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  • 2 of cross examination of amber

  • heard starting now.

  • >> Good morning Mister morning.

  • Your relationship with MR.

  • That began in October of 2101

  • right

  • that's correct. You previously

  • testified multiple times under

  • oath that the first year of

  • your relationship with

  • Mister dopp was the best of

  • times right to search that is

  • correct. He testified that as

  • far as you could tell

  • Mister Depp was sober atth

  • first year. That is correct

  • that's what he used to believe.

  • Not the first year was quote

  • magic.

  • Yes I estimated it was about a

  • ye.ar

  • But now you've told this jury

  • that Mister Depp was bngei

  • violent with you throughout

  • 2012 having to

  • miss her. No he took a break in

  • the middle of 2012 and he was

  • sober.

  • He was hitting you

  • 1220 though right. He was

  • hitting me in 2012 he just took

  • a break in the mide.dl

  • He was smashing things around

  • you right.

  • You told them that Mister Depp

  • was in and out of sobriety in

  • 2012 and is correct.

  • He told this jury then to quote

  • in 2012, I was in the gibenning

  • stages of this

  • just learning these patterns I

  • was learning that drinking kind

  • correlated with the violence.

  • End quote that right that is

  • correct.

  • So was during the cycles of

  • violence in 2012 that you gave

  • Mister Depp a knife as a gift.

  • I gave him

  • a knife. I think for a birthday

  • prest enearly in our

  • relationship I believe it was

  • around 2012. But I'm not

  • certain. We see a

  • picture of that knife but I did

  • think we should bring out the

  • real thi.ng

  • Master deputy

  • master deputy sheriff Lew idsa

  • police have you. Show the knife

  • to misheard.

  • That's a knife y gouave to the

  • man who was hitting you right

  • misheard.

  • I was worried he was going to

  • stab you with that I give it to

  • him that's for certain. But you

  • gave it to him while he was

  • abusing you allegedly gave it

  • to him that year.

  • Master deputy sheriff Lou sent

  • you please show that knifeo t

  • the jury.

  • This is the night he gave to

  • the man who would get drunk dan

  • violent with you right. This is

  • the same night that gave him as

  • a president in 2012, yes.

  • Now he's heard I'm going to

  • need to talk to you about what

  • happened Australian March of

  • 2015.

  • You testified that at some

  • point during the incident you

  • described you witness Mister

  • dopp bashing phone against the

  • wall right.

  • That is correct you testified

  • that the phone was breakgin

  • into pieces. I was watching

  • it disappear. Mister Depp smash

  • and I think your word was

  • smithereens yes that is

  • corrt.ec

  • And according to your

  • testimony, this is a

  • wall-mounted phone in the rba

  • area that is correct.

  • Let's take a look at denseef

  • exhibit 1, 8, to 0.

  • We believe this has already

  • been admitted into evidence if

  • he could have it publish.ed

  • You saw this photo during uryo

  • direct

  • examination right that is

  • correct you testieifd that the

  • wall-mounted phone that you saw

  • Mister Depp's Nash is on the

  • wall on the left.

  • That's correct. So if you're

  • lookinatg

  • this picture.

  • >> The wall the wall mounted

  • phone and then behind you on

  • the left-hand si odef your

  • show.

  • >> It's not too big to depicted

  • in this photo cracked.

  • >> Whoever took this photo

  • standing right in front of

  • where that mountain from West.

  • The pieces of the phone Mister

  • Depp smashed on in this picture

  • either right.

  • You don't see it because it's

  • whoever took this photo

  • standing in front of that.

  • We're took this photo,t's i

  • Mister Ben

  • King correct. That's what I

  • believe Mister King testified

  • under oath in this trial right

  • atth

  • is correct. And he testified

  • that there was no wall-mounted

  • found smashed to smithereens

  • that he had to replace correct.

  • I didn't hear him testify to

  • that now. The council is ttha

  • it.

  • I disagree with that

  • representation. We also saw

  • this picture.

  • Actually can we please bring up

  • defendant's exhibit 1, 8, to

  • one. Which is also admitted

  • into evidence.

  • We also saw this picture during

  • your direct examination correct

  • that is correct. And so this is

  • the bar area to the right of

  • the wall-mounted fun, you just

  • descrid.be

  • If you are facing in that

  • direction if you're fangci

  • destruction behind you.

  • This phone on the countersnd a

  • the phone the got smashed to

  • smithereens isn't know they

  • brought that

  • it testimony in the UK as well

  • and I said this in the UK trial

  • as well that that is not

  • obviously because owns a smash

  • and it's not wall mound.te

  • So there are 2 phones in the

  • bar area. There there was a

  • wall-mounted phone I don't know

  • if it was decorative or what

  • but it was way like it loodke

  • antique large

  • an antique and and the largest

  • antique e onthat's not depicted

  • in any photograph, including

  • ones you took

  • tishe one that Mister Depp

  • damage correct that is correct

  • I only 2 pictures them years.

  • So there's no picture of that

  • damage from I didn't take a

  • picture of it w.no

  • So back to the phones national

  • you watch this or that smashed

  • the phone right. Thast'

  • correct. I

  • watched it. You testified that

  • you we qreuote watching the

  • phone every single time he

  • pulled his

  • hand back and quote that's

  • correct and according to you

  • this is when Mister dot stlo

  • the tip of the stinger right

  • is my best guess I didn't

  • notice

  • his finger. Come off obviously

  • I smashed the phone and

  • watching the pieces break while

  • he was doing it well it's not

  • your best guess.

  • It's hard that is my next

  • guest, yes, let's go back to my

  • you submitted a declaration

  • under the penalty of perjury in

  • this case to remember not that

  • is correct, let's look at that

  • declaration.

  • Direct your attention misheard

  • to the.

  • Page 14, but the decoration.

  • Is that your signature.

  • Your signature appears rhtig

  • under the statement quote I

  • declare under peltnay

  • of perjury. Under the laws of

  • the state of Virginia that the

  • foregoing is true in crash.

  • That

  • is correct. This is dadte

  • 4/10/2019. Correct now let's

  • look at paragraph 16 which is

  • on page 5.

  • Specifically line 10.

  • Testify under oath.

  • While he was smashing

  • the phone Johnny severely

  • injured his finger cutting off

  • the top of it and quote I read

  • that correctly yes that's

  • corrt.ec

  • So you testified in this

  • urcotroom that after Mister

  • Duff smashed the phone he held

  • you down in the countertop by

  • the neck. Remember that I'm not

  • make sure the exact sequence of

  • things but yes, both of theos

  • things happened.

  • We'll get to the sequence and

  • this is when Mister Depp

  • supposedly assaulted you with a

  • bottle rig.ht

  • On the countertop peaceful to

  • me so Mister Depp was able to

  • get you on the counter rig.ht

  • You know we'd amendment neck

  • and hold you down by your neck.

  • And he grabbed a bottle

  • according to you.

  • By holding you down by the

  • neck cracked right can you

  • clarify what you're asking me.

  • While

  • Mister Depp is holding y bouuy

  • the next against the countertop

  • he grabs a bottle that's

  • your testimony. No those 2

  • things didn't happen athet

  • exact same time now.

  • While he's so he's holding the

  • bottle cited testimonyas w

  • holding down by the neck.

  • What w yasour question.

  • Your testimony is mishrdea

  • that either he has a bottle

  • before or after he's holding

  • him by the neck on the counter

  • that your testimony he how we

  • y the neck on the counter.

  • That he is what he was holding

  • you down by the neck.

  • >> When he was assaulting me

  • with the bottle of his in his

  • hand.

  • >> Was it in his hand before

  • after he holds you down by

  • Turner.

  • >> I was being held down while

  • his soul to be with the bottle.

  • >> When he puts you on the

  • counter does he have the botetl

  • in his hand, yes,

  • or no.

  • >> As I have always said I

  • don't remember exactly what

  • happened first I don't remember

  • the sequence I

  • just remember being aware that

  • I was being assaulted aby

  • bottle while I was on the

  • countertop so he penetrates

  • with this bottle. But you don't

  • know how he got the ball rhtig

  • it is And he did that right

  • after he lost the tip of his

  • right middle finger again.

  • I don't remember the exact

  • sequence of

  • those events we'll get to the

  • sequence and while he was on 8

  • to 10 and the maple llsHi

  • right. Yes.

  • Let's talk about the sequence

  • this is a sequence of events

  • you testified to in

  • this courtroom and he smashed

  • the phone to smithereens and

  • insulted you. Lost the tip of

  • the singer and then assaulted

  • you with a bottle yes that's

  • the sequence of events that uyo

  • testified to in this room to be

  • clear you're putting it in

  • order when you say words like

  • then.

  • I have never claimed that I can

  • remember the exact sequence of

  • these things.

  • This was a multi-day assault

  • that took place over 3 horrible

  • day is hrd weae're seeing her

  • demeanor not time he's heard

  • that's that's not

  • my question. My question is

  • about the three-day assault

  • allegedly that occurred.

  • I'm just talking about the

  • sexual assault that you know

  • allege occurred. Yeah, but

  • let's talk about the sequence.

  • So you testified.

  • Copy of day 16 in front

  • of The 16 yes of my deposition

  • and now of

  • the court transcript from the

  • strike. Oh yes I didn't realize

  • that just yet. Let's look at

  • the transcript.

  • So you testified on gepa

  • getting there 4, 5, 0, 6,

  • And the reason that we need to

  • go through this concert is

  • because we understand that

  • these are very serious

  • allegations that you're making

  • right. I happen to me, yes,

  • okay, so let's go through them.

  • Page

  • 4, 5, 0, 6 flying to through 3

  • I sit here n.ow

  • You testified on page 4, 5, 0,

  • 6, this all started when Mister

  • Depp took 8 or 10 pills of MDMA

  • rit.gh

  • Their attention to page 4, 5,

  • 1, 8,

  • Why 19.

  • You talk about Mister Depp

  • smashing a wall-mounted phe.on

  • Correct that is correct.

  • Then on page 4, 5, 1, 9,

  • At line 3.

  • You testified that while Mister

  • Depp a smashing phone he's.

  • >> My mother thinks.

  • >> And further down on page 4,

  • 5, 1, 9 same page nesli

  • 12 through 19. You talk about

  • how you watch Mister Depp

  • smashed the phone to

  • smithereens. Right.

  • Continuing on the same

  • page 4, 5, 1, 9, line 20 you

  • y something really important.

  • At some point he's on top of me

  • no phone but screening the

  • same thing.

  • >> And quote right just

  • remember the sound yes. You

  • testified to this jury.

  • He didn't have a phone in his

  • hand anymore when he was

  • assaulting that the bottle he

  • had the bottle in his hand and

  • enwh

  • he was punching a wall with the

  • phone in the phone in his hand

  • when he was punching the law

  • makes my head he had me byhe t

  • truck. He did a lot of things

  • at night.

  • >> Cyr knowledge by the

  • sequence, not my words, your

  • words misheard you testified to

  • this jury and Mister Depp

  • smashed the phontoe

  • smithereens before he

  • assaulted you. I have a way

  • that the sequencing whicyouh

  • testified correct. I have never

  • testified to a sequence.

  • Talking about that sequence

  • that on page 4, 5, to one.

  • Starting at line 3.

  • u testified to being bent

  • over backwards on the bar.

