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  • Hello, Welcome to this.

  • Channel four News Q and A on the Corona virus or, as it's officially known, covert 19.

  • Now we know this is an international health emergency.

  • We've seen that recently.

  • Cases seem to be increasing and spreading around the world.

  • But we also know that for a lot of you out there, there's a lot of fear.

  • There's a lot of concern.

  • There's also a lot of fake news.

  • We've asked you give us some questions and we're gonna now some of them to an expert on that is epidemiologist and by security expert Dr Ngoc Run.

  • Do welcome.

  • Thank you.

  • Glad to be here, right?

  • So let's get into it.

  • So one of the questions that we get a lot, quite a popular question from a lot of people is.

  • Is this Corona virus curable?

  • And where's the vaccine?

  • If there's gonna be so at the moment?

  • No, it's not curable.

  • We do not have a vaccine.

  • Even though there are vaccine trials, clinical trials are in played right now.

  • Estimates say that we will probably have Ah vaccine within one year to 18 months.

  • And even though that sounds like a long time, that is quite fast if you think about the history of vaccine development, so that is reassuring.

  • But that's 18 months for us to be on our guard and to be aggressively fighting this Corona virus.

  • Why is that so quick to get that Mexico's that Because we've sort of advanced to a stage now we can get a vaccine that quickly, right?

  • There's several reasons for that.

  • One is that Cove In 19.

  • It comes the Corona virus that causes that current virus is a family.

  • And so we've had other Corona virus diseases such as, Ah, the severe acute respiratory syndrome, which is stars Acela's, the Middle Eastern respiratory syndrome murders.

  • And so we already have some practice.

  • There has already been some research happening, so we're not starting from scratch, scratch per se, even though this novel coronavirus is novel with the cure aspect, you know, some people have mentioned you know, what does it tell us that some people have had a Corona virus that then recovered and they've got again?

  • Does that?

  • What does that tell us about?

  • Well, that's what we're still trying to learn.

  • We're trying to understand what happens when you have it and you build up antibodies against it, and obviously every every person's going to react somewhat differently.

  • I'm, of course, like a healthy 25 year old.

  • Um, it might be much easier for that person to fight off a re infection than somebody that is older that has existing disease with some people say to us.

  • So how can I tell the difference between the symptoms of a nasty cold or the flu on dhe covered?

  • 19?

  • I think that's a really good question, and right now the case definition.

  • So how scientists are describing in using, Um, like a set of, say, like principles to identify Corona virus is really beyond the symptoms of, you know, having a fever, having body aches, having a cough, which is president of cold and flu.

  • It's also about who have you been near?

  • So have you traveled recently to anywhere that has had a cluster of of infections?

  • It has an outbreak, so of course it would be different areas in China, especially who Bay province.

  • But also right now we have ah cluster of outbreaks in northern Italy.

  • We've had some transmission in Germany.

  • I mean, there's different places, so if there's a cluster there, that's part of the case definition.

  • It's not just those symptoms.

  • It's Have you been there?

  • One has someone in your family, been there.

  • Close contacts.

  • Close contacts are the most important people in this situation.

  • This forest transmission.

  • While we have seen very few cases limited cases where they can't really say, you know, actually, I don't remember being next to anybody who have, who has been to China or any of these places where there's a community transmission while we while we don't have a lot of that that does exist.

  • And right now a lot of scientists are trying to figure out where they got that from, because because another concern from a lot of people seems to be that Is it possible to be infected and show no symptoms whatsoever?

  • So we have seen some of those cases again limited cases that are asymptomatic, so not showing any, um, any symptoms, that something that we're still looking at a TTE the moment.

  • I mean, I can't say what percentage because there's so many different populations studies going on right now, but for the most part it seems that people are actually presenting with symptoms, even if they're mild symptoms.

  • And, as you know, a majority of people who are contracted covert 19 actually exhibit mild symptoms.

  • And in terms of what we do know, trying to put it in perspective lets people don't know.

  • How does this compare to seasonal flu?

  • Pandemic flu?

  • The death rate?

  • So what do we know if we want to try and compare this tow something like seasonal flu, Right?

  • So what we know is that it's transmissibility, so how easy it is to infect someone else.

  • It seems like it's similar to seasonal flu, and that means that it's relatively high.

  • Um, as far as its mortality or of its death rate, it seems like it's about 2% of the population who it seems like that we were still getting more data.

