400回目のスペシャル・エピソード。ケビン・クリフトン、ジェイク・ウッド、リッキー・ワイルドとの成功の秘訣 (LIVE) (400th Special Episode: Secrets to Success With Kevin Clifton, Jake Wood & Ricky Wilde (LIVE))

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Good evening on the Oh, thanks for coming, man.
All right.
Welcome to the 400 episodes.
Oh, wow.
Rowdy, rowdy bunch.
Oh, shit.
Right.
So, yeah, I'm really excited.
I've been like a kid in a candy shop for the last few weeks Thinking about this, um, to off the most successful people in their fields to off probably the biggest celebrity names in the U.
K.
In their fields.
Maybe even in all fields have agreed to come and be your special guests at the 400 podcast episode.
And I think it's a real privilege that we all get to spend time with these people.
I feel really privileged that they've become really good friends of mine since, Well, we go back a bit further because we've got property and business relationship when Kevin got into property.
But really, it's my work with them on my podcast.
That kind of kicked everything off.
Jake would has his very successful podcast Pound for Pound.
Kev's podcast is launching before the strictly show, The Kevin Clifton Show.
We went down to Southampton, where he was doing one of his shows and did three episodes with him, So this really is all in about podcasts, so I want you to be involved as much as we're involved, which means that I'm certainly for I would say at least 1/3 off each of the interviews.
I'm going to open the floor to questions, so I'm gonna give you a little bit of time to prepare what your one question might be now, with theming tonight on secrets to your success cause actually kept been interviewed twice in my pockets before.
He's one of only maybe four or five guests I've interviewed twice.
Kev's got great story.
He start many great things on.
He's very honest and open about some of the challenges.
He's out on his journey, but I wanna make sure the interview with him tonight.
It's a little bit different from what you've had on the podcast before.
And whilst we did talk a bit about Kevin success, we talk more about his journey.
We didn't really get into what makes him a great dancer.
You know what made him win strictly after five or six or seven goes on?
What does he think makes an amazing dancer et cetera on.
I'd like to theme it like that just so that the 400 and the 401st on the 402nd episodes that come out, they have a little bit of a unique flavor to them.
We'll have another special guest now.
I I invited us to Marigold, JLS and Janni, who's got huge YouTube channel.
Is that the rap guys massive in cars?
They both said yes, but they couldn't do this one, Aston said, brought me in for the 5/100.
So I'm doing 500 episodes every day to get that one in quick.
But someone who's coming today.
Yeah.
Hayes, his sister, is wild, the famous, and he is in her band and he writes her songs.
Andi, I've got to know him.
Recently, he is the most lovely man you'll ever meet.
He's just started podcast.
I've been advising him on that, So he's coming up with Jake literally.
Jake's been filming all day, and he's driven straight up.
So Kevin is a really busy guy.
He gets one day between his current tour before he's on to strictly it's that's like a full football season one day off full football season.
So Jake been filming all day, gets in the car comes up here, so I know you're excited, consensual, excited.
But these guys have really delivered for us on, you know, they're not getting paid.
They're just doing it because they love podcasts and they want to help her community.
So I'm really grateful.
Thank you.
Really appreciate it, mate.
Let's get you out of that.
Wasn't actually your intro, but just come on, come up anyway.
That's all right.
Now, as you can see, I've got no questions.
I wanted to be really conversational, but kept The first thing I would like to know is what you've been dancing since you were four.
Correct?
Yes.
And you are now 30 36 even dancing 32 years.
You must have seen some amazing dancers on many dancers who were good but didn't quite make it on many average dancer.
What makes the best?
Um, I think the best dancers are the ones that they've got a sort of a good grasp of technique like they've worked and worked and worked.
But like that, that will bring you to being a good dancer.
But the best ones are the ones that can connect with people on an emotional level.
So to me it's the ones that can make you feel something, I suppose, like like any, Like like with acting or singing.
I suppose even if you imagine like you fit your favorite singer is not necessarily the greatest technical singer in the world.
But there's something about the music.
There's something there's something about a certain song or something that makes you feel something.
Yeah, no, no.
But like, I really feel something like when he's with his songs over or when is performing.
And so for me the best the best dancers are the ones that have that ability.
Thio.
Yeah, to make you feel that that can connect emotionally with you and so on.
Strictly Is it different?
What makes a winner of strictly different to what makes a great dancer?
Uh, no.
The answer is yes.
But yes, you took it in terms of the celebrities doing it or or is this prose tell us we've got all night may Well, in terms of the celebrities like a as you know, it depends on who the audience get behind really On DDE.