  • >> All

  • right sidebar cool so and

  • Robinson Eric per year on a

  • mackerel

  • so an.

  • >> Coming out swinging as like

  • Mike Tyson in dressed as Olivia

  • pope.

  • >> Right exactly and that's

  • that's what she's doing she's

  • drawing the attention away from

  • him I heard to herself so that

  • the jury is

  • focusing on on the content of

  • her questions, she's testifying

  • and giving

  • the jury things to think about

  • through her questions and amber

  • heard still is not conceding

  • even theasic b things that

  • would actually help for this

  • cross examination to go bett.er

  • >> Well I would agree there

  • this cross is already going

  • badly for misheard and it's

  • only getting worse

  • right now bbyeing so

  • argumentative by not a good

  • meeting just simple facts esh

  • is making

  • the jury. trust the rest of her

  • statements or credibility is

  • suffering as

  • a result and even just looking

  • at the gallery here you know we

  • don't see the jury of course we

  • can see the B one.

  • >> The gallery and a lot of

  • them don't seem to be too

  • receptive you can't imagine the

  • jurors are seeing it much

  • differently.

  • >> Let's go back inside our

  • zo.ne

  • >> Directing your

  • attention misheard to page, 4

  • 5, 2, 1, starting at line 3.

  • He testified to being bent over

  • backwards on the bar right that

  • is correct. And then feeling

  • pressure on your pubic bone

  • like Mister Depp was punching

  • you.

  • Yes, that's what I thought and

  • then further down on page 4, 5,

  • to one. And on 2, 4, 5, to 2.

  • You testified that you are

  • concerned Mister Depp was using

  • a broken bottle and you yes.

  • That was my fear. What I

  • remember feeling.

  • It's sort of going to show you

  • defendant's exhibit 1, 8, 1, 6,

  • Just already been admitted,

  • yes. Ma'am thank you. It saw

  • this picture during your dirtec

  • examination right I didn't.

  • And you testified that this is

  • a picture of the bottles that

  • were next Mister Depp on a desk

  • when you found him drinking in

  • the morning. Right thast'

  • correct.

  • This was the morning after

  • Mister Depp had allegeydl

  • sexually

  • assaulted you right it washe t

  • morning after he did assault

  • me. Yes and if I understood

  • your testimony correctly

  • testified that thiiss the

  • makers Mark bottle that Mister

  • dopp sexually assaulted you

  • with I was never sure it was

  • but it was definitely that

  • shape felt like

  • that shape. He testified in

  • this courtroom they have not

  • seen this bottle until Ben King

  • provided these photographs

  • correct. Not of course the

  • trial hadn't seen the

  • photogra.ph

  • You claim you had serious

  • injuries after this alleged

  • incident right misheard.

  • Depends on what you would call

  • a serious

  • for me.

  • >> You know having a sore

  • Johnson At the time of my

  • relationship wasn't that let's

  • testify, let's focus on

  • the testimony that you gave

  • about the injuries.

  • As you testified yesterday

  • wears rings on every finger

  • right, sometimes I

  • mean often and certainly in the

  • later part of our relationship

  • that was more normal than not

  • but if you filming or something

  • like that. Of course is not

  • going to have his own jewelry

  • your testimony.

  • In this trial was quote I don't

  • know if I ever known Johnny not

  • to

  • wear rings.

  • >> Correct you need to put your

  • microphone on miss.

  • Thank you objection, your eye

  • improper impeachment there

  • she's going to ask a question

  • that he has to show where that

  • was through the objection.

  • Thank you.

  • >> Your testimony yesterday was

  • quote I don't know if I've ever

  • known Johnny not to wear rings.

  • Sir that's why testify to yes

  • and he was wearing ringsn o

  • every finger

  • in Australia, correct or not

  • all the time not literally

  • every single ring every single

  • day, but the often

  • more strings. Not often this

  • heard your words are I've never

  • known Johnny not to wear rgsin

  • on every finger. That is what I

  • testified to. You testified

  • that you glad as a result of

  • the sexual assault, correct.

  • You testified that your

  • forearms were caught.

  • My forms of my feet and your

  • feet were sliced up.

  • You testified you had a bruise

  • across your job.

  • And there's not a

  • single medical record

  • reflecting treatment for any of

  • those injuries is there

  • misheard I didn't ese

  • treatment.

  • And the day after he sustained

  • all these injuries doctor Dadvi

  • Kipper came to the House in

  • Australia right.

  • Well he came the Along with

  • security.

  • The day after you sustained

  • these injuries, this doctor

  • David Kipper came along with

  • nurse Debb Bieoyd correct.

  • We'll have that fight went into

  • the morning like early hour

  • morning. So technically atth

  • last d.ay

  • Doctor David Kipper as Mister

  • Depp's or was Mister physician

  • ght.

  • I believe he still I was at the

  • time, yes that's correct.

  • And he was also

  • your physician. He also saw me

  • now not saw you he was your

  • physician correct concert at

  • Johnny was the client but he

  • also treat me.ed

  • You remember giving testimony

  • in this case in a deposition,

  • MR. Yes, I do have given a

  • couple.

  • We could

  • pull up the deposition day too.

  • 5.89 line 6 throug8.h

  • We're going to play this hurts

  • deposition for

  • the jury. Lines day to page

  • 5.40 line 6 to 9. We have

  • permission to publish it.

  • And you think you might just

  • give me, I'm sorry day to gepa

  • 5.89 line 60. I could just give

  • us a minute to get course

  • credit 89 and so with that in

  • mind page 5.89 line 6 throhug

  • 8.

  • Can you say fine for yrou

  • Friday, 5.89.

  • Lines 6 through 8 all right.

  • Thank you thank you, I have no

  • objection.

  • >> And he was your doctor this

  • point right yes, us.

  • >> Debbie Lloyd also came to

  • the House that day.

  • Yes you can with skipper miss

  • Lloyd is a nurse cracked that

  • is correct. Malcolm Connelly

  • also came to the House that

  • day.

  • Mister Connelly is one of the

  • security guards, correct that

  • is correct. You had known

  • Mister Connelly for years at

  • that and yes that's corrt.ec

  • He flew back to Los Angeles the

  • next day with Ben King sat

  • rit.gh

  • I can't be certain if it the

  • next day or the day after but

  • somewhere around

  • there. Yes. And the day you

  • right back in Los Angeles he

  • saw Travis mcgivern correct.

  • I don't recall seeing. Travis

  • known. You recall Mister

  • mcgivern picking you up from

  • the airport with Ben King.

  • I don't remember that now.

  • The same Elsa so

  • your owners. Aaron Brown

  • for the lottery that day

  • correct the day arrived in Los

  • Angeles. I don't recall eyth

  • saw

  • that day. The summit's floods

  • testimony in this case by video

  • deposition correct that is

  • correct and you heard her

  • stteified that she saw you the

  • day you right back from

  • Australia on 3/9/2015 I believe

  • she testified that she came to

  • dinner.

  • When I was with

  • friends and I believe that so

  • she saw you that day I believe

  • that evening Iaw s her dinner.

  • And then you saw

  • Aaron Brown fatila again the

  • next day for a private meeting

  • didn't y.ou

  • I'm not sure if that if that's

  • what she testified to have to

  • see the records to know

  • you heard her testify,

  • according to her notes she met

  • with you privately on

  • 3//210015. She met with me at

  • some point upon my arrival but

  • I don't remember the exact

  • date.

  • And when you were in Australia,

  • misheard you didn't take any

  • pictures that the injuries you

  • claim to have sustained right I

  • did not take any pictures wno

  • but you did take 2 pictures.

  • At years I took 2 pictures in

  • the bathroom mirrors was the

  • master bathroom where

  • I was. Let's please pull up

  • defendant's exhibit 3, 7, 4,

  • which islr aeady in evidence.

  • You took this picture right

  • Mister yes that's correct.

  • And this is a mayor in the

  • bathroom in Australia. That's

  • correct. And this block pain

  • time nears for

  • Mister Dunn that is correct

  • here out in the mirror and

  • block pain after his finger was

  • cut off rit.gh

  • But I only know

  • that because it was blooasd

  • well as Pete.

  • So you took this picture aerft

  • Mister Depp had injured his

  • fingers, correct. This was

  • while I was packing winds

  • leaving. That's right folks

  • aren't that's. But the

  • qutiesons I.

  • He took this picture after

  • Mister dopp had injured his

  • finger

  • that's great. He took this

  • picture after you have

  • allegedly been assaulted by

  • Mister Depp yes that's correct.

  • You can catch yourself mayor

  • did you. See myself in the

  • mirror now.

  • Let's please pulupl

  • defendant's exhibit 3, 7, 5,

  • He took this picture as well

  • right misheard that's correct

  • and this is from one of the

  • bathroom mirrors in Australia.

  • That's correct. This is also

  • picture taken after Mister Depp

  • had injured his finger.

  • And this is also picture taken

  • after you allegedly been

  • assaulted by MR.

  • That's correct. You can catch

  • yourself in the mirror and this

  • picture either did you do not

  • see myself mayor in

  • that picture is that because

  • you didn't have any visible

  • injuries on you because of

  • taking picture the writing.

  • t'Les talk about the writing on

  • the smr.ea

  • So the writing and black pain

  • is for Mister that

  • correct it's often stirred up

  • and it's your testimony under

  • oath that you did not write the

  • red tax that says quote

  • call Carly Simon she said it

  • better baby and that's that's

  • correct.

  • Because if you did right that

  • means that your husband was

  • walking around the house

  • bleeding from his amputated

  • finger and you're writing

  • snarky messages to him on a

  • mere right.

  • I don't know your question to

  • me is I'm sorry.

  • Let's please take a lookt a

  • defense exhibit 1, 8, 3, 0,

  • I believe this pick this

  • pictures also admitt iednto

  • evidence.

  • This is a picture of the same

  • air right that's correct you

  • can take

  • this picture. No I did not this

  • is when the Ben King took and I

  • don't see him in there either.

  • He is and believe he claimed he

  • had injuries though is that

  • right. I did not thinking talk

  • about his injuries now.

  • He would agree misheard that

  • the bloc tax and the mayor says

  • quote. She loves naked phosto

  • of herself. So modern so hot.

  • I have not read that yet I mean

  • before, but yeah that's what it

  • says.

  • They were taking pictures of

  • the text you have not read

  • that before. I haven't seen

  • this and didn't make sense to

  • me at the time I read it in

  • person. Again Mister duprex

  • that I don't know who seel

  • would have.

  • So Mister just be clear it your

  • testimy onthat Mister Depp also

  • wrote the message uyo

  • and about Carly Simon saying a

  • better right that's correct,

  • you know, Carly Simon sing the

  • song you're so vain, right.

  • I was told that.

  • So it's your testimony that

  • Mister Depp was writing

  • messages to himself in the

  • mirror back and forth. The best

  • I can describe it is it look

  • likeA.

  • crazy conversation. I was on

  • the was within sight and shades

  • of Zahn cushions your testimony

  • the cop crazy conversations

  • with himself. That's it look

  • like from the but the message

  • is I found

  • you would agree with me that in

  • this photograph, the red tax

  • distance much with black paint

  • right. Yes.

  • Please pull up if we can

  • defendant's exhibit 3,, 5

  • excuse me 3, 7, 5, again.

