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>> Martha: BREAKING RIGHT NOW,
>> Martha: BREAKING RIGHT NOW, PRESIDENT TRUMP CLEANING HOUSE
PRESIDENT TRUMP CLEANING HOUSE AFTER BEING ACQUITTED THIS WEEK
AFTER BEING ACQUITTED THIS WEEK ON BOTH ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT.
ON BOTH ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT. THE PRESIDENT APPEARS TO HAVE
THE PRESIDENT APPEARS TO HAVE DECIDED TO LET GO SEVERAL OF THE
DECIDED TO LET GO SEVERAL OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED.
PEOPLE INVOLVED. INCLUDING LIEUTENANT COLONEL
INCLUDING LIEUTENANT COLONEL ALEXANDER OFFENDED MEN, THE
ALEXANDER OFFENDED MEN, THE DEMOCRATS STAR WITNESS WAS
DEMOCRATS STAR WITNESS WAS ESCORTED WHITE HOUSE
ESCORTED WHITE HOUSE GROUNDS TODAY.
GROUNDS TODAY. HIS TWIN BROTHER WHO WORKED AT
HIS TWIN BROTHER WHO WORKED AT THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL AS
THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL AS WELL ALSO OUT OF A JOB TONIGHT.
WELL ALSO OUT OF A JOB TONIGHT. AND JUST MOMENTS AGO, WORRIED
AND JUST MOMENTS AGO, WORRIED THAT U.S. AMBASSADOR GORDON
THAT U.S. AMBASSADOR GORDON SONDLAND REVEALED THAT HE’S BEEN
SONDLAND REVEALED THAT HE’S BEEN RECALLED FROM HIS POST AS
RECALLED FROM HIS POST AS AMBASSADOR TO THE E.U.
AMBASSADOR TO THE E.U. REMEMBER HIS ROLE IN ALL OF
REMEMBER HIS ROLE IN ALL OF THIS?
THIS? >> I KNOW MEMBERS OF THIS
>> I KNOW MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE FREQUENTLY FRAME THESE
COMMITTEE FREQUENTLY FRAME THESE COLLOCATED ISSUES IN THE FORM OF
COLLOCATED ISSUES IN THE FORM OF A SIMPLE QUESTION.
A SIMPLE QUESTION. WAS THERE A QUID PRO QUO?
WAS THERE A QUID PRO QUO? AS I TESTIFIED PREVIOUSLY WITH
AS I TESTIFIED PREVIOUSLY WITH REGARD TO THE REQUESTED
REGARD TO THE REQUESTED WHITE HOUSE CALL IN THE
WHITE HOUSE CALL IN THE WHITE HOUSE MEETING, THE ANSWER
WHITE HOUSE MEETING, THE ANSWER IS YES.
IS YES. >> Martha: JOINED ME NOW IS
>> Martha: JOINED ME NOW IS REPUBLICAN CONGRESS AND MATT
REPUBLICAN CONGRESS AND MATT GAETZ.
GAETZ. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I MEAN, THAT WAS DEFINITELY ONE
I MEAN, THAT WAS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE BIGGEST MOMENTS WHEN
OF THE BIGGEST MOMENTS WHEN GORDON SONDLAND SAID, YES, WHEN
GORDON SONDLAND SAID, YES, WHEN HE SAW THE EXCHANGE IN THE
HE SAW THE EXCHANGE IN THE MEETING OF THE INVESTIGATION OF
MEETING OF THE INVESTIGATION OF THE QUID PRO QUO.
THE QUID PRO QUO. TONIGHT, HE’S OUT OF A JOB.
TONIGHT, HE’S OUT OF A JOB. YOUR THOUGHTS?
YOUR THOUGHTS? >> HE SAW IT THAT WAY.
>> HE SAW IT THAT WAY. THAT WAS LARGELY A PRESUMPTION
THAT WAS LARGELY A PRESUMPTION BUT IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATIONS
BUT IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATIONS UNDOUBTEDLY CREATE SECOND AND
UNDOUBTEDLY CREATE SECOND AND THIRD ORDER EFFECTS, WE ALL KNOW
THIRD ORDER EFFECTS, WE ALL KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT HUNTER BIDEN IF
A LOT MORE ABOUT HUNTER BIDEN IF NANCY PELOSI AND ADAM SCHIFF DID
NANCY PELOSI AND ADAM SCHIFF DID NOT START THIS INVESTIGATION.