That could be many different things.
I think people watch strictly and I think a lot of the time they like to see someone who wasn't necessarily brilliant at the start and they have to work really hard and they see a lot of improvement on also, like I said, with just being a dancer, that they want to connect emotionally, I think people get bored of watching someone who's just kind of kind of perfect in terms of technique and lines and things.
They don't want to give in a display of something.
They they want to get excited.
Bye.
So yeah, and with that with the pros, like if I if I was to do, I haven't done the bin in the dance competition world for quite a while.
I stopped doing that in 2007.
12 years now I've been out of the competition scene.
If I was to go and do competitions nowadays, I probably wouldn't get anywhere as I used to be quite successful in it.
But I probably wouldn't get anywhere because it's judged in a very sort of technical, technical way.
You have to satisfy this and take that box and and whatever where is on?
If some of those if some of the top competitors in dancing competitions.
If they were to cross over to strictly come dancing, I think a lot of them would struggle on strictly because I don't think they would understand that.
Like I said, the audience that the audience are looking to get excited, the audience looking toe, feel something with what they're watching.
They don't want a technical display of a sort of expert movement.
Yeah, so it's sort of two different things like I've been trying to win strictly for years.
Only only just finally happens.
Very.
Yeah, it's all about the celebrities.
It's nothing about that.
Yeah, I've been saying nothing about yeah, for six years.
I've been saying, You know, it's all about the entertainment, about the audience and it's all about the show.
Onda winning really doesn't mean anything.
But like that moment when they called out her name, some final was a pretty good moment.
Yeah, I think you know, I think that was probably the combination of, you know, the pro instill a sense of what Stacy Dooley on the last Siri's Theo.
I think people took her because she was just very normal people.
It's about relating to people isn't it all the time in anything.
It's the same with like, I don't know if you're interviewing someone our own things about relating to someone.
I think people related to stated she was a normal girl.
People see themselves in her going on that journey of trying to work as hard as possible.
A TTE, this new skill and just doing their best on dhe.
She did work card.
She and she really improved.
I think she should have displayed that like the first A couple of weeks we were doing eight hours a day training on DDE.
We're getting fours and fives out of 10 from the judges on dhe, sort of not doing as well as we'd like.
Andi, she just went.
I don't want to get kicked out early Like I really enjoying this.
I want I want to do better than this.
I think we need to put more hours in and we ended up doing 14 hours a day of training andare improvement just just went through the roof.
He just kept kept improving and improving.
And I think people like that in someone and then, you know, with May it was probably a bit of a sympathy vote that went with it because because I've been runner up four times, eso people were probably thinking, Yeah, I really like She's really hard work and she's doing a good job and she's dancing with him.
Just give him it, Give it, give him the wind.
Just wants things, these pages.
Jews.
Yeah.
So I think there's a lot of factors go into it when it comes to strictly specifically, popularity, liking to see someone work hard, like to see them improve?
No, necessarily perfect relatable.
Make you feel something?
Yeah.
I mean, there were two girls in the final, one of them from the Pussycat Dolls and one of them from steps, both lovely and both brilliant dancers.
But they were brilliant from week one because they were professional dancers.
Before they're pro partners.
We're professional dancers.
Could you argue that it was harder for them because the expectation was higher?
I think it was easier for them to get to the final, but when it came where the judges have nothing to do with it and it's just down to public vote in the final, I think they had a big task on their hand to convince the public to vote for them to win.
I think everyone loved them and enjoyed what they were doing.
Nothing.
And no one had anyone against them, but to inspire someone to get behind them.
And it's a funny thing in this country, I think way.
Love an underdog.
Someone's really good from the beginning way immediately.
Take against them way.
Want someone who's not great, but they're working really hard like we champion hard work here.
Yeah, yes, I think, Yeah, I think that had a lot to do with it on on Strictly.
Yeah, So in your shows burn the floor rock of ages.
Yet there you have it may be a bit more creative license.
Yeah.
Do you work on the emotional connection parts?
It's something you're really thinking about.
How can I move these people and make them feel something?
Yeah, more than anything.
Yeah, that's That's the main, the main ingredient for me.
It's linking emotion, everything, because then then people will go along.
Like like I said, People's favorite song usually is a song that relates somehow to a certain feeling or memory.
Andi, think, think Tony Robbins does a lot of that sort of work, like he gets you to link emotion to a certain thought or desire or something that you want to achieve.
So it's not just like I'd like to achieve this.
