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  • and that'll happen automatically in my  opinion because i am putting pro-life  

  • injustices on the court i will say this it will  go back to the states and the states will then  

  • make a determination secretary clinton well i i  strongly support roe v wade which guarantees a  

  • constitutional right to a woman to make the most  intimate most difficult in many cases decisions  

  • about her health care that one can imagine  and in this case it's not only about roe v  

  • wade it is about what's happening right  now in america so many states are putting  

  • very stringent regulations on women that block  them from exercising that choice to the extent  

  • that they are defunding planned parenthood  which of course provides all kinds of cancer  

  • screenings and other benefits for uh women in our  country donald has said he's in favor of defunding  

  • planned parenthood he even supported shutting the  government down to defund planned parenthood i  

  • will defend planned parenthood i will defend roe  v wade and i will defend women's rights to make  

  • their own health care decisions we have come too  far to have that turn back now and in indeed he  

  • said women should be punished that there should be  some form of punishment uh for women uh who obtain  

  • abortions and i could just not be more opposed  to that kind of thinking i'm going to give you a  

  • chance to respond but i want to ask you secretary  clinton i want to explore how far you believe the  

  • right to abortion goes you have been quoted as  saying that the fetus has no constitutional rights  

  • you also voted against a ban on late term partial  birth abortions why because roe v wade very  

  • clearly sets out that there can be regulations on  abortion so long as the life and the health of the  

  • mother are taken into account and when i voted as  a senator i did not think that that was the case  

  • the kinds of cases that fall at the end of  pregnancy are often the most heartbreaking  

  • painful decisions for families to make i have met  with women who toward the end of their pregnancy  

  • get the worst news one could get that their health  is in jeopardy if they continue to carry to term  

  • or that something terrible has happened or  just been discovered about the pregnancy i  

  • do not think the united states government should  be stepping in and making those most personal of  

  • decisions so you can regulate if you are doing  so with the life and the health of the mother  

  • taken into account mr trump your reaction and  particularly on this issue of late term partial  

  • birth well i think it's terrible if you go with  what hillary is saying in the ninth month you  

  • can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb  of the mother just prior to the birth of the baby  

  • now you can say that that's okay and hillary can  say that that's okay but it's not okay with me  

  • because based on what she's saying and based  on where she's going and where she's been  

  • you can take the baby and rip the baby out of  the womb in the ninth month on the final day  

  • and that's not acceptable well that is not what  happens in these cases and using that kind of  

  • scare rhetoric is just terribly unfortunate you  should meet with some of the women that i've met  

  • with women i've known over the course of my life  this is one of the worst possible choices that  

  • any woman in her family has to make and i do not  believe the government should be making it you  

  • know i've had the great honor of traveling across  the world on behalf of our country i've been to  

  • countries where governments either forced women  to have abortions like they used to do in china  

  • or forced women to bear children like they used  to do in romania and i can tell you the government  

  • has no business in the decisions that women make  with their families in accordance with their  

  • faith with medical advice and i will stand up for  that right all right just briefly i want to move  

  • on honestly nobody has business doing what i just  said doing that as late as one or two or three or  

  • four days prior to birth nobody has that all right  let's move on to the subject of immigration uh and  

  • there is almost no issue that separates the two  of you more than the issue of immigration actually  

  • there are a lot of issues that separate the two  of you mr trump you want to build a wall secretary  

  • clinton you have offered no specific plan for  how you want to secure our southern border mr  

  • trump you are calling for major deportations  secretary clinton you say that within your first  

  • hundred days as president you're going to offer  a package that includes a pathway to citizenship  

  • uh the question really is why are you right and  your opponent wrong mr trump you go first in  

  • this segment you have two minutes well first  of all she wants to give amnesty which is a  

  • disaster and very unfair to all of the people  that are waiting on line for many many years  

  • we need strong borders in the audience tonight we  have four mothers of i mean these are unbelievable  

