I justswitchedmypaperwork, right. 00:06:58.690 --> 00:07:2.000 Ourfirstquestion, If I getthroughthiswithoutstumblingmywordseverymiracle. 00:07:2.350 --> 00:07:5.100 SothefirstquestionisfromJeffBeardfromEarth, OtisvilleandRomney. 00:07:5.100 --> 00:07:9.580 CLPHowwillyouputbumblingBorisbackinhisbox?
SostartwithEmily, please.
I haveanadvantageovertheothercandidatesandthateyeshadowBorisJohnsonfortwoyears.
Andduringthosetwoyears, I usedtotakehimtotaskatthedispatchbox.
Andfrankly, I thinkthateverybodysaysthat I gotthebetterofhimonThepointis, isthat I exposedhimtobethelying, manipulativecowardthatheis, somebodywhoisnotpreparedtoactuallylookatanydetailswhoessentiallybelievesthatheistheretoshowoff.
Hehasnoyouhavenovisionistowearwhatitisthathewantstodowiththecountryonthewaythatyouhavetotakehimonwhenyoutakeon a clownisyoucannotdoitin a waywhichisdeadpan.
Andheisfinishing a projectthat's been 40 yearsinthemakingthatdestroyedmycommunityondestroyedcommunitiesrightacrossWales.
Andhewon't beabletotackle a workingclasswomanfrom a deindustrializedcommunitywhowasheretofightbackandaddressthedamagethat's beendonetohercommunityandcommunitiesrightacrossthecountry.
hewon't beabletohandle a womanwhohas a vision, andhewon't beabletohandle a womanwhofocusesondetailfromourgreenindustrialrevolutionthroughtodemocratizingoureconomy. 00:09:59.750 --> 00:10:6.190 Wewillshattertheconservativesthere, holdonourcommunitiesandBoris's appealtotheelectorate. 00:10:6.200 --> 00:10:17.290 If I'm leaderbeyondthenoillusionaboutthathello, whalesdeal.
Hedoesn't likethatkindofpolitics, sowehaveabsolutelyputittohiminParliamentatthedispatchbox, andthat's what I willdo. 00:10:43.210 --> 00:11:3.470 But I want a wholeteamalongsidemedoingitallofthetimeinParliamentacrossthecountry, and I wantundermyleadershipyoutoheareverytimeyouturnonthetelevisionortheradio, a verystronglaboradvocate, veryobviouslywinningtheargumentcausewegottawinitdayin, dayout, weekin, weekoutintothenextgeneralelection. 00:11:3.560 --> 00:11:4.050 Thankyou. 00:11:5.340 --> 00:11:11.620 Thankyoumuch.
YoursecondquestioniswhencarrieshalfGlennforMom.
Bethshewouldliketoknow.
Inyouropinion, whatdoes a successfulrelationshipbetweenWestminsterandtheNationalAssemblylookedlike?
Soit'llbeLisetransferinfirstplace.
So I thinkthatassessablerelationshipbetweenLaborandbetweentheUKgovernmentandtheWelshAssemblyisonethatis a partnershipthatrespectsthediversityinthestrengthofftheknowledgeandtheassetsandthepotentialinWaleson.
Weneedtohave a relationshipthatallowswhalestobeitsdistinctiveself, andinordertodothatwehavetolistenandyoudonotneedtohearfromtheEnglishpoliticianthewayinwhichwhatitisthatyouwanttodo.
Weneedtobeinproperdiscussionswithyou.
I neverwanttoseeagain.
I neverwanttobeinthepositionagainwhere I wasinWaleswhentheannouncementonbroadbandwasmadeand I wasabouttodo a televisioninterviewand I hadnoideawhattheimpactonwhaleswasgoingtobe. 00:14:59.020 --> 00:15:5.310 Itwasn't clearfromthebriefingsweweregettingfromLondon, andtobehonest, youthattheWelshofficedidn't knowaboutthisdecision. 00:15:5.320 --> 00:15:8.820 Theannouncementisbeingmadeanditwasverydifficultforthemtoknowhowtorespond. 00:15:9.440 --> 00:15:10.300 What a fiasco.
That's why I camedownthisweektostartthediscussionwithwealthmembers, activistsandcolleaguesaboutwhatweneedtodoandinparticularthereasonsthatwelostthisgeneralelection. 00:17:58.290 --> 00:18:1.060 Andtheyweresimilarto, insomecasesdifferenttotheglobal. 00:18:1.070 --> 00:18:2.560 ThepictureacrosstheUnitedKingdom. 00:18:2.690 --> 00:18:28.940 What I saidwhen I leftitwasonlyThursdaynightwasif I'm leavingLabourParty, I'llcomestraightbackdowntowhalesjusttocontinuethatdiscussionandstartthatcampaignbecauseweneedtomakethecaseforanevenstrongerWelshgovernmentsowecanshowwhatwedoinpower, whichisfantasticthingsthatchangeliveshereinWales, you, ourcampaignandwhales.