NOT START THIS INVESTIGATION. WE KNOW MORE ABOUT GORDON
WE KNOW MORE ABOUT GORDON SONDLAND AND WE LEARNED MORE
SONDLAND AND WE LEARNED MORE ABOUT COLONEL VINDMAN.
ABOUT COLONEL VINDMAN. TIM MORRISON, WHO WAS A SENIOR
TIM MORRISON, WHO WAS A SENIOR OFFICIAL TO LIEUTENANT COLONEL
OFFICIAL TO LIEUTENANT COLONEL VINDMAN USED POOR JUDGMENT AND
VINDMAN USED POOR JUDGMENT AND COULD ENTRUST THE CONCLUSIONS HE
COULD ENTRUST THE CONCLUSIONS HE CAME TO.
CAME TO. THAT INFORMATION WAS TO A HIGHER
THAT INFORMATION WAS TO A HIGHER DEGREE BECAUSE OF IMPEACHMENT
DEGREE BECAUSE OF IMPEACHMENT AND IF YOU LOOK AT GORDON
AND IF YOU LOOK AT GORDON SONDLAND, NO ONE REALLY VIEWED
SONDLAND, NO ONE REALLY VIEWED HIM AS CENTRAL TO THE DELIVERY
HIM AS CENTRAL TO THE DELIVERY OF U.S. POLICY.
OF U.S. POLICY. I THINK WE WILL STILL BE ABLE TO
I THINK WE WILL STILL BE ABLE TO GET BY IN THE DELIVERY OF
GET BY IN THE DELIVERY OF UNITED STATES FOREIGN POLICY
UNITED STATES FOREIGN POLICY ABSENT GORDON SONDLAND.
ABSENT GORDON SONDLAND. HE WAS VIEWED AS AN
HE WAS VIEWED AS AN INTER-METTLER AND HEARD PEOPLE
INTER-METTLER AND HEARD PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE GORDON PROBLEM
TALK ABOUT THE GORDON PROBLEM WOULD EMERGE AS HE WAS OUTSIDE
WOULD EMERGE AS HE WAS OUTSIDE THE NORMAL WORK OF AN E.U.
THE NORMAL WORK OF AN E.U. AMBASSADOR.
AMBASSADOR. THE PRESIDENT HAS THE AUTHORITY
THE PRESIDENT HAS THE AUTHORITY TO REMOVE THESE FOLKS IF HE
TO REMOVE THESE FOLKS IF HE CHOOSES TO.
CHOOSES TO. >> THE REASON THEY SAID THAT,
>> THE REASON THEY SAID THAT, CONGRESSMAN, THEY WERE SURPRISED
CONGRESSMAN, THEY WERE SURPRISED HE WAS WORKING ON YOUR CRANE
HE WAS WORKING ON YOUR CRANE POLICY BECAUSE HE WAS THE
POLICY BECAUSE HE WAS THE AMBASSADOR TO THE E.U.
AMBASSADOR TO THE E.U. THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ASSIGNED TO
THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ASSIGNED TO THE UKRAINE ISSUE WANTED TO KNOW
THE UKRAINE ISSUE WANTED TO KNOW WHY GORDON SONDLAND WAS INVOLVED
WHY GORDON SONDLAND WAS INVOLVED IN IT AT ALL AND IT TURNED OUT,
IN IT AT ALL AND IT TURNED OUT, YOU KNOW, HE WAS WORKING WITH
YOU KNOW, HE WAS WORKING WITH RICK PERRY AND RUDY GIULIANI.
RICK PERRY AND RUDY GIULIANI. THAT’S WHY -- ISN’T THAT WHY
THAT’S WHY -- ISN’T THAT WHY THEY REFERRED TO AS THE GORDON
THEY REFERRED TO AS THE GORDON PROBLEM?
PROBLEM? >> WELL, RIGHT.
>> WELL, RIGHT. THERE WAS CONTINUED LACK OF
THERE WAS CONTINUED LACK OF CONFIDENCE IN HIS DIPLOMATIC
CONFIDENCE IN HIS DIPLOMATIC WORK THROUGHOUT THE DEPOSITIONS
WORK THROUGHOUT THE DEPOSITIONS AND HEARINGS.