  • people that i've gotten to know over a period of  years whose children have been killed brutally  

  • killed by people that came into the country  illegally you have thousands of mothers and  

  • fathers and relatives all over the country they're  coming in illegally drugs are pouring in through  

  • the border we have no country if we have no border  hillary wants to give amnesty she wants to have  

  • open borders the border secure as you know the  border patrol agent sixteen thousand five hundred  

  • plus ice last week endorsed me first time they've  ever endorsed a candidate it means their job is  

  • tougher but they know what's going on they know  it better than anybody they want strong borders  

  • they feel we have to have strong borders i was  up in new hampshire the other day the biggest  

  • complaint they have it's with all of the problems  going on in the world many of the problems caused  

  • by hillary clinton and by barack obama all of the  problems their single biggest problem is heroin  

  • that pours across our southern borders just  pouring and destroying their youth it's poisoning  

  • the blood of their youth and plenty of other  people we have to have strong borders we have to  

  • keep the drugs out of our country we are right now  we're getting the drugs they're getting the cash  

  • we need strong borders we need absolute we  cannot give amnesty now i want to build the wall  

  • we need the wall the border patrol ice they  all want the wall we stop the drugs we we  

  • shore up the border one of my first acts will  be to get all of the drug lords all of the bad  

  • ones we have some bad bad people in this country  that have to go out we're going to get them out  

  • we're going to secure the border and once the  border is secured at a later date we'll make  

  • a determination as to the rest but we have some  bad hombres here and we're going to get them out  

  • mr trump thank you same question to you secretary  clinton basically why are you right mr trump is  

  • wrong well as he was talking i was thinking about  a young girl i met here in las vegas carla who was  

  • very worried that her parents might be deported  because she was born in this country but they  

  • were not they work hard they do everything they  can to give her a good life and you're right i  

  • don't want to rip families apart i don't want  to be sending parents away from children i don't  

  • want to see the deportation force that donald has  talked about in action in our country we have 11  

  • million undocumented people they have 4 million  american citizen children 15 million people he  

  • said as recently as a few weeks ago in phoenix  that every undocumented person would be subject  

  • to deportation now here's what that means it means  you would have to have a massive law enforcement  

  • presence where law enforcement officers would be  going school to school home to home business to  

  • business rounding up people who are undocumented  and we would then have to put them on trains on  

  • buses to get them out of our country i think  that is a an idea that is not in keeping with  

  • who we are as a nation i think it's an idea that  would rip our country apart i have been for border  

  • security for years i voted for border security  in the united states senate and my comprehensive  

  • immigration reform plan of course includes  border security but i want to put our resources  

  • where i think they're most needed getting rid of  any violent person anybody who should be deported  

  • we should deport them when it comes to the wall  that donald talks about building he went to  

  • mexico he had a meeting with the mexican president  didn't even raise it he choked and then got into  

  • a twitter war because the mexican president said  we're not paying for that wall so i think we are  

  • both a nation of immigrants and we are a nation  of laws and that we can act accordingly and that's  

  • why i'm introducing comprehensive immigration  reform within the first hundred days with a path  

  • to citizenship thank you secretary clinton i want  to follow i think it's i think i should respond to  

  • that first of all i had a very good meeting with  the president of mexico very nice man we will be  

  • doing very much better with mexico on trade deals  believe me the nafta deal signed by her husband's  

  • one of the worst deals ever made of any kind  signed by anybody it's a disaster hillary clinton  

  • wanted the wall hillary clinton fought for the  wall in 2006 or there abouts now she never gets  

  • anything done so naturally the wall wasn't built  but hillary clinton wanted the wall well let me uh

  • i'd like to hear from secretary clinton  i voted for border security and there are  

  • there are some limited places where that was  appropriate there also is necessarily going to  

  • be new technology and how best to deploy that  but it is clear when you look at what donald  

