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  • THERE'S NOTHING BETTER THAN A

  • NEW YORK SLICE.

  • THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

  • WELCOME BACK TO "CBS THIS

  • MORNING."

  • I'M GAYLE KING WITH ANTHONY

  • MASON AND TONY DOKOUPIL.

  • IN AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW,

  • HARVEY WEINSTEIN'S ATTORNEY SAYS

  • SHE IS CONFIDENT HE'LL BE FOND

  • NOT GUILTY IN THE CHARGES

  • AGAINST HIM.

  • HIS TRIAL STARTS IN JANUARY.

  • NOW, MORE THAN 70 WOMEN HAVE

  • ACCUSED HIM OF WRONGDOING SINCE

  • AN EXPLOSIVE "NEW YORK TIMES"

  • INVESTIGATION TWO YEARS AGO THAT

  • INSPIRED THE ME TOO MOVE

  • MANAGEMENT.

  • WEINSTEIN DENIES ALL OF THE

  • ALLEGATIONS.

  • HIS ATTORNEY DONNA RATUNNO IS A

  • FORMER PROSECUTE OR, AND SHE'S

  • HANDLED DOZENS OF CASES

  • DEFENDING MEMBER ACCUSED OF

  • SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.

  • I'VE HEARD YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT

  • A BELIEVER OR SUPPORTER OF THE

  • ME TOO MOVEMENT.

  • MORE OF A SUPPORTER.

  • I THINK IN MANY WAYS THERE ARE

  • GOOD THINGS ABOUT ME TOO, AND

  • I'VE SAID THIS.

  • BUT WHAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT ME TOO

  • IS IT ALLOWS THE COURT OF PUBLIC

  • OPINION TO TAKE OVER THE

  • NARRATIVE, AND WHEN YOU CAN'T

  • COME OUT AND EITHER CORRECT OR

  • CHALLENGE THAT NARRATIVE, IT

  • PUTS YOU IN A POSITION WHERE

  • YOU'RE STRIPPED OF YOUR RIGHTS.

  • CHICAGO ATTORNEY DONNA

  • RATUNNO HAS BUILT A REPUTATION

  • DEFENDING MEN ACCUSED OF SEXUAL

  • ASSAULT AND RAPE.

  • HER TRIAL WITH HARVEY WEINSTEIN

  • IS HER MOST HIGH-PROFILE CASE TO

  • DATE.

  • WHAT IS YOUR STRATEGY IN

  • DEFENDING HIM?

  • IT'S VALUING WHAT IT IS, AND

  • DETERMINING WHETHER THE

  • ALLEGATIONS ARE THINGS WE CAN

  • REFUTE.

  • IN THE CRIMINAL CASE THERE ARE

  • TWO CHARGED VICTIMS, AND IN BOTH

  • CASES, I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THE

  • FACT THAT WE HAVE EVIDENCE THAT

  • IS FAVORABLE TO US AND EVIDENCE

  • I THINK WILL EXONERATE HIM.

  • WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO

  • WOMEN, BUT AS YOU KNOW, DONNA,

  • THE STORY IS MUCH BIGGER THAN

  • THAT.

  • I KNOW YOU'RE NOT NAIVE TO THAT.

  • CLEARLY WE'VE GOT 70 WOMEN,

  • NAMES YOU KNOW, ASHLEY JUDD,

  • SALMA HAYEK,

  • .

  • THESE ARE CERTAINLY SERIOUS

  • ALLEGATIONS.

  • HOW YOU DO RESPOND TO THAT, AND

  • DOES THAT MATTER TO YOU?

  • SURE, I THINK IT MATTERS.

  • IT MIGHT MATTER TO ME IN MY

  • ANALYSIS OF THE WHOLE

  • CIRCUMSTANCES BUT IF I LOOK AT

  • THE CRIMINAL CASE, FRANKLY,

  • THOSE ALLEGATIONS DON'T MATTER

  • IN THE CONTEXT OF THE CRIMINAL

  • CASE.

  • HOW DOES HARVEY EXPLAIN THOSE

  • ALLEGATIONS?

  • I DON'T THINK IT'S ABOUT

  • EXPLAINING THEM.

  • ANY TIME WE TALK ABOUT MEN AND

  • WOMEN AND SEXUAL CIRCUMSTANCES I

  • THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE

  • FACT THERE'S ALWAYS AN AREA OF

  • GRAY.

  • SO THERE'S THESE BLURRED LINES

  • AND I THINK SOMETIMES ONE

  • SIDEWALKS AWAY FROM AN EVENT

  • FEELING DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER

  • AND HOW DO WE RECONCILE THAT.

  • IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR A WOMAN

  • WHO HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN A

  • TRAUMATIC ENGAGE MANAGEMENT TO

  • STILL BE ENGAGED WITH THAT MAN.

  • THAT'S HER CHOICE.

  • BUT TO COME FORWARD -- WHO KNOWS

  • YEARS LATER IF YOUR MEMORY IS

  • EXACTLY THE WAY IT WAS AT THE

  • TIME IT DID.

  • I GET FRUSTRATED WHEN I HEAR

  • THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS AND I

  • HEAR WOMEN SAY, I DIDN'T HAVE A

  • CHOICE.

  • WELL, NO.

  • YOU HAD A CHOICE AND YOU MADE A

  • CHOICE.