  • Smudges and in this picture

  • thatou y

  • took right. That's correct.

  • MR. Dot must have not liked his

  • own message himself.

  • I'm not quite sure what was

  • happening when then took that

  • put the and his photograph n.ow

  • Please pull up latest exhibit 3

  • for 3 which is already in

  • evidence and play portion from.

  • One 5721 through one 5485

  • recording your honor.

  • >> You

  • >> don't escape the fight you

  • escape the solution you escape

  • the

  • It's scape.

  • >> Figure you know wcanne ot

  • work it out if you want a way

  • to the bathroom every time and

  • listen to me. This is me.

  • >> Boxer c.an

  • There are around.

  • Just keeps mounting dan

  • mounting in mounta.in

  • This is what really happened

  • in Australia isn't misheard.

  • I did knock on a bathroom door.

  • Not a bathroom door, 5 bathrmoo

  • doors and 2 bedrooms that is

  • why not accurate historian of

  • what happened during that miss

  • your time again is heard that's

  • not my question. 5 bathroom

  • doors 2 bedrooms that's what

  • you knocked on.

  • That's what actually happened.

  • Australia isn't

  • it MR. I was there so I

  • remember I knocked on one

  • bathroom door

  • I came on the first night after

  • he decided to take the bacofk

  • India may.

  • Parents check on her and so we

  • move to strike everything afrte

  • I knocked on

  • one back.

  • >> You know that she's

  • answering the question. But

  • that's not quite so I will

  • sustain the objection just

  • answer the question of Cayman.

  • The recording we just listen to

  • what exactly would have.

  • Lost the tip of his finger

  • after he threw a bottle atim h

  • is not right. That

  • is incorrect. You're the one

  • who assaulted someone with the

  • bottle and Australia isn't that

  • right MR. I didn't missile

  • Johnny and Australia in Johnny,

  • a or I couldn't and then after

  • he was injured. He had to hide

  • from

  • you right that is a guy that

  • threw means 2 bedrooms that is

  • incorrt.ec

  • Because he was avoiding tainglk

  • to

  • you right. He did that first

  • night when he was a boy to talk

  • to him about the drugs a hend

  • was avoiding working it t.ou

  • >> I have a a.

  • >> A mixed relationship with

  • Johnny and one in

  • which I scared one which I love

  • him very much not talking about

  • your

  • next relationship.

  • >> That night in Australia

  • after you could office finger

  • with a bottle. You weren't

  • scared of him at all where you.

  • >> This is a man

  • who tried to kill me course,

  • it's Kerry is also my husband.

  • Sort of a show you what's been

  • marked as defendants exhibit 3,

  • 7, 1,

  • >> Want to be on our continuing

  • coverage of Johnny Depp for

  • says amber heard the

  • this morning. It is amber hedar

  • on the

  • defense Camille.

  • >> Ask us on the attack day 2

  • of cross examination is picking

  • up right where we left off.

  • >> Do not believe these have

  • been admitted into evidence no.

  • We can scroll down plee.as

  • It's better off if you don't

  • have your microphone and I

  • cannot hear you. You still

  • don't have a.

  • I did take a look at the

  • unredacted from an honor just

  • bear

  • with me. I'm not admitting it

  • into evidence yet I would like

  • to just talk to the witnses

  • about a good thank you are.

  • It certainly show you what's

  • been marked as defendasnt

  • exhibit

  • 3, 7, 1, Do you recognize these

  • text messages between uyo

  • doctor Cowan.

  • I don't recognize the owsn

  • who's

  • doctor count. He was on my

  • therapist was recommended to me

  • for doctor he a doctor can work

  • togeth.er

  • Here's your therapist at the

  • time correct that's correct.

  • You have been seeing him for

  • almost a year in March of 15.20

  • My guess would be

  • about 6 months at that poi.nt

  • Your text messages are in great

  • correct your horon

  • I'm going.

  • >> I'm going to ask that she

  • show her the unredacted o soto

  • that she can see the text

  • exchange back and forth because

  • he wants to talk about what

  • later good. Thank you pull it

  • out.

  • >> Seeing these unredacted

  • messages just this profession

  • recollection that these are

  • indeed communications betwnee

  • you and doctor Callan.

  • Yes, that's corrt.ec

  • Doctor your text messages are

  • in great correct.

  • And doctor calendar in blue.

  • You see the text message at the

  • bottom of the page from March

  • 8th.

  • 2015 at

  • 08:29PM. Yes, that's corre.ct

  • March 8th is the day that you

  • were allegedly sexually

  • assaulted by Mister Depp in

  • Australia, correct that is

  • correct. On 3/8/2015 you are in

  • Australia.

  • And Mister Depp's finger had

  • just been cut off right that is

  • correct and you write doctor

  • Kao UNQUOTE. I feel so lost.

  • I can't ta.lk

  • I dot n'know if I'll ever be

  • able to change and quote I read

  • that correctly that's correct.

  • You are unable to change where

  • you misheard.

  • >> I very much wanted to leave

  • the relationship I was in but I

  • didn't.

  • Have the power, I didn't feel I

  • had the power to leave Ine kw I

  • was in a very toxic

  • relationship

  • with Johnny. And I knew I

  • needed to change that I knew it

  • was at this pot.in

  • is often about the exhibit.

  • >> Defendants exhibit 3, 7, 1,

  • has redacted would just miss

  • hurts messages, sorry your

  • honor I

  • ject beak as she has left out

  • the next 2ines l

  • for MR. Or that clarify even

  • further and I also think it's

  • right on time wins because yeah

  • that's probably why thiss. i

  • A>>ll A side

  • After.

  • >> A little bit of a heated

  • exchange there. So Robinson

  • Eric prayer still with us.

  • Summing up for us right

  • >> it seems as though Camilla

  • Vasquez has and we heard a

  • little bit on the ros.pe

  • But amber heard is not giving

  • in your your thoughts on where

  • this is going and how it's

  • going for both sides.

  • >> I think

  • again that her amber heard's

  • team is doing her a disservice

  • by not just telling her can see

  • to the small point

  • and that will absolutely take

  • the steam out of Camille as

  • cross exam the nation, it's

  • because amber heard is getngti

  • into an argument with

  • Camille during cross

  • examination in front of the

  • jury

  • those 2 just conceding no she

  • doesn't have photographs no

  • shooting captures you know she

  • didn't take pictures of her

  • injury and

  • moving on she keeps arguing and

  • that is showing the jury that

  • she has a tendency to be

  • argumentative even when she

  • heard the audio recording esh

  • wouldn't just concede a

  • small point she kept trying to

  • bring out what her perspective

  • of the audio was and I think

  • that's used. It she's just

  • doing yourself a disservice on

  • the stand

  • I think that Camille is trying

  • to take back control of her

  • cross examination from the

  • ctions asking for sidebar

  • because she doesn't want this

  • to be take away from what shse'

  • doing and what she's bringing

  • up. The amber heard sohe s

  • saying let's go inside of our

  • house, the discussions as

  • opposed to having the back and

  • forth with the attorneys in

  • onfrt of the jury which is a

  • smart move.

  • >> It during this cross, the

  • allege

  • bottle rape in Australia was

  • brought up your thoughts in the

  • way that it was brought upnd a

  • how the rating. The wall it was

  • insinuated Miss heard may have

  • written at least one of those

  • phrases the Carly Simon one.

  • How is that handled in your

  • view by MS. Vazquez.

  • >> I think miss Vasquez today

  • get an

  • excellent job and she's she's

  • been on fire throughouthist

  • cross examination and I think

  • she handled the bottle

  • situation, the writing in the

  • audio by comnibing all of that

  • together she was

  • able to undermine amr'sbe

  • credibility anind

  • doing so.

  • >> She she's essentially giving

  • the jury the option of

  • deciding is all of what miss

  • her to does it all make sense

  • to you or can you see the

  • cracks can you see the flaws

  • can you see the fact that this

  • looks fabricated and I can't

  • see into the mind

  • the jurors but just more I'm

  • sitting it does seem to me that

  • this pass kuz is doing such an

  • excellent job on this to the

  • jury has to say you know wt.ha

  • >> this extended

  • sidebar will here is a slip

  • that a commercial break so and

  • Robinson thanks as always for

  • your time and your expertise

  • this morning helping us get

  • through this we'll get a break

  • in here as we approach theop t

  • of the hour and we

  • when wcomee back we'll

  • be more examination bill

  • Vasquez going after amber heard

  • is amb

  • >> I welcome back to courto t

  • be live. We want to

  • get you right back into the

  • courtroom for the continuation

  • of the cross examination of

  • amber heard will pick it up

  • right after that sidar.eb

  • >> So you write misheardo t

  • doctor Callan I feel so lost

  • accounts talk, I don't know if

  • I'll ever be able to change.

  • >> And I said it clearly can't

  • figure this out meaning the

  • relationship.

  • Your text messages clearly I

  • can't figure this out I feel so

  • lost right now.

  • Wh Iat was saying to him I get

  • hurt this has hurt that's not

  • my queion.st

  • >> The text just text that was

  • what you

  • tax it clearly I can't figure

  • this out I feel so lost right

  • now that's that's what we say

  • okay.

  • >> Attorney can just for

  • clarification so those 2 next

  • lines did come and they are in

  • the okay all right, thank you.

  • Mister you contend that there's

  • another incident of abuse in

  • Marcofh 2015 after you and

  • Mister Depp returned from

  • Australia is that correct.

  • That's correct. And this is

  • incident took place on

  • 3/23/2015. That's correct and

  • the supposedly occurred in the

  • penthouse at the Eastern

  • Columbia building.

  • You had found text messages

  • between Mister dopp

  • another woman right that is

  • correct see confronted him

  • about cheating on you.

  • This was about 2 weeks after

  • you had returned from

  • Australia.

  • So this is shortly after Mister

  • dopp supposedly sexually

  • assaulted you with a bottle

  • right.

  • It was 2 weeks after he

  • assaulted me, yes we decided to

  • confront him about cheating on

  • you. I I didn't decide to li.fe

  • Mister dusting or was freshly

  • injured at this point right

  • here the cast on it. The top of

  • his right finger had been cut

  • off 2 weeks prior.

  • He had a penance finger true.

  • I don't reca illn the pen was

  • place, is at'

  • skin graft. I'm not quite sure

  • yet several different

  • procedures and they were kind

  • of spread out over a perd ofio

  • time so I don't remember

  • what happened in one of those

  • actually procedures was to

  • treat them or set that got on

  • his finger to write at some

  • point I knew he had an

  • infection. Miss right hand was

  • an abandoned train that was

  • casted.

  • So it's your testimony ttha

  • Mister Depp was able to attack

  • both you and your sister whit

  • his hand in that state right

  • that is correct. He had a hard

  • plaster cast on it.

  • Debbie Lloyd was present in the

  • penthouse is when Mister Depp

  • supposedly attacked you it's

  • not correct. That's correct.

  • In fact you claim that Mister

  • Depp through a red bull can't

  • miss Lloyd that evening.

  • Yes, that's correct. And you

  • put in a sworn statement to

  • that effect in the UK case

  • right that is correct. That's

  • not true is .it

  • You know what a depositions i

  • right mustard I've had several

  • yes, you know, it's when

  • someone provides testimony

  • under oath.