It's like, What would it mean?
Thio.
What would happen to you if you don't achieve this or, you know, and how would it change your life?
If you do achieve this and, like, put yourself in a position?
How would it feel?
Like that's what Tony Robbins is doing when he talks about stuff?
So it's It's all about linking emotions of stuff.
So when I'm going out as a performer in anything, whether I'm acting, singing, dancing, my main aim is to make people feel something, and it's it's less important, actually, say, like when I'm singing in rock of ages.
It's less important to me like whether I hit that note perfectly or whether my voice is a bit rough that night or whatever.
As long as the audience feel something is like they get excited, they get emotionally no, they get, you know, get goose bumps or like whatever the thing is or they're laughing zits comedy.
As long as they feel something, and then there hopefully gonna enjoy it will be inspired in some way or yeah, get excited What Everything is.
So it's all about that emotion for me.
So I'm a great student of really successful people, and I don't if you've watched this yet, Kevin know many of my community have.
But on the second of January, I watched a documentary on Alexander McQueen.
McQueen, right?
Really moved May one of the best designers that ever lived, E I think it was the head of giving.
Was she?
At 19 years old?
The head design was just like, unheard of what he achieved.
And throughout his life, you've got a lot of criticism for his work because it was quite dark, not skulls and of death, a lot of darkness in his design.
And he said pretty much exactly the same thing.
He said, You come to my show.
I don't care if you love it.
I don't care if you hate it.
I just want you to feel something.
Yeah, yeah, and I think he really needed that.
And I think humans really need that room and you watch an amazing Netflix documentary or you're moved or inspired by someone or a film or a hero is I think it's gone.
It's because they make you feel something.
They make you feel alive.
They make cause alive.
It's not just about feeling good.
It's also about feeling sad.
I mean, some of the best music in the world is some of the sad.
Yeah, And so do you see that as your job as a dancer and entertainer to take him on like a journey?
Yeah.
You're looking for lows as well as highs.
Yeah, like like when I'm teaching my celebrities on strictly come dancing.
I encourage them to go all in on something t like, give absolutely everything to a performance like don't ever play it safe.
Don't ever try and sort of hold back in any way in the hope that, like, it might not be the best that I could do it, but it's not gonna be a disaster, you know, like like being scared of it, being that disaster.
That's what I want to show I away from.
And I always say to them like I would write So for those who don't watch strictly, we get scored out of 10 on, certainly by the judges for each performance on Dhe.
I say to my partners, like we we aim for the 10 obviously, but I would rather you get a two, then get six.
Because I think if if you get a six, it's sort of it is safe.
It's alright.
It's fine.
You got through it.
You did okay.
It wasn't brilliant, but it wasn't a disaster.
Where is if you get too?
At least I feel like people got something to talk about.
People.
People are gonna remember you.
You're on some sort of journal.
Like you're saying you're on some sort of journey.
If you get into two, you're at the bottom.
Yeah, but you got somewhere to go because their next week we can come back on benefits.
Yeah, Yeah.
Three.
Yeah, but then that if we get But then if we get, like, an eight or a nine a couple of weeks later, it's like, Oh, my God, Look at that.
Look at that.
Look at that improvement.
You know all of this.
Where is if someone's gone?
Got six, and then a seven and then an eight, then they're sort of they were already there or especially if they're all just detonates, right?
Right off the bat.
It's like, Where do you go get thinking about it?
There have to be some kind of disaster, which might mean a major fall.
And to make a major for you might have to try a hard move.
Yeah, Exactly.
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You just got it.
You just gotta go for it.
Looked like thinking Which dance was it with Stacy that would it samba, which was sort of she wasn't a natural Latin American dancer and start like a couple of weeks earlier was when we were getting fours doing attach a chair.
And she was real nervous about Sam because it's probably sort of the most similar dance.
Andi, she was like, you know, she was asked me, Is there something that we could do that sort of Just make sure I get through it and save Absolutely.
No way.
We dressed her up in a dress full of feathers.
There's further fans everywhere.
It was like everybody look at this and take note that this is gonna be a massive performance.
And I said, I want you going absolutely flat out energy energy energy as I don't care if the technique is all over the place.
I don't care if there's like steps going wrong.
I want you going flat out energy and have an amazing time because I think people really enjoy it.
If you just go for that on.
People did enjoy, you know, technically, the work issues everywhere.
But then people started getting behind because they were like, Look, a having a go on die.
Think a lot of people just thought, you know, I wantto That's what I'd hoped to do if I was on that journey on on strictly, and people were relating toe where there might have been a slightly better dancer that week.