  • But about 2% of the population who contract cove it 19 are dying.

  • What we have seen in China, where we've had the majority of information because they've had thousands and thousands of people that have been tested on and observed, it seems that most people who contracted the mid 19 or between Colvin, 19 are between 30 years old and 69.

  • Most people who die from it are like around late sixties early seventies, um, as far a seasonal fruit flew in its mortality rate.

  • Seasonal flu has a less than 1% mortality rate, so more like 10.2% so covert 19 at 2% is higher in much higher actually, than a seasonal influenza.

  • Yesterday, W.

  • H O said.

  • This is not a pandemic yet, but it also said, this is not like any other influenza.

  • So what does that mean?

  • That means that this strain of Corona viruses nothing that we've seen before is that concerning?

  • I think it's concerning because we don't have any immunity to it.

  • You know, with seasonal flu, at least we have vaccines.

  • And like this year, the vaccine was quite effective.

  • It was about 44% for people who actually got the vaccine.

  • They were protected.

  • But what we do know, compared to other viruses that can try that that have respiratory illness or that cause respiratory illness, like what I said earlier about the stars and the murders.

  • Now, when you compare it to those diseases, it looks like it's much weaker.

  • So, for example, with MERS about 30% of people who contracted MERS died.

  • So the 30% mortality rate with stars about 10%.

  • So at 2% it's much lower than those.

  • Those two.

  • Yeah, well, I guess some people are concerned that it's, you know, there are figures about sort of 60% of the population, 80% of population getting it.

  • So is that is that is that right?

  • People are asking, Is that right?

  • That that you could see 60 to 80% of the population off of each country of the world getting this.

  • So I don't think that that is, that we're able to really confirm how many people are, What percentage of the world like.

  • Yes.

  • In some ways, it is possible for many people to get this disease at the same time, but in other in other situations.

  • So if you even look a seasonal flu, um, everybody doesn't get seasonal flu at the same time.

  • Right?

  • And flew also is seasonal.

  • It's cycles.

  • So we have, like a flu period between maybe December and February or march to anywhere you are, and then we have another one that comes in the fall.

  • So we just you know, this was just discovered at the beginning of December, so we're waiting to see if it has that seasonality pattern as well, because I think it was Donald Trump who originally said There's another people talk about it that, you know, come the warmer weather.

  • This will just go away.

  • This is something that we're hoping and that we're looking at.

  • But again, because this was what the science shows is that it really The first cases really spilled over early December in late November.

  • So no one can confidently say that in the warm weather comes that this will go away.

  • But we're hoping that it does, at least for the health systems around the world.

  • It would be a nice break for, you know, toe have a bit of a risk Spite having less people conduct contract this this illness in the summertime so that, um, efforts to respond can be more concentrated.

  • Resource is can go just to ah cove in 19 like isolation and contact tracing.

  • Because right now I mean, n h s is not just dealing with Corbett 19.

  • They have influenza, they have.

  • I mean, the wintertime is where you have most of the seasonal flu cases.

  • So because within that, lots of people are asking about what percentage of the cases are going to require people to have medical attention, go to hospital.

  • So, you know, we know about the possible death rate figures.

  • What do we know?

  • What kind of figures were actually have to go to hospital?

  • Have attention?

  • Yes.

  • So at the moment, what we've seen in China is about 20% of those who contract Cove in 19 have a severe illness, meaning that they actually need to be admitted into the hospital.

  • And like I said, there is no treatment.

  • But there are things that you can do to mitigate the effects of the of the virus on your body.

  • There's you can provide oxygen.

  • You can provide fluids, different things that you can do to manage the people who are more cases on those questions as well.

  • About, um, we know that it seems that it's older people when those with pre existing conditions are most vulnerable.

  • So people here asking, you know, if I have asthma, should they be more concerned about, So I think that's a very good question.

  • It it seems that if you are compromised, especially in your respiratory system, that it would be more concerning that you would want to.

  • I mean, everybody should be doing precautionary measures.

  • Everybody should be quite vigilant.

  • But what we've seen in China, or people who smoke, they were more likely to get severe illness or to die from the disease.

  • So I would think that people who have asthma, bronchitis or other things, they would also mean just with fluids while they would want to protect themselves.

  • And is that for the older, older people?

  • Just demographics.