AND HEARINGS. WHETHER THAT MEANT EXCEEDING THE
WHETHER THAT MEANT EXCEEDING THE SCOPE OF HIS AUTHORITY OR
SCOPE OF HIS AUTHORITY OR WHETHER IT MEANT JUST SORT OF
WHETHER IT MEANT JUST SORT OF THE BUNDLING OF ASSIGNMENTS, I
THE BUNDLING OF ASSIGNMENTS, I DO NOT THINK HE CAME OUT OF THE
DO NOT THINK HE CAME OUT OF THE IMPEACHMENT LOOKING LIKE SOME
IMPEACHMENT LOOKING LIKE SOME GREAT DIPLOMAT.
GREAT DIPLOMAT. I DO NOT THINK IT’S A SURPRISE
I DO NOT THINK IT’S A SURPRISE TO SEE THE PRESIDENT CHOOSE TO
TO SEE THE PRESIDENT CHOOSE TO MAKE A CHANGE THERE.
MAKE A CHANGE THERE. ALSO LIEUTENANT COLONEL
ALSO LIEUTENANT COLONEL LIEUTENANT COLONEL BENJAMIN.
LIEUTENANT COLONEL BENJAMIN. >> LIEUTENANT COLONEL VINDMAN’S
>> LIEUTENANT COLONEL VINDMAN’S LAWYER SAID THAT HE SADDENED NOT
LAWYER SAID THAT HE SADDENED NOT TO BE ABLE TO SERVE THE COUNTRY
TO BE ABLE TO SERVE THE COUNTRY ANYMORE.
ANYMORE. HERE’S A QUICK SOUND BITE TO
HERE’S A QUICK SOUND BITE TO REMIND EVERYBODY.
REMIND EVERYBODY. >> IT’S IMPROPER FOR THE
>> IT’S IMPROPER FOR THE PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES TO
PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES TO DEMAND A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO
DEMAND A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO INVESTIGATE A U.S. CITIZEN AND
INVESTIGATE A U.S. CITIZEN AND OPPONENTS.
OPPONENTS. THERE WAS PROBABLY AN ELEMENT OF
THERE WAS PROBABLY AN ELEMENT OF SHOCK, MAY BE IN CERTAIN
SHOCK, MAY BE IN CERTAIN REGARDS.
REGARDS. MY WORST FEAR OF HOW THE UKRAINE
MY WORST FEAR OF HOW THE UKRAINE POLICY COULD PLAY OUT.
POLICY COULD PLAY OUT. >> Martha: AND A LOT OF PEOPLE
>> Martha: AND A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOKED AT THAT.
LOOKED AT THAT. PEOPLE TOOK A DIFFERENT WAYS.
PEOPLE TOOK A DIFFERENT WAYS. THEY HAD SOME PRETTY DEEP POLICY
THEY HAD SOME PRETTY DEEP POLICY DIFFERENCES IN TERMS OF THE WAY
DIFFERENCES IN TERMS OF THE WAY THAT THINGS SHOULD BE CARRIED
THAT THINGS SHOULD BE CARRIED OUT WITH UKRAINE AND ALTHOUGH HE
OUT WITH UKRAINE AND ALTHOUGH HE EXPRESSED STATUS AT BEING PUSHED
EXPRESSED STATUS AT BEING PUSHED OUT OF THE POSITION TONIGHT, YOU
OUT OF THE POSITION TONIGHT, YOU WONDER WHY HE WOULD WORK FOR THE
WONDER WHY HE WOULD WORK FOR THE PRESIDENT IF HE HAS SUCH DEEP
PRESIDENT IF HE HAS SUCH DEEP DISAGREEMENTS WITH HIM.
DISAGREEMENTS WITH HIM. HE THOUGHT THE WAY HIS HANDLING
HE THOUGHT THE WAY HIS HANDLING WAS WRONG.
WAS WRONG. >> MANY ERUPTIONS THAT GAVE RISE
>> MANY ERUPTIONS THAT GAVE RISE TO THE IMPEACHMENT WERE ROOTED
TO THE IMPEACHMENT WERE ROOTED IN POLICY DISAGREEMENT.
IN POLICY DISAGREEMENT. DIFFERENT APPROACH FROM A
DIFFERENT APPROACH FROM A DIFFERENT STYLE, AT TIMES A
DIFFERENT STYLE, AT TIMES A DIFFERENT OUTCOME FOR VARIOUS
DIFFERENT OUTCOME FOR VARIOUS ELEMENTS OF THE UKRAINE POLICY.