But they got forgotten about because they weren't they weren't all in, you know, It wasn't like just all cards on the table.
Go back flat out, give everything you've got, let go there.
I guess if someone like Alexander McQueen says, I don't mind if you love me, I don't make a lot mind if you hate me.
I just wanted to feel something, and you're saying, I don't mind if you get too as long as you don't get six It sounds like what you're saying is the extreme ends of the emotions where you experience life where you couldn't have a comeback from a five year.
Yeah, maybe where you get remembered that middle ground of anything does it get remembered?
Do them just the middle of anything it remember?
I don't know.
I've got my haters.
You couldn't have any, have got so many.
You are lovely.
No, Like I'm just learning to not look at that.
They say forums or social media stuff because that's the worst trouble.
Horrible.
What's coming?
What's the worst you've had?
The worst.
That's good ones make thes guys.
Does anyone ever called you a bitch?
Liquor.
Ah, bit slicker.
Called me up in the dictionary.
Was it there means something.
Yeah, Train back on that.
You have a look at that.
What was some of the things?
The rider, if they ever caught your dick.
Tried rider?
No, no, no, no.
That wanke is fuck.
Probably some videos of swankiest.
You've really got me.
Oh, love me or angry?
Um, I one of them that are red, which is quite funny is that that is said Kevin Clifton's wig is terrible.
like in a wig.
Yes, I get that.
And then, you know, it's always like, you know, he looks like this, and he looks like that.
I just live here.
They attack the way you look and the way you talk, you know, stupid stuff like that.
And people, if they just don't like it, they just don't like it, not come up for reasons why.
Oh, he's the He's the golden boy.
The BBC doing everything just to make him when he is that you know, he's the favored one all the time.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, I wish I would be, because then I would have won already come in second, like nearly every year, but yeah.
Oh, we're sort of sat here and talk about how to be successful.
So I want to tell you everyone is there's no you don't let that stuff bother you.
But course it does.
Like you can't.
I'm human, you know, Like so when when you read it, you know they don't know you.
Why does it bother you?
Well, yeah, Why does it?
But for some reason it does.
I know that it shouldn't like I know it's sort of this stuff, but I I'm not great at a like it.
I do.
I do read it sometimes and it's like an addiction.
Sometimes it's like you just search out that like you can have loads of nice comments on social media and you'll just keep scrolling until you find that one.
That one that's had a go at you, Andres.
You feel horrible.
And then that's all you can think about like for the rest of the day.
And you can let it ruin your day.
I know I shouldn't look at it, but yeah, course it does, Like course it concern can affect you.
It's just how you go forward from there.
I mean, actually got more successful.
You must have Maur.
Yeah, so have you.
Do you think you've got better handling it?
Probably in the last year, but six months to it.
Three years you've been in the press a lot more.
Yeah, I've just Yeah been thrown in the deep end a suppose like, it's one of them things again.
Where what I feel like I've experienced a little bit is well, while I was that guy that was coming second all the time on strictly.
I never really had that much problem like from the press, for example.
They quite liked me and they championed me because I wasn't the the tall, dark, handsome, muscular, good looking guy that was just winning and winning at life all the time.
I was let pasty kid from Grimsby who couldn't quite win.
So everyone was all right with was fine.
We liked him.
We liked pasty little Kevin's, I assume as soon as, uh, as soon as we won it turned like like I suddenly started experiencing, you know, like they just wanted to find stories and take things out of context and write stuff about me.
And I've read so much stuff about myself in the last sort of six months that has nothing to do with any kind of truth.
They just make stuff up.
Always.
An inside source says, It's like you, isn't it?
You're the insight on insight, an inside source saying something is just a person saying it like if I go, if I go right here now, like even in front of anyone or even if I just said it's a one person.
Rob Moore's a bitch liquor.
That doesn't mean Rob Moore is a bitch.
Liquor.
It just means someone said something.
And if that person is a journalist, then I could be an inside source.
Said that doesn't make it true.
You might be starting something.
He Oh, after that happened, someone sent me a T shirt with happy hashtag bitch liquor.
Really?
On.
Bobby said, What is bitch you've got better handling in because you've been forced?
I just had to Yeah, it's one of the things would like just I couldn't run away from it.
Just it was just there constantly on.
Do some people believe it?
Like some people feed into this sort of gossip and stuff so that so that I get messages on social media.
Kevin this and Kevin there, they know nothing about anything.
But then suddenly, I'm just being bombarded with all these messages from people.
