座談会。ビル・クリントンはモニカ・ルウィンスキーの質問に「防衛的」だった｜Megyn Kelly TODAY (Roundtable: Bill Clinton Was ‘Defensive’ About Monica Lewinsky Questions

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>>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. HAPPY MONDAY.
HAPPY MONDAY. WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
IM MEGYN KELLY. EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND?
EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND? WAS YOUR WEEKEND BUSY?
WAS YOUR WEEKEND BUSY? FORMER PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON
FORMER PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON HAD A BUSY ONE.
HAD A BUSY ONE.
HES PROMOTING A NEW BOOK THAT
HES PROMOTING A NEW BOOK THAT
HES CO-WRITTEN WITH AUTHOR
HES CO-WRITTEN WITH AUTHOR
JAMES PATTERSON.
JAMES PATTERSON.
ITS A THRILLER FEATURING A
ITS A THRILLER FEATURING A
FICTIONAL PRESIDENT WHO
FICTIONAL PRESIDENT WHO
OVERCOMES TREMENDOUS OPTIONBSTAC
OVERCOMES TREMENDOUS OPTIONBSTAC
INCLUDEING AN IMPEACHMENT.
INCLUDEING AN IMPEACHMENT.
WHILE DISCUSSING THE BOOK, THE
WHILE DISCUSSING THE BOOK, THE
PRESIDENT HAS BEEN ASKED
PRESIDENT HAS BEEN ASKED
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE #METOO MOVEMENT. ABOUT THE #METOO
MOVEMENT. ITS INTERESTING, HIM ANSWERING
ITS INTERESTING, HIM ANSWERING
QUESTIONS IN TODAYS CLIMATE, AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS ABOUT
AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS TIME IN OFFICE, INCLUDING
HIS TIME IN OFFICE, INCLUDING HIS AFFAIR WITH MONICA LEWINSKY.
HIS AFFAIR WITH MONICA LEWINSKY. CRAIG MELVIN SAT DOWN WITH BILL
CRAIG MELVIN SAT DOWN WITH BILL CLINTON AND JAMES PATTERSON, IN
CLINTON AND JAMES PATTERSON, IN AN EXTRAORDINARY EXCHANGE,
AN EXTRAORDINARY EXCHANGE, THATS MAKING A LOT OF NEWS.
THATS MAKING A LOT OF NEWS. HERES SOME OF THE CONVERSATION,
HERES SOME OF THE CONVERSATION, WATCH.
WATCH. >> A FEW DAYS AGO IN RESPONSE TO
>> A FEW DAYS AGO IN RESPONSE TO CRITICS WHO SUGGESTED THAT YOU
CRITICS WHO SUGGESTED THAT YOU
SHOULD HAVE RESIGNED IN THE WAKE OF THE LEWINSKY SCANDAL.THE WAKE
OF THE LEWINSKY SCANDAL. AND YOU SAY YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE.
AND YOU SAY YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE. IF YOU WERE PRESIDENT NOW, IN
IF YOU WERE PRESIDENT NOW, IN
2018, WITH EVERYTHING THATS
2018, WITH EVERYTHING THATS
GOING ON WITH THE #METOO
GOING ON WITH THE #METOO
MOVEMENT, HOW WOULD YOU HAVE
MOVEMENT, HOW WOULD YOU HAVE
APPROACHED THE ACCUSATIONS
APPROACHED THE ACCUSATIONS
DIFFERENTLY?
DIFFERENTLY?
>> I DONT THINK IT WOULD BE AN
>> I DONT THINK IT WOULD BE AN
ISSUE BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD BE
ISSUE BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD BE
USING THE FACTS INSTEAD OF THE IMAGINED FACTS. INSTEAD OF THE
IMAGINED FACTS. IF THE FACTS WERE THE SAME
IF THE FACTS WERE THE SAME TODAY, I WOULDNT.
TODAY, I WOULDNT. >> Reporter: IN 1998, PRESIDENT
>> Reporter: IN 1998, PRESIDENT CLINTON SHOCKED THE WORLD.
CLINTON SHOCKED THE WORLD. FIRST DENYING THEN ADMITTING TO
FIRST DENYING THEN ADMITTING TO AN AFFAIR WITH THEN-INTERN
AN AFFAIR WITH THEN-INTERN MONICA LEWINSKY.
MONICA LEWINSKY. THE SCANDAL LAUNCHED A LENGTHY
THE SCANDAL LAUNCHED A LENGTHY INVESTIGATION, WITH CLINTON
INVESTIGATION, WITH CLINTON BECOMING THE SECOND PRESIDENT
BECOMING THE SECOND PRESIDENT EVER TO BE IMPEACHED.
