several.
t Bustarting on page 6 misheard
you descrid.be
The incident that took place on
the island correct that's
correct. But what I'm trying to
say is I'm not sure if I
describe it in full and eth
statement. Want to show u.yo
Your confidential scheduled to
the 5th witness statement, the
company the 5th with
statement in the UK.
The confidential scheduledo t
your 5th witness statement.
One on page 21.
You describe Mister dopp
sexually assaulting you in the
Bahamas in December 2015 right.
And that's the first time you
ever claimed. Mister Depp had
sexually assaulted you in the
Bahamas. That is incorrect.
The only submitted the
confidential schedule in the UK
claiming MR. Depp had sexually
assaulted you after miss
Roberts dha
said that she saw you on the
island chasing Klein that
Mister Depp is not correct tha
is incorrect.
We could please pull out plan
to exhibit 3, 9, 4
This is another recording I can
represent to the court this
only contains Mister Depp dan
heard's voic.
I'm going to move to admit the
entire recording, I'm only
going to play from one 174
through one
20 2.
>> A rllight into which which
plan to fix to the 9, 3, 9, 4,
I inthk I have to object all
right, I'll go with that all
right 3, 9, for now but than
>> Hence screaming when I spill
wind accidentally on you.
For falling asleep. Meaning in
front of my kids and freaking
let's y.
I don't need your.
You're clever of.
Come back
>> Using who can show the news
of character you think you've
been showing you sure so carle
especially
>> Making me dizzy.
Not She says.
>> You'rdisce ussing what
happened the Bahamas in
December of 2015 right.
We're discussing a part of it.
You're discussing when you
screamed at Mister Depp in
front of his children, know we
were talking about. A partf o
that argument,
including wins screamed at
Mister death in front of his
children that's not a fair
characterization of atwh
happened.
Mister Depp says you're
screamed at him when he
accidently spilled wine on you
correct I realize that's what
Johnny said, yeah Mister Depp
tells you that this freak out
his son, Jack.
Johnny often use other people
to back him up and arguments.
Don't seem too concerned about
that to you I had a lot of
concerns. You know seen you
know
Mention Mister Jeffs
sexually assaulting you in this
recording to was not the poi
of that conversation if
I had gotten into the details
what happened to me with him
would have been in a fight.
You just accused Mister Depp of
quote using his kids rig.ht
And that record on issues otr
people, yes.
And you challenge him to find a
woman who will not quote jump
up and scream she has enbe
spilled on 3 times wrote route
that is coecrrt. Not a woman
who would put up with sexual
abuse right. I was pointing out
of
the ridiculous the nature of
him expecting not to react to
something not basic.
But the speak good time for a
break, I'm right we can do tt
that
thank you.
>> At least you let's going
take a morngni recess for 15
minutes do not discuss the case
with anybody don't outside
research will see 15 okay.
>> Can I conclude the morning
session as we watch amber heard
standing.
Wondering likely how this jury
as they
file out.
>> Is absorbing all of wtha
they've se.
>> So far in the
cross examination Camille
Vasquez going toe to toe with
amber heard Eric prayers bnee
watching along with us. He's in
Davenport, Iowa. All right what
at do I We're we're through
the morning session.
>> We certainly
saw some very interesting cross
exam today. I think the jury
has to be soaking that
in and is t'hard to see how
this was a good morning for MR.
Throughout
the entire Ross, it seems this
pass kuz has been showing
her leading her where she wants
to leave her and I think the
jury is going well they're
they're going to be a seeing
things in
a a like unfavorable misheard
in favorable to misstep
everything from how
they explored. The aioud
recordings, the pictures.
It's just hard to see how a
jury is going to.
Look back on this morning and
not be swayed and Mister Depp's
directn.
>> We'll ask is is is
obviously extremely She is
confident in the courtroom and
is going toe to toe with
amber heard is there anythgin
that amber heard can do.
When you have a freight train
like this coming at you.
What would you advisor during
this little break that the
have.