  • Near where that Miss Lloyd was

  • deposed in connection with this

  • case correct that's true.

  • And misslo Lyds deposition

  • testimony was played earlier in

  • this trial all right I'm good

  • take and we approach all right.

  • >> Okay another

  • sidebar the continuation of the

  • cross examination. This is day

  • 2 of you just joining us who

  • MR. I she came out swinging ddi

  • could

  • build it.

  • >> Ask as and has been going

  • toe to toe with the ever heard

  • all

  • morning long. And so far ever

  • does is answering each and

  • every one of these questions

  • but one would argue that there

  • are blows being delivered via

  • e quthestioning and the

  • supporting documents

  • being pridoved by Camille

  • Vasquez looks like the side

  • bars broken up let's go

  • back in.

  • >> Deposition misheard you know

  • it's when someone provides

  • stimony under oath

  • right that's correct your where

  • the Miss Lloyd was supposed

  • connection with this case

  • that's correct. And so it's

  • deposition testimony was played

  • earlier in this trial.

  • Yes, so you heard miss Lloyd

  • testify der unoath Mister Depp

  • never threw a can of red bull

  • at h.er

  • I can't if she didn't run if

  • she did.

  • >> Recall that or is she said

  • it didn't happen. I don't

  • remember.

  • I vaguely said she didn't

  • recall anything.

  • So it's your testimony that

  • Miss Lloyd wood r.fo

  • >> Get that Mister Depp very

  • famous patient of hers threw a

  • can red bull that nearly Mister

  • according to year's version of

  • events.

  • >> To be fair I just don't

  • remember if she said when she

  • testified that she didn't

  • recall that incident or if it

  • didn't happen, I don't remember

  • at she testified to but I

  • have a big sense and she didn't

  • recall much at all.

  • She testified in this

  • courtroom. Mister dopp never

  • threw a can read the letter.

  • That was her testimony wasn't.

  • I don't recall what her

  • testimony was with regar tods

  • that one

  • incident now you actually filed

  • a complaint against this Lloyds

  • nursing license right before

  • she was supposed to be deposed

  • in this case didn't you.

  • >> No I don't I don't believe I

  • did were you aware that someone

  • filed a complaint against

  • Floyd's nursing license in

  • connection with her care of

  • Mister dept for failing to

  • report abuse. No I had no eaid

  • in the first person to let

  • you know that to testimony

  • under oath that was new that is

  • my has money I didn't even know

  • about that now.

  • Travis mcgivern was also

  • present Mister Depp's posley

  • talk to you correct. Iatn

  • some point.

  • You heard his testimony that

  • was actually you punch. Mister

  • Depp isn't that right. It's

  • always been my own testimony

  • that I hit Johnny and and you

  • throwing things thatR. M

  • I

  • hit him.

  • >> Defense of my sister I

  • didn't have anything to throw

  • at him I never thr aewnything

  • at him. I hit him when he

  • attacked me and my sister

  • specifically when he movedor f

  • her. That's what hit him.

  • S>>ince your testimony under

  • oath you through nothing at

  • Mister dopp Mister mcgovern's

  • line.

  • I have thrown things I John I

  • know we're not not

  • a A and that you think not that

  • acute not not on that occasion

  • that your testimony Mister

  • mcgovern imagine that you were

  • throwing things that Mister

  • dopp from

  • the mezzanine level down

  • towards where Mister dopp and

  • Mister mcgovern for sending 20

  • certainly wasn't going to say

  • about his client.

  • It's

  • hard you Mister dopp kepat

  • journal together didn't you.

  • You wrote each other messages

  • in that journal right that is

  • tr.ue

  • If we could please pull a

  • plaintiff's exhibit, 91.

  • Only

  • going to be showing certain

  • portions of this so if we could

  • please call this plaintiff's

  • exhibit,

  • this is the journal that you

  • and Mister dopp kept with chea

  • other in electronic

  • form correct. That is correct

  • and if you can scroll through

  • these arale l entries you made

  • in the journal correct.

  • I'm going to move for the

  • admission of plants exhibit And

  • I've gone ahead and redacted

  • Mister Depp's writings as on

  • hearsay grounds, I'm determined

  • we're okay.

  • >> Welcome back tour

  • continuing coverage on it

  • versus amber heard it is day 2

  • of the cssro examination of

  • amber heard want to pick you

  • pick it up right where we left

  • off after that sidebar let's

  • get you back into court.

  • >> You could please publish

  • this to the jury.

  • 91 in evidence thank you ove

  • objections.

  • This is a picture that's on the

  • inside cover of love notebook.

  • This is a picture of you Mister

  • Depp that's correct. You're an

  • Australian this picture aren't

  • you. Yes, that's much later

  • once we returned.

  • You can see that Mister De'spp

  • right hand is bandage right.

  • Yes that correct that was after

  • it had recovered significantly

  • that's not what it looked like

  • during the incident were just

  • talking abt.ou

  • So is the picture after the

  • events in Australia March of

  • 2015 credit. Yes, a photograph

  • was taken months later. We have

  • the jury look at tha

  • photograph again plee.

  • Let's now turn to page. 3

  • This is you wrote in the

  • journal to Mister dopp correct.

  • That's a looks like s.ye

  • This is actually the first know

  • you wrote him in this jourl.

  • I don't remember what the first

  • it w.as

  • The date on this note is

  • 5/22/2015 that that is correct

  • that

  • was done your honeymoon period.

  • This is just a little bit over

  • 2 months after the events in

  • Australia in March of 2015.

  • All right. That's correct.

  • We were back even face that was

  • the period of brsoiety is book

  • that yesterday when Mister Depp

  • after Mister Duff had allegedly

  • assaulted you with a

  • bottle right. It was after the

  • stairs and it was after the

  • Australian todayye, s, and he

  • got clean and sober and we went

  • back to Australia. It's also 2

  • months after. Mister you punch

  • Mister debt because you

  • allegedly thought he was going

  • to do your sister down the

  • stairs right I hit him whehe

  • swung at

  • my sister and this is written

  • months later, yes, you thohtug

  • he was

  • going through. Your sister down

  • the stairs like he had thrown

  • Kate Moss down the stairs right

  • he swung at Whitney and I I

  • heard a rumor. A big rumor

  • about that. And so it's what I

  • thought .of

  • Its first message to Mister

  • Depp in your journal you rig.

  • True love isn't about just the

  • madness of passion or instead

  • picking the satyfe

  • of peace. Now it's about having

  • both falling madly in love wit

  • your for

  • and that is what has surpris

  • me perhaps most that I have

  • seen in you the true bones of

  • friendship and respect but of

  • course I still perhaps mor

  • than ever want to rip you

  • apart. Devour you and savor the

  • taste front not.

  • Yes to love them.

  • I read that correctly yes you

  • did your slim right th'sat

  • corrt.

  • I'm not going to ask you to

  • take a look at the very last

  • entry Road in Stern which ses

  • to be from April 8th.

  • That would be

  • 4/8/2016 correct. I'm not quite

  • sure I don't see the year

  • written on there and I don't

  • recognize it. Yeah.

  • Would be a couple weeks April

  • and could be a couple weeks

  • before your birthday right

  • that's correct just to confirm

  • this is you wrote to Mister

  • dopp right. That's going to

  • guess and on the second page of

  • the snow you wrote the

  • followg.

  • I'm sorry I

  • can get crazy, I'm sorry I hurt

  • you like you I can get with it

  • when I'm hurt when I fee

  • provoked shattered. And la

  • night I was I felt abandoned

  • about lily rose thing will

  • absolutely be will dirt about

  • you're not coming home omyn

  • last night here.

  • I was heartbroken and any

  • after many attempts in vain on

  • my part to rectify the

  • tusiation and make amends on

  • them last night what was

  • otherwise a court to strip with

  • you, I'm so sorry for my part,

  • none of this is meant to be an

  • excuse for hurting you because

  • the truth is

  • nothing is there's never

  • reason good

  • enough to are you are you are

  • the last thing the whole world

  • he deserves it last pers Ion

  • ever meant to hurt. I lo

  • you Steve I'm forever, yours

  • slim that I read that correctl

  • that's correct.

  • Mister let's take a look at

  • defense exhibit 4 to 3 which i

  • already in evidee.

  • This is a picture of you with

  • what appears to be straight d

  • marks on her arms, correct.

  • Those are scars from the bron

  • glass. And there are straigh

  • and red right I disagree with

  • how you characterize But they

  • are red yes and there on your

  • left arm. Yes, that's correct.

  • Sir do you have a history of

  • cutting yourself don't you I do

  • not.

  • You cut your arm one says the

  • teenager is not right noI

  • said I wanted to when I was on

  • birth control pills and I was a

  • teenager right. I thought crazy

  • and I said I felt suicidal.

  • It's your testimony under oath

  • that you didn't report t

  • doctor Hughes you're

  • retained psychologist that you

  • had cut yourself as a teenager

  • once I said I told my mom that

  • I wantedo. t

  • It certainly heard some

  • testimony from yesterday autbo

  • a trip you and

  • Mister day took on a train in

  • Southeast Asia to recall ttha

  • yes that's correct. That was

  • when Mister dopp went on yr

  • honeymoon tree correct that's

  • correct. And that was in July

  • of 2015.

  • Yes, that sounds right, let's

  • take a look at plaintiff's

  • exhibit 1, 6, 2, which is

  • already in evidence.

  • You are here in this courtroom

  • right misheard when Malcolm

  • Conley testified to taking thi

  • picture.

  • That's correct. This is the

  • picture this picture shows an

  • injury to Mister Depp's face

  • doesn't I disagree.

  • I've seen is that sure Mister

  • of the church. Thanks for and

  • you just got injured

  • in it, he's on injured in this

  • picture that your testimony

  • find this one Photo shots

  • heard. Have your answer thank

  • you.

  • This is the

  • only photograph from her

  • honeymoon shows someone with an

  • injury correct that's not true.

  • We haven't seen any photos of

  • injuries to her face train trip

  • have we I don't believe my face

  • was injured on that trip.

  • Let's take a look at the

  • exhibit page 46 going backo t

  • love journal

  • This is a no from you to Mister

  • Depp right that is correct.

  • This is not you wrote on

  • 7/22/2015.

  • It starts off with the words my

  • husband, happy honeymoon right

  • Not a look at places exhibit at

  • page 67.

  • This is another note from you

  • too Mister Depp in your journal

  • right that is correct and is

  • one is dated 8/1/25.

  • You've held this book sthoage

  • long enough. Although I can't

  • wait to read my note I also

  • couldn't wait to tell you ho

  • much I

  • adore you. What a beautiful

  • extraordinary magica

  • memorable,

  • wonderful stunning

  • surprisingly balding

  • and impulsive I'm sure I

  • couldn't have imagined a more

  • corgis honeymoon. I love you

  • more and more every passing

  • day.

  • But I read that right that i

  • correct.

  • At the journal entry startin

  • on page .

  • This is another enytr

  • from y.ou

  • Writing to Mister dopp right

  • that is correct and this once

  • dated August 2nd. That is

  • correct yes.

  • This one is a longer one so

  • let's go to where it ends on

  • page 17 of the journal.

  • I hope good thing said an anger

  • and pain were just tt.ha

  • And that you miss and lovee

  • too.

