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I think for the past 100 years the industrial revolution put us into small cages.

Consumerism has cute a lot of creativity.

But for the post industrial generation they should have more freedom to create to explore to invent.

I think she'll make a movement and we're bringing it back.

So we're here with the maker bought cupcake CNC which is a three D printer.

You can build things like Thom Yorke head because he actually open sourced the data that was filmed for a video of his.

Now what's also interesting about this whole scenario is that there's a whole thriving community of users who are taking these to build all kinds of different objects.

They're sharing the objects online and additionally there sharing information on how to build and improve upon the design.

Everything is completely open source to the software is open source.

The hardware is open source and I just can't wait to see what people come up with.

Yeah, talent done.

I think the recent emerging of the makeup movement, pretty much starting around 2003, in the us laser cutting and 3D printing is helping people to be able to build, stop and actually build it for fun rather than just having business purpose right around that time, this guy named dale dougherty, he was thinking about starting a publication called make before Mick came out, the only word we had was a hacker, right?

And I think he didn't want to call the magazine hack because it had a really negative connotation at the time and make was sort of the thing you would type to compile a program so it would resonate with with programmers.

Maker was like sort of the de minimum of people who would read the magazine that sort of coined the term Maker.

I think increasing that publication, he sort of solidified the movement and the Maker faire created that phenomenon in china the beginning, nobody knows about makers, nobody cared about maker.

But because we're going to make fears in new york area were so jealous.

So instead of waiting for someone to do it and we say, why don't we do it?

When they told me they were to bring the first Maker faire here, I was like how do you have a maker faire?

In an area where people don't make for a recreational thing, they do it for a job, right?

Because making in the west is something that you're using to remind people who are in service economies that there's a thing called manufacturing, right?

When you have a manufacturing economy you wanna remind them, there's manufacturing.

It seems weird.

And what I realized is that actually china's middle class is the size of the entire United States population.

So even if a small section of chinese people had risen to the upper middle class, it's big enough to create a movement in china itself compared to the United States scale of making, we don't know it's going to be successful or not.

The first year we have over 60 makers and last year we have over 200 makers.

It's a huge number.

Some interesting phenomenon.

Also emerging out of this in the past years, what's happening is the open source hardware movement?

Traditionally the Singapore is closed and proprietary.

You need to have a contract and nondisclosure and a huge sum of pre payment in order to get access.

But with open source hardware, everybody can access to that information and everybody can modify that to suit their needs.

People here that create a Singapore and just under the expectation it is going to be open, it's going to be copy and evolved by someone else.

There's no one running around in center and say, okay, well I should be created for creating this.

If someone else can make this, get someone else to use it Marian, the better not having the ego attached to the creations and understand how actually open source system works.

The maker movement is at that junctures.

I'm getting a little sick of hearing about the same people on tv over and over and over again.

So I decided to do something about it.

This Arduino project which I called the enough already will mute the tv anytime any of these over exposed personalities is mentioned to mute the tv, I'm going to use an IR LED.

Now, anytime a keyword is mentioned, the TV will mute for 30 seconds.

Our producers caught up with Kim Kardashian earlier today, it should do a pretty good job of protecting our ears from having to hear about the details of kim Kardashian's wedding.

How do you know?

It's becoming the trigger point because it has so many millions of makers using that.

This is a prototype trying to make an aerobic arm for their people have pockets and diseases.

We won't make a spoon like this.

And if you just shake here Stending, if we come to Shenzhen like 10 years ago, 20 years ago it would be very difficult for our maker to tap into the resources.

But now you have so many resources, it's in the middle of a reforming.

So the big companies, especially the uh silicon providers like intel like male like T.

I, they look at that oh we have new customers, we have new possibility for new future applications of our technologies.

So they make their own counselor board like Edison like yuri, so they want to tap into the opening stage of the development of the applications.

Now.

This board is based on the intel technology, so it's tiny, dual core computer system, It has wifi, Bluetooth and it's also, it's around the Linux operating system on it, you do not need to write any boring code right in a smart note, you can just drag and drop and link them together.

We have tried to introduce it to nine years old.

This is a little bit difficult.

That is acceptable.

What they're doing is they're learning how to code on a computer, translate that into hardware and they'll build a project on our laser cutter or a three d printer for something to accept a stimulus, light, motion or sound and then output some result.

Last year, one kid built a key reminder for his mom so that when she left the house, a motion sensor would pick up her movement and say, hey, don't forget the key.