Usually, you know, it's just some sort of faceless person on Twitter will be where they don't put their names, little numbers or something.
Have you clear your mind of that where you're about to do a shot or, you know, you need to step up?
Um, well, what's been really nice is that I've been on tour for for all of this year so far, and I always come out on stage door and see people afterwards.
If anyone just wants to say hello, take a picture or whatever.
And actually, what I've found is people in general.
Actually, people just went there face to face a nice people that are actually decent.
It's just sort of this online culture of faceless, trolling type stuff where people feel like they can just have a girl will say something on the press, the press just want to sell newspapers on dhe.
They're not gonna They're not gonna sell the newspaper by saying Kevin did a good show today.
Yeah, you know, in front of the sun, Yeah, it's gonna buy it.
So So they have to find something that sort of feels controversial and, you know, so they just they just twist anything into something that sounds controversial on anything that will do is click bait on The more I've seen it, the more I'm starting to get immune to it.
It's just yeah, it's like anything.
The more the more you practice anything or that, the more you get your just thrown into something that the more you get, the more you get used to it.
Let.
Like when?
When I first came here.
Yeah, when I first came thio progressive, I was doing all sorts of stuff.
I went on one of the courses.
I didn't sort of a few of the courses on.
Guy went on the course that was was about speaking things because you know how to do speeches and stuff coming for the name of it.
But I came here and I was sat at a table.
We're just like one of these roundtables with a group of people, and we're sort of saying hello.
I was really shy on dhe.
People were going.
Oh, you know how I am.
What's your name on Kevin?
This lovely lady next to me?
Ask me, what do you do?
What?
Theo on I said, Oh, I'm I'm just doing some normal, normal biter.
Let's on.
All right.
See a property property here.
What do you do as a full time property known and I'll see you have another job.
Yeah.
What?
What?
What do you do?
Arms.
Self employed?
Because?
Because, like, because I do.
Things are coming on TV.
The perception would be that, unlike, mad, confident I'm not all never have been on.
Guy couldn't bring it.
It wasn't within me to Saito.
Well, I'm one of the most successful professionals that strictly come dancing.
Did you not see my hips as I walked in?
But I got a lady's blushing.
I sat there, going young.
I'm self employed until Okay, so what is it that you do?
Oh, you know, just I couldn't say it, and then she and then she said, I don't want to be rude.
You don't have to tell me, but like, you don't, what is it that you do?
Because you seem quite like like you don't want to say.
In the end, I said I'm a dancer, all right?
And then left it there because I've been so embarrassed about it.
She assumed like I was some sort of stripper eyes it that kind of that kind of dancing, that you do like clubs.
And I was like, No, look at me.
Yeah, that'd be unsuccessful.
That's what I mean.
But in the end, it sort of came about this at all.
Have you heard of a show called Strictly come dancing And she went, Hang on, you're Kevin from early on.
Then it went around the room and everyone you know has one sort of excited.
And I know you air taking pictures and whatever, But at that time, I was really scared of, sort of speaking, like from people.
Now it feels a bit easier, like like right now, like this didn't seem like a problem like before.
A few years ago, I would have been like been like, really nervous and sweating.
It's like anything, the more you sort of throw yourself into something with property like 10 clue what I was doing that how to go about being a property investor, you know, Now I'm doing it.
It's like, Well, like with anything, you throw yourself into it and just accept that you I guess if you just accept, you're not gonna be perfect, that it's so like with getting all the trolling on all that you just accept.
You know, I've got no experience with this, you know, and you talk to people who have been through it before, like the whole, you know, mental thing.
So Rob's been mentoring for awhile, you won.
The first things you said to me was like, If you haven't got any haters, you're not doing enough right, Which is kind of along those same lines, I suppose of like throwing all in and either the 10 or like the two you've got to go all in and go straight towards something.
I also just spoke toe other people who have been in the position that or that have been on TV, like a lot longer than I have a gun.
How do you have to put up with this?
And then some of them say, I'm just I just don't hear it on some say like, it was the first time I had to deal with it.
It was it was horrible on.
But you know, you think you think that the whole world is talking about you and you think that it's this massive deal.
You put your place all this importance on it.
Um, but the truth is, no one cares.
No one really cares on.
That's probably a good thing to remember with any of it.
Whenever you're feeling like like worried about what anyone is thinking of you like going into something.
Are you nervous about it?
No one cares.
Like six months ago when the newspapers were having a go at me about something that was going Oh, my God, everyone.
I think everyone hates me on Dhe.
