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  • -How are you? Welcome back. -I'm great.

  • -Well, thanks for having me back.

  • -I want to get right into it.

  • You were an actual communications director

  • at a White House.

  • -Not a celebrated one at that. -No.

  • Well, we didn't realize at the time how important

  • it was to have communications directed.

  • -Yeah.

  • -But you worked in the Bush White House,

  • and now you are seeing this White House,

  • which is not -- I would say communications

  • is not its strength.

  • To be fair, they have very few strengths.

  • But what do you feel at a time like this,

  • when messaging is so important?

  • How do you perceive what's happening right now?

  • -So, this is one of those things that I wish we were wrong about,

  • people who are critical and who see the flaws.

  • This is one of those ones where when Donald Trump says,

  • "Oh, a miracle is going to take corona away,"

  • that's like the one-in-a-million things where I'm like,

  • "Ooh, I wish he were right."

  • -But the prob-- And, look, here's the other thing.

  • I mean, we have a global pandemic,

  • and he's "liar, liar, pants on fire" president

  • who saw this coming.

  • I mean, this was where it was always going to land.

  • -Right.

  • -We were always going to need him to have more credibility

  • on the world stage, to level with us,

  • and to be more competent than he is

  • when our health and our family's health was on the line.

  • And, sadly, it took something like this, I think,

  • to even shake the confidence of some members of his base.

  • A virus doesn't have a political affiliation.

  • -I guess time will tell if it actually

  • is shaking the confidence of his base,

  • because it is interesting.

  • Certainly, in the early stages, we are seeing

  • very smart people, very talented people

  • who are trying to deal with this crisis who are,

  • as we pointed out, also trying to do this sort of

  • triangulation of also figuring out how not to offend him.

  • Are you surprised when you see --

  • -Oh, the "dear leader" stuff? -Yeah.

  • When you see brilliant doctors who are making

  • the choice to say like, "And, also,

  • let me just say you are doing a really good job, too."

  • -Yeah, look, I don't know where that chip comes from.

  • I mean, I think it's part of the reward structure.

  • And he's very, you know, off with your head,

  • anyone that doesn't tell him he's brilliant.

  • But, I mean, you cover the same stories I do every day.

  • The things people say to him,

  • especially when the public safety is on the line,

  • are really, really troubling.

  • -You obviously went through some crises

  • in your time as a communications director.

  • Each is different.

  • How did you deal with the ones that you faced

  • in your time in The White House?

  • -We were ready for the bird flu.

  • That was the pandemic that we were prepared for.

  • And people like to joke that Bush wasn't steeped in history,

  • but he read every -- He was reading books about the plague.

  • We were all given sort of take-home reading

  • about how things spread.

  • We were drilling on Saturdays and Sundays,

  • red teams and blue teams, for how something would,

  • you know, go from city to city.

  • And you look at the way this White House communicates,

  • it's all about goosing the stock market.

  • I mean, no one even seems to have in mind --

  • I don't -- You know, if you've got kids in school

  • and you go to work, you rely on sort of

  • the infrastructure and the trustworthy flow of information

  • to make decisions about how to keep your family safe.

  • And that's where I think if this goes on, no one is --

  • Again, the coronavirus is not Donald Trump's fault,

  • but everything he's done in exaggerating about the status

  • of tests and lying about its severity

  • and saying it will just go away, that's all on him.

  • -Well, we talked about this, as well,

  • the idea that it's not

  • his fault -- right? -- that it started,

  • but if it had started under Obama,

  • Donald Trump would be the guy on "Fox & Friends"

  • saying it was his fault.

  • -He was. -It was Obama's fault.

  • -During Ebola, he was on Twitter every day,

  • saying, you know, "Keep them all out, lock the borders."

  • I mean, during Ebola, he did more fearmongering than anyone.

  • -I feel like somebody should go to him and say,

  • "Hey, you don't have to do this because you're Donald Trump,

  • And there's not another one like you out there right now."

  • -I feel like someone should go and say,

  • "Look, we've had to take down the comms.

  • The Wi-Fi is out

  • And you're going to have three weeks to golf, no Twitter."

  • And his approval rating would go up.

  • -Yeah. -We'd be safer.

  • -But he couldn't stay off -- -We'd be safer.

  • His approval rating would go up.

  • The doctors could function without, as you said,

  • the, you know, intermittent,

  • "Dear Leader, you're so good at science" baloney.

  • And we would have a direct line of communication

  • from real experts.

-How are you? Welcome back. -I'm great.

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Nicolle Wallace Shares Her Thoughts on Trump's Coronavirus Response (Nicolle Wallace Shares Her Thoughts on Trump's Coronavirus Response)

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    林宜悉 に公開 2021 年 01 月 14 日
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