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  • I wanted to talk about a little bit more on some of the reactions to uh

    今回起きた “騒動” に対する みんなの反応について もう少し話そうと思う

  • what happened I'm by no means trying to stir up any more of it and

    これ以上 事を荒立てようというわけじゃない

  • ultimately this is my fault I'm the one

    結局は俺がやらかしたことだし

  • responsible and the more time that passes the more and more I realized how wrong I was but a lot of people's

    全ての責任は俺にある

  • outrage or uproar about it was pretty interesting maybe you saw this tweet but it's from Sean Vann -

    時間が経つにつれて 俺のしたことが どれだけ間違ってたか より気付かされた

  • whatever - "We're filing a DMCA takedown of PewDiePie's Firewatch content and any future Campo Santo

    だが 多くの人が怒っていることや 騒がれている内容が 興味深い

  • games". Followed by "There is a bit of leeway you have to have with the internet when you wake up

    もう知ってるかもしれないが このツイート… Sean Vann…

  • every day and make video games there's also a breaking point". "I'm sick of this child getting more and more chances to make money off

    まぁいい

  • what we make". For those who don't know a DMCA claim is

    「DMCA侵害でPewDiePieを訴えて『Firewatch』や Campo Santoからの全てのゲーム実況をやめさせる」

  • basically a Copyright strike. Umm

    そして…

  • It's like a legal action towards your channel. It's a pretty big deal if I get more than three of them then - um -

    「ゲームの開発者としては ネットの人々に多少の自由を許しているが」

  • my channel will shut down. So you could say this is an attack on

    「限度というものもある」

  • me, my livelihood. So it seemed more than just

    「このガキが 私たちが作ったもので 金を稼ぎ続けるのにはもう うんざりだ」

  • grandstanding. This seems more like an attack to me. Uh, he also followed with: "I urge other developers and will be reaching out

    “DMCA侵害”っていうのはつまり 著作権侵害の警告だ

  • to folks much larger than us to cut him off from the content that has made him a millionaire".

    チャンネルに対し “法的措置”をとるって事

  • So basically urging other people to do the same I don't know a lot of people aren't really sure about Let's Plays

    大ごとだよ もし3回警告を受けると…

  • It's sort of like a gray area in legal terms, because it's not like we owned the game. We don't own

    俺のチャンネルは削除される

  • direct licence to it and I don't think technically we can sell

    まぁつまり これは俺や 俺の仕事への 攻撃と言える

  • the video

    “相応の措置”というよりは…

  • with us in it and there hasn't really been a trial that tests this as well. There hasn't really been a trial that confirms

    俺への攻撃に近い

  • "Yes, Let's Plays are protected by fair use you can't do

    こうも言ってる

  • copyright takedown claims on them". But generally there hasn't been a case because developers

    「他の開発者や 私たちより 大きなチームにも呼びかけて―」

  • uh, benefit

    「ヤツを“百万長者”にしてきた 我々のコンテンツを取り上げさせる」

  • massively from Let's Players or streamers this is pretty commonly known

    他の人にも 同じことをさせるのかな

  • eh,

    “ゲーム実況”の立場は微妙なんだ

  • Minecraft Is a billion dollar

    法的にもグレーゾーンだし…

  • title because of streamers, largely because of streamers and YouTubers.

    俺たちはゲームを所有してるわけじゃない

  • Same thing you know PUBG, I don't think It probably would not be even nearly as big without streamers and

    俺たちには何の権利も無い

  • developers know this. This is pretty commonly known and that's why even

    だから 厳密には俺たちが実況した動画を “売る”ことは不可能だ

  • though, yes we are making money through your game it's still seen as something positive

    そんなこと 試されたこともないし…

  • but it is sort of interesting to me this case in particular because Sean's game is very much

    確信を持って言える人はいないんだ

  • probably the most linear game

    「実況動画は著作権侵害じゃない」

  • in question. You know, out of all games that could have been

    「実況動画を著作権侵害で 訴えることはできない」って

  • talked about you know to me it's really interesting how

    だけど 普通は訴えられない

  • a game like Firewatch talks about this

    実況者やゲーム配信者は 開発者にとっても好都合だからだ

  • in a way like this because Firewatch Is an extremely linear game it's almost like a walking

    みんな それをよく分かってる

  • simulator. It's not a bad game, I quite enjoyed it, but

    「マインクラフト」が ここまで有名に なったのも 配信者のおかげだ

  • arguably if you play Call of Duty and someone else play Call of Duty you're gonna get a completely different experience

    配信者やYouTuberがいたからだ

  • almost no matter what

    「PUBG」に関してもそう

  • but if you play Firewatch

    配信者がいなければ 今ほど有名にはならなかったと思う

  • you're probably gonna have the exact same experience no matter who plays it, so you could say "okay, well what's the difference between

    開発者もそれは分かってる だからこそ…

  • playing the game yourself rather than just watching someone else play it then" and ya, no, it's a fair point

    たとえ俺たちが そのことで金を稼いでるとしても

  • and I think especially with Firewatch in mind. Personally I think either way is wrong. You're bringing in more attention to the game. People