You know, everyone's talking about this thing that's going on in my life.
The truth was, probably people would probably just scold passed it on the phone.
When there's that guy, he's done something and went on to the next thing and then went to get their shopping, make sure their kids got to school and then watch Netflix or something like they don't like the in general, people don't care.
Probably, you know, massive percentage of this room probably didn't even know I waas Azzam walking onto this age.
They're like it's like, you feel like the whole world is caving in, but it is fine.
Well, I was hanging out a fair bit with you while that was going on.
I never read one each of those columns.
Yeah, no idea what it was.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's fine the way we think.
What?
We know what people are thinking, but yeah.
Then they got their own problems.
They've got their own things to worry about.
Yeah.
Didn't have your column inches top of their mind.
Yeah, on dhe.
I'm trying to sort of keep relating to it.
So it's not just all talking about dancing like the same like coming here t progressive.
Like when I was first sort of talking to people and trying to network.
And I have no idea how are how to talk to people and talk to people about property.
And I just had this, like, imposter syndrome of I don't know anything about it.
I don't know enough about property to be here, And you assume that everyone in the room is is a property billionaire on they know everything, Every detail, you know, about every law to do with mortgages, Italy on tax and whatever and you completely out of your depth on.
But if I say anything, people are gonna think I'm an idiot and the know, how are they?
They're not.
People just want to make people, and they've got their own stuff going on in their own deals and their, you know, whatever.
And they just want to chat about it.
So it's just getting that, like, imposter syndrome out the way, but it's it's always been there with me.
It's always been a massive challenge for me.
I think just recently I'm startinto get better, right?
So I'm Kev's podcast will come out in.
Yeah, well, it comes on TV in September with pros getting your podcast out before strictly star.
That was the pact we made.
Yes, Yes.
Oh, I'm sometimes that we made about two years for strictly.
I didn't mean 2025.
I'm going to do a podcast.
You know, I'm just gonna procrastinate for that longer, because if I start talking, people are gonna think I'm stupid and they're gonna judge my podcast on There's gonna be loads a comment saying I hate this.
I don't want to hear his voice anymore.
Get rid of him.
So the reason I said that was because Kevin was very proud that Kevin let me interview him for his first episode of his podcast on it was very open about some of his impossible syndrome and stuff like that.
They felt so Listen to that first episode, definitely when it comes out in a few weeks time, but back onto the theme of secrets of success.
I know this and people that you admire greatly, you know, that you think are very successful.
I know you've mentioned people like the Rock or Robbie Williams.
You know, people like that.
So whether you want to talk about specific people or general, what traits do you admire in other successful people?
The main, the main one.
Hard work.
But I know that's really, really obvious, but like when?
When you see someone, um, hate laziness on.
But when you when you see someone like the rock like he's just he went from being sort of he tried to.
You wanted to be an American footballer on Dhe when all guns blazing I but kind of failed.
It didn't go the way you want it to.
And then he became the pro wrestler, and he just worked and worked and completely conquered that world.
And then he went on to to make movies, and he's just worked and worked and worked on Duncan.
That, and you see all my social media and everything is just relentless like, and now he's got all these such an entrepreneur.
He's got all these businesses, he branches out.
Everything he does seems to become a successful because he just seems to be relentless in how hard he works.
I think what I admire in someone like Robbie Williams is one as a performer.
He has that ability to connect emotionally, like like we we talked about but also is quite humble, like, um, I feel like he has these sort two sides to it.
That's why I'm fascinated with him.
He has this side of him that is over the top performer, Robbie Williams, and people would think that he's Harrigan, and that's the sort of ego performance side of character of him.
But then you hear and being interviewed, and he's got all the same insecurities as anyone else, like massively insecure and worried about what everyone thinks and struggles with a lot of stuff.
And I think when you hear people like him talking about that stuff, it's really cool because you just realize guys thinking all I'm saying things that I was thinking on, do you know?
Because it's it's not.
It's not just that people are born as these genius greats like people, people have insecurities like all the best ones have all these insecurities.
Keep plowing through, keep failing keep getting rejected, but keep going.
Keep working, working, working, working, working.
And then that seemed to become really successful.
So, yeah, it's that ability to keep working.
Past failure on dhe rejection like to get for me to get to the my likeness.
Sexy women.
Strictly on this last seriously, I got rejected by strictly twice that I really wanted to be a pro on the show I got.
I got turned down twice until I finally got the job and then have been, like, so close, so many times to win in.
And then finally, almost six year on the show got there.
