WE'RE BACK WITH THE CO-HOSTS OF SHOWTIME'S "THE CIRCUS," ALEX

WE'RE BACK WITH THE CO-HOSTS OF SHOWTIME'S "THE CIRCUS," ALEX

WAGNER, JOHN HEILEMANN, AND MARK McKINNON.

ワグナー、ジョン・ハイレマン、マーク・マッキノン

ALEX, LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO WENT UP TO

ALEX、ここに来た人たちの話をしよう

CAPITOL HILL.

キャピタル・ヒル

I KNOW THAT IN OCTOBER, YOU TALKED TO A MILITIA GROUP--

I KNOW THAT IN OCTOBER, YOU TALKED TO A MILITIA GROUP--

WHATEVER THAT NECESSARILY MEANS.

WHATEVER THAT NECESSARILY MEANS.

SELF-STYLE MILITIA GROUP.

SELF-STYLE MILITIA GROUP。

THAT ARE CALLED THE III%.

それはIII%と呼ばれています

AND I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THEM WENT TO THE RIOT THAT DAY.

その日のうちに暴動に行った者もいると思う

WHAT DID YOU TALK AWAY FROM THAT CONVERSATION?

WHAT DID YOU TALK AWAY FROM THAT CONVERSATION?

WHAT IS MOTIVATING THESE PEOPLE?

何がこの人たちのモチベーションを高めているのでしょうか？

>> A SENSE OF GRAVE INJUSTICE.

>> 重大な正義の感覚。

THEY WERE SAYING IN OCTOBER IF JOE BIDEN WINS THE ELECTION IT'S

THEY WERE SAYING IN OCTOBER IF JOE BIDEN WINS THE ELECTION IT'S

FRAUDULENT.

詐欺師

IF DONALD TRUMP DOES, IT'S NOT.

もしドナルド・トルムがやるなら、それはない。

THAT DEIFIES LOGIC BUT THAT WAS WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION.

THAT DEIFIES LOGIC BUT THAT WAS WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION.

THEY SAID THEY WERE READY FOR THE NEXT CIVIL WAR.

THEY SAID THEY WERE READY FOR THE NEXT CIVIL WAR.

THERE WAS A VERY UNIFIED SENSE OF PERSON.

そこには、非常に統一された人の感覚がありました。

THERE WAS URGENCY.

緊急性があった

THERE WAS ANGER, AND THERE WAS A SENSE OF, I WOULD SAY, MISPLACED

怒りもあったし 感覚もあった 誤解されているような...

PATRIOTISM IN ALL OF THIS.

この中に愛国心がある

THOSE ARE REALLY INTOXICATING THINGS, RIGHT?

THOSE ARE REALLY INTOXICATING THINGS, RIGHT?

LIKE THIS GROUP OF SELF-STYLED GUYS HAD BANDED TOGETHER.

LIKE THIS GROUP OF SELF-STYLED GUYS HAD BANDED TOGETHER.

THEY HAD ASSIGNED EACH OTHER QUASI-MILITARY DESIGNATIONS.

THEY HAD ASSIGNED EACH OTHER QUASI-MILITARY DESIGNATIONS.

ONE OF THEM WAS A SERGEANT.

そのうちの一人が軍曹だった

ONE OF THEM WAS A GENERAL.

そのうちの一人は将軍だった

AND THERE WAS A REAL SENSEs OF BELONGING.

そして、そこには本物の感覚がありました。

AND THAT'S ACTUALLY CENTRAL TO TRUMPISM, RIGHT.

それはトランプ主義の中心的なものであり、正しい。

PART OF THE REASON HE HAS BEEN SO-- IT'S BEEN IMPOSSIBLE TO

彼がそうであった理由の一部は...それは不可能だった

BREAK THE FEVER OF HIS RHETORIC AND HIS-- WELL, HIS

BREAK THE FEVER OF HIS RHETORIC AND HIS-- WELL, HIS

ADMINISTRATION IS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TIED TO HIM IN A VERY DEEPLY

アドミストラクションは、人々が非常に深く彼に結びついているからです。

EMOTIONAL, PERSONAL WAY.