A lot I likewhales, feelslikeitfeelslike a secondhomeinmanywaysandweneedtobeabletomakesurethatpeopleunderstandthatlabourisinpowerinWalesandmakes a differencewhetheritisannouncingtheclimateemergencyandbeingthefirstgovernmenttodoso.
Wehave a hugeeconomicopportunityherethroughpublicownership, notjusttobringbillsdownforpeoplewouldalsotokickstartinvestmentinoureconomiesandsupportbusinessesandindustry.
Thegovernmenthas a moralroletoincreaseprosperityinoureconomyandmakepeople's livesbetter. 00:26:57.870 --> 00:27:1.260 Anditdoesthatthroughstrategicpublicownershipandinvestment. 00:27:2.840 --> 00:27:13.620 OnDrew's question, therewas a beananybenefitsatalltogeneralpublic, justinthesameolder.
SostartwithKia.
Willyoujustgiveus a yesNo.
One?
SowhetheryouthinktheyhaveBean, I thinkRebeccadidsayno, but I'm notsurewhatanyoneelsedid.
YouYesorno.
EmilyLisa, I think.
No.
But I dothinkthisbinarydebate, wherewedon't recognizethatthere's a roletobringintheprivatesectorinordertoenlisttheirhelpinraisingstandardsis a realproblem.
And I don't wantustogetintothissortofsimplisticdebate, yesornogoodorbad, rightorwrongintheLabourParty.
I thinkourmembersand I thinkthepublicdeservesbetterthanthatfromRebecca.
I justthoughtif I think I do.
SoitwasNo, no.
Fromthree.
In a maybe.
No.
Andyournextquestion s Oh, thiswillbetoEmilyfirst, please.
SothisisfromElliotpenfromCardiffSouthandpanout.
A dividedpartyneverwins. 00:27:59.930 --> 00:28:0.620 Howwouldyouknow? 00:28:0.630 --> 00:28:6.170 YouuniteallsidesoftheLabourPartyonWhathaveyoudoneinyourownCLPtodemonstratethis? 00:28:7.690 --> 00:28:8.820 I'm notsectarian. 00:28:8.830 --> 00:28:10.430 I neverhavebeensectarian.
I haveneverbelongedtoanyparticulargroup.
I comefromtheheartoftheLabourParty.
I wasbornintheparty.
I willdieintheparty.
TheLabourPartyismyhome.
I willdoeverything I cantomakesurethatwe'resuccessful.
And I knowactuallythatwhentheLabourPartyhashisbackagainstthewall, wedon't fighteachother.
Youknow, westandandwefightback.
That's whatwehavetodonow.
Anditseemstomethateverydaythatwespendfightingeachotheris a daythatwewastebecausethat's thedaythatwhenweshouldbefightingtheTories.
Wewerecreatedas a partyis a partyofworkingpeopleforpower.
Andquitefrankly, weneedtobe a littlebitmorefocusedonthat, becauseifwedon't getpowerandwearenothingandwehavetodelivertoworkingpeople, sowehavetosticktogether.
Ofcoursewe're a coalitiononthelefton. 00:28:57.230 --> 00:29:1.450 Therewillbethingswedisagreeon, but 95% ofitwereagreeon. 00:29:1.450 --> 00:29:4.490 Soforheaven's sake, let's focusonthat. 00:29:4.560 --> 00:29:11.700 Weneed a candidatethat's goingtotakeusforward, nottotheleftortotheright, buttakeusforwardandgetustowinthenextelection.
Neveragainmustthishappen.
WhentheyheldtherehearsalsfortheOlympicGames, DannyBoylesaidtohisvolunteersfortheopeningceremony, Youcantweet, youcanfilm, youcantext, youcanpost, but I justratherthatyoudidn't.
Andsooverthecourseofseveralmonths, hundredsofvolunteerscomingtogetherputtinginthousandsofhoursandnot a singlethingleaked.
Why?
Becausetheyhetrustedthem, sotheytrustedhim.
Thisisaboutrespect.