It has become a long journey and then to get in on the show.
As as, Well, um, just because it's things on an overnight success.
We were talking about this earlier.
When people think that people can just become overnight, success is usually years of work that's gone in before that.
Like for me, I was dancing as a competitors, and then I joined a show called Burn the Floor, a dance company and just workmen not soft for for years for that company, and the director of the show is Guy called Jason Gill Casson and he like we started off.
We were performing in front of like No.
One.
A first.
We're performing in front of about 15 people in a casino in Reno, Nevada, on Dhe.
Then I remember once we performed in a theme park in the Busch Gardens theme park in Florida, in front of one guy in Burger and Jets like, and he wasn't there to see the show.
It was there, the burger and chips.
It just so happened that we were.
We were performing while he was there.
He was sort of half watching us, and that was my career is a dancer at that time, but it's every time, even if it's one person in a boat.
Still go out and be all in.
Go for that.
Give everything you've got on stage that day.
Andi.
We're tryingto you know, the show was trying to get bigger and bigger and bigger, and there's a chance that we might get to make it to Broadway once the show would become bigger.
We're in San Francisco, we got told us, these producers in there looking to take the show to Broadway, and it all kind of hangs on tonight's performance, and we've spent a lot of money on this and whatever.
If if we get to go to Broadway, it's everything that the company's ever dreamed off.
If they don't want us with bankrupt and the show will cease to exist on at the time, I have to.
Both of my shins were full of stress fractures, has had shin splints but kept on dancing.
And then I had spread that developed into stress fractures on.
I've seen this doctor while we're on tour in Australia who was looking after, like the Australian Olympic team.
Awesome in.
And he said, Right, here's your took scans of my legs and he went right, here's a perfectly good leg and here's a leg snapped in half.
Both of your legs are about here right now that I was like, Okay, so what happens now?
Like what?
How can I?
What do I need to take?
Andi went.
You need six months off.
67 months of complete rest, and I can't I can't do that because I'm gonna miss out and we're trying to get the coat aboard.
Wendy, get me this machine that do things that had to stick my legs in every night on guys taking loads of ibuprofen, and I'm sure it wasn't like the healthiest.
But But there was one night where Jason Gill Casson, the director, came to me and he said, Right on.
I was having a few shows off because of my my legs.
They have been very careful with me and he said, Tonight's the night best we make it to Broadway, but we don't anyone and know you're in pain.
But I really need you onstage Just can you give me tonight?
I'll give you the rest of, like, the next few weeks off.
Can you get on stage tonight?
And I was really struggling yet Okay, I'll do it and went on stage.
And, you know, it wasn't just me.
It's like that.
The whole cast.
We're working really hard on Dhe.
We got just went and gave everything that night, and we made it to Broadway, and the show went really well on Broadway and working like solidly like so much work to stay there.
We kept getting extended.
It became a big success and skip forward.
A couple of years later, I'm trying to get on strictly come dancing.
I got rejected on the first time I auditioned, Um, because because I was Alaimo got kid with long hair and black eye makeup, Black fingernails and this way don't really have any need for a golf s o.
So I cut my hair on DSS Martin my axe off a little bit And you know, I'll try and look a bit smarter, like changed my image and went and auditioned again the next year.
And God told Noah again, andan the next thing that happened was they have one extra place on the show, that gun, because they were, like, competing on X factor.
I think they want to make the show bigger.
So it went from 14 to 15 celebrities, so one extra place opened up on On that year, they hired Jason Gill Kison as their creative director of the show On, they said, We got a short list of people like that.
We've seen, um, we need to hire one more pro.
We're not sure about him the end, but so I'm told.
So he's told me like like in that meeting Jason Gill kiss and said, I don't know why you wouldn't hae in life if you I mean, it worked really hard for you and I got the job on DSO.
It's like it's that it's just copying that hut, that work ethic in the people I admire because, like my my dance talent didn't clearly didn't get me.
Oh, dancing alone wasn't enough to get me the job and they weren't happy with my image.
So I feel like it was the biggest factor in me Getting on strictly was work ethic and on dhe Jason vouched for me at that moment and said like he will work hard for you.
This is a question is asked on a lot podcast that I try and avoid.
Okay, I'm gonna get fired.
It may be a lot of people like it's such a good question, I think is relevant to the theme of secrets of success.
If you could meet the younger you maybe just starting in the pro world of dancing, what would the you now give advice to the younger you?
Um, yeah, yeah.
Um, I'm big on this at the moment because I've just been reading the values factor that you told me to read it.