  • I would think it's all demographics because even though what we're seeing a lot of times in the sciences reported, it's kind of shown is a quite binary that only old people die, you know, majority might, you know, majority of old people who have compromised immune systems are people with compromised immune system, our underlying health conditions.

  • Those might be the majority that is reflected in the pool of people that are not surviving.

  • But that doesn't mean that they're not cases, um, of young people that have also contracted the disease, and I we saw that quite a few health care workers, um the one, the one doctor who actually was the first person to report cove it 19.

  • He passed away.

  • And obviously health care workers are even more at risk because they're exposed to the virus way more than anybody else.

  • In terms of a lot.

  • Advice, especially, will get here in the UK is all about ham washing.

  • Someone here asked, At what point in the epidemic does handwashing need to be replaced by more stringent measures?

  • I guess handwashing should never be replaced.

  • So what we know is that this, um, this virus can be transmitted through droplets.

  • So if somebody sneezes on you or somebody coughs like the little spit that comes out, that is how we transmit the virus.

  • But it also can be transmitted through full might.

  • So particles that are on surfaces we still don't know how long the virus can last outside of a person on a surface.

  • But if someone sneezes in their hand and they turn the knob and then you come right after them and then you wipe your eyes or touch your face, you've exposed yourself to the virus, so hand washing should never be replaced is actually quite effective even though it sounds like Oh, it's just hand washing is actually very important.

  • Someone who's asking, um, you know, a lot of the stuff we know about Corona virus comes from China, where it seems originated.

  • Do you believe the W H.

  • O statement about the situation in China?

  • I do believe it.

  • I just read a mission report, and I also have several colleagues that were on that mission to China, where W.

  • H.

  • O.

  • Really triangulated.

  • It's evidence of what the Chinese officials were saying.

  • So they actually went to the clinics and said, for example, one of the most recent statements by China is that the case is actually declining, and debate you wanted to know is that Is China just saying that?

  • Or as you know, is this actually happening?

  • They went to the clinics and they they asked them like, How is your patient volume?

  • What's going on right now?

  • And they said, Okay, a lot of doctors said, you know, at the at the peak of the outbreak we were we had a queue outside of the clinic for people to get in.

  • Now we're seeing maybe one person per hour, so they did go to validate the information that China is putting out.

  • And I will say one other thing is that even though there's a lot of criticism of China and I think as we do, much more journalism and we understand, especially the beginning part of the outbreak, what happened?

  • It seems that after I would say maybe the 1st 3 weeks, what what was coming out of China really seems that it was true.

  • It seems that they've done a lot of work.

  • I really in the past and other appearances I have really lauded there, Um, some of their measures.

  • I made other measures such as, you know, the very extreme quarantine measures that they've done.

  • Those will need to be in really, I think, assessed and understood if they were really beneficial, because, you know, China has also bled into some human rights challenges with this whole thing.

  • Um, but at a very high level, they, um, have very advanced science.

  • They have the resource is in the human capacity to construct hospitals and weeks, you know, they really seem like they've done all that they could to contain it as much as possible, because what could we learn about in terms of like, Iran seems to have quite a high death rate at a small number of cases, and then Italy seems to have become the main area in Europe.

  • What can we learn from those two countries, for example, about what's happening in in terms of what the government said?

  • Yeah, so I think this is a very good point because it gives you a little bit more contact to, like the case fatality rate or, you know, the death rate or however we're calling it, so that is very contextual.

  • So in China, with some of its mitigation strategies, with its ability to they have some really advanced medical procedures that they can do to kind of refreshed the blood in individuals that are infected.

  • They saw their, um, their mortality wriggled down to 1%.

  • Iran has a very weak health system, Um, especially when you compare it to places like China or the U.

  • K.

  • So because of the sanctions against Iran, because of its kind of isolation and in different political spheres, Iran hasn't been getting the necessary commodities and necessary technology that they need, and so when you have a situation like that.

  • Then when people come to the hospital, they're not able to be treated as swiftly or as comprehensively as someone that close to like China or to the UK.

  • This is why the W.

  • H.

  • O.

  • Actually labeled this outbreak of public health emergency of international concern.

  • It wasn't necessarily because, you know, wealthier countries like China or the U.

  • S couldn't handle it.

  • It's countries that you find in sub Saharan Africa or car Southeast aced Asia, that if it gets there, you'll be very difficult to contain.