>> Hopefully for
shmieard Saker Council is
taking some time
tell her to not try to fight
every little point you know
when it the answer is clearly
yes to say yes when the answer
is
no Saint oh don't you know make
it such a battle a huge point
don't be so argumentative
because that just doesn't come
across well to
the jury. So I say that would
be kind of a starting point for
them
Facial expressions
also some of the facial
expressions misheard he's been
making I don't think favorlyab
upon her to
the jury so I imagine there's
going to be some discussion
about that as well.
>> And again as a very short
period of time that they have
here too
>> Get a little bit of
a break from the from Camille
Vasquez how deadlys i
taking place. Right
have this little
break a look at a time out in
the football game sort of
reorganize or a basketball game
Eric prayer, thank you so much
for your expertise this morning
watching along with us. We
truly appreciate it. We ar
approaching the top of the
hour.
>> When we return we'll get you
back into the courtroom after
the conclusion of the morning
break. Julie grant will
be here. To steer us he joins
us now in the studio and Julie.
>> Cool
Camille Vasquez.
>> Right either Ted yeah, it's
like watching rocky 4.
>> Isn't it. I mean this this
is just such a fight between
these 2 and there are these
moments right where where you
see amber heard you want to
like just.
>> Concede just concede
and then.
>> The whole time I think her
legal team is doing henor
favors Ted the way they're not
objectin
>> said
>> earlier she came out like
Mike Tyson dressed as
Olivia pe.op
>> Yeah, very cute very your
right to it and we'll ese
>> be able to survive
this and indoor it were steps I
take a break Julie will be here
right after the break and we'll
get you back in the courtroom
right after this this is Court
TV your front row seat to
>> That's a knife you gave to
the man who was hitting uyo
right misheard.
I was worried he was going to
stab you with that I give it to
him that's for certain. But you
gave it to him while he was
abusing you allegedly gave it
to me that year.
>> Well this is quite a fight
going down between amber heard
and Johnny Depp's
atrntoey come Vasquez welcome
to court TV live your front row
seat to justice I'm your midday
stho
Julie Grant so we have heard is
on her second day of cross
examination right now this has
been quite a
contentious battle and if you
ask me her attorneys aren't
dog heinr many favors not
helping her much as she's up
there on the witness stand.
Undergoing a very aggressive
cross let's go back in right
now exactly where we left off.
>> Sir you've testified
repeatedly that you are
concerned about Mister Depp
substance use turn your
relationship right.
And but you weren't concerned
enough to stop using drugsnd a
alcohol yourself
for you. I did not use drugs
when I was with Johnny like in
his presence aside from the
Times I testified about that
too.
>> So you weren't nccoerned
enough to stop using drugs and
alcohol.
The Times you testify to
confront history right. IAs
testified to earlier I took
drugs in Johnny's presence on
those 2 occasions. Early in our
relationship in 2013.
So you never change around
behavior to support Mister Depp
and his sobriety
did you I did a lot of changing
to support his sobriety I tried
everything that I could
possibly
think of but you drink wine
around Mister death on a
regular basis cracked I didn't
drink wine and you took Mister
Depp to Hicksville to do quote
laffy drugs
like mushrooms and quote right
that's correct. And you
testified that despite wtha
supposedly happened
in Hicksville you decided to
take MDMA with Mister Depp on a
plane to Russia in June of
2013, correct as I mentiedon
those the 2 occasions.
He testified that this is the
last time you would make that
mistake right that is correct.
And when asked if you would kas
Mister dap to get you.
And DNA in Australia, you said
that was quote ridiculous ritgh
that is correct because you
have learned her lesson the
hard way on the plane to
Russia. Russia yes, that's
correct.
Yours and Mister Jeffs wedding
in the Bahamas was in February
of 2015 right that
is correct. So that would have
been after the Russia ightfl
yes, when I did.
When we had mushrooms on the
island for my
him part. My what bridal party
before we were not with Johnny.
I was not with Johnny the time.
Was your wedding with Mister
Depp on the island right to be
clear we were both on the same
Island we just we're around
each other that evening wead h
kind of step parties bridal
party and the greens party.
And your wedding was a month
before Australia, corrt.ec
A new range to have drugins
your wedding Like I said we had
much rooms on for my bril
party beforehand.
On the island for your wedding
before the wedding.
