字幕表 動画を再生する 英語字幕をプリント Hey, it’s Marie Forleo and you are watching MarieTV. The place to be to create a business and life you love. Got a question for you today. Have you ever felt like you have a ton of potential inside, but you’re not able to fully actualize it out into the world? My next guest says that the key to really unleashing your power, your voice, and your self respect lies in one simple decision that you can make right now. We are about to talk with one of my favorite authors of all time, Mr. Steven Pressfield, about his new book called Turning Pro. I absolutely love it, I think that every human being on the planet should read it, and let’s talk to him right now and learn why... Alright everyone, welcome. I am here with, as I told you, the amazing author of Turning Pro, Mr. Steven Pressfield. And as you’ll notice, my book cover is like all cranked out. Steven, I’ve had this book at the beach, I can’t even tell you how many people have stole it from me, there’s like highlights, there’s sand in this book. Ah, great. I absolutely love it. So I’ve built up this book which, again, no hype, everyone on the planet should read this. Let’s talk about what turning pro really means. What does turning pro mean to you? The... there are a lot of us out there, including me in the past, who are amateurs, who are living their lives as amateurs. And it’s somebody that wants to be a writer but only dabbles once in awhile and, you know, puts a few words down. Somebody who wants to shoot a film, somebody who wants to be a painter, somebody who wants to be an entrepreneur, and doesn’t really get it going. And my... I think a lot of times when we try to ask ourselves, “Well, what’s... what’s wrong? What’s happening that I... won’t let me do this?” We can blame ourselves, you know, we think that there’s something wrong with us or we’re sick or we have neurotic tendencies or whatever. My instinct about the whole thing is to forget all that stuff and just look at it from the prism of are we a pro or are we an amateur? And if we’re a professional, then we don't accept any excuses from ourselves. You know? And when the day comes and when we wake up in the morning and we don't feel like doing whatever it is we know we need to do, a professional gets up and does it. You know, Kobe Bryant goes to the gym, Lebron James goes to the gym every... a pro does what he has to do. Whereas an amateur will crap out along the way, you know, they’re a weekend warrior, blah, blah, blah. So the whole point of the book, Turning Pro, is to try to make... to encourage people to make that switch in their mind. It doesn't cost any money, you don't have to buy any product, you don't have to take any course, nobody gets rich off you or anything like that, you know? Right, right. You just change your mind from being... from being a pro to being an amateur. I’ll tell you a little story that we haven’t even talked about, Marie. I had a woman friend a few years ago who took up golf. And, you know, people get bitten by the golf bug and they just go crazy. Right? Yeah. And she had been playing for about a month and she was absolutely terrible of course as anybody would be. So she invited me to come out and play golf with her, and when I showed up at the golf course she was decked out from head to toe. She had the beautiful shoes, she had the beautiful visor, and she was terrible. It was terrible. And I said, “What’s the story Kathy?” You know? And she said, “You know what Steve? I’ve decided to think of myself as a pro.” She said, “I know I stink. I know I suck. I know it’s gonna take me years. But I am gonna take this seriously. I’m gonna have the right gear,” and she had got herself on a program of lessons, a program of practice, you know, where she put in X number of hours a day, and she was practicing the way a pro practices. In other words, not just doing the fun things, the glamorous things... Right. ...but the boring stuff. You know? The 3 foot putts and things like that. And, of course, within 9 months she was a good golfer. Now she’s a terrific golfer. But I remember when she... when I first heard that from her I thought, “Wow, that is really a wild idea.” And so that’s an example of just somebody who just put the mindset in and, “I’m not gonna be a dingle at times. I’m not gonna be a dabbler. I may be no good, but I’m gonna commit to this full time,” and she did. And that... so that’s what turning pro is. I love this idea, and I have to tell you, you know, you know I’m a huge fan of The War of Art, I’m a huge fan of Do the Work as well. And we’ve done interviews in the past, which we’ll put links below for all of you guys if this is your first time hearing Steven and I talk together, and I remember being struck in The War of Art by the idea of turning pro. And actually, I’ve taught and talked about it, always crediting you of course and like pimping out your book right and left, because that... the singular concept of turning pro, it’s magical. It really is magical and it informs everything that you do. One of the things... Let me interrupt you, Marie. I know we were talking about this before. Yeah. Did you have a moment of turning pro? And if so, what was it? You know, I feel like much like you, which when you read the book you guys will know this, there was probably several moments and then there was a period where I was like, “I gotta do this.” You know? And it was like a training ground. And I think when I