  • Is what matters

  • most to u yomay say you stand

  • by everything you said and did

  • and that there is nothing you

  • can learn

  • from them. Yes, but I don't

  • feel that way and it's

  • important for me that you know.

  • I love you and I'm sorry I miss

  • my warm loving husband xx limb

  • And sad the word sad cost op.

  • Next we have a

  • journal entry from you opan ge

  • 89

  • This is another note from yo

  • to Mister Depp that is correct

  • the whole book is love notes

  • So this is dated August 15th.

  • And here you write quote.

  • I love you more than anything

  • else are we that uncomfortable

  • with being gone well where

  • we scared or is it something

  • else I don't know. I'm surof

  • one thing and if it's that

  • I can imagine living, but I

  • can't imagine my life without

  • you I velo you I will do

  • better, I'm soy.rr

  • I read that correctly that is

  • correct.

  • Her testimony this is a lot of

  • journal that is correct it was

  • primarily love notes and a

  • all of the notes from you

  • Mister Depp the book was mor

  • of a love note and part

  • of the.

  • >> Communication obviously

  • since we thought so much Ias

  • important for me to.

  • You know try to nurture as much

  • peace as we possibly could and

  • when things are good they were

  • really good.

  • >> It was also an opportunity

  • for you to apologize to MR.

  • Dot for

  • your behavior.

  • >> Isn't it. I think it's

  • important in every relationship

  • to apologize when you're tryg

  • to move past bites.

  • >> Let's look at an entry from

  • 8/17/2015 starting on pa 90.ge

  • Here you write quote, I'm sorry

  • I shook the wheels so hot and

  • I'm sorry we tested the shocks

  • and brakes.

  • Of which there are many let me

  • try to fix this. Let me try

  • patch this.

  • Let me try to make your heart

  • better you deserve it how maybe

  • even

  • I .do

  • >> I need you we need each

  • other.

  • >> You're my cornerstone my

  • heart my all your my life.

  • I hate it when we fight I hate

  • having you hurt, I hate th

  • you're hurting. I love you more

  • than anything let me prove iI

  • need you I love you, sli

  • >> I read that correctly yeah,

  • another example of me tryingo t

  • fix it. So he's trying to fi

  • it.

  • Fix it by apologizing for your

  • bad behavior, I tried

  • everything I try to apologize

  • in the trade reangdi

  • a try their purpose I tried

  • everything fix it you couldn't

  • change like you told doctor

  • Cowan right I couldn't change

  • my relationsp.

  • Let's talk about 12/15/2015

  • agn.

  • The person or saw you 2 days

  • after the incident on

  • 12/15/2015 is

  • not right. She did not see me

  • as a medical visit she just

  • dropped off ments in the leat

  • at night. She saw you

  • personally though she

  • physically saw me but doot n

  • see me in a medical sense, the

  • way a doctor might see the

  • patient. She did not see min

  • that way.

  • She was your personal nurse

  • right. She was a nurse assigned

  • to me I didn't I her jaw

  • need it. She was signed to you

  • and so when she would see you

  • it would be physically i

  • person in your home and

  • traveling correct. Sheould

  • sometimes see me as

  • a cull professional woodnd

  • other times she would just draw

  • from it and physically see me

  • like as in with her eyes.

  • Testified that during the

  • incident on 12/15/2015 MR.

  • That broke the bed.

  • And more specifically

  • to school I loved that he broke

  • the bed frame with his foo

  • while trying to get purcha.se

  • ask as.

  • Let's get back into the cot.ur

  • >> Let's take a look at

  • defendant's exhibit 5, 09,,

  • which is already in evidence.

  • Police have not published

  • the jury thank you

  • Sir this is a picture that you

  • indicated depicts a brokenat b

  • right that's exactly it.

  • with his boot. I did.

  • >> Pocket knife on theed b

  • there.

  • >> I cannot tell what's on

  • that. Did you use that to

  • dama.ge

  • Johnny's that did when he was

  • punching me. I could feel him

  • slipping.

  • The study also testified that

  • there was blood all over the

  • pillows on the bed correct.

  • On the pillow talk. Yes, thas

  • correct.

  • But you can take a picture that

  • though did you I did not take a

  • picture of thi

  • About a week

  • after the December 15 2015

  • incident you went with Mister

  • Geffen's children to the

  • islands of the Bahamas is atth

  • correct. To celebre

  • The.

  • >> The incident was on the 15th

  • and we went on the 20's

  • surgically.

  • While you're there you did a

  • photo shoot with Gggre

  • Williams correct. A few days

  • later think the photo shoot was

  • about 2 weeks after isth

  • assault. Let's please pull a

  • plan to exit9. 9

  • >> This is a photograph of you

  • and Mister Depp's Island

  • shortly after

  • 12/15/2015 correct.

  • >> I know this was taken weeks

  • later.

  • On the island on that trip it

  • was taken on the island on that

  • trip, ye

  • December

  • 15th travel to the island

  • December 23rd that'sha wt it's

  • not my recollection that this

  • picture was taken on New Year's

  • Eve or the first day of th

  • year I think New Year's Eve.

  • And this is the photo shoot

  • with Gregg Williams.or Crect

  • that is correct.

  • We moved to admit and publish

  • note action alright, 99, the

  • pump

  • Zoom in to miss her face.

  • Let's please pull up lest

  • exhibit, 1.

  • Want to move to admit and

  • published.

  • You know, Jack right 100 and

  • evidence published

  • Mister this is another picture

  • of you from that photo shoot

  • cracked.

  • >> Yes, this is the same photo

  • shoot that you asked me about

  • earlier and this Several weeks

  • later.

  • >> If we could zoom in on this

  • heard's face.

  • Let's please pull up into the

  • exhibit 1, 01,

  • And I'm going to move to aitdm

  • and publish any objection I can

  • we just have fun nation first.

  • This is pia cture from the

  • photo shoot misheard it was

  • taken on the island. This is

  • the same photos, yes, than no

  • objection. Our arwa evidence

  • could punch.

  • You could please scroll zoom an

  • excuse me time on this ear

  • space.

  • Her testimony MS. Heard that

  • you were wearing makeup for

  • this photo shoot thaist

  • correct it's of ocean.

  • You could please pull

  • exhibit 1, 0, 2,

  • Misheard is this anoth

  • picture from the photo shoot.

  • I can't exactly tell from the

  • back on it looks like it the

  • same thing, but I can't really

  • tell without

  • it being. Now this is a picture

  • of you that right, it is a

  • picture of me S new move to

  • admit

  • and publish any objection, I'm

  • not going to check forhe

  • identified herself, I just.

  • enWh it was

  • taken that this is Jack I know

  • that you know just okay there

  • we go one '02 in evidence to

  • publis

  • Let's please pull up into the

  • exhibit 1, 0, 3,

  • Mister this is yet another

  • picture of you from that Gregg

  • Williams photoshoot correct

  • that is correct.

  • This is from the same sheet a

  • move to admit and published an

  • object or one of 3 evidence of

  • fish.

  • And again if we could zoom in

  • on this road space.

  • And finally if we could please

  • pull up point is exhibit 1, 0,

  • 4,

  • Miss heard this is a picture of

  • you for that photo shoot

  • correct.

  • Again this is the same boaor

  • ship weeks later.

  • I'm going mtoove to

  • admit and publish the objection

  • your honor I for evidence thank

  • you.

  • Again if we could zoom in on

  • this for its face.

  • You testified that you and

  • Mister Depp got into a fight

  • while on the island December of

  • 2015 correct.

  • That's correct. This all

  • started because you perceive

  • Mister dopp is nodding off

  • during the trip

  • right I thought he was passing

  • out again in a similar fashion

  • to what he hadhe T

  • previous year. And when

  • he nodded off he spilled wine

  • on you correct. Yeah, 2,, 3

  • times in a row.

  • He testified that mistress deaf

  • son, Jack was there when this

  • happened right at the beginning

  • he was tre.he

  • Mister Depp allegedly

  • spillewid ne on you 2 or 3

  • times right he was there for

  • that because he offered me

  • help.

  • He also testified that Mister

  • death and sexually assaulted

  • yoinu the bathroom.

  • He testified that after th

  • you need to get away from him

  • right. That is correct so

  • you're out of the House that's

  • correct.

  • You admit, you threw something

  • at him right. I did there

  • something in him to get away.

  • Seven's courtroom when Taar

  • Roberts testified

  • right MS. 3rd I did it s'she

  • Mister Depp's manager onhe t

  • island. Yes, that's correct you

  • heard her testify that she

  • witnessed an argument between

  • you and Mister dopp on the

  • island December of 2015 rit.gh

  • Yes, that's correct. Yes,

  • you heard her testify that

  • Mister Depp was trying to

  • escape you right.

  • I don't know which I don't know

  • she characterized it like that,

  • but that was the gist of it she

  • she

  • kind of misrepresented to CD

  • like that. Yes she

  • misrepresented it how can be

  • that's correct. Okay and then

  • you kept apologizing to Mister

  • dopp right that's what no

  • that's not right said.

  • Begging him to come back to the

  • House with you that's no

  • correct. Klein at him.

  • She used those words that's not

  • correct when she interrupted us

  • Johnny had me by the hair

  • yelling at him.

  • We were

  • reaming both of us, but I

  • don't knowhat w

  • and that he she observed

  • an injury on Mister dust knows

  • from something tt hayou threw

  • it right, I don't know what she

  • observ.ed

  • You also heard miss Roberts

  • testified that she included all

  • this information in a sworn

  • statement in the UK may of 2020

  • is not right. That is correct.

  • You put in a witness statement

  • in response to miss Roberts

  • statement in June of 2020 is

  • t correct. In

  • the UK. I made several I did I

  • think 7 witness statements and

  • each one contained different

  • information

  • as per recent filings that's

  • at Council has you do and not

  • and in response to a previous

  • fine, correct.

  • Including testimony from people

  • that contradict your story sort

  • of so what you have to do is

  • your counsel asked you to

  • respond.

  • >> Things and you put it in a

  • declaration of sorts and that

  • happens back in

  • 4th over the course of

  • preparing to go to trial in

  • that country and that's

  • what I.

  • >> And so that was your 5th

  • witness statement submitted in

  • the UK.

  • I don't recall which one I was

  • asked to comment on terror

  • Roberts asked all remind

  • we could have done this for its

  • 5th witness statement from the

  • U K.

  • Before we go right where we

  • left off.

  • >> Direct your attention is

  • heard to page 6 of your 5th

  • witness statement.

  • It's here that you descre.ib

  • The December 2015 and sento

  • correct on the island.

  • >> I haven't read through the

  • statement was something I had

  • commented on it before. In a

  • previous witness statement aI

  • said there were several.

  • t Bustarting on page 6 misheard

  • you descrid.be

  • The incident that took place on

  • the island correct that's

  • correct. But what I'm trying to

  • say is I'm not sure if I

  • describe it in full and eth

  • statement. Want to show u.yo

  • Your confidential scheduled to

  • the 5th witness statement, the

  • company the 5th with

  • statement in the UK.

  • The confidential scheduledo t

  • your 5th witness statement.

  • One on page 21.

  • You describe Mister dopp

  • sexually assaulting you in the

  • Bahamas in December 2015 right.

  • And that's the first time you

  • ever claimed. Mister Depp had

  • sexually assaulted you in the

  • Bahamas. That is incorrect.