    彼らにとっては好都合なんだ

  • generally want to play the games themself almost no matter what. Even games that are pretty much just a

    ただ 今回の件は特に興味深い

  • story base where you click through and read people want to play themselves and Firewatch compared to other walking simulators like the Walking Dead or

    というのも Seanのゲームは…

  • Life is Strange it doesn't really have choices that leads to different outcomes or different endings so it's it's it is very

    多分 最も深くこの問題に 関係するゲームだ

  • much on the line and I think there was some controversy as well with this game in the past because people

    だって 他のどのゲームでも

  • refunded the game because it was so short and

    この問題について 話す機会があったろうに

  • they didn't like the ending and people were streaming it so they were just worried that people were just watching it instead of buying it

    俺にとっては かなり興味深いよ

  • So I think it's you know out of all people to come out of make a statement like this I think it's interesting that

    「Firewatch」のようなゲームが こういうかたちで この問題に触れていること

  • this is the developer that did it. That's pretty much my point here "furthermore we're complicit and

    「Firewatch」ほど 実況動画が 問題視されるゲームはない

  • I'm sure we made money off the 5.7 million views that video has and that's something for us to think about". now

    悪いゲームじゃない 面白かったし

  • Let's get into the meat of this

    ただ 間違いなく… 例えば 自分で「Call of Duty」をプレイするのと

  • Lot of people are saying I've seen a lot of tweets saying

    他の人がプレイするのとじゃ

  • they're not abusing Copyright laws Let's Plays because Let's Plays aren't fair use.

    同じゲームでも 全く違う体験になる

  • Get over it. I can't say for certainty that it is protected against fair use

    だが「Firewatch」は…

  • but I'm fairly certain and most

    誰がプレイしようと 同じ結果になるだろ

  • legal expert's would say the same. There are some arguments against it but if you watch my video you know that I'm adding my

    だからこういう意見がある 「じゃぁ一緒じゃないか…」

  • commentary to it I'm giving my insight to it whoever watches me play it is gonna experience it

    「自分でプレイしようが 他の誰かが プレイしているのを見ようが 変わらない」

  • differently than anyone that plays it themselves. That's just how it is. There was an interesting article about this as well

    もっともな意見だ

  • saying "Having seen some of Pewdiepies Firewatch Let's Play video it

    「Firewatch」は特にな

  • definitely would appear to be protected by fair use. The fact that Vanaman directly and publicly admits that he's not

    でも個人的には 違うと思う

  • taking the video down for any valid copyright reason but rather because he thinks Pewdiepie is a "propagator of

    ゲームに興味を持つ人が増える

  • despicable garbage" doesn't help Vaenaman's case at all,

    すると 自分でやりたい人は どうであれ 自分でやるんだ

  • rather it gives Pewdiepie a lot more leverage to claim that any such take down would be abusive and possibly even a violation of

    たとえそのゲームがストーリー中心で テキストを読み進めるだけのものでも

  • DMCA's against misrepresentations.

    “自分でやりたい” んだ

  • I've also seen other legal experts

    「Firewatch」は同じ系統の 他のゲーム…「Walking Dead」とか

  • claiming that the video isn't protected by fair use Let's Plays aren't protected by fair use

    「Life is Strange」と比べて

  • No one can really say for certain, that's why it's a gray area.

    違う結果やエンドに導くような “選択肢” は無いゲームだ

  • There are other legal experts saying that Let's Play's aren't legal "Firewatch DMCA's are

    だから実況は かなり“危険”なんだ

  • legal dev's can easily destroy Youtube channel and the law isn't how you want it listen here". The thing though that a lot of people

    それに…このゲームは以前 一騒動あったからな

  • pointed out shortly after these tweets were made

    ゲームを返品する人が出てきたんだ 「あまりにも短い」とか…

  • was that

    「エンディングが嫌い」とかで

  • they have a stream policy on their website. This is literally if you go to Firewatchgame.com/about.

    だから 実況動画を見るだけで 買わない人が増えることを心配したんだ

  • It says "can I stream this game can I make money off of those streams?". "Yes.

    それで「実況動画の著作権」問題について

  • "we love that people stream and share their experience in the game. You are free to monetize your videos as well". So people

    この人が言及したって事が かなり興味深かったんだ

  • pointed this out but

    これが今回の話題

  • there's still arguments against saying "it doesn't matter because Let's Plays still aren't fair use

    「私たちは共犯だ」

  • so they can do whatever they want". And I would - I would agree because basically Sean said he will

    「あの動画の570万回再生で 私たちも稼いでいる それも こういう措置を取った理由だ」

  • he will strike down any one of my future Let's Plays and the current the past one, but the thing is

    さて

  • that doesn't mean he can go back and revoke from the old one. Do you know what I'm saying?