感情的な、個人的な方法。

AND THAT WAS THE FEELING THEY GOT FROM THE MILITIA.

そして、それは彼らがミリティアから得た感覚だった。

THEY WERE EXPLICIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARMS, WEAPONRY.

彼らは知っているように、武器、兵器について明確に述べていた。

THEY WERE DOING BASIC TRAINING ON THEIR OWN.

彼らは自分たちで基本的な訓練をしていました。

THEY WERE PREPARING FOR INSURRECTION.

彼らは保険の準備をしていました。

AND VIOLENCE HAS BEEN SO LONG PART OF THE DONALD TRUMP D.N.A.,

暴力はドナルド・トルンプ国防総省の長い間の一部でした。

IT WAS REALLY A VIOLENT RHETORIC, I SHOULD SAY, THAT IT

それは本当に暴力的なレトリックだった、と言うべきか。

WAS HARD TO DISTINGUISH, AS THE F.B.I. LATER SAID THIS WEEK,

識別するのは困難だった、FBIが後で言ったように、今週。

IT'S HARD TO DISTINGUISH, LIKE, THE BRAVADO OF LANGUAGE FROM THE

それは、まるで、言語のブラバドからの言語のブラバドのように、区別するのは難しいです。

INTENTION TO ACT.

INTENTION TO ACT.

AND IN THE AFTERMATH OF THAT INTERVIEW, I SORT OF THOUGHT, MY

そのインタビューの後で思ったんだけど

GOD, LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE SHOULD REPORT THIS TO THE F.B.I.

GOD, LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE SHOULD REPORT THIS TO THE F.B.I.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU THINK, OKAY, THEY'RE JUST SAYING

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU THINK, OKAY, THEY'RE JUST SAYING

THESE THINGS.

これらのこと。

AND AS WE SEE, IT IS PAINFULLY OBVIOUS, THAT THEY HAD EVERY

そして我々が見るように それは非常に明白である 彼らはすべてを持っていた

INTENTION OF CARRYING OUT A BLOODY MISSION TO OVERTHROW

政権転覆のための血なまぐさい任務を遂行する意図

DEMOCRACY.

民主主義。

DISPLOO NOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPARISONS-- A LOT OF PEOPLE

DISPLOOは、今、多くの比較があり、多くの人がいます。

TALK ABOUT THE CIVIL WAR WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR

市民戦争について語るときには、この特別なことを語る

INSURRECTIONIST UPRISING, AND SORT OF A SHADOWY MOVEMENT

保障主義者の蜂起と影の動きのようなもの

ACROSS THE UNITED STATES TO BE IN RESISTANCE OF THE NEW

アメリカ全土で新政権に対抗するために

GOVERNMENT.

GOVERNMENT.

I FIND THAT COMPARISON A LITTLE FACILE BECAUSE HOWEVER EVIL THE

I FIND THAT COMPARISON A LITTLE FACILE BECAUSE HOWEVER EVIL THE

SOUTH'S INTENTIONS WERE-- WHICH WAS TO MAINTAIN AN ECONOMIC

南部の意図は...経済を維持することでした

SYSTEM BASED UPON ENSLAVING OTHER PEOPLE-- THEY HAD A

システムは他の人々を包含することに基づいて -- 彼らは持っていた

SYSTEM, AND THEY HAD AN INTENTION.

システム、そして彼らは意図を持っていた。

THIS WOULD BE AS IF ABRAHAM LINCOLN, YOU KNOW, HAD

THIS WOULD BE AS IF ABRAHAM LINCOLN, YOU KNOW, HAD

THREATENED TO TAKE AWAY THE SOUTH'S UNICORNS.

南部のユニコーンを奪うと脅された

IT IS BASED UPON A FANTASY AS OPPOSED TO A WARRING IDEA OVER

それは、それは、それ以上の警告のアイデアとは対照的に、ファンタジーに基づいています。

WHAT SHOULD BE THE ECONOMIC ENGINE FOR HALF OF THE COUNTRY.