  • has been proposing he started his campaign bashing  immigrants calling mexican immigrants rapists and  

  • criminals and drug dealers that he has a very  different view about what we should do to deal  

  • with immigrants now what i am also arguing is  that bringing undocumented immigrants out from the  

  • shadows putting them into the formal economy will  be good because that employers can't exploit them  

  • and undercut americans wages and donald  knows a lot about this he used undocumented  

  • labor to build the trump tower he underpaid  undocumented workers and when they complained  

  • he basically said what a lot of employers  do you complain i'll get you deported  

  • i want to get everybody out of the shadows get  the economy working and not let employers like  

  • donald exploit undocumented workers which hurts  them but also hurts american workers mr trump  

  • president obama has moved millions of people  out nobody knows about it nobody talks about  

  • it but under obama millions of people have been  moved out of this country they've been deported  

  • she doesn't want to say that but that's what's  happened and that's what's happened big league  

  • uh as far as moving these people out and moving we  either have a country or we don't we're a country  

  • of laws we either have a border or we don't now  you can come back in and you can become a citizen  

  • but it's very unfair we have millions of people  that did it the right way they're online they're  

  • waiting we're going to speed up the process big  league because it's very inefficient but they're  

  • online and they're waiting to become citizens  very unfair that somebody runs across the border  

  • becomes a citizen under her plan you have open  borders you would have a disaster on trade and  

  • you will have a disaster with your open borders  but what she doesn't say is that president obama  

  • has deported millions and millions of people  just the way secretary clinton i want to  

  • we will not have open borders that is a rank  mischaracterization secretary we will have secure  

  • borders but we will also have reform and this  used to be a bipartisan issue ronald reagan was  

  • the last president immigration reform and georgebush supported it as well secretary clinton i want  

  • to clear up your position on this issue because  in a speech you gave to a brazilian bank for  

  • which you were paid 225 000 we've learned from the  wikileaks that you said this and i want to quote  

  • my dream is a hemispheric common market with open  trade and open borders so that's the question

  • that's the question please quiet everybody is that  your dream open borders well if you went on to  

  • read the rest of the sentence i was talking about  uh energy you know we trade more energy with our  

  • neighbors than we trade with the rest of the world  combined and i do want us to have a an electric  

  • grid an energy system that crosses bordersthink that would be a great benefit to us but you  

  • are very clearly uh quoting from wikileaks and  what's really important about wikileaks is that  

  • the russian government has engaged in espionage  against americans they have hacked american  

  • websites american accounts of private people of  institutions then they have given that information  

  • to wikileaks for the purpose of putting it on the  internet this has come from the highest levels of  

  • the russian government clearly from putin himself  in an effort as 17 of our intelligence agencies  

  • have confirmed to influence our election so  i actually think the most important question  

  • of this evening chris is finally will donald trump  admit and condemn that the russians are doing this  

  • and make it clear that he will not have the help  of putin in this election that he rejects russian  

  • espionage against americans which he uh actually  encouraged in the past those are the questions we  

  • need answered we've never had anything like  this happen in any of our elections before  

  • that was a great pivot off the fact that she  wants open borders okay how did we get onto  

  • putin hold on hold on hold on wait hold on folks  cause we could this is going to end up getting out  

  • of control let's try to keep it quiet so for the  candidates and for the american people so just to  

  • finish on the borders yes she wants open borders  people are going to pour into our country people  

  • are going to come in from syria she wants 550 more  people than barack obama and he has thousands and  

  • thousands of people they have no idea where they  come from and you see we are going to stop radical  

  • islamic terrorism in this country she won't even  mention the words and neither will president obama  

  • so i just want to tell you she wants open borders  now we can talk about putin i don't know putin  

  • he said nice things about me if we got along well  that would be good if russia and the united states  

  • got along well and went after isis that would be  good he has no respect for her he has no respect  