On the island, yes they split
latest exhibit 1, 2, 6, 2,
This is an e-mail you sentn o
2/1/2015 corre.
I'm going to move to
admit and published plaintiff's
exhibit 1, 2, 6, 2 any
objection.
>> All right since we have a
little bit of time it seems
here I want to bring in my
guest for some analysis joining
me in Saint Paul Minnesota,
criminal defense attorney and
former prosecutor Jack Rice is
on the show Jack good to have
you along
with me. I'm anxious to get
your take on day 2 of eth
cross.
>> You know what I think amber
heard could do herself a lot of
favors by just acknowledging
her limitations.
>> The problem is is every
slight
that's what des team that's
what Depp's lawyer is doing
going after every slight even
small ones because what she's
really doing is chipping away
slowly neighbors credit Realty
every single time
that happens and amber heard
actually fights back wchhi
actually country really even
more you build a benefit to
doing that is that when you cut
somebody is credibility ouarnd
the edges. It makes you
doubt everything else and I
think the jury is watching this
and wondergin
do we believe anything she says
because she's being confronted
absolutely buy things that that
aren't true
and she can't even acknowledge
that's a problem. I agree with
you, Jack, you know I
have to.
>> Criticisms really of the
herd team in one of them goes
to the point you just mention
and that is witness
preparation. They are to have
prepared her they had all ekwe
to prep pair her for this
right egg. This should heav
been such an easy job for emth
to help her and to understand
that look you don't fight on
ery single question you're
asked fight where you need to
fight explain wheryou e need
to explain. But concede what
should be conceded and you're
right every time she she
puts up a fight and won't
concede it's chipping away and
chipping away ater h
credibility, Jack.
>> But maybe the question
is always there there is
whether or not they didn't
spend the time to actually
prepper enough the other
possibility here is that she's
incredible meaning that they
can't control their weight, yes
and they can't control
their client that happens to
where they decided that eyth
know better than everybody else
I've seen this on both sides
where on the one West to do all
the prepping but at the same
time. There may be a
circumstance where no matter
what I do. They are the ldwi
card. They will go down path
that is just tears as well I
just don't know which one it
is.
>> Right, yeah, I know we may
never know because you know
we're not it's
not represent in her were tno
on either team or not on team
heard were not on team de Pere
team Court TV here we call and
strikes and we have people like
you Jack Rice to come on and
help us do it. My second
itcricism of her
team is they need to be
protecting her more on the
witness stand and I know you
know all about that Jack
because you teach
trial advocacy like I do and
part of your job as an advocate
when you got to tnwiess up
there's
protected them from a cross
examination, especially one
that's as aggressive as this
one.
>> Yeah, no question about it
we think about this you need to
meco back with asked and
answered this is repetitive in
some ways you to be able to
slow down. The opposing counsel
that's what
earlier should be doing ritgh
now there's also an
argumentative aspect to this I
remember when Camille desks i
actually dropped how convenient
my response is I'm on my ftee
because that's really
important too.
>> Exactly it would be exactly
it's argumentative it's also
testimony from Council and you
make a motioton
strike and you requester
honored to instruct the jury
to disregard that that's what
Jack rice and I would have done
if we were Council, let'gos
back in now that little paws is
over.
>> And if we could pleeas
have misheard email published
to the jury are 1262 i
evidence.
This is the schedule for you
wedding weekend
right MR. No it's not it's a
proposed draft of a scheledu
ended up being
quite different. We'll see
where it says 07:00PM rehearsal
dinner.
And the next item on the
list says quote after danc
party and drugs and music.
So you plan to have drugs that
your wedding to someone yo
characterize the drug addict.
>> To be fair we were gointo
have separate.
>> Parties as I mentioned
bridal
party before this the schedule
ended up changing quite a bit
and this is a draft clearly
that was
sent before. There are a lot of
changes made the bridal sortf o
some sort.
>> Your original idea was to
have a rehearsal dinner with
your husband, the drug addict
the monster. And then do drugs
with your girlfriends on the
island after rehearsal dinner.
>> I realize that's what the
email suggests that that wasn't
now a plant withts i
adjustments heard what you sdai
in that e-mail right but what
I'm sure.
