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  • - How badly do we not want people to buy this?

  • - Very badly.

  • I tell you what, I don't know of

  • any other mob guy that ever did anything like this.

  • This belongs on the dark web for sure.

  • (xylophone music)

  • - It is Presidents' Day, 2020, and I am all alone

  • here at the office, because I have decided to return to

  • the dark web.

  • Yay.

  • I've made a couple of videos now about the dark web,

  • and those experiences were fairly fruitful.

  • (yelling and screaming)

  • But I also recently made a series of videos

  • with a former Mafia member named Michael Franzese.

  • Michael and I have since become fairly close friends.

  • He is one of my two favorite Michael's on my phone

  • and I actually got to thinking, and I got genuinely curious

  • because in many ways Michael represents an old way of crime

  • so I wanted to bring him in to look at the dark web

  • and get his thoughts as to how technology has shaped crime

  • and how criminal activity can be conducted today.

  • - [Michael] How are you? Good to see you, my friend.

  • - Oh, good to see you, sir, good to see you.

  • - Good to be back.

  • - You look great.

  • Very quickly Michael, before we start filming

  • the video we need just a few cool shots

  • of you coming out of the car for your intro to kind of--

  • - Gotcha.

  • - We want the audience to kind of know, you know,

  • who you are.

  • (dramatic music)

  • - My name is Michael Franzese.

  • I am a former soldier and caporegime

  • in the Colombo crime family in New York.

  • And today I'm here to set foot into the

  • very dangerous world of the dark web.

  • - [Aria] Look in the camera.

  • That's perfect.

  • And...cut!

  • Hey, there we go, that's what we like.

  • (laughing)

  • So, Michael, what do you know about the dark web?

  • - Nothing.

  • (laughing) I don't know anything about it.

  • - [Aria] The dark web can only be accessed through

  • special routing software or browsers.

  • These browsers, for example, I want to clarify,

  • they're not necessarily bad, anyone can access them,

  • it's not illegal to have them.

  • What happens with these browsers, they can't be tracked.

  • - So, in other words, as a mobster I'd be using the dark web

  • and not anything on top of that.

  • - Exactly.

  • - Gotcha.

  • - So, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna show you

  • some of the marketplaces on the dark web

  • and get your thoughts.

  • - Okay, so in other words you can buy a fraudulent Visa,

  • or MasterCard or Amex?

  • You can buy these online?

  • - Yeah.

  • - Wow.

  • It's amazing to me that people would

  • do business online like this, really.

  • - You can buy a PayPal account with a $4,000 balance.

  • - What's the price on that?

  • - 54 dollars.

  • - So for $54 you can buy a PayPal account

  • that has $4,000 in it?

  • - That's what it says right there, you know.

  • - I tell you what, we weren't this sophisticated in my day.

  • And when I was indited for racketeering, you know

  • the underlying acts were fraud,

  • and one of the fraudulent acts was credit card fraud.

  • You know credit card fraud has been around forever,

  • it was a thing that the mob used to get involved in,

  • we used to get credit card, we printed them up at times

  • and other times we just got them from other places.

  • So, for me with that, again, you know

  • we'd never think that it would be online.

  • - Let's say this, the dark web existed back in your day

  • and you were able to have the option of performing,

  • or your associates performing credit card fraud online,

  • would you still go with the methods you used back in the day

  • or would you go online?

  • - You know, I think part of the reason my former associates,

  • the mob, got in trouble

  • 'cause we didn't keep up with technology.

  • You know, there was one time they had bugs

  • in the parking meters.

  • We used to go talk by the parking meters

  • and they had bugged the meters.

  • One of the reasons so many guys got in trouble,

  • we never kept up with technology.

  • We didn't.

  • And the government was way ahead of us on it.

  • So, you know, having that in my head, I'd be afraid

  • to use any of this and leave that kind of a trail.

  • However, no doubt, guys on the street would be using this.

  • If this was a, you know an avenue for them to

  • commit their activity, they would do it,

  • no doubt about it, and they'd probably get caught

  • at some point.

  • - So this is just drugs now,

  • so give me your thoughts on this.

  • - So they're selling Xanax, amphetamines...

  • So this is basically a drug dealers paradise on here.

  • Oxycodone, oh, gosh that stuff, I'm telling you.

  • Adderall, oh, gosh.

  • You know I had daughters that went to college

  • and I know Adderall was big back then.

  • As a matter of fact, I was writing a book

  • and I was on deadline, I had to hand it in

  • and my daughter was trying to give me an Adderall.

  • She said, "Dad, you know, this'll keep you awake."

  • I'll be honest with you, I didn't sleep for three days.

  • - Oh, Jesus.

  • - 'Cause I never took a drug in my life, she gave me that,

  • I said, "How do you kids do this?"

  • - Did you finish the book?

  • - I finished the book, oh yeah.

  • I could write another book at that time!

  • - Which book was it?

  • - It was, "I'll Make You an Offer You Can't Refuse."

  • - Available now!

  • - Yes, available now.

  • - Oh, of course, you got it.

  • - I gotta ask though, in "The Godfather" for example,

  • you know, one of the plot points was that the Corleone's,

  • they kind of refused to get into the drug business.

  • - Right.

  • - When you were with the Colombo crime family,

  • was there anything that you guys didn't wanna touch?

  • - Yeah, a couple of things.

  • The night I got straightened out, we were told that night,

  • we deal with drugs, we die.

  • - Oh, wow.

  • - No drugs.

  • As a matter of fact I had a dear friend of mine,

  • his name was Tony Gock, he was a made guy,

  • he was a soldier under me.

  • He got arrested for drugs along with the boss' son.

  • And he came to me and he said, "Mike, I'm in trouble."

  • He said, "We sold drugs for an undercover cop",

  • and I said to him, "Don't worry about it,

  • "I'm gonna straighten out."

  • He was an old time guy,

  • he was so scared, okay, that he was gonna

  • get walked into a room and get killed

  • because he got involved in drugs,

  • he went into a phone booth and blew his brains out.

  • Killed himself 'cause he said, "I don't want anybody

  • "to walk me into a room, I'd rather do it myself."

  • That's the fear of us selling drugs at the time.

  • So it was off limits.

  • So whenever you see these stories,

  • I know there's been movies out there, you know,

  • where mob guys are involved heavily in drugs, not true.

  • The Sicilians from the Mafia, they were big drug dealers.

  • They were heroine dealers.

  • But we didn't get involved.

  • We weren't allowed to get involved.

  • I never sold a drug, I never took a drug in my whole life.

  • - Until the Adderall.

  • - Well, until the Adderall, yeah.

  • I'll be honest with you too, during my time in that life

  • I don't remember anybody being involved in prostitution.

  • Never.

  • And the other thing that I just,

  • drives me crazy when I hear about it,

  • you know when they're kidnapping

  • these kids and selling them.

  • - Sex trafficking.

  • - Yeah, sex trafficking.