I was probably around 17.

I started paying specific thing, which was these traffic light boxes, and that was my really walked into it.

But I'd always been tagging.

It's Escape are hanging out with graffiti kids.

And I was always so kind of like the character kid, the kid that could draw figures and was always throwing what's around me.

I was encouraged to do that from a young age.

When I'm building a show, I'll usually you know what direction I want to go in in one way or another, whether it's subject matter which is gonna lead me to talk about a message that I want to talk about or its stylistic new direction, or just want to lay in something harder and better than I've landed.

Before I test myself in my book, I tested myself for my paintings and in the street.

I just I just want to enjoy it, and I'm not out there on the street.

China is prove anything like this is where I bring my work.

This is my art.

This is my crop out there.

That's my that's my hobby shit.

Like that's that's like, That's what I do for fun and I enjoy it, and that's how I want to stay.

I painted a painting in my last show in Sydney, Australia, and a peer of mine said, This is this is it And I agreed.

But I am the agreed because I wasn't I wasn't quite sure, but it felt right and John.

And so I made 10 works that were on that thing, and from that I discovered the ballerinas.

And then ballerinas became the crux for the rest of the work to be created.

I only throw out, you know, test the body, whether it's Thio, decide subject or all the style with one one anchor.

And then and then I roll.

And, uh, and I'm always mindful of serendipity and vibration.

It's a rhythm.

I have to be completely aware off rhythm and tryto create, you know, a seamless experience, which is significant for a viewer, have paintings that lead to other paintings and communicate with other works in the room, both suddenly, aesthetically, conceptually, uh, they've asked if your balance the mosque pace for the show.

She's a girl in a strip club, dancing around a whole bunch of guys looking at it.

Is there any place that suggests that the ballerinas in any way are connected to strippers?

But I think that's over share names.

I wanna make decisions based on the realization that would I make the same decision as an 80 year old man like?

Okay, so that's when you decide it's not gonna be a big deal to get arrested right now.

It's not gonna be a big deal, you know, run down the street naked.

You know, water's been things When when you consider yourself being a year old man reflecting something with the principal, you're in the small of your last decision and you're only as good as your last production.

I try to be the best I can and doing such, you know, with the weight of our history and the on the shoulders of giants that just started loudly like you going, she'll in vain, gonna date guys and 10 and vincey and bacon and rushing back.

And, uh, you know, the Chapman brothers, and I'm not even certain what my role is.

Maybe this is just slow the world down, haven't look at some things and died doing it.

I just don't know.

I mean, I just want to deal with real life, okay?

And it's hot chick just off to John Lennon.

But what do we do?

Make paintings?