  • for our president and i'll tell you what we're  in very serious trouble because we have a country  

  • with tremendous numbers of nuclear warheads 1800  by the way where they expanded and we didn't  

  • 1800 nuclear warheads and she's playing chicken  look from everything i see has no respect for this  

  • person well that's because he'd rather havepuppet as president no pop stage it's pretty clear  

  • it's pretty clear you won't admit the russians  have engaged in cyber attacks against the united  

  • states of america that you encouraged espionage  against our people that you are willing to  

  • spout the putin line sign up for his wish list  break up nato do whatever he wants to do and that  

  • you continue to get help from him because  he has a very clear favorite in this race  

  • so i think that this is such an unprecedented uh  situation we've never had a foreign government  

  • trying to interfere in our election we  have 17 17 intelligence agencies civilian  

  • and military who have all concluded that these  espionage attacks these cyber attacks come from  

  • the highest levels of the kremlin and they are  designed to influence our election i find that  

  • deeply disturbing i think it's she has no idea  whether it's russia china or anybody no idea

  • vladimir putin than the military and civilian  intelligence professionals who are sworn to  

  • protect us i find that just absolutely she doesn't  like putin because putin has outsmarted her  

  • at every step of the way excuse me  putin has outsmarted her in syria

  • yes and i would like to ask you this direct  question the top national security officials  

  • of this country do believe that russia has been  behind these hacks even if you don't know for sure  

  • whether they are do you condemn any interference  by russia in the american election by russia or  

  • anybody else you condemn their interference of  course i condemn of course i can i don't know  

  • putin i have no this is not my best friend but if  the united states got along with russia wouldn't  

  • be so bad let me tell you putin has outsmarted  her and obama at every single step of the way  

  • whether it's syria no you name it missiles  take a look at the startup that they signed  

  • the russians have said according to many many  reports i can't believe they allowed us to do this  

  • they create warheads and we can't the russians  can't believe it she has been outsmarted by  

  • putin and all you have to do is look at the middle  east they've taken over we've spent six trillion  

  • dollars they've taken over the middle east she has  been outsmarted and outplayed worse than anybody  

  • i've ever seen in any government whatsoever we're  a long way away from their immigration but i'm  

  • going to let you finish this you got about 45  seconds yeah and she always will be i i find it  

  • ironic that he's raising nuclear uh weapons  this is a person who has been very cavalier  

  • even casual about the use of nuclear weapons he's  advocated more countries getting them japan korea  

  • even saudi arabia he said well if we have them  why don't we use them which i think is terrifying  

  • but here's the deal the bottom line on nuclear  weapons is that when the president gives the order  

  • it must be followed there's about four minutes  between the order being given and the people  

  • responsible for launching nuclear weapons to do so  and that's why 10 people who have had that awesome  

  • responsibility have come out in an unprecedented  way said they would not trust donald trump with  

  • the nuclear codes or to have his finger on the  nuclear button i have 200 generals and admirals  

  • 21 endorsing me 21 congressional medal of honor  recipients as far as japan and other countries  

  • we are being ripped off by everybody in  the world we're defending other countries  

  • we are spending a fortune doing it they have the  bargain of the century all i said is we have to  

  • renegotiate these agreements because our country  cannot afford to defend saudi arabia japan germany  

  • south korea and many other places we cannot  continue to afford she took that as saying nuclear  

  • weapons look she's been proven to be a liar on  so many different ways this is just another lie  

  • well i'm just quoting you uh when there's no  quote you're not going to find a quote from me  

  • clear nuclear uh uh competition in asia you said  you know go ahead enjoy yourselves folks that kind  

  • and defend yourself well and defend yourselfdidn't say nuclear and defend yourself united  

  • states has kept the peace through our alliances  donald wants to tear up our alliances i think  

  • it makes the world safer and frankly it makes  the united states safer i would work with our  

  • allies in asia in europe in the middle east  and elsewhere that's the only way we're going  