I would say like, just you gotta live your truth.
Like, get get in touch with with what you want And don't think that you have to pander to everyone else all the time I've like, I feel very lucky that I've sort of Everything's gone.
Well, I've done well for myself, but I also think that I've probably wasted a lot of energy worrying what everyone else thinks of me on Daz.
A consequence.
Live in my life for other people all the time on doing what I think I should do as opposed to what I want to do.
You know, the things that really holds a CZ, my top values and priorities like like I should do.
This is only in the last year I've sort of started turning down choreography jobs because I've said I'm gonna I'm gonna be this dancer until that point.
And then I'm gonna be the top choreographer and panicking about it because it is quite stressful paragraph in stuff.
And then I recently got No, actually, I don't think I want to be the choreographer, actually want performs.
Okay, So go perform, then.
Like who you trying to impress?
Like trying to impress people with doing that.
I turned something down just recently because I was close to accepting it.
And then I figured out that the only reason really when I properly honestly, was brutally honest with myself The only reason that I was doing it was, but that was about to accept it was that so I could show off about it on Twitter so I could go to all the throws.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, like 11.
But like exactly to all the trolls that go.
Oh, he's this and he's there, and he can't do that.
And I was gonna go and was gonna accept this job purely to go.
Yes, I can.
Look at me.
I'm doing really well here, but the two things I don't want to do it.
Then I would have stressed out about it.
Or like trying to impress your parents or trying to, you know, impress a boss or just or some ideal that you placed on yourself off.
Like I need to be this person if you're not that person, Not that person.
You don't have to be anything.
You eat what you want to be.
So I'd say to my younger self, don't waste.
Too much energy trying to be something that you don't want to be.
What a session things next one's a bit different.
So Ricky's full name is Ricky Wild.
Hey has sold 20 million records.
That is a lot of records.
Yeah, 20 million.
He's a songwriter, a producer.
He's in a very famous band.
They're huge in Germany.
You may have heard of Kim Wilde.
So Ricky is Kim's brother.
But of course, also band member songwriter producer, a man of many talents.
And I've I really think he's a lovely man.
I've been very privileged to get to know him over the last few months, and I'm really excited to see it was a total surprise.
So please give you could you give a huge round of applause for Mr Rikio?
You see wherever you like.
I'll sit here cause I think Okay, how long have you known?
Checked, by the way?
Probably about four years.
Yeah, maybe longer, but made my wife.
We host a charity night every couple of years, and we heard that Jake had moved.
It moved in about 5 10 minutes around the corner.
So I lived, so we just dropped a little treat door saying there's anything donate for the for the earth for the auction and bless him.
Hit him and Allie were really helpful.
And now they come toe all our balls in it.
And with Jake, does your chin section for us as well.
So But we just got really close through that.
And then we start up a poker group.
There's, like, 10 of us or playing somewhere.
Okay, Brian.
Jake, you ready?
You're good.
So I mean, Jake obviously doesn't need a huge introduction because he's so famous already.
But I think I should give him one.
I think the biggest thing, Jake Stein, his life has come on.
The disruptive entrepreneur podcast on Obviously a huge role in EastEnders.
Really talented man in many areas.
Really interesting.
Funny fun.
Got to be around as well.
So please give a huge round of applause for Mr Theo.
Oh, thank you.
Congratulations.
This'll be This might be 401.
This might be 400 spice.
It depends, Theo.
What do you think it takes to be one of the best actors in TV?
I wouldn't know.
David.
Jason, Someone you've seen, What does it take to be a great act, your hard work dedication, uh, a stubbornness to want to succeed against every kind of every little bit of logic.
You know, I think in some ways it's a career you have to be driven to.
You know, I think probably maybe like dancing any artistic venture.
There's so many years before you get any rewards that in the face of that, everyone always look to.
You know, I met someone recently apart about year ago, Christmas by, and she said, What would you do?
I said, I'm an actor and look poor And she said, That property, Yeah, it's living working for Tom Cruise eyes Always this perception, you know.
But, you know, you know, how did you manage to write it?
I suppose is that is the thing.
And is that your drive or you doing that can do it?
You know, money was never my sort of my drive.
I did it because I loved it.
Onda.
I think it was always passionate about it from from the minute I started doing that started acting professional from the age of 10 which is quite unusual about Grab in Islington in north London.
There's a very good drama club around the corner from where we live.
Woman called and this year, basically her drive should set up this drama school in the sixties to get kids off the street and isn't because it's quite rough area. 00:50:16.09