first started out and I knew that coaching and personal development and business growth, they were passions of mine and I knew I had a message to share but I wasn’t quite sure how it was all gonna fit together. You know, I was bartending a lot, that’s how I earned enough money to get my business going during the day. And I was writing my newsletters but I thought they were crap, which I'm sure they probably were, but I was just putting them out there and I feel like I was almost like... I was like a baby pro where I would do the minimum work that I needed to do, but then I had so much fear and self doubt and, you know, I was in my early 20s. And I would at the end of the night of bartending sometimes totally drink too much and be out until like 3 or 4 in the morning. You know what I mean? So it was like I would have these levels of little wins and then I think it almost... there was like too much energy or I couldn't handle it or I wasn’t willing to just really stay there and I would self sabotage a bit. And I think... Well was there actual moments that you... That I decided that this was it? ...suddenly decided? You know, I feel like it was... I don’t remember like an exact moment, but I do remember a specific period in my life and it was when I met my fiance Josh who I’m with today, we’ve been together for almost 10 years. And there was something around that period of meeting him when I really took ownership of my gifts and I stopped screwing around. And it was about that time that while I never had like a problem with drinking, the partying kind of went away. Uh huh. Do you know what I mean? Exactly. Like, doing those stupid things that just throw you off track, those things kind of melted away. And that was the time when I, not coincidentally, started making more money, started receiving, you know, some opportunities that never seemed to happen before. Things started lining up when I feel like I met him, I owned my gifts, there was something that kind of settled in myself. And while nothing started coming along easily, there was something that changed in me and it was something about... again, it was around that partying idea of not like just saying, “Oh well, you know, who cares? I’ll just stay out all night.” Or... you know what I mean? “I don't need to get to that newsletter in the morning, I can push it off to next week.” Like, I stopped doing those things. I mean, in a way what you’re doing now, Marie, is sort of a form of partying, but it’s kind of positive partying. You know? That’s totally right. So it’s not as though you went from A to Z, it’s just you sort of changed the metaphor a little bit. You know? Where you made it direct instead of indirect. Yeah, and I think it was also too, you know, you talk about this in the book a little bit where, you know, you change how you treat your body, you change when you go to sleep, you change when you wake up, you change just how you approach everything when you’re a pro. And there’s this sense, for me in my experience, of just reverence and honoring the fact that I'm here for a reason and I make a difference to other people and that that’s important. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I can't just, you know, flitter that away. And so that... Well there’s a story, we were talking about this earlier, in Turning Pro that I stole from Rosanne Cash’s wonderful memoir called Composed, and it’s sort of her moment of turning pro. And it takes a few minutes to tell the story, but I’m gonna tell it. It was a dream that she had. And at this time, I think it was like the late 80s, and she already was a success. In fact, she had an album out called King’s Record Shop that had 4 number one songs off of it. And... but something didn’t feel right to her in her life. Now one night she had a dream, and in the dream she was sitting... she was at a party and she was sitting on a couch next to Linda Ronstadt who had alway been kind of an idol of hers and she had always admired Heart Like a Wheel, the great records that Linda Ronstadt did back in the 70s. And in between the two of them was an older man named Art, very important, and Art was talking very animatedly to Linda. And Rosanne wanted to kind of break into the conversation. She tried to, and Art just turned around to her in the dream and gave her this withering look of disdain and non interest and just said, “We don’t talk to dilettantes.” And Rosanne said she woke up... she woke up and she was just shattered to the core and she realized that it was true. That even though she had had these number one hits that she’d always thought of herself as a songwriter, but she’d only written 4 songs on this album and they were not the big songs. So she said from that day forward, just like you just were saying about how it changed when you wake up in the morning... Yes. ...she said she changed everything about her life. She got her singing teachers that she’d never, you know, real technique teachers that she had never done before. She said she started training like an athlete. She had began reading a much broader scope of all different kinds of art. She began studying painting so she could see what a non verbal, non musical medium was. Yup. And kind of the... and she... even her marriage broke up over this kind of thing, or at least eventually. Right. And she just decided, “I have to... I’ve been an amateur. I may have had success, but it doesn't feel good to me.” And so she’s kind