  • to no we're going to we are going to move on to  the next topic which is the economy and i hope  

  • we handled that as well as we did immigration  uh you also have very different ideas about  

  • how to get the economy growing faster secretary  clinton in your plan government plays a big role  

  • you see more government spending more entitlements  more tax credits more tax penalties uh mr trump  

  • you want to get government out with lower taxes  and less regulation yes we're going to drill down  

  • into this a little bit more but in this overview  please explain to me why you believe that your  

  • plan will create more jobs and growth for this  country and your opponent's plan will not in this  

  • round you go for a secretary clinton well i think  when the middle class thrives america thrives and  

  • so my plan is based on growing the economy giving  middle class families many more opportunities  

  • i want us to have the biggest jobs program  since world war ii jobs and infrastructure  

  • and advanced manufacturing i think we can compete  with high-wage countries and i believe we should  

  • new jobs and clean energy not only to fight  climate change which is a serious problem but  

  • to create new opportunities and new businesses  i want us to do more to help small business  

  • that's where two-thirds of the new jobs are  going to come from i want us to raise the  

  • national minimum wage because people who live in  poverty should not uh who work full-time should  

  • not still be in poverty and i sure do want to  make sure women get equal pay for the work we do  

  • i feel strongly that we have to have an  education system that starts with preschool  

  • and goes through college that's why i want  more technical education in high schools and in  

  • community colleges real apprenticeships to prepare  young people for the jobs of the future i want  

  • to make college debt free and for families making  less than 125 000 you will not get a tuition bill  

  • from a public college or university if the plan  that i worked on with bernie sanders uh is enacted  

  • and we're gonna work hard to make sure that it  is because we are going to go where the money is  

  • most of the gains in the last years since  the great recession have gone to the very top  

  • so we are going to have the wealthy pay their  fair share we're going to have corporations uh  

  • make a contribution greater than they are now to  our country that is a plan that has been analyzed  

  • by independent experts which said that it could  produce 10 million new jobs by contrast donald's  

  • plan has been analyzed to conclude it might  lose three and a half million jobs why because  

  • his whole plan is to cut taxes to give the biggest  tax breaks ever to the wealthy and to corporations  

  • adding 20 trillion dollars to our debt and causing  the kind of dislocation that we have seen before  

  • because it truly will be trickle-down economics on  steroids so the plan i have i think will actually  

  • produce greater opportunities the plan he has  will cost us jobs and possibly lead to another  

  • great recession secretary thank you mr trump why  will your plan create more jobs and growth than  

  • secretary clinton well first of all before i start  on my plan her plan is going to raise taxes and  

  • even double your taxes her tax plan is a disaster  and she can say all she wants about college  

  • tuition and i'm a big proponent we're going to do  a lot of things for college tuition but the rest  

  • of the public's going to be paying for it we will  have a massive massive tax increase under hillary  

  • clinton's plan but i'd like to start off where we  left because when i said japan and germany and i'm  

  • not to single them out but south korea these  are very rich powerful countries saudi arabia  

  • nothing but money we protect saudi arabia why  aren't they paying she immediately when she heard  

  • this i questioned it and i questioned nato why  aren't the nato questions why aren't they paying  

  • because they weren't paying since i did this  this was a year ago all of a sudden they're  

  • paying i've been given a lot of a lot of credit  for it all of a sudden they're starting to pay  

  • up they have to pay up we're protecting people  they have to pay up and i'm a big fan of nato  

  • but they have to pay up she comes out and said we  love our allies we think our allies are great well  

  • it's awfully hard to get them to pay up when you  have somebody saying we think how great they are  

  • we have to tell japan in a very nice way we  have to tell germany all of these countries  

  • south korea we have to say you have to help us  out we have during his regime during president  

  • obama's regime we've doubled our national  debt we're up to 20 trillion dollars so my  