  • And their health systems wouldn't necessarily be able.

  • Thio manage the cases.

  • But then was it seemed to have been a particular problem.

  • Honestly, because you think it's a Western country, why did they seem to be having a bit more difficulty while To be honest, I don't know the specifics about the Italian outbreak as faras the cluster.

  • But one thing that I have read is that since we know that more people who know more of the elderly are are the ones that have either severe disease or that are dying, it's important to look at the's, the demographics of the countries that you know, the outbreak is happening.

  • And you know, if a country has a very high elderly rate or a specific region in that country, then it makes more sense that the people who contract the disease will be more difficult for them to recover from it.

  • Someone here is also saying, you know, if a lot of the people who have the virus show no symptoms are mild symptoms, how is this not spreading exponentially?

  • Like, you know, could there be a hell of a lot more people who have this that we have?

  • No, no idea about.

  • So what I would say is that from what we've seen in China, most of the transmission happened with people who were family or close contact of people who got sick.

  • Does that make sense?

  • So while of course, yeah, I mean, in some ways, anything is possible.

  • But I'm actually quite reassured that it seems to be a cluster like very, very clustered outbreak, not just kind of random people that you walked by giving people the illness, and so that actually helps our response measures much more so if if you can identify every single person that someone who is sick has been in contact with and then isolate them for for the incubation period.

  • Then we can actually make sure this dies out.

  • Glad you mentioned isolation because someone here wants to know how self isolation works with the rest of the family.

  • So this person says, If I get ill, can my wife go toe work?

  • Can go shopping.

  • Can I go in the same room with him?

  • So how does self realization work if you want?

  • Yeah, I mean, self isolation means that you stay forest faras way of other people as you can.

  • So if you're if you're ill and your wife is not ill yet, then wouldn't be able to sleep in the You shouldn't sleep in the same room.

  • Um, you should for 14 days.

  • You should try to stay as far away from that person.

  • That's possible.

  • If that's not possible, then I believe that there may be some I believe that there are.

  • There is some instructions about families kind of 14 days.

  • All the family is not going to work are working from home.

  • Um, there's some students that have traveled outside of the U K to Italy for, you know, for holiday with, like one parents.

  • And when they get back, the other parent has to watch them or has to take care of them.

  • And it's likely that that parents that they're exposed to a child or a spouse that they're taking care of that it'll be good for them to stay at home as well.

  • Someone also asked for those with Children if you yourself diagnose, Is the child at high risk?

  • Because there seems to be in some figures about whether young Children on actually a susceptible to Yeah, it does seem that, Ah, this outbreak isn't affecting young Children.

  • It seems, it seems, from what we know so far.

  • Ah, that Children below 16.

  • So that's we don't have that precise information yet, but but especially what?

  • What I'm seeing is like toddlers and babies, which is very different from influence, which usually affects babies and elderly people, you know.

  • But since we don't have concrete evidence about you know what you're asking, like the specific age range or the mechanism that's actually protecting Children, it wouldn't be wise to expose Children or to put them at risk.

  • Just be.

  • If you're sick to say, oh, they won't get it, so I can kind of be around them.

  • It wouldn't be wise to do that.

  • But I will say one more thing about self isolation.

  • Um, well, first, I think that people also need to be guided by what their work says.

  • I mean, the work in the workplace is need to be following n hs recommendations, but people need to be guided by that.

  • But also, I know that not everybody has the the resource days or the ability to stay at home.

  • Not everybody has a child minder.

  • Um, and I think this is this is something that the government really needs to think about when you recommend self isolation.

  • You know, we really need to think about how do we care for people that don't have the legs the luxury to stay at home with the bring their kids out?

  • Yeah, that's a big issue, I think.

  • A big problem on, of course, a lot of people that was asking about their pets.

  • Okay, can your pet So at the moment, we have not seen any cases of human beings transmitting Corona virus to animals.

  • Now, as we know, this is a zoonotic disease.

  • So it started from an animal host.

  • We think it was a bat that may have gotten another animal that might have infected another animal.

  • And then that animal affected human being.

  • But we haven't seen the transmission.

  • Gold rivers, potentially cats and dogs are safe potentially yet.

  • Something about us in the media, Okay.

  • And general, And what works of relating to people out there?

  • Are we over acting and causing fear or or do you think, you know?