>> It is is that the schedule
changing we ended up doing the
little so why do we have
driver. Yeah very dear original
idea.
>> I was to do drugs on an
island after rehearsal dinner
to
the drug. Field monster that
you are about to marry rhtig
the the as email suggests there
were there was going to be we
need on the island. This does
not reference the couple that I
just referenced to you.
You want to drive on special
occasions rightness or I have.
And you did drugs again r
your
30th birthday right that is
correct I was a huge mistake.
The 30th birthday dinner was on
4/21/2016. Yes, it was day a
before my birthday correct.
He testified that Mister Dpep
was running late to the
celebration cracked that is
correct us Mister Depp to bring
you alcohol when he arrived
that right so the utility
closet where we kept the wine
was right by
the elevator. And I also told
him he could bringn ia joint I
wouldn't buy his head off if
you did. So that
the yes that's I told him I
wouldn't be angry.
Let's look at Clinton's exhibit
1, 2, 6,, 3
>> Your honor I'm going to ask
to shop for so this one hasn't
been produced in this is not it
is a
brand new traveling to that so
don't have an I'd like an
unredacted copy and then I'd
like an reduction happy to be
shown to the with the
unredacted copy. We can we
can make when you're on okay.
Not even be approached about
this.
>> Okay so that's concerning
that amber heard's team is
saying they haven't received a
copy.
>> Of wh.at
>> Counsel for Johnny Depp is
intending to cross him heardn o
because there's something
called discovery in trials you
may have heard about that where
ink of it like sharing where
each side odpruces to the other
side what they're going to be
introducing at trial. It's kd
of a rule of fairness.
Something else I want to point
out in and in we obviously
aren't able to interject at
every point during this trial.
But this important point.
I've noticed this multiple
times this morning that Camille
Vasquez talks over
amber heard when amber heard is
testifying and I've been in
front of many judges who wlil
never tolerate that
conduct by a lawyer because
it's very important that the
court reporter takes down every
single part of the answer even
if you're the attorney and you
don't like the answer you t
the witness answer and
this is really on amber heard's
Council to be standing up dan
saying your honor please
strucked Mister Depp's Couilnc
to not talk over the witness,
but they're not doing that so
Camille Vasquez to her cretdi
keeps controlling amber heard
very well on the witness stand
and amber heard's team is not
jumping up and objecting in
trying to control the crsos
examination as they should
looks like they're still at
sidebar let me bring in Jack
Jack you heard the point I w
just making I
know that you you would have
been speaking up the first time
it happened with Council
speaking over the witness.
>> Yeah, I'm the I'm here doing
it comes ufop r you because I
completely agree with you a big
part of this is controlling the
environment and also tryintog
to country
will the opposing counseIl
think that amber heard lawyer
needs to be on their feet they
do a lot more often whether or
not it kind of ask as doestn'
like the answer is sort of
the road but once it starts
rollinoug t I want to hear the
rest of it and from the
perspective of the judge.
The court reporter trying to
right every single word down
that is in possible when you're
stopped when you're talking
over
one another and normally it's
the judge to bite my head fof
when the app.
>> It's exactly Jack here we
haven't heard her honor say
anything
and so if I were opposing count
if I were amber heard's lawyer
I would be jumping up in
requesting the instruction from
the
court too opposing becseau
she'll just continue to keep
doing it.
>> But but Camille is relyal
smart she's the one is that
nobody stopping be guess what
it's in my courtroom, it's not
just it's not opposing counsel,
it's mom.
>> exactly she's going tkeepo
on going I would do
the same saying she's going to
keep on pushing those limits
and tell she is reined in and
looks like she's requeingst
something from one of her.
Legal teammates there onhe
depth team.
I have to say having a week to
prepare for a cross examination
is every trial lawyer's dream.
>> Is it not Jack Rice.
>> usually behind because uyo
finish and
a year 10 hours in the
courtroom, you got to do
another 6 or
8 hours press. And that that
happens afterward because you
have to be able to respond.
It after you hear what you just
heard so you can the whole
thing before heading to get
prepared for it.