  • plan we're going to renegotiate trade deals  we're going to have a lot of free trade we're  

  • going to have free trade more free trade than  we have right now but we have horrible deals  

  • our jobs are being taken out by the deal that her  husband signed nafta one of the worst deals ever  

  • our jobs are being sucked out of our economy you  look at all of the places that i just left you go  

  • to pennsylvania you go to ohio you go to florida  you go to any of them you go upstate new york  

  • our jobs have fled to mexico and other  places we're bringing our jobs back  

  • i am going to renegotiate nafta and if i can't  make a great deal then we're going to terminate  

  • nafta and we're going to create new deals we're  going to have trade but we're going to turn we're  

  • going to terminate it we're going to make a great  trade deal and if we can't we're going to do it  

  • we're going to go a separate way because it has  been a disaster we're going to cut taxes massively  

  • we're going to cut business taxes massively  they're going to start hiring people we're going  

  • to bring the two and a half trillion dollars  that's offshore back into the country we are  

  • going to start the engine rolling again because  right now our country is dying at one percent gdp  

  • well let me translate that if i can chris  because um you can the fact is he's going to uh  

  • advocate for the largest tax cuts we've ever  seen three times more than uh the tax cuts under  

  • the bush administration i have said repeatedly  throughout this campaign i will not raise taxes  

  • on anyone making 250 000 or less i also will not  add a penny to the debt i have costed out what  

  • i'm going to do he will through his massive  tax cuts add 20 trillion dollars to the debt  

  • well he mentioned the debt we know how to get  control of the debt when my husband was president  

  • we went from a 300 billion dollar deficit to a  200 billion dollar surplus and we're actually  

  • on the path to eliminating the national debt when  president obama came into office he inherited the  

  • worst economic disaster since the great depression  he has cut the deficit by two-thirds so yes one of  

  • the ways you go after the debt one of the ways you  create jobs is by investing in people so i do have  

  • investments investments in new jobs investments  in education skill training and the opportunities  

  • for people to get ahead and stay ahead that's the  kind of approach that will work cutting taxes on  

  • the wealthy we've tried that it has not worked  the way that uh it has been dr clinton i want  

  • to pursue your plan because in many ways it  is similar to the obama stimulus plan in 2009  

  • which has led to the slowest gdp growth since  1949. correct you sir uh you told me in july when  

  • we spoke that the problem is that president obama  didn't get to do enough in what he was trying to  

  • do with his stimulus so is your plan basically  more even more of the obama stimulus well it's  

  • a combination chris and let me say that when you  inherit the level of economic catastrophe that  

  • president obama inherited it was a real touch and  go situation i was in the senate before i became  

  • secretary of state i've never seen people as  physically distraught as the bush administration  

  • team was because of what was happening to the  economy i personally believe that the steps that  

  • president obama took saved the economy  he doesn't get the credit he deserves  

  • for taking some very hard positions but it was  a terrible recession so now we've dug ourselves  

  • out of it we're standing but we're not yet running  so what i am proposing is that we invest from the  

  • middle out and the ground up not the top down that  is not going to work that's why what i have put  

  • forward doesn't add a penny to the debt but it is  the kind of approach that will enable more people  

  • to take those new jobs higher paying jobs we're  beginning to see some increase in incomes and  

  • we certainly have had a long string of increasing  jobs we've got to do more to get the whole economy  

  • moving and that's what i believe i will be able to  do mr trump even conservative economists who have  

  • looked at your plan say that the numbers don't  add up that your idea and you've talked about  

  • 25 million jobs created four percent over  a 10-year period growth is unrealistic and  

  • they say you talk a lot about growing the  energy industry they say with oil prices  

  • as low as they are right now that's unrealistic  as well you're responsible so i just left

and that'll happen automatically in my  opinion because i am putting pro-life  

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美国大选第三场 02

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    Yiu Fung Chow に公開 2021 年 09 月 03 日
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