WHAT SHOULD BE THE ECONOMIC ENGINE FOR HALF OF THE COUNTRY.

>> YEAH, WELL, LISTEN, THE SOUTH WAS ALSO STILL TIED TO THE WORLD

>> 南部はまだ世界に縛られていた

OF FACTS AND REALITY.

事実と現実の。

THEY MAY HAVE HAD A CORRUPT AGENDA, BUT AT THE END OF THE

彼らは間違った議題を持っていたかもしれないが、しかし、最後には

DAY, THERE WERE AGREED UPON REALITIES.

DAY, THERE WERE AGREED UPON REALITIES.

THAT IS NOT THE CASE IN THIS.

この場合はそうではありません。

THE MILITIA GROUPS-- YOU KNOW, FOX NEWS MIEFN THEIR GATEWAY

THE MILITIA GROUPS-- YOU KNOW, FOX NEWS MIEFN THEIR GATEWAY

DRUG, BUT THEY ARE EXISTING IN A WORLD OF PARANOID CONSPIRACY.

薬物だが、彼らはパラノイド陰謀の世界に存在している。

AND, BY THE WAY, IT HAS AFFECTED AND INFECTED MOST REPUBLICAN

そして、ところで、それはほとんどの共和国に影響を与え、影響を与えています。

VOTERS AT THIS POINT.

この時点での投票者

I MEAN, THERE IS REALLY AN ALTREALITY THAT THEY LIVE IN.

つまり、彼らが住んでいるALTREALITYが本当にあるということです。

>> ALEX MAKES A GREAT POINT, STEPHEN, PARTICULARLY THE

>> >> ALEX MAKES A GREAT POINT,STEPHEN,PARTIALLY THE POINT.

PATRIOTIC THREAD OF THE MADNESS.

狂気の愛国的なスレッド。

THINK ABOUT THE INVERSE CRAZINESS OF THIS.

THINK ABOUT THE INVERSE CRAZINESS OF THIS.

THESE PEOPLE ARE BEING ENCOURAGED BY A PRESIDENT TO

THESE PEOPLE ARE BEING ENCOURAGED BY A PRESIDENT TO

PRESERVE DEMOCRACY BY OVERTHROWING IT.

それを転覆させることによって 民主主義を維持してください

THEY ARE ACTUALLY PRESERVING DEMOCRACY BY OVERTURNING A

THEY ARE ACTUALLY PRESERVING DEMOCRACY BY OVERTURNING A

LAWFUL ELECTION AND SOMEHOW-- BELIEVE ME, THAT'S THE CODE THEY

違法な選挙となんとか...信じてください、それが彼らのコードです。

GOT AT THAT RALLY.

ラリーに出てきた

THEY JUST SAID, "LISTEN, IF YOU WANT YOUR COUNTRY BACK, GO TO

"聞いてくれ 祖国を取り戻したいなら行くんだ

THE CAPITOL."

"ザ・キャピトル"

AND WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY THOUGHT HE MEANT WHEN HE SAID,

AND WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY THOUGHT HE MEANT WHEN HE SAID,

DON'T SHOW WEAKNESS."

"弱さを見せるな"

THAT'S LIKE A MOB BOSS SAYING I DIDN'T SAY PULL THE TRIGGER.

それはモブのボスが言ってるように 俺はトリガーを引くとは言ってない

I WAS READY TO GET A PITCH FORK.

ピッチフォークを手に入れる準備ができていました。

>> Stephen: YOU HAVE TO FIGHT LIKE YOU NEVER FOUGHT BEFORE.

>> スティーブン今までにないような戦い方をしなければならない。

>> I WILL SAY THIS STEPHEN-- I FIND THINKING ABOUT IT THIS WAY

>> >> I WILL SAY THIS STEPHEN -- I FINDING THINKING ABOUT IT WAY.

EVEN MORE DISCONCERTING.