  • WE'RE FOCUSING ON YOUR TWO

  • CRIMINAL CASES, BUT YOU DO SEEM

  • TO MINIMALIZE ALL THE OTHER

  • CHARGES AND ALLEGATIONS ABOUT

  • HARVEY WEINSTEIN.

  • IT'S NOT MINIMIZING IT BUT

  • FOR MY PURPOSE IN THIS CASE,

  • IT'S NOT WHERE I HAVE TO BUT MY

  • TIME AND ATTENTION.

  • IT'S REALLY ABOUT MAKING SURE

  • THOSE ISSUES DON'T CLOUD OUR

  • ABILITY TO PICK A FAIR JURY.

  • Reporter: IN ADDITION TO

  • HARVEY WEINSTEIN'S TWO ACCUSERS,

  • AT LEAST THREE OTHER WOMEN ARE

  • EXPECTED TO TESTIFY AS SO-CALLED

  • PRIOR BAD ACT WITNESSES.

  • THEIR TESTIMONY WILL BE USED BY

  • PROSECUTORS TO DEMONSTRATE A

  • PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR.

  • IN THE BILL COSBY CASE, IT WAS

  • INVOLVING ONE WOMAN, BUT OTHER

  • WOMEN WHO MADE ALLEGATIONS WERE

  • ALLOWED TO TESTIFY.

  • THAT SEEMED TO MAKE A

  • DETERMINATION FOR THE JURY, FOR

  • SURE IN THE SECOND CASE.

  • IS THERE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT?

  • SURE, THERE'S ALWAYS A

  • CONCERN.

  • I THINK THE NEGS OF WHERE

  • THERE'S SMOKE, THERE'S FIRE IS

  • SOMETHING WE HAVE TO WORRY

  • ABOUT.

  • THIS IS MORE THAN FIRE,

  • DONNA.

  • IT'S AN INFERNO WHEN IT COMES TO

  • HARVEY WEINSTEIN.

  • I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE

  • CRIMINAL CASE, I I DON'T THINK

  • IT'S THE CASE.

  • I I'M NOT HERE TO SAY HE'S NOT

  • GL OF COMMITTING SINS.

  • THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

  • SINS AND CRIME.

  • I DO NOT BELIEVE HE'S A RAPIST.

  • YOU DO NOT THINK HE'S A

  • RAPIST.

  • DO YOU EVER THINK YOU'RE

  • MAYBING IT HARDER FOR WOMEN TO

  • COME FORWARD?

  • NO.

  • I'D LIKE TO THINK I'M MAKING IT

  • EASIER.

  • IF THEY FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE, THE

  • FRST THING THEY SHOULD DO IS

  • REPORT IT, GO TO THE POLICE, AND

  • I THINK THAT SORT OF WEEDING OUT

  • THE CASES THAT DON'T RISE TO THE

  • LEVEL OF REAL ASSAULTS SHOULD

  • HELP REAL VICTIMS.

  • SO, NO, I THINK I'M HELPING THEM

  • ACTUALLY.

  • DOESN'T A MAN HAVE TO TAKE

  • RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS ACTION,

  • TOO?

  • NO QUESTION.

  • AND THE CHOICES HE MAKES?

  • NO QUESTION.

  • AND I THINK NO MATTER WHAT

  • HAPPENS TO HARVEY, HE'LL PAY THE

  • BIGGEST PRICE.

  • EVEN SO, HIS LIFE IS RUINED,

  • TOPPED, DESTROYED BY OTHERS.

  • THE FACT IS IF WE CAN WALK OUT

  • OF THE COURTROOM WITH A NOT

  • GUILTY, HE NEVER GETS TO BE

  • HARVEY WEINSTEIN EVER AGAIN.

  • HARVEY WEINSTEIN DENIES THE

  • ACCUSATIONS AND FACE AS SENTENCE

  • OF UP TO LIFE IN PRISON IF

  • CONVICTED.

  • DONNA RAH TA'U NOE HAS BEEN VERY

  • INVOLVED IN THE PREPARATION OF

  • THIS CASE AND HAVE NOT YET

  • DECIDED WHETHER HE'S GOING TO

  • TAKE THE STAND.

  • THOUGH GLORIA ALLRED WHO

  • REPRESENTS ONE OF THE VICTIMS IS

  • IMPLORING HIM TO DO SO.

  • SHE WRITES THIS.

  • I CHALLENGE HARVEY WEINSTEIN TO

  • TALK THE STAND AND DENY UNDER

  • OATH THE ALLEGATIONS PROUT BY

  • THE PROSECUTION AGAINST HIM.

  • MS. RAH TA'U NOE WANTS TO

  • FOCUS ON THE SIN, NOT THE

  • SUBSTANCE OF THE CRIME.

  • I ASKED HER DO YOU HAVE A

  • JURY IN MIND.

  • SHE SAID, OF COURSE, BUT I DON'T

  • WANT TO TIP MY HAND.

  • ARTICLES WRITTEN ABOUT HER HAVE

  • DESCRIBED HER AS A BULLDOG IN

  • THE COURTROOM.

  • I ASKED HER IF THAT'S AN

  • ASSESSMENT.

  • SHE SAID, I DIDN'T SAY THAT.

  • ONE OF MY CLIENTS DID.

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