>> this cross examinatioisn
very strong and it should be
that way as Council and the
e team has had
a week to prepare It's running
very smoothly up the
>> Thank you for being with us
here in court to be live this
Tuesday. I'm Julie Grant we're
watching death versus heard
playing out
in Virginia. Amber heard is on
the witness stand for the
second day in a row on cross
examine nation, let's go in now
togeerth exactly where we left
off.
>> Any
objection 63s iredacted not
know you're all right well, 63
happened. Thank you thank you.
Ron.
Miss her directing our
attention to the point is it
well 63, this is a text message
that you sent to Mister
Depp correct. That is correct
and and you sent this message
to Mister Depp the day you had
your 30th birthday
dinner right that is correct
you write quote hey baby bring
up something to drink and or a
joint.
I'm in if you are see you in a
minute question mark xx today
read that right that is
correct.
And then the nt exday he went
to coach Alan consumed ndma
motion. All right Mister I did
Johnny was not there for that.
Let's talk a little bit more
about your 30th birthday.
He testified about this
incident multiple times haven't
you that is correct.
But yesterday u yotold this
jury that
you are not called upon to
provide a detailed accounting
of all physical and sexual
abuse by Mister Depp until
February 202
I testified that I had not been
able to do so until February
2020.
>> outside of the context of
the ldco
up such actually I I misspoke
February 2022 this year right
sorry I I did the same thing
you did.
And you did something you did
that in something called in to
Robert Horry is
that correct.
>> The intricate or a response
was the first time that I could
do that outside of the context
of being asked the certain
questions and deposition.
>> And you testified about your
30th birthday in the center of
a Tory correct. I believe
yes.
Nonetheless you testified to
new details, your 30th birthday
for the first time ts
courtroom didn't you.
But no that's incorrect sexual
assault,
no less. I had just not least
when that happened I was never
I was never suref ithat was
the same time he did on eth
night my birthday and I
maintain that well my
deposition you told history
that the evening of your 30th
birthday dinner Mister Depp
well grab you by the
pubic bone pubic area and quote
UNQUOTE push you down right
that is correct.
Details in a year and a roet
or responses at misheard.
That detail is in my
introductory response. Yes.
Well if you're in the repertory
response. We could please bring
up
We can go to your inner rocky
promontory response to ttha
page 57.
These are signed with penalty
of perjury cracked that is
good. You testified again to
isth
jury that this was the first
time you were given an
opportunity to write down
everything include all your
evidence right that is correct
okay, let's go to page7.
At the top of page 57 Johnny
and I were not in a good place
I begged him to makey m
birthday dinner to see that.
Story on page 57 you start
describi yngour birthday dinner
correct that is corrt.ec
Page 59 of your in Iraq, a Tory
response, the righ
4th paragraph down
Johnny grabbing one holding you
down and I remember him asking
me if I thought I was so tou.gh
>> He asked me 3, 4 times up
close to my face you're so suc
a tough
guy home. You think you're so
tough what you can do now stood
up at some point after getting
off the ground.
And then you right
after I remember crying and I
remember feeling exhausted and
frustrated and it hit me
meaning the realization of how
sad it was. But I was going to
wake up tomorrow my birtay
without him.
Where in the center are Tory
response misheard you describe
Mister Depp.
>> Quote grabbing you buy the
pubic bone pubic area dan
pushing down. On page 64
Page oneo t
3 paragraphs down. Johnny
grabbed me wants to this timing
thing side of the bed and Penn
House 3 grab my China, help me
there asked me if I was so
tough.
They're not describing wtha
happened after your 30th
birthday. I am I just had tno
prescribed it to that date the
limited evidence at
the time only in the course of
looking at the evidence
preparing for this case haven't
put those 2 pieces together.
But I've always said what
happened.
You were upset that Mister Depp
was late to your 30th birtayhd
were you
I was.
>> You knew Mister da to
schedule business meeting or
money meetg inthat evening
right.
>> No I knew he said he did I
didn't know if he had won
addicts lie all the ti.
A ticket with a big grain of
salt.