  • Because at the moment you've seen hand sanitizers sales go up, Master being brought over?

  • The people are stockpiling.

  • Are we overreacting?

  • A.

  • Well, are we sort of preparing quite well for what might happen?

  • Yeah, I've seen both cases I've seen I'm very responsible media coverage of Corona virus I've seen.

  • I mean, there's also, like the idea of, you know, making sure you get the right people to talk about this.

  • You know, I've seen some media that have invited, like nutritionist or, you know, not to say nutritionist don't understand Outbreak.

  • Yeah, I hope so.

  • It's so I think, you know, being with making sure you get the right people, making sure that you're what you're conveying, aligns with the experts.

  • So we know that mask especially.

  • You know the surgeon.

  • Surgical masks are not really going to protect you.

  • You know, if you're sick, then you should wear a mask if you have to go outside.

  • But if you're not sick, a mass is going to protect you in the health care workers need that.

  • People that work in N.

  • H s If they run out of Mass, then we know that they're more likely to get the Corona virus.

  • And they're also more likely to have severe illness or die from it.

  • So we wouldn't want anybody doing that now.

  • Talking about stockpile Now we know that if you self isolate that, you shouldn't be going to Tesco.

  • So it is good idea to have some some food and some water in your house for a certain amount of days.

  • That's that's that's wise.

  • So I think, you know, really, being able to parse through the wise messages versus kind of the alarming ones is important.

  • In a final question, someone else's about what international measures would you recommend countries taking in tandem with one another to deal with this outbreak?

  • Or do you think there's been enough dialogue and cooperation between most countries.

  • Well, I traveled very recently.

  • I traveled maybe a week ago to India.

  • And then a couple days ago I traveled.

  • I went to Dubai, and then I traveled from Dubai to London.

  • And in that short time I mean, honestly, days I've seen such a ramp up of surveillance in the in the airports.

  • But it's not uniform.

  • And so that's what I would say is that even though I think the international community is doing a lot, um, making sure that we have that uniformity of surveillance of, you know, um enhanced increased surveillance is as ports of entry specially airports, but even ground crossings in some places and even seaports in some places.

  • That's very just not testing everyone, not testing everyone, but but surveillance is really looking at people that have symptoms.

  • You know what I mean?

  • It's also, in some cases, if you have, it's filling out the international health regulation approved form.

  • So it's easy to contact people if we find out that, like in northern Italy, we found out later that people that there was ah community transmission, so being able to have all the data and the information that you need to go back to.

  • Those people informed them that they may have been exposed by covert 19 and ask them to self isolate or to do quarantine measures as needed.

  • So I think that needs to be more consistent across countries and secondly, communication.

  • One of the one of the big shifts that I've seen from other outbreaks from now is increased communication.

  • Um, you know, with stars in 2003 Western journalists had to aggressively get that information from China.

  • And now China has been much more transparent, you know, But I'm sure there could be even more levels of transparency.

  • So I think if the governments continue to to discuss what's happening to share the science, um, that will be in a much better position.

  • Can you describe the test for the virus and how long it takes to be not diagnosed?

  • It takes about 24 to 48 hours from once you get the sample, meaning that it's usually a throat or no swab that has the sputum on on the like a sample kit, Um, from from when you take that swab, too, when you put it into the laboratory can be up to 48 hours to get a confirmed case.

  • Um, in the meantime, the person should stay isolated and shit continue to have some social distancing from other people.

  • Um, the great thing is that in the past month, really w h.

  • O and partners have really worked to increase the PCR ability to increase the amount of re agents The amount of training on this on this laboratory process.

  • So a lot more countries can test for it.

  • So for clusters that are very, they're very active right now, which is the northern Italy cluster?

  • The the advice from public health England is too self isolate.

  • Full stop.

  • What if you've gone there in the past week or two?

  • You should self isolate for 14 days, Um, and and also when it when it comes to outbreaks, what's really important is time that what you're saying?

  • So as soon as you feel ill, if you've been to one of these places, have you been around to one of these places?

  • Um, it's important to report as soon as possible, but at the same time, I want to just kind of emphasize the whole person, place and time thing because just being ill Um, just having flu like symptoms and really not having any connection to places.

  • If you just go to the doctor because you have, like, a cold, we can really overwhelm the N HS system.

  • So I think it's very important to remember this person place in time these three factors that are very important Thio if you have cove it 19 or not.

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