I wanttosee a reallyempoweredDemocraticmovement, oneinwhicheverybodyknowsthattheyhave a stake, onethateverybodyknowsthattheyhave a roletoplayindrivingusforward. 00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:0.060 That's whatwe'vedoneinmyCLP. 00:30:0.060 --> 00:30:21.070 Andthat's whatweneedtodointhisparty, notjustreducingthisto a nonsensedebateaboutgettingridoflaborandpeasratherthanfocusingongettingridofTorreyones, butreallypowerforourmemberstoDrdecisionmakingineveryregion, a nationoffthiscountry, sothatwecanbecometheforcethatweneedtobetotakeontheToriesandwindpowerinfouryearstime, innit?
We'venotbeen a unitedPartyforthelastfouryears, and I don't wanttogothroughanotherfouryearslikethiseveragain.
Wewerecreatedallthoseyearsagois a broadchurchtobringtogetherallviewsonthecenterleft, eventhoughwewerealldifferentin a coalitiontoprovide a forcethatwouldkeeptheToriesoutofpowerforgood.
Andthesecondpartofthatwas, whathaveyoudoneinyourownsealpiecetodemonstrateitsandrealized I hadn't saidthatwesatwiththemonthewaydowntheline.
Actually, I haven't hadproblems.
I'm pointedtopeoplewho I knowfrom.
Mykidshavebeeninmyconstituency.
Wedon't haveproblemswithdivision.
Actually, wehave.
Wehaverespect.
Wehavemutualwaydisagreewitheachother. 00:32:59.170 --> 00:33:2.680 Butweworktogetherandweareanoutwardlookingcampaigningparty. 00:33:2.850 --> 00:33:6.700 Andfrankly, when I wasfirstelectedinmycondition, wehad a majorityof 484. 00:33:6.710 --> 00:33:8.400 Wehadnothingbutlivedincounselors. 00:33:8.540 --> 00:33:11.670 Nowwehaveonlylaborcounselors, and I have a majorityof 18,000.
Andthatisbecausewesticktogetherandwefightback.
Andthat's whatwedo.
And I leadfromthefrontandthendothatlaterparty.
Youneed a campaignerinchiefwhokeepsusasone.
Thankyou.
Well, that's why I said, Thisisaboutrespectandit's aboutpowerbecausemymembersaremyanchor.
Youcanexpect 580,000 peopletoagreeoneverything, Butyoucancreatetheatmospherewhichtherecouldberobust, a reallygooddebatewhereeverybody's voiceisheardandthen a decisionismade, whichpeoplerespect.
And I thinkthat's thewayweoughttodopolitics.
I thinkwecandopoliticsinthatway. 00:35:56.330 --> 00:36:0.610 I thinkmostpeopleareusedtoitbecauseineverydaylife, inmostjobs, that's whathappens. 00:36:0.800 --> 00:36:8.770 Peoplehavedifferentviews, theytalkaboutit, theycometogetheras a collectivedecisiononwhenourpassionandcommitmentanddedicationcomestogether. 00:36:8.830 --> 00:36:10.650 We'reinunstoppablemovement.
Weneedtobuildthataswegoforward.
A unitedfightingpartylookingoutwardsalwaysandcelebratingthefactwearesostrong.
Thankyou.
Elliottthinkswegotsomewhereneartheanswerthat I willleaveittohimtodecide.
AndthenextquestionisfromDave.
Middletonwasnotreleasedheronthisone S o Davison, CardiffNorth.
Whatwillyoudotoreassureyoungclimateactiviststhatlaboroffersthem a home?
Andso I wasveryproudtobetheshadowenergyandclimatechangesecretarywhocalledfor a greenindustrialrevolutionfiveyearsago. 00:36:55.950 --> 00:37:0.380 Butthen I wentbacktoWiganand I foundthatpeopledidn't havethefaintestcluewhat I wastalkingabout. 00:37:0.860 --> 00:37:17.850 And I thinkoneofthethingsthatwehavetodoistaketheradicalismandthedynamismoftheofferthatlaborhasalwayshadfromthefoundationofthenationalparksmovementallthewaythroughtotheworkthatJohnPrescottdead, andthenGordonBrowngivingusthefirstclimatechangesecretaryintheworld's firstclimatechangeact.
Weneedtotake a lotofhistoryinthatradicalismonthatdesiretogofurtherandfasterintacklingthegreatestchallengethatwehave, andweneedtoturnitintorealconcreteactionontheground.
I wasreallyproudoftherolethat I playedinbringingintheClimateChangeact.