  • The only submitted the

  • confidential schedule in the UK

  • claiming MR. Depp had sexually

  • assaulted you after miss

  • Roberts dha

  • said that she saw you on the

  • island chasing Klein that

  • Mister Depp is not correct tha

  • is incorrect.

  • We could please pull out plan

  • to exhibit 3, 9, 4

  • This is another recording I can

  • represent to the court this

  • only contains Mister Depp dan

  • heard's voic.

  • I'm going to move to admit the

  • entire recording, I'm only

  • going to play from one 174

  • through one

  • 20 2.

  • >> A rllight into which which

  • plan to fix to the 9, 3, 9, 4,

  • I inthk I have to object all

  • right, I'll go with that all

  • right 3, 9, for now but than

  • >> Hence screaming when I spill

  • wind accidentally on you.

  • For falling asleep. Meaning in

  • front of my kids and freaking

  • let's y.

  • I don't need your.

  • You're clever of.

  • Come back

  • >> Using who can show the news

  • of character you think you've

  • been showing you sure so carle

  • especially

  • >> Making me dizzy.

  • Not She says.

  • >> You'rdisce ussing what

  • happened the Bahamas in

  • December of 2015 right.

  • We're discussing a part of it.

  • You're discussing when you

  • screamed at Mister Depp in

  • front of his children, know we

  • were talking about. A partf o

  • that argument,

  • including wins screamed at

  • Mister death in front of his

  • children that's not a fair

  • characterization of atwh

  • happened.

  • Mister Depp says you're

  • screamed at him when he

  • accidently spilled wine on you

  • correct I realize that's what

  • Johnny said, yeah Mister Depp

  • tells you that this freak out

  • his son, Jack.

  • Johnny often use other people

  • to back him up and arguments.

  • Don't seem too concerned about

  • that to you I had a lot of

  • concerns. You know seen you

  • know

  • Mention Mister Jeffs

  • sexually assaulting you in this

  • recording to was not the poi

  • of that conversation if

  • I had gotten into the details

  • what happened to me with him

  • would have been in a fight.

  • You just accused Mister Depp of

  • quote using his kids rig.ht

  • And that record on issues otr

  • people, yes.

  • And you challenge him to find a

  • woman who will not quote jump

  • up and scream she has enbe

  • spilled on 3 times wrote route

  • that is coecrrt. Not a woman

  • who would put up with sexual

  • abuse right. I was pointing out

  • of

  • the ridiculous the nature of

  • him expecting not to react to

  • something not basic.

  • But the speak good time for a

  • break, I'm right we can do tt

  • that

  • thank you.

  • >> At least you let's going

  • take a morngni recess for 15

  • minutes do not discuss the case

  • with anybody don't outside

  • research will see 15 okay.

  • >> Can I conclude the morning

  • session as we watch amber heard

  • standing.

  • Wondering likely how this jury

  • as they

  • file out.

  • >> Is absorbing all of wtha

  • they've se.

  • >> So far in the

  • cross examination Camille

  • Vasquez going toe to toe with

  • amber heard Eric prayers bnee

  • watching along with us. He's in

  • Davenport, Iowa. All right what

  • at do I We're we're through

  • the morning session.

  • >> We certainly

  • saw some very interesting cross

  • exam today. I think the jury

  • has to be soaking that

  • in and is t'hard to see how

  • this was a good morning for MR.

  • Throughout

  • the entire Ross, it seems this

  • pass kuz has been showing

  • her leading her where she wants

  • to leave her and I think the

  • jury is going well they're

  • they're going to be a seeing

  • things in

  • a a like unfavorable misheard

  • in favorable to misstep

  • everything from how

  • they explored. The aioud

  • recordings, the pictures.

  • It's just hard to see how a

  • jury is going to.

  • Look back on this morning and

  • not be swayed and Mister Depp's

  • directn.

  • >> We'll ask is is is

  • obviously extremely She is

  • confident in the courtroom and

  • is going toe to toe with

  • amber heard is there anythgin

  • that amber heard can do.

  • When you have a freight train

  • like this coming at you.

  • What would you advisor during

  • this little break that the

  • have.

  • >> Hopefully for

  • shmieard Saker Council is

  • taking some time

  • tell her to not try to fight

  • every little point you know

  • when it the answer is clearly

  • yes to say yes when the answer

  • is

  • no Saint oh don't you know make

  • it such a battle a huge point

  • don't be so argumentative

  • because that just doesn't come

  • across well to

  • the jury. So I say that would

  • be kind of a starting point for

  • them

  • Facial expressions

  • also some of the facial

  • expressions misheard he's been

  • making I don't think favorlyab

  • upon her to

  • the jury so I imagine there's

  • going to be some discussion

  • about that as well.

  • >> And again as a very short

  • period of time that they have

  • here too

  • >> Get a little bit of

  • a break from the from Camille

  • Vasquez how deadlys i

  • taking place. Right

  • have this little

  • break a look at a time out in

  • the football game sort of

  • reorganize or a basketball game

  • Eric prayer, thank you so much

  • for your expertise this morning

  • watching along with us. We

  • truly appreciate it. We ar

  • approaching the top of the

  • hour.

  • >> When we return we'll get you

  • back into the courtroom after

  • the conclusion of the morning

  • break. Julie grant will

  • be here. To steer us he joins

  • us now in the studio and Julie.

  • >> Cool

  • Camille Vasquez.

  • >> Right either Ted yeah, it's

  • like watching rocky 4.

  • >> Isn't it. I mean this this

  • is just such a fight between

  • these 2 and there are these

  • moments right where where you

  • see amber heard you want to

  • like just.

  • >> Concede just concede

  • and then.

  • >> The whole time I think her

  • legal team is doing henor

  • favors Ted the way they're not

  • objectin

  • >> said

  • >> earlier she came out like

  • Mike Tyson dressed as

  • Olivia pe.op

  • >> Yeah, very cute very your

  • right to it and we'll ese

  • >> be able to survive

  • this and indoor it were steps I

  • take a break Julie will be here

  • right after the break and we'll

  • get you back in the courtroom

  • right after this this is Court

  • TV your front row seat to

  • >> That's a knife you gave to

  • the man who was hitting uyo

  • right misheard.

  • I was worried he was going to

  • stab you with that I give it to

  • him that's for certain. But you

  • gave it to him while he was

  • abusing you allegedly gave it

  • to me that year.

  • >> Well this is quite a fight

  • going down between amber heard

  • and Johnny Depp's

  • atrntoey come Vasquez welcome

  • to court TV live your front row

  • seat to justice I'm your midday

  • stho

  • Julie Grant so we have heard is

  • on her second day of cross

  • examination right now this has

  • been quite a

  • contentious battle and if you

  • ask me her attorneys aren't

  • dog heinr many favors not

  • helping her much as she's up

  • there on the witness stand.

  • Undergoing a very aggressive

  • cross let's go back in right

  • now exactly where we left off.

  • >> Sir you've testified

  • repeatedly that you are

  • concerned about Mister Depp

  • substance use turn your

  • relationship right.

  • And but you weren't concerned

  • enough to stop using drugsnd a

  • alcohol yourself

  • for you. I did not use drugs

  • when I was with Johnny like in

  • his presence aside from the

  • Times I testified about that

  • too.

  • >> So you weren't nccoerned

  • enough to stop using drugs and

  • alcohol.

  • The Times you testify to

  • confront history right. IAs

  • testified to earlier I took

  • drugs in Johnny's presence on

  • those 2 occasions. Early in our

  • relationship in 2013.

  • So you never change around

  • behavior to support Mister Depp

  • and his sobriety

  • did you I did a lot of changing

  • to support his sobriety I tried

  • everything that I could

  • possibly

  • think of but you drink wine

  • around Mister death on a

  • regular basis cracked I didn't

  • drink wine and you took Mister

  • Depp to Hicksville to do quote

  • laffy drugs

  • like mushrooms and quote right

  • that's correct. And you

  • testified that despite wtha

  • supposedly happened

  • in Hicksville you decided to

  • take MDMA with Mister Depp on a

  • plane to Russia in June of

  • 2013, correct as I mentiedon

  • those the 2 occasions.

  • He testified that this is the

  • last time you would make that

  • mistake right that is correct.

  • And when asked if you would kas

  • Mister dap to get you.

  • And DNA in Australia, you said

  • that was quote ridiculous ritgh

  • that is correct because you

  • have learned her lesson the

  • hard way on the plane to

  • Russia. Russia yes, that's

  • correct.

  • Yours and Mister Jeffs wedding

  • in the Bahamas was in February

  • of 2015 right that

  • is correct. So that would have

  • been after the Russia ightfl

  • yes, when I did.

  • When we had mushrooms on the

  • island for my

  • him part. My what bridal party

  • before we were not with Johnny.

  • I was not with Johnny the time.

  • Was your wedding with Mister

  • Depp on the island right to be

  • clear we were both on the same

  • Island we just we're around

  • each other that evening wead h

  • kind of step parties bridal

  • party and the greens party.

  • And your wedding was a month

  • before Australia, corrt.ec

  • A new range to have drugins

  • your wedding Like I said we had

  • much rooms on for my bril

  • party beforehand.

  • On the island for your wedding

  • before the wedding.

  • On the island, yes they split

  • latest exhibit 1, 2, 6, 2,

  • This is an e-mail you sentn o

  • 2/1/2015 corre.

  • I'm going to move to

  • admit and published plaintiff's

  • exhibit 1, 2, 6, 2 any

  • objection.

  • >> All right since we have a

  • little bit of time it seems

  • here I want to bring in my

  • guest for some analysis joining

  • me in Saint Paul Minnesota,

  • criminal defense attorney and

  • former prosecutor Jack Rice is

  • on the show Jack good to have

  • you along

  • with me. I'm anxious to get

  • your take on day 2 of eth

  • cross.

  • >> You know what I think amber

  • heard could do herself a lot of

  • favors by just acknowledging

  • her limitations.

  • >> The problem is is every

  • slight

  • that's what des team that's

  • what Depp's lawyer is doing

  • going after every slight even

  • small ones because what she's

  • really doing is chipping away

  • slowly neighbors credit Realty

  • every single time

  • that happens and amber heard

  • actually fights back wchhi

  • actually country really even

  • more you build a benefit to

  • doing that is that when you cut

  • somebody is credibility ouarnd

  • the edges. It makes you

  • doubt everything else and I

  • think the jury is watching this

  • and wondergin

  • do we believe anything she says

  • because she's being confronted

  • absolutely buy things that that

  • aren't true

  • and she can't even acknowledge

  • that's a problem. I agree with

  • you, Jack, you know I

  • have to.

  • >> Criticisms really of the

  • herd team in one of them goes

  • to the point you just mention

  • and that is witness

  • preparation. They are to have

  • prepared her they had all ekwe

  • to prep pair her for this

  • right egg. This should heav

  • been such an easy job for emth

  • to help her and to understand

  • that look you don't fight on

  • ery single question you're

  • asked fight where you need to

  • fight explain wheryou e need

  • to explain. But concede what

  • should be conceded and you're

  • right every time she she

  • puts up a fight and won't

  • concede it's chipping away and

  • chipping away ater h

  • credibility, Jack.