    問題の核心に迫ろうか

  • Basically Sean has the right to strike any video that I upload from this point because he's publicly said that

    多くの人が ツイートしてるのを見たんだ…

  • that's what he's gonna do but you can't retroactively let go and say you know what I'm revoking this license

    「これは著作権法の悪用にはならない 実況動画は著作権侵害にあたるからだ」

  • because you are a racist garbage or whatever. That's not how DMCA work and I'm pretty sure

    その通りだ

  • that in that form of selection bias is not gonna hold up in court imagine if

    これについて 俺自身は断言できないけど

  • I made some

    法律の専門家も 同じ事を言うと思うよ

  • artwork and I told people "hey you're free to use his artwork go ahead everyone"

    反論もあるけどね

  • people start using the artwork and then I point to some people

    俺の実況動画には 俺の言葉や考えが入ってる

  • and I say "no" and file a copyright law

    だからそれを見るっていうのは 自分でプレイする時とは また違う体験だ

  • dispute against that. Doesn't really add up does it? So regardless if

    そういうものだろ

  • Let's Play is fair use or not this argument of claiming my video is incorrect. Most likely if my

    この事について書いた記事がある

  • video gets striked I can't really do anything about it, Youtube really doesn't

    「Pewdiepie氏の『Firewatch』 実況動画を見る限り―」

  • they're sort of washing their hands around these copyright things, they kind of want

    「著作権侵害とは言えないだろう」

  • to leave out of it, I mean they've been sued enough so it sort of makes sense. I imagine if a case like this toes to court then there's not gonna be much leverage for it.

    「Vanaman氏は PewDiePie氏を訴えた理由が 正当な著作権侵害の理由ではなく」

  • If anything it would be a huge waste of time and money for Sean and his developing team. When I saw these tweets I

    「氏を “卑劣なゴミの布教者” だと思っているから だと公的に認めているため」

  • immediately privatized the video out of respect for his request

    「Vaenaman氏の主張は意味を為さない」

  • but

    「この事実によりPewDiePie氏は 法の悪用について訴えることができるだけでなく」

  • my video got claimed anyway. They got the strike anyway, which is pretty disappointing

    「DMCA 第512条 “偽りの陳述” を違反している可能性もある」

  • to be honest. As far as I'm concerned I didn't use any abusive language in this video.

    だが異論を唱える専門家もいる

  • I didn't do anything that I think would be considered offensive. This video was uploaded as far as I know two years ago and I

    「実況動画は著作権法で守られてはいない」

  • gotta say I'm pretty disappointed.

    「著作権を侵害している」と

  • Also in people defending this that I know personally have had problem with DMCA request -

    誰も定かじゃない だからグレーゾンなんだ

  • take down requests as well. Whether you like me or

    こう言う専門家もいる

  • Mr. Vanaman, these laws are made to for people to take down content and whenever there's power to do

    「実況動画は合法じゃない 『Firewatch』のDMCA侵害の訴えは合法だ」

  • so it's going to be abused and especially when the reason to take down the content has nothing to do with copyright

    「YouTubeチャンネルなんて簡単に停止できる」

  • it's

    「法律はそんなに都合よくないんだよ 分かったか!」

  • it sort of shows that. I think these laws are important

    このツイートのすぐ後 みんなが反論に使ったもの…

  • for people, for artists to protect artists work and what they do and

    それは…

  • I think and that's why I think it's really dangerous to make these sort of claims and to do these sort of copyright claims for

    「配信に関するポリシー」が 彼らのサイトにあるんだ

  • no real valid reason, no matter what you think of me. If you have a problem with any content online or any video being up

    「Firewatchgame.com/about」 で見れるよ

  • you're are free to tweet me I will probably see it and

    「このゲームを配信しても良い? 実況を収益化しても良い?」

  • I will respect that request. I did get a

    「はい」

  • request from another developer asking the same thing "hey can you delete this video" and I did and I wouldn't have any problem

    「ぜひ配信し ゲームでの体験をシェアしてください」

  • to have done the same with this video

    「収益化も許可します」

  • I have a huge amount of respect for developers and what they do. I know my

    みんな これについて言ってるけど…

  • work would not have been possible without them and

    これにも反論意見がある

  • that's why I would never go against that. I could probably fight this in court and I would probably win

    「だとしても 実況動画は 著作権法で守られてはいない」

  • but I decided to just delete the video and not waste everyone's time more about this.

    「だから 開発者の勝手だ」

  • Like I said, this - everything about this was my fault the

    確かに その通りだ

  • whole drama I'm the one starting it but I still think it's an interesting

    だって Seanはこう言ったんだ

  • discussion to talk about and I think it's important that we don't abuse these laws because they exist to protect artists not to

    「現在・過去の実況動画を削除させ この先も許可は出さない」と

  • make any form of censorship or

    問題は…

  • abusive claims. This video is not meant to attack Sean or his development team or anyone

    一度許可を出したものに対して 著作権侵害を訴えてることだ

  • I just think it's important to talk about these things. Like I said, I thought Firewatch was a really great game and

    意味分かる?

  • I wish him all the best in the future with their next title.

    Seanは 俺が “これから”出す動画に 警告を出すことはできる

I wanted to talk about a little bit more on some of the reactions to uh

今回起きた “騒動” に対する みんなの反応について もう少し話そうと思う

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