I'm workingonthatbillthroughtheDepartmentofEnergyandClimateChange. 00:39:57.420 --> 00:40:1.520 I wasreallyproudtobeonthedelegationthatwenttoCopenhagenwherewetook a worldlead. 00:40:1.840 --> 00:40:9.260 Thenthatwasn't off a longtimeagoandwhat's happenedsincethenwehavejustbeendriftingandasthemorewedrifted, morehopelesspeoplefeelmorehelpless. 00:40:9.260 --> 00:40:17.430 Peoplefeelwhatweneedtodoisweneedtohave a clearplanweneednotonlyofcourse, tohavetargetsandBritainneedstoshowthewayintermsofhowitisthatwedoiton.
Butit's nottheonlyanswer, becauseinreal, where I spend a lotoftimeandFlintwhere I wasonMonday, peopleneedmuchmorepowerovertheirownlives. 00:45:54.210 --> 00:46:6.490 Sothissettlementthatwebuild, ithastorunfromNorthWellsandthevalleysallthewaytoCardiff, AndithenfromCardifftoLondonortheotherendoftheendforhisRodriMorganusedtocallitThankyou.
Yougonnajumpoverthesameartagainthere.
Soit's not a record.
Butthereis a discussionhereaboutindependence.
Andthereis a narrativefromsomeofyouroppositionpartiesherewheretheyaregonnakeepbringingittothefour.
Sofortheavoidanceofdoubt, iftherewere a Welshindependencereferendumorthere's a campaignforit, wherewouldyoustandrecordiftheWelshParliamenthadassemblydeterminedthatthat's whattheywantedtodo.
I thinkthatwecouldnotas a Democraticparty, standinthewayofthatdecision, what I wouldnotbecomepainingforindependenceand I'd bemaking a verystrongcasefortheongoingcollaboration.
Butwe'vegottoviewWalesandScotlandisautonomousintheirownrightbygivingthemthepowersthattheydeserveandtheydon't havethoseatthemoment. 00:46:55.090 --> 00:47:3.590 And I thinkthatunderlies a lotoftheproblemsthatwe'reseeingthatwealsoneedtosaymorecollaborationbetweenourWelshandScottishcolleaguesonthisveryissue. 00:47:4.380 --> 00:47:5.090 Great, thankyou.
Butdeevolution's a process, notanevent, and I thinkweshoulddevelopmore.
Sowe'reactuallydoingpoliticsfromthebottomup, arenotthetopdown, thankyouverymuch. 00:48:5.230 --> 00:48:6.310 What I agreewithallthat? 00:48:6.310 --> 00:48:8.560 Thequestionis, howwouldwemake a decision? 00:48:8.560 --> 00:48:19.810 Whatwouldourpositionbein a referendumondhewatchshouldLabor's positionbeandit's allverywellastalkingaboutbeing a partyofdevolution, butweneedtokindofapplythattotheLabourPartyaswell.
AnditseemstomethatthereforeitisnotformeisanEnglishpoliticiantobetellingWelshlabourwhatitspolicyonthisship, I needtobelisteningtoyou.
Weneedtohave a bitmorecloseworkingbetweenbetweenWelsh, WelshLabourandSouthSideandWestminsterandEnglandweneedtobewillbeabletoworkthesethingsouttogetherand I thinkthat I mean, I remembercomingdownonthetrainwithWelshlabourwhenweweregoingtothemanifestomeetingandquitefranklytheyhadn't beeninvolvedearlyenoughatall. 00:48:48.770 --> 00:49:5.540 Youknow, wedoneedtohave a bitmorerespectforeachotherandfrankly, I thinkthatthatthatLondonhasnothadenoughrespectforWelshlabourandit's abouttimewestarted, Emilysaid. 00:49:5.550 --> 00:49:7.530 Before, whatdowedoifweallagreewitheachother? 00:49:7.530 --> 00:49:12.010 And I saidsowecouldjustgotothepub, carryonthisconversationthere.
I thinkthatifthere's a clamorforanindependencereferendumlikeBeckyisnotrightforustostandinthewayofthat.
But I wouldcampaignfortheunionand I willalwayscampaignfortheUnitedKingdombecause I don't believethatanyoftheproblemsthatworkingclasspeoplefaceinthiscountryissolvedbydividingusandbynarrownationalism.
But I thinkthiscountryhasalsohadenoughofreferendums.
Thatwhalestarsreallywellwiththefundingthatitdoes, anditisimaginativeandlateralthinkinganditshowsthewayanditishowlaborcanbewith A with a healthserviceifweweretobeinpower.
Butitdoesneedmorefundingthanitgetsatthemoment.
Thankyou. 00:52:4.470 --> 00:52:17.130 Manyofthechallengesthatfacethechesshereofthechallengesthatfacethe N hsacrosstheUK, notleasttheagingpopulationontheanswertothisistogetonthefrontthoughttopreventproblemsfromoccurring.