And it's kind of funny to hear that a eight year old will know whether he wants to be doing mechanical circuits, mechanical objects connected with circuits or just a purely software experience so that that's inter level and then we'll give them more systematic introduction to how to build up the skews off you go.

You can use the mixture space to create whatever you want.

You are a genius.

You are young inventors.

I've seen some great examples of open source hardware being used to actually make a difference and create a better world.

And the difficulty is monetizing that because I do believe that business solves a lot of the world's problems um, and people need to be able to make money.

So if you're providing value to the world, which is making the world a better place, then there should be compensation for that.

So as long as you're open source model can work to be monetized in some way, then I do believe that it is a really good way to very quickly get better and better better products.

The question is how do you monetize it?

In 2010 I started the first maker space in China called Contagion.

I got invited a lot to give a talk about open source power.

The first question always come out from people's minds is how do you protect your intellectual property and how can you make money if you don't protect your intellectual property?

I got that question in shanghai, I got a question in Beijing I got that question everywhere I go, but when I give the same talk and send that, The reaction I got is so what's new about this?

We've been making money on this for 20 years.

The reason we're here in Bombay is literally because of the electronic markets, you know, it's a fantastic resource of all different possible components and different devices which can kind of be Frankenstein together to make prototypes by the teams.

It's a source of inspiration.

It's a source of discovery of new products that could potentially be taken to the west and like I see Every month a different invention down there nine times out of 10, they're probably not gonna make it to the West, but some of them do.

I want to see what's even upstream of what's going to hit the top of the United States.

You can get a little bit of feel here.

You see a couple of things popping up here, they're a little shop.

Well, right, pop out of nowhere selling these things you have heard of before, Like the hoverboards were here a couple of years before they hit the United States.

And then you eventually sort of see them hit the States and other countries.

There's a number of different ways to sort of look at the market for an engineer.

You're sort of limited, it's thumbing through catalogs and looking at pictures and very slowly going through specification sheets and, and waiting a day for stuff to come.

And for example, if you want to put a switch in a product, um, you want to know how it feels, you want to kind of know the exact size and the little mountings and the fussy bits and it can take a long time to find exactly the right part.

You come here and there like stalls with like, like 1000 switches in it, like hundreds of different types and you can just reach in and just touch them and play with them and can like walk, stall by stall by Stalin and see all the different variety.

It's a huge bizarre essentially of components, all of them are sort of immediately here right now and it's not that it's not just a showroom, if once you find this what you like, you can be like highlighted by 1000 of them and then for a very low price you can just over the counter, buy it, carry it off and you know, go into production.

It's got a huge amount of acquired knowledge and skills.

There's electrical engineers there who sold up 50 PCBs for you in record time or you can go together, you can go down there and piece together different components to make a new mobile phone and there's nowhere else in the world you can do that.

The interesting thing about the components that you get there is, you know, that often stripped out of other products that have been created and so you know, you can get like a chip set that was in a notebook for example, you know, just less than $15 which can enable computing power inside a new product and that's a fantastic resource for some of the, some of the startups.

But then also that kind of philosophy has kind of spread out all around china, you can fix your phone here.

Yeah, it's like a on you shorty, so you know, it's actually in a car actually chopped off the hotel cut to my brush out here.

So in the time of the, we're starting to look at the maker coming to Shenzhen and when they're starting to write about their sentence experience, that's this excitement on how open the system is.

Like nowhere else.

You can find all sorts of stuff.

Everything is available in volume.

And that part of the openness becoming the attractions bringing more people making highways to send them find things on the west, as soon as they're starting to turn into business, they fall into the old models of the everything preparatory keeping this secret.

And there's a binary distinction between the makers and the howard startup in the west.

The maker, you do this for fun, you do this for your passions.

But when you're starting to make this into a business, you should forget about sharing, you should forget about all this open stuff and focusing on the business in here.

There's very little differentiations between I want to make this for fun and I want to make this for profit.

There's no binary division of the mindset of makers versus startups.

Maker and a startup in china is a continuous, you should have been stopped from making money out of the thing you love to do.

Uh and you should not be forced to choose between open and proprietary just because you want to become a business right now.

It's just in the west that we haven't seen open source power system working, They just sort of like, oh the schematics are on the desk, I will conveniently help myself with them, make a photocopy and then leave the factory with them.

Right?

You know, was that stealing or that open source?

Right.

In in the West, it's called theft.

Right.

And out here it's called sharing.

I don't think that the West fully understands it yet.

The notion of kind of just moving faster than your competitors rather than fighting over.

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I think it's something that will become more and more relevant.

Mm hmm.

Thank you.