  • >> But maybe the question

  • is always there there is

  • whether or not they didn't

  • spend the time to actually

  • prepper enough the other

  • possibility here is that she's

  • incredible meaning that they

  • can't control their weight, yes

  • and they can't control

  • their client that happens to

  • where they decided that eyth

  • know better than everybody else

  • I've seen this on both sides

  • where on the one West to do all

  • the prepping but at the same

  • time. There may be a

  • circumstance where no matter

  • what I do. They are the ldwi

  • card. They will go down path

  • that is just tears as well I

  • just don't know which one it

  • is.

  • >> Right, yeah, I know we may

  • never know because you know

  • we're not it's

  • not represent in her were tno

  • on either team or not on team

  • heard were not on team de Pere

  • team Court TV here we call and

  • strikes and we have people like

  • you Jack Rice to come on and

  • help us do it. My second

  • itcricism of her

  • team is they need to be

  • protecting her more on the

  • witness stand and I know you

  • know all about that Jack

  • because you teach

  • trial advocacy like I do and

  • part of your job as an advocate

  • when you got to tnwiess up

  • there's

  • protected them from a cross

  • examination, especially one

  • that's as aggressive as this

  • one.

  • >> Yeah, no question about it

  • we think about this you need to

  • meco back with asked and

  • answered this is repetitive in

  • some ways you to be able to

  • slow down. The opposing counsel

  • that's what

  • earlier should be doing ritgh

  • now there's also an

  • argumentative aspect to this I

  • remember when Camille desks i

  • actually dropped how convenient

  • my response is I'm on my ftee

  • because that's really

  • important too.

  • >> Exactly it would be exactly

  • it's argumentative it's also

  • testimony from Council and you

  • make a motioton

  • strike and you requester

  • honored to instruct the jury

  • to disregard that that's what

  • Jack rice and I would have done

  • if we were Council, let'gos

  • back in now that little paws is

  • over.

  • >> And if we could pleeas

  • have misheard email published

  • to the jury are 1262 i

  • evidence.

  • This is the schedule for you

  • wedding weekend

  • right MR. No it's not it's a

  • proposed draft of a scheledu

  • ended up being

  • quite different. We'll see

  • where it says 07:00PM rehearsal

  • dinner.

  • And the next item on the

  • list says quote after danc

  • party and drugs and music.

  • So you plan to have drugs that

  • your wedding to someone yo

  • characterize the drug addict.

  • >> To be fair we were gointo

  • have separate.

  • >> Parties as I mentioned

  • bridal

  • party before this the schedule

  • ended up changing quite a bit

  • and this is a draft clearly

  • that was

  • sent before. There are a lot of

  • changes made the bridal sortf o

  • some sort.

  • >> Your original idea was to

  • have a rehearsal dinner with

  • your husband, the drug addict

  • the monster. And then do drugs

  • with your girlfriends on the

  • island after rehearsal dinner.

  • >> I realize that's what the

  • email suggests that that wasn't

  • now a plant withts i

  • adjustments heard what you sdai

  • in that e-mail right but what

  • I'm sure.

  • >> It is is that the schedule

  • changing we ended up doing the

  • little so why do we have

  • driver. Yeah very dear original

  • idea.

  • >> I was to do drugs on an

  • island after rehearsal dinner

  • to

  • the drug. Field monster that

  • you are about to marry rhtig

  • the the as email suggests there

  • were there was going to be we

  • need on the island. This does

  • not reference the couple that I

  • just referenced to you.

  • You want to drive on special

  • occasions rightness or I have.

  • And you did drugs again r

  • your

  • 30th birthday right that is

  • correct I was a huge mistake.

  • The 30th birthday dinner was on

  • 4/21/2016. Yes, it was day a

  • before my birthday correct.

  • He testified that Mister Dpep

  • was running late to the

  • celebration cracked that is

  • correct us Mister Depp to bring

  • you alcohol when he arrived

  • that right so the utility

  • closet where we kept the wine

  • was right by

  • the elevator. And I also told

  • him he could bringn ia joint I

  • wouldn't buy his head off if

  • you did. So that

  • the yes that's I told him I

  • wouldn't be angry.

  • Let's look at Clinton's exhibit

  • 1, 2, 6,, 3

  • >> Your honor I'm going to ask

  • to shop for so this one hasn't

  • been produced in this is not it

  • is a

  • brand new traveling to that so

  • don't have an I'd like an

  • unredacted copy and then I'd

  • like an reduction happy to be

  • shown to the with the

  • unredacted copy. We can we

  • can make when you're on okay.

  • Not even be approached about

  • this.

  • >> Okay so that's concerning

  • that amber heard's team is

  • saying they haven't received a

  • copy.

  • >> Of wh.at

  • >> Counsel for Johnny Depp is

  • intending to cross him heardn o

  • because there's something

  • called discovery in trials you

  • may have heard about that where

  • ink of it like sharing where

  • each side odpruces to the other

  • side what they're going to be

  • introducing at trial. It's kd

  • of a rule of fairness.

  • Something else I want to point

  • out in and in we obviously

  • aren't able to interject at

  • every point during this trial.

  • But this important point.

  • I've noticed this multiple

  • times this morning that Camille

  • Vasquez talks over

  • amber heard when amber heard is

  • testifying and I've been in

  • front of many judges who wlil

  • never tolerate that

  • conduct by a lawyer because

  • it's very important that the

  • court reporter takes down every

  • single part of the answer even

  • if you're the attorney and you

  • don't like the answer you t

  • the witness answer and

  • this is really on amber heard's

  • Council to be standing up dan

  • saying your honor please

  • strucked Mister Depp's Couilnc

  • to not talk over the witness,

  • but they're not doing that so

  • Camille Vasquez to her cretdi

  • keeps controlling amber heard

  • very well on the witness stand

  • and amber heard's team is not

  • jumping up and objecting in

  • trying to control the crsos

  • examination as they should

  • looks like they're still at

  • sidebar let me bring in Jack

  • Jack you heard the point I w

  • just making I

  • know that you you would have

  • been speaking up the first time

  • it happened with Council

  • speaking over the witness.

  • >> Yeah, I'm the I'm here doing

  • it comes ufop r you because I

  • completely agree with you a big

  • part of this is controlling the

  • environment and also tryintog

  • to country

  • will the opposing counseIl

  • think that amber heard lawyer

  • needs to be on their feet they

  • do a lot more often whether or

  • not it kind of ask as doestn'

  • like the answer is sort of

  • the road but once it starts

  • rollinoug t I want to hear the

  • rest of it and from the

  • perspective of the judge.

  • The court reporter trying to

  • right every single word down

  • that is in possible when you're

  • stopped when you're talking

  • over

  • one another and normally it's

  • the judge to bite my head fof

  • when the app.

  • >> It's exactly Jack here we

  • haven't heard her honor say

  • anything

  • and so if I were opposing count

  • if I were amber heard's lawyer

  • I would be jumping up in

  • requesting the instruction from

  • the

  • court too opposing becseau

  • she'll just continue to keep

  • doing it.

  • >> But but Camille is relyal

  • smart she's the one is that

  • nobody stopping be guess what

  • it's in my courtroom, it's not

  • just it's not opposing counsel,

  • it's mom.

  • >> exactly she's going tkeepo

  • on going I would do

  • the same saying she's going to

  • keep on pushing those limits

  • and tell she is reined in and

  • looks like she's requeingst

  • something from one of her.

  • Legal teammates there onhe

  • depth team.

  • I have to say having a week to

  • prepare for a cross examination

  • is every trial lawyer's dream.

  • >> Is it not Jack Rice.

  • >> usually behind because uyo

  • finish and

  • a year 10 hours in the

  • courtroom, you got to do

  • another 6 or

  • 8 hours press. And that that

  • happens afterward because you

  • have to be able to respond.

  • It after you hear what you just

  • heard so you can the whole

  • thing before heading to get

  • prepared for it.

  • >> this cross examinatioisn

  • very strong and it should be

  • that way as Council and the

  • e team has had

  • a week to prepare It's running

  • very smoothly up the

  • >> Thank you for being with us

  • here in court to be live this

  • Tuesday. I'm Julie Grant we're

  • watching death versus heard

  • playing out

  • in Virginia. Amber heard is on

  • the witness stand for the

  • second day in a row on cross

  • examine nation, let's go in now

  • togeerth exactly where we left

  • off.

  • >> Any

  • objection 63s iredacted not

  • know you're all right well, 63

  • happened. Thank you thank you.

  • Ron.

  • Miss her directing our

  • attention to the point is it

  • well 63, this is a text message

  • that you sent to Mister

  • Depp correct. That is correct

  • and and you sent this message

  • to Mister Depp the day you had

  • your 30th birthday

  • dinner right that is correct

  • you write quote hey baby bring

  • up something to drink and or a

  • joint.

  • I'm in if you are see you in a

  • minute question mark xx today

  • read that right that is

  • correct.

  • And then the nt exday he went

  • to coach Alan consumed ndma

  • motion. All right Mister I did

  • Johnny was not there for that.

  • Let's talk a little bit more

  • about your 30th birthday.

  • He testified about this

  • incident multiple times haven't

  • you that is correct.

  • But yesterday u yotold this

  • jury that

  • you are not called upon to

  • provide a detailed accounting

  • of all physical and sexual

  • abuse by Mister Depp until

  • February 202

  • I testified that I had not been

  • able to do so until February

  • 2020.

  • >> outside of the context of

  • the ldco

  • up such actually I I misspoke

  • February 2022 this year right

  • sorry I I did the same thing

  • you did.

  • And you did something you did

  • that in something called in to

  • Robert Horry is

  • that correct.

  • >> The intricate or a response

  • was the first time that I could

  • do that outside of the context

  • of being asked the certain

  • questions and deposition.

  • >> And you testified about your

  • 30th birthday in the center of

  • a Tory correct. I believe

  • yes.

  • Nonetheless you testified to

  • new details, your 30th birthday

  • for the first time ts

  • courtroom didn't you.

  • But no that's incorrect sexual

  • assault,

  • no less. I had just not least

  • when that happened I was never

  • I was never suref ithat was

  • the same time he did on eth

  • night my birthday and I

  • maintain that well my

  • deposition you told history

  • that the evening of your 30th

  • birthday dinner Mister Depp

  • well grab you by the

  • pubic bone pubic area and quote

  • UNQUOTE push you down right

  • that is correct.

  • Details in a year and a roet

  • or responses at misheard.

  • That detail is in my

  • introductory response. Yes.

  • Well if you're in the repertory

  • response. We could please bring

  • up

  • We can go to your inner rocky

  • promontory response to ttha

  • page 57.

  • These are signed with penalty

  • of perjury cracked that is

  • good. You testified again to

  • isth

  • jury that this was the first

  • time you were given an

  • opportunity to write down

  • everything include all your

  • evidence right that is correct

  • okay, let's go to page7.

  • At the top of page 57 Johnny

  • and I were not in a good place

  • I begged him to makey m

  • birthday dinner to see that.

  • Story on page 57 you start

  • describi yngour birthday dinner

  • correct that is corrt.ec

  • Page 59 of your in Iraq, a Tory

  • response, the righ

  • 4th paragraph down

  • Johnny grabbing one holding you

  • down and I remember him asking

  • me if I thought I was so tou.gh

  • >> He asked me 3, 4 times up

  • close to my face you're so suc

  • a tough

  • guy home. You think you're so

  • tough what you can do now stood

  • up at some point after getting

  • off the ground.