Mister Depp Tech to do that
evening to let you know he'de
late. Yes, he did text me
some point. It was a big deal
to them Mister Depp was late to
your birthday dinner wast.n'
Yeah yeah, it did matter to me
you are upset. He was late, I
was I
was hurt. And when you finally
did arrive, he felt quot
invisible to him.
The day after your birthday
dinner, you and your friends
went to Coachella to celebrate
your birthday correct that
is correct. You made a video
driving to the child with your
friends didn't you that is
correct like to pull a
plaintiff's exhibit one
to 6 4 and for the recd oryour
honor this only music without
any words on it.
And again it's a new one so I'd
like a copy of it it's going t
be played.
There there is no sound other
than a song which yes su.
>> Well I have to say one of
the keys to a great cross is if
you can throw the witness off
balance and that was what I saw
watching this here it seems
very clear that Johnny Depp's
attorney is getting under and
for her and skin a bit you can
tell the way she's answering
even the expression on her face
is changing. Her counsel shodul
have really prepped are on thi
so if you feel
your your nerves are getting to
you or you feel like this is
aggravating retain during uyo
take a deep Brett pause try
to relax gs oein to witness
preparation. Both sides had a
week to do that we're going hit
the pause button we're going to
We're staying with us here on
Court TV live of Julie let's go
back into the courtroom
together now from more of day 2
of the cross examinationf o
amber heard.
>> And if you know your are 12,
>> This is the video you made
when you drove to coach on with
your for your 30th birthday
right. That's correct. I'm not
quite sure which one of us made
the video but that's correct.
You featured in a video driving
that's correct.
And it's set to the song Missy
by the Rolling Stones is that
right. That's correct that was
a message for Mister dopp
wasn't.
You can drugs at Coachella
didn't you.
You took MDMA mushrooms at the
same time I I did yes and it
made you
feel sick. All right I feel
horrible. Yes, so you left
Coachella yes that's corre.ct
Testified
yesterday it yesterday that
when you left Coachella you
left with quote your entire
grp.ou
And you are quote never along
with Starling right that is
correct you weren't anywhere
near him.
We sat here when certain
Jenkins testified that he from
Coachella when you are sick
right he picked up my entire
group. Mister Jenkins
testified quota collected her
got her in the vehicle she
didn't want anyone else to know
that she was sick take her bkac
to
the Parker should I sing was a
reference to the
hotel alone. I took her to a
7.11 where I retreat hydrangti
fluids Advil and let her have
those got her back up to the
Parker, sweet and then went
back to pick up everyone else.
You were there when Mister
Jenkins testified right, yes,
he was wrong that your
testimony that Mister Jenksin
line is just wrong. I don't
know what his intentions are he
says.
>> And about that we were a big
group of us I was on with them.
>> Possible that you don't
remember correctly because you
are sick from taking MDMA
mushrooms at the time. Yeah, I
remember everything about atth
night. Went to play for uyo
plan to see exhibit.
One to 2,
9 which is already in evidceen
at 1720 through 2128.
>> Proceeding homes.
>> Stop the process.
>> That's what really happened
the evening and your 30th
birthday isn't misheard notice
that's incorrect. Mister Depp
was
in bed and and then you came
around the bed and started
punching him that's incorrt.ec
You deny
that in the recording to you
misheard I'm not having that
conversation
with John.
>> I'm not denying anything I'm
not saying anything about
having that conversation with
Johnny I was trying to get out
of that hotel room that was a
mediation attempt that was the
recording just heard was a
meeting in a hotel.
>> You're talking about your
30th birthday know or not
you're not talking about going
to Coachella on John is talking
about that I'm not argue whit
them about any of that.
You know deny anything do I'm
not talking to him about tt.ha
ing Gopublished exhibit or ask
that the witness be shown in
exhibit 1, 2, 6,, 5
>> See you and your friendats
Coachella correct that is
correct the move to admit into
this 1, 2, 6, 5, and
publish it.
>> No detection by 1, 2, 65,,
evidence and publish it.
>> No injuries to you are there
misheard visible in this
picture you cannot see any
visible injury now.
The surge you remember during
Mister Depp's examination, a
number of recordings were
played correct
that's correct. And one of
those recordings you told
Mister Depp.