ELEMENTS OF THE UKRAINE POLICY. I CAN’T IMAGINE THAT WE WOULD
I CAN’T IMAGINE THAT WE WOULD OUTSIDE THE WORLD OF IMPEACHMENT
OUTSIDE THE WORLD OF IMPEACHMENT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY,
HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY, I THINK OF MENTEES AT THOSE
I THINK OF MENTEES AT THOSE DIVISIONS MORE THAN IN THIS
DIVISIONS MORE THAN IN THIS IMPEACHMENT.
IMPEACHMENT. IN THIS WORLD, I THINK WE WERE
IN THIS WORLD, I THINK WE WERE ABLE TO SEE DISAGREEMENTS,
ABLE TO SEE DISAGREEMENTS, PERHAPS SOME DISCORD BETWEEN
PERHAPS SOME DISCORD BETWEEN LIEUTENANT COLONEL ADMIN AND
LIEUTENANT COLONEL ADMIN AND OTHERS AT THE NSC WHO HELD A
OTHERS AT THE NSC WHO HELD A DIFFERENT VIEW AND NOW WE ARE
DIFFERENT VIEW AND NOW WE ARE MOVING FORWARD.
MOVING FORWARD. THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES
THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES THERE.
THERE. VERY WELL MAY BE THE CHASE DOWN
VERY WELL MAY BE THE CHASE DOWN A CHANCE THAT VINDMAN WOULD BE
A CHANCE THAT VINDMAN WOULD BE OUT BEFORE IMPEACHMENT BUT
OUT BEFORE IMPEACHMENT BUT DURING IMPEACHMENT YOU DON’T
DURING IMPEACHMENT YOU DON’T WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE TO MAKE A
WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE TO MAKE A LIVING RETRIBUTION AND WITH A
LIVING RETRIBUTION AND WITH A LOT OF CHANGES AT THE NSC, IT’S
LOT OF CHANGES AT THE NSC, IT’S A LOT OF A BETTER CREW.
A LOT OF A BETTER CREW. >> Martha: THE NEW HEAD OF THE
>> Martha: THE NEW HEAD OF THE NSC, THE NATIONAL SECURITY
NSC, THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR TO THE PRESIDENT, SAID
ADVISOR TO THE PRESIDENT, SAID DAYS AGO THAT HE WANTED TO THIN
DAYS AGO THAT HE WANTED TO THIN THE RANKS OF THE NSC
THE RANKS OF THE NSC DRAMATICALLY AND THERE IS LONG
DRAMATICALLY AND THERE IS LONG BEEN A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR
BEEN A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT EVERYBODY WHO WAS THERE,
NOT EVERYBODY WHO WAS THERE, SOME OF THE HOLDOVERS WERE
SOME OF THE HOLDOVERS WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THE POLICY OF THE
SUPPORTIVE OF THE POLICY OF THE WHITE HOUSE, CORRECT?
WHITE HOUSE, CORRECT? >> THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF
>> THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT THE NSC MAY HAVE
CONCERNS THAT THE NSC MAY HAVE EMANATED OTHER LEAKS.
EMANATED OTHER LEAKS. OBVIOUSLY NEVER SOMETHING YOU
OBVIOUSLY NEVER SOMETHING YOU ARE ALWAYS ABLE TO TRACK DOWN
ARE ALWAYS ABLE TO TRACK DOWN AND FULLY PROVEN EVIDENCE, BUT I
AND FULLY PROVEN EVIDENCE, BUT I THINK YOU WANT A PRESIDENT, AND
THINK YOU WANT A PRESIDENT, AND NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR TO
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR TO HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN THE NSC
HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN THE NSC IF FRESHENING UP THAT TEAM GOING
IF FRESHENING UP THAT TEAM GOING INTO THE NEW POST IMPEACHMENT
INTO THE NEW POST IMPEACHMENT ERA IS HELPFUL TO THE COUNTRY,
ERA IS HELPFUL TO THE COUNTRY, I’M ALL FOR IT.
I’M ALL FOR IT. THE DELIVERY OF U.S. FOREIGN
THE DELIVERY OF U.S. FOREIGN POLICY IS GOING PRETTY WELL.
POLICY IS GOING PRETTY WELL. I’M SO PROUD OF THE PRESIDENT
I’M SO PROUD OF THE PRESIDENT TAKING OUT THE AL QAEDA LEADER
TAKING OUT THE AL QAEDA LEADER IN YEMEN.
IN YEMEN. THAT GROUP CLAIM THIS FOR
THAT GROUP CLAIM THIS FOR KILLING MIKE INTO