  • And then you right

  • after I remember crying and I

  • remember feeling exhausted and

  • frustrated and it hit me

  • meaning the realization of how

  • sad it was. But I was going to

  • wake up tomorrow my birtay

  • without him.

  • Where in the center are Tory

  • response misheard you describe

  • Mister Depp.

  • >> Quote grabbing you buy the

  • pubic bone pubic area dan

  • pushing down. On page 64

  • Page oneo t

  • 3 paragraphs down. Johnny

  • grabbed me wants to this timing

  • thing side of the bed and Penn

  • House 3 grab my China, help me

  • there asked me if I was so

  • tough.

  • They're not describing wtha

  • happened after your 30th

  • birthday. I am I just had tno

  • prescribed it to that date the

  • limited evidence at

  • the time only in the course of

  • looking at the evidence

  • preparing for this case haven't

  • put those 2 pieces together.

  • But I've always said what

  • happened.

  • You were upset that Mister Depp

  • was late to your 30th birtayhd

  • were you

  • I was.

  • >> You knew Mister da to

  • schedule business meeting or

  • money meetg inthat evening

  • right.

  • >> No I knew he said he did I

  • didn't know if he had won

  • addicts lie all the ti.

  • A ticket with a big grain of

  • salt.

  • Mister Depp Tech to do that

  • evening to let you know he'de

  • late. Yes, he did text me

  • some point. It was a big deal

  • to them Mister Depp was late to

  • your birthday dinner wast.n'

  • Yeah yeah, it did matter to me

  • you are upset. He was late, I

  • was I

  • was hurt. And when you finally

  • did arrive, he felt quot

  • invisible to him.

  • The day after your birthday

  • dinner, you and your friends

  • went to Coachella to celebrate

  • your birthday correct that

  • is correct. You made a video

  • driving to the child with your

  • friends didn't you that is

  • correct like to pull a

  • plaintiff's exhibit one

  • to 6 4 and for the recd oryour

  • honor this only music without

  • any words on it.

  • And again it's a new one so I'd

  • like a copy of it it's going t

  • be played.

  • There there is no sound other

  • than a song which yes su.

  • >> Well I have to say one of

  • the keys to a great cross is if

  • you can throw the witness off

  • balance and that was what I saw

  • watching this here it seems

  • very clear that Johnny Depp's

  • attorney is getting under and

  • for her and skin a bit you can

  • tell the way she's answering

  • even the expression on her face

  • is changing. Her counsel shodul

  • have really prepped are on thi

  • so if you feel

  • your your nerves are getting to

  • you or you feel like this is

  • aggravating retain during uyo

  • take a deep Brett pause try

  • to relax gs oein to witness

  • preparation. Both sides had a

  • week to do that we're going hit

  • the pause button we're going to

  • We're staying with us here on

  • Court TV live of Julie let's go

  • back into the courtroom

  • together now from more of day 2

  • of the cross examinationf o

  • amber heard.

  • >> And if you know your are 12,

  • >> This is the video you made

  • when you drove to coach on with

  • your for your 30th birthday

  • right. That's correct. I'm not

  • quite sure which one of us made

  • the video but that's correct.

  • You featured in a video driving

  • that's correct.

  • And it's set to the song Missy

  • by the Rolling Stones is that

  • right. That's correct that was

  • a message for Mister dopp

  • wasn't.

  • You can drugs at Coachella

  • didn't you.

  • You took MDMA mushrooms at the

  • same time I I did yes and it

  • made you

  • feel sick. All right I feel

  • horrible. Yes, so you left

  • Coachella yes that's corre.ct

  • Testified

  • yesterday it yesterday that

  • when you left Coachella you

  • left with quote your entire

  • grp.ou

  • And you are quote never along

  • with Starling right that is

  • correct you weren't anywhere

  • near him.

  • We sat here when certain

  • Jenkins testified that he from

  • Coachella when you are sick

  • right he picked up my entire

  • group. Mister Jenkins

  • testified quota collected her

  • got her in the vehicle she

  • didn't want anyone else to know

  • that she was sick take her bkac

  • to

  • the Parker should I sing was a

  • reference to the

  • hotel alone. I took her to a

  • 7.11 where I retreat hydrangti

  • fluids Advil and let her have

  • those got her back up to the

  • Parker, sweet and then went

  • back to pick up everyone else.

  • You were there when Mister

  • Jenkins testified right, yes,

  • he was wrong that your

  • testimony that Mister Jenksin

  • line is just wrong. I don't

  • know what his intentions are he

  • says.

  • >> And about that we were a big

  • group of us I was on with them.

  • >> Possible that you don't

  • remember correctly because you

  • are sick from taking MDMA

  • mushrooms at the time. Yeah, I

  • remember everything about atth

  • night. Went to play for uyo

  • plan to see exhibit.

  • One to 2,

  • 9 which is already in evidceen

  • at 1720 through 2128.

  • >> Proceeding homes.

  • >> Stop the process.

  • >> That's what really happened

  • the evening and your 30th

  • birthday isn't misheard notice

  • that's incorrect. Mister Depp

  • was

  • in bed and and then you came

  • around the bed and started

  • punching him that's incorrt.ec

  • You deny

  • that in the recording to you

  • misheard I'm not having that

  • conversation

  • with John.

  • >> I'm not denying anything I'm

  • not saying anything about

  • having that conversation with

  • Johnny I was trying to get out

  • of that hotel room that was a

  • mediation attempt that was the

  • recording just heard was a

  • meeting in a hotel.

  • >> You're talking about your

  • 30th birthday know or not

  • you're not talking about going

  • to Coachella on John is talking

  • about that I'm not argue whit

  • them about any of that.

  • You know deny anything do I'm

  • not talking to him about tt.ha

  • ing Gopublished exhibit or ask

  • that the witness be shown in

  • exhibit 1, 2, 6,, 5

  • >> See you and your friendats

  • Coachella correct that is

  • correct the move to admit into

  • this 1, 2, 6, 5, and

  • publish it.

  • >> No detection by 1, 2, 65,,

  • evidence and publish it.

  • >> No injuries to you are there

  • misheard visible in this

  • picture you cannot see any

  • visible injury now.

  • The surge you remember during

  • Mister Depp's examination, a

  • number of recordings were

  • played correct

  • that's correct. And one of

  • those recordings you told

  • Mister Depp.

  • >> Quote I hope to God, Jack

  • stop father.

  • Jack's new stepfather or.

  • Jack is Mister Dobson right

  • that

  • is correct.

  • >> And I believe that the I was

  • referencing a marriage of his

  • ex partner was going to have

  • we're getting into us fos.lk

  • >> You for seen

  • Jack's to stepat-fher would

  • teach him how to be a man

  • because Mister Depp could and I

  • don'ret call exactly what I

  • said, but it was something to

  • that effect. Let's listen to

  • some of what hpeapned before he

  • said that.

  • To Mister if we could please

  • play plaintiff's exhibit, 3, 9,

  • 7, which is alreyad

  • in evidence for the record it

  • set 35 0, 4 through 3547nd a

  • then the next clip,

  • it's 3635 through 40 are going

  • to show you.

  • >> Every bit of this we just

  • need to hit

  • a break. One little bit of the

  • trial speak I want to explain

  • when you hear the word

  • publishing here these lawyers

  • saying it all

  • the time, your honor permission

  • to publish to the jury can we

  • publish this to the jury is

  • just a fancy way of saying hey

  • we show this to the jury when I

  • teach trial advocacy I always

  • teach the lawyers to use the

  • word show because.

  • Folks in the jury box might be

  • wondering what does publish

  • needs so there you have ait

  • little trial speak explained

  • Welcome back to court to be

  • live your front row seat to

  • justice I'm Julie Graham are

  • watching debt versus heard

  • plan. Now this is day

  • number 2 of amber heard on the

  • witness stand for crs

  • examination as

  • we were heading to the Council

  • for Johnny Depinp dicated that

  • she wanted to play another

  • recording you have Mister

  • moment of it, let's go bactok

  • court together now

  • >> You know a moe

  • >> eventually he would going

  • stay in one of the other

  • houses. We call on the cell out

  • don't yo

  • I was

  • expressing frustration autbo

  • his criticism of my career and

  • how many problems that caused

  • within the dynamic of our

  • relationship. Yes, si com, a

  • sellout and

  • a joke. I call them horrible

  • ugly things as you can hear.

  • So out the spoke to each other

  • and I'm really horrible way.

  • We just heard you speak to him

  • and really horrible way you

  • called him a sell out in jus

  • And you want to sell out right

  • Mister, I called him a lot

  • about the kind of joke and

  • called him a lot about these

  • things called him a joke on

  • that recording.

  • Got you that role commdan

  • didn't he. No must ask as I got

  • myself that role b

  • auditioning.

  • That is quote your jealousis

  • so tragic.

  • I heard him say that yes you

  • are the jealous when this

  • relationship where you misheard

  • I think he was indicatg, I

  • was jealous of his career.

  • Now you've twisted it to say

  • was Mister dot of so jeaus,lo

  • I'm James always been

  • very jealous when I worked when

  • I did anything friends. Yes,

  • he's always been very jealous.

  • Certainly not ask you to take a

  • look at plants exhibit one t0o

  • This is a series of text

  • messages between you and Mister

  • Depp.

  • I'm going to move to admit and

  • published thees

  • text messages. Mister deaf

  • messages have been redacted any

  • objection know you're all right

  • one 20 average published

  • Starts with a text message fm

  • you Mister dopp on September

  • 2620 15 right. That is correct.

  • You write monsters back this is

  • him I read that right atth

  • is correct and then in the next

  • message you write quote ran

  • away for signed trouble, this

  • is not the man he promise you

  • be did I read that correctly

  • that is correct.

  • And in the next one downright

  • promised swore to me you would

  • .be

  • Mister you're talking about

  • Mister dopp running away from

  • you at the first sign of

  • trouble aren't you. No I'm I'm

  • I'm recognizing includest a

  • this point when he went.

  • Rit ghaway the for Senate

  • trouble often that was a clue

  • for me to know that he was back

  • using again and now we're abtou

  • to enter the next phase of the

  • cycle. You described as rain

  • away from us. The monster.

  • That wasn't what wasn't months

  • of the monsters that

  • the man who beat me up the

  • running away was just it it

  • hatched to that it was a sigan

  • signal to me as a clue.

  • >> As somebody trying to P put

  • together That we were in

  • turning that into that base.

  • But in these

  • messages, MR. In the Easter

  • isn't Mister Depp doing drugs

  • isn't it was the man who did

  • drugs and beat me up yes that's

  • always been Sir that's not what

  • you're saying these messages

  • that is exactly what I'm seeing

  • in the message. You know

  • describe Mister Depp being

  • violent to you.

  • I do not describe that in this

  • text message now. So if the

  • power the monster this time,

  • .no

  • Going down the page

  • right along series of text

  • messages

  • to MR. That don't get a

  • response is that correct that

  • is correct you right.

  • >> And continuing on page 77

  • you're right

  • its. i

  • >> Those are some ugly audio

  • recordings played for this jury

  • lot of ugly details comingut

  • they're going to have to do a

  • lot of sorngti out of all of it

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