さらに驚くべきことに

IN 1995, IN APRIL OF 1995, I WOKE UP ON AN APRIL MORNING AND

1995年の4月には、1995年の4月には、私は4月の朝に目が覚めて

HEARD THAT THE MURRAH BUILDING IN OKLAHOMA CITY HAD BEEN BLOWN

オクラホマシティのムラービルが爆破されたと聞いた。

UP AND GOT ON A PLANE AND COVERED THAT.

飛行機に乗って、それをカバーした。

AND TIMOTHY McVAY, AND THE FIRST TIME I HEARD THE TERM

AND TIMOTHY McVAY, AND THE FIRST TIME I HEARD THE TERM

MICHIGAN MILITIA WAS 25 YEARS AGO.

MICHIGAN MILITIA WAS 25 YEARS AGO.

YOU DRAW A DIRECT LINE BETWEEN THAT.

その間に線を引くんだ

THIS HAS BEEN OUT THERE IN THE DARK CORNERS OF AMERICAN

これは、アメリカの暗いコーナーでそこにあった。

POLITICAL CULTURE FOR LAST 25 YEARS, LEAST, AND FURTHER BACK.

過去25年間の政治文化、最後に、そしてさらに遡って。

BUT, YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP IS NOTHING BUT A MORE POTENT

しかし、知っての通り、ドナルド・トランプはもっと有能な人間に過ぎません。

VERSION OF PAT BUCHANAN.

パット・バッキャナンのバージョン。

AND THE FACT THAT IT'S NOW COME OUT, I RAISE IT ALL TO SAY THIS:

そして今、それが表に出てきているという事実に、私はこれを言うためにすべてを提起します。

I THINK, YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP'S GOING TO BE GONE NEXT

I THINK, YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP'S GOING TO BE GONE NEXT

WEDNESDAY, AND WE'RE EITHER GOING TO CONVICT HIM IT'S SENATE

水曜には有罪判決が下されるか 上院選になるかだ

IS EITHER GOING TO CONVICT HIM OR NOT AND HE WILL BE ABLE TO

彼を有罪にするかしないかのどちらかで、彼は有罪にすることができるでしょう。

RUN FOR OFFICE AGAIN OR NOT.

もう一度選挙に出るかどうか。

BUT NONE OF THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE REALITY THAT

BUT NONE OF THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE REALITY THAT

THIS KIND OF HATRED AND THE ANTIGOVERNMENT SENTIMENTS THAT,

この種の憎しみと反政府感情の感情。

INCOHERENT THOUGH THEY ARE, THAT HAVE ANIMATED THESE PEOPLE, IT'S

癒されないが、この人たちをアニメーション化してしまったのだ。

A GROWING PART OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, AS ALEX SAID.

共和党の成長している部分、ALEXが言ったように。

AND DONALD TRUMP IS THE ULTIMATE ACCELERANT FOR IT.

そして、ドナルド・トルムは、それのための究極の加速剤です。

IN THE ABSENCE OF DONALD TRUMP IT WILL STILL BE THERE AND IT'S

ドナルド・トランプがいなくなっても、それは存在するし、それは変わらない。

WHY I WORRY WE'RE ON THE PRECIPICE OF A PERIOD OF TIME IN

なぜ私は私たちが時間の時間の期間の危機にあるのかを心配しているのですか？

THE COUNTRY IN WHICH IF NOT CIVIL WAR, POLITICAL VIOLENCE IS

戦争ではないにしても、政治的暴力がある国

GOING BECOME AN INCREASINGLY REGULAR AND ROUTINE THING IN OUR

私たちの生活の中で、ますます規則的で日常的なものになっていくこと

LIVES.

LIVES.

>> Stephen: "THE CIRCUS" AIRS SUNDAYS ON SHOWTIME.

>> スティーブン："THE CIRCUS "は日曜日にショータイムで放送されます。

ALEX WAGNER, AND WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH A

ALEX WAGNER, AND WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH A

PERFORMANCE BY THE WAR ON DRUGS.

薬物戦争によるパフォーマンス。