>> Quote I hope to God, Jack
stop father.
Jack's new stepfather or.
Jack is Mister Dobson right
that
is correct.
>> And I believe that the I was
referencing a marriage of his
ex partner was going to have
we're getting into us fos.lk
>> You for seen
Jack's to stepat-fher would
teach him how to be a man
because Mister Depp could and I
don'ret call exactly what I
said, but it was something to
that effect. Let's listen to
some of what hpeapned before he
said that.
To Mister if we could please
play plaintiff's exhibit, 3, 9,
7, which is alreyad
in evidence for the record it
set 35 0, 4 through 3547nd a
then the next clip,
it's 3635 through 40 are going
to show you.
>> Every bit of this we just
need to hit
a break. One little bit of the
trial speak I want to explain
when you hear the word
publishing here these lawyers
saying it all
the time, your honor permission
to publish to the jury can we
publish this to the jury is
just a fancy way of saying hey
we show this to the jury when I
teach trial advocacy I always
teach the lawyers to use the
word show because.
Folks in the jury box might be
wondering what does publish
needs so there you have ait
little trial speak explained
Welcome back to court to be
live your front row seat to
justice I'm Julie Graham are
watching debt versus heard
plan. Now this is day
number 2 of amber heard on the
witness stand for crs
examination as
we were heading to the Council
for Johnny Depinp dicated that
she wanted to play another
recording you have Mister
moment of it, let's go bactok
court together now
>> You know a moe
>> eventually he would going
stay in one of the other
houses. We call on the cell out
don't yo
I was
expressing frustration autbo
his criticism of my career and
how many problems that caused
within the dynamic of our
relationship. Yes, si com, a
sellout and
a joke. I call them horrible
ugly things as you can hear.
So out the spoke to each other
and I'm really horrible way.
We just heard you speak to him
and really horrible way you
called him a sell out in jus
And you want to sell out right
Mister, I called him a lot
about the kind of joke and
called him a lot about these
things called him a joke on
that recording.
Got you that role commdan
didn't he. No must ask as I got
myself that role b
auditioning.
That is quote your jealousis
so tragic.
I heard him say that yes you
are the jealous when this
relationship where you misheard
I think he was indicatg, I
was jealous of his career.
Now you've twisted it to say
was Mister dot of so jeaus,lo
I'm James always been
very jealous when I worked when
I did anything friends. Yes,
he's always been very jealous.
Certainly not ask you to take a
look at plants exhibit one t0o
This is a series of text
messages between you and Mister
Depp.
I'm going to move to admit and
published thees
text messages. Mister deaf
messages have been redacted any
objection know you're all right
one 20 average published
Starts with a text message fm
you Mister dopp on September
2620 15 right. That is correct.
You write monsters back this is
him I read that right atth
is correct and then in the next
message you write quote ran
away for signed trouble, this
is not the man he promise you
be did I read that correctly
that is correct.
And in the next one downright
promised swore to me you would
.be
Mister you're talking about
Mister dopp running away from
you at the first sign of
trouble aren't you. No I'm I'm
I'm recognizing includest a
this point when he went.
Rit ghaway the for Senate
trouble often that was a clue
for me to know that he was back
using again and now we're abtou
to enter the next phase of the
cycle. You described as rain
away from us. The monster.
That wasn't what wasn't months
of the monsters that
the man who beat me up the
running away was just it it
hatched to that it was a sigan
signal to me as a clue.
>> As somebody trying to P put
together That we were in
turning that into that base.
But in these
messages, MR. In the Easter
isn't Mister Depp doing drugs
isn't it was the man who did
drugs and beat me up yes that's
always been Sir that's not what
you're saying these messages
that is exactly what I'm seeing
in the message. You know
describe Mister Depp being
violent to you.
I do not describe that in this
text message now. So if the
power the monster this time,
.no
Going down the page
right along series of text
messages
to MR. That don't get a
response is that correct that
is correct you right.
>> And continuing on page 77
you're right
its. i
>> Those are some ugly audio
recordings played for this jury
lot of ugly details comingut
they're going to have to do a
lot of sorngti out of all of it