of totally committed to songwriting and learning and she felt, she said, like she went back to being very young, like a beginner. Yes. And that was where she wanted to be. And I forgot what the last line of the thing... something like, “I traded the morphine sleep of success for the livewire world of the artist.” So that was... that to me is like a great turning pro moment in a dream, didn't even have to be, you know, like waking up drunk in a gutter somewhere or something. Yeah. It was just a dream, so... I love that. That’s one of my favorite stories in the book and I think one of the other ones, and I’d love to ask you about this, you know, you talk about the moment in New York City for you when you were driving a cab and you’re in an apartment and you just couldn't take it anymore and you had to write. And then what I loved, and you painted this picture so beautifully, was like you wrote for a little while, and if I remember correctly it wasn't like it was necessarily any good but you didn't care, you just actually had beat resistance and you sat down and you wrote. And then you almost found yourself just like cleaning the dishes, like, dirty dishes that were in there for like 10 days and you were whistling. It was like something had broken through. You had broken through your resistance. Yeah, that was kind of my sort of moment. It wasn’t as much fun as Roseanne's moment, but that was preceded by my trying for years to write novels and always crapping out at them on the one yard line. You know? And exploding my life, self sabotaging, and all that. And I’d reached the point where the idea of sitting down at a typewriter was like just... to me was like shooting myself in the head. Right. But this one particular night I just, like you were talking about partying, I just kinda sat there and I thought, “Well, who can I call? Where can I go? What can I drink? What can I smoke?” You know? Right. And finally I just said, “I just can’t do this.” And I sat down for 2 hours typing... terrible, so I just threw it away. You know? But that wasn’t the point. It was just... when I was finished, I actually felt ok and that was why when I was washing the dishes after that I discovered I was whistling, which I never whistled. You know? I thought, “I feel ok.” And that was... kinda told me I was gonna be ok from then on even if it might take me another 30 years to do anything good, at least that I was gonna be ok. So that was my kind of... that was my moment. That was really cool. And then you wrote about, in another section in the book, about your year of turning pro. And what I loved about that, and I’d love to chat about that for a moment, is, you know, this idea of turning pro, it’s a decision that we make in a moment, yet it’s a decision that we have to recommit to each and every day and develop that habit. So how was that year for you? That’s exactly... you hit the nail on the head there, Marie. Because there is... there’s... it’s like a moment of saying, “I’m not gonna drink anymore.” Right? You go, “Oh wow! This is fantastic!” But then the next day, you know... so I... for me, I... my white whale was to finish a book. To take it from page 1 to the end, which I never had been able to do. So I saved up all my money, the short version of it, and I moved to a little town in northern California and I just had a year where I didn’t see anybody. I had, like, you know, no sex, no sports, no TV, no music. I was like Rocky. I would get up in the morning, I’d have a breakfast of liver and eggs. You know? And it was just me and my little cat, my cat Mo, and... but it was great because it was a year when I’d had no distractions and I could just focus day after day after day. And when you do that, as you know, you know, energy concentrates around you and you become really a different person. Yeah. And when I finally actually did finish it... and it never sold. You know? And the two books after that didn't sell either. But at that... in that year, I really knew that I had become a pro, that I could do it. You know? And so it’s great beyond that initial breakthrough to be able to establish the habits of a professional instead of the habits of an amateur. Yeah. And I... The amateur’s habit is as soon as any adversity shows up, the amateur just falls out. Right? But the pro, when adversity shows up, keeps going and just builds that as a habit... Yes. ...and many, many, many other habits like that. Yeah, I love that. And it reminds me too of the story you told in the beginning about your friend where she bought all her gear. Like, I love that! Just, you know, getting on the gear and going, “I am committed to this.” You know, “The bumps are gonna come, the obstacles are gonna come, but a professional doesn’t run away. A professional stays, does the work, gets it done, shows up the next day, here we go again.” And actually, Marie, that leads to another really important concept here I think is that when my friend bought all this golfing gear, she really put herself on the line. She put... there was risk now because she was lousy. People would say, “What an idiot out there dressing like, you know, Annika Sorenstam, but can’t hit the ball off the tee.” Right. So it’s the same thing when you mentally... I think a lot of the... the reason why a lot of people remain amateurs is it’s a way of protecting yourself where you say, “Ok, I failed but, you know, it was because I didn’t really try that hard.” Right.