EVER TO BE IMPEACHED. >> WE HAVE A RIGHT TO CHANGE THE
>> WE HAVE A RIGHT TO CHANGE THE RULES, YES.
RULES, YES.
YOU DONT HAVE A RIGHT TO CHANGE
YOU DONT HAVE A RIGHT TO CHANGE
THE FACTS.
THE FACTS.
>> Reporter: CLINTON SAYS
>> Reporter: CLINTON SAYS
CRITICS ARE POUNCING IN LIGHT OF THE #METOO MOVEMENT. IN LIGHT OF
THE #METOO MOVEMENT. BUT HE STANDS BY HIS DECISION TO
BUT HE STANDS BY HIS DECISION TO FIGHT IMPEACHMENT RATHER THAN
FIGHT IMPEACHMENT RATHER THAN RESIGN.
RESIGN.
>> A LOT OF THE FACTS HAVE BEEN
>> A LOT OF THE FACTS HAVE BEEN
CONVENIENTLY OMITTED TO MAKE THE
CONVENIENTLY OMITTED TO MAKE THE
STORY WORK.
STORY WORK.
I THINK PARTLY BECAUSE THEYRE FRUSTRATED THAT THEY GOT ALLE
FRUSTRATED THAT THEY GOT ALL THESE SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS
THESE SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE CURRENT OCCUPANT OF
AGAINST THE CURRENT OCCUPANT OF THE OVAL OFFICE AND HIS VOTERS
THE OVAL OFFICE AND HIS VOTERS DONT SEEM TO CARE.
DONT SEEM TO CARE. I DID THE RIGHT THING, DEFENDING
I DID THE RIGHT THING, DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION.
THE CONSTITUTION. >> Reporter: YOU THINK THIS
>> Reporter: YOU THINK THIS PRESIDENT HAS BEEN GIVEN A PASS
PRESIDENT HAS BEEN GIVEN A PASS OF THE WOMEN THAT HAVE COME
OF THE WOMEN THAT HAVE COME FORWARD AND ACCUSED HIM OF
FORWARD AND ACCUSED HIM OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT?
SEXUAL MISCONDUCT?
>> NO.
>> NO.
BUT IT HASNT GOTTEN THE COVERAGE YOU WOULD EXPECT.
COVERAGE YOU WOULD EXPECT. >> Reporter: PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS
>> Reporter: PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN ACCUSED BY NUMEROUS WOMEN
BEEN ACCUSED BY NUMEROUS WOMEN OF INAPPROPRIATE SEXUAL
OF INAPPROPRIATE SEXUAL BEHAVIOR, ALL OF WHICH HE DENYIE
BEHAVIOR, ALL OF WHICH HE DENYIE DENIES.
DENIES.
>> I LIKE THE #METOO MOVEMENT. IT DOESNT MEAN I AGREE WITHNT.
IT DOESNT MEAN I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING.
I STILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS
I STILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS
ABOUT SOME OF THE DECISIONS
ABOUT SOME OF THE DECISIONS
WHICH HAVE BEEN MADE.
WHICH HAVE BEEN MADE.
>> Reporter: THIS MARCH, MONICA
>> Reporter: THIS MARCH, MONICA
LEWINSKY PENNED AN OP-ED IN
LEWINSKY PENNED AN OP-ED IN
"VANITY FAIR," TAKING
"VANITY FAIR," TAKING
RESPONSIBILITY FOR HER PART IN
RESPONSIBILITY FOR HER PART IN
THE SCANDAL.
THE SCANDAL.
BUT ALSO ADMITTING THAT YOURS LATER, SHE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH
LATER, SHE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH PTSD FROM THE UNRELENTING PUBLIC
PTSD FROM THE UNRELENTING PUBLIC SCRUTINY.
SCRUTINY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS
#METOO ERA HAS DONE. ITS FORCED A LOT OF WOMEN TO
ITS FORCED A LOT OF WOMEN TO SPEAK OUT.
SPEAK OUT.
ONE OF THE WOMEN, MONICA LEWINSKY.E WOMEN, MONICA
LEWINSKY.
SHE WROTE AN OP-ED, THAT THE #METOO MOVEMENT CHANGED HER VIEW
#METOO MOVEMENT CHANGED HER VIEW OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT.
OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT. QUOTE, HE WAS MY BOSS, HE WAS
QUOTE, HE WAS MY BOSS, HE WAS THE MOST POWERFUL MAN ON THE
THE MOST POWERFUL MAN ON THE PLANET, HE WAS 27 YEARS MY
PLANET, HE WAS 27 YEARS MY SENIOR, AND ENOUGH LIFE TO KNOW
SENIOR, AND ENOUGH LIFE TO KNOW BETTER, HE WAS AT THE PINNACLE
BETTER, HE WAS AT THE PINNACLE OF HIS CAREER, WHILE I WAS AT MY
OF HIS CAREER, WHILE I WAS AT MY FIRST JOB OUT OF COLLEGE.
FIRST JOB OUT OF COLLEGE. THROUGH THE LENS OF #METOO NOW,
THROUGH THE LENS OF #METOO NOW, DO YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY OR FEEL
DO YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY OR FEEL MORE RESPONSIBILITY?
MORE RESPONSIBILITY? >> NO.
>> NO. I FELT TERRIBLE THEN.
I FELT TERRIBLE THEN. AND I CAME TO GRIPS WITH IT.
AND I CAME TO GRIPS WITH IT. >> DID YOU APOLOGIZE TO HER?
>> DID YOU APOLOGIZE TO HER? >> YES.
>> YES. AND NOBODY BELIEVES THAT I GOT
AND NOBODY BELIEVES THAT I GOT OUT OF THAT FOR FREE.
OUT OF THAT FOR FREE. I LEFT THE WHITE HOUSE $16
I LEFT THE WHITE HOUSE $16 MILLION IN DEBT.
MILLION IN DEBT. BUT YOU, TYPICALLY, HAVE IGNORED
BUT YOU, TYPICALLY, HAVE IGNORED GAPING FACTS IN THIS.
GAPING FACTS IN THIS. AND ILL BET YOU DIDNT KNOW
AND ILL BET YOU DIDNT KNOW THEM.
THEM.
THIS WAS LITIGATED 20 YEARS AGO.
THIS WAS LITIGATED 20 YEARS AGO.
TWO-THIRDS OF THE AMERICAN
TWO-THIRDS OF THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE SIDED WITH ME. THEY WERE NOT INCENSESENSITIVE T
THEY WERE NOT INCENSESENSITIVE T THAT.
THAT.
I HAD A SEXUAL HARASSMENT POLICY WHEN I WAS GOVERNOR IN THE 80s.Y
WHEN I WAS GOVERNOR IN THE 80s. TWO WOMEN CHIEF OF STAFF WHEN I
TWO WOMEN CHIEF OF STAFF WHEN I WAS GOVERNOR.
WAS GOVERNOR. WOMEN WERE OVERREPRESENTED IN
WOMEN WERE OVERREPRESENTED IN THE ATTORNEYS OFFICE IN THE
THE ATTORNEYS OFFICE IN THE 70s.
70s.
I HAD NOTHING BUT WOMEN LEADERS
I HAD NOTHING BUT WOMEN LEADERS
IN MY OFFICE SINCE I LEFT.
IN MY OFFICE SINCE I LEFT.
YOU ARE GIVING ONE SIDE AND OMITTING FACTS.ONE SIDE AND
OMITTING FACTS. >> Reporter: MR. PRESIDENT, IM
>> Reporter: MR. PRESIDENT, IM NOT TRYING TO PRESENT A SIDE.
NOT TRYING TO PRESENT A SIDE. >> YOU ASKED ME IF I AGREE, AND
>> YOU ASKED ME IF I AGREE, AND I SAID, NO, I DONT.
I SAID, NO, I DONT. >> Reporter: I ASKED IF YOU
>> Reporter: I ASKED IF YOU APOLOGIZED AND YOU SAID YOU HAD.
APOLOGIZED AND YOU SAID YOU HAD. >> I HAVE.
>> I HAVE.
I APOLOGIZED TO EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD.OGIZED TO EVERYBODY IN THE
WORLD.
>> ITS IMPORTANT TO ME THAT
>> ITS IMPORTANT TO ME THAT
EVERYBODY WHO HAS BEEN HURT KNOW
EVERYBODY WHO HAS BEEN HURT KNOW
THAT THE SORROW I FEEL IS
THAT THE SORROW I FEEL IS
GENUINE.
GENUINE.
FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT, MY
FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT, MY
FAMILY, MONICA LEWINSKY AND HER FAMILY. MONICA LEWINSKY AND HER
FAMILY.
>> Reporter: YOU DIDNT APOLOGIZE TO HER.DIDNT
APOLOGIZE TO HER. >> I HAVE NOT TALKED TO HER.
>> I HAVE NOT TALKED TO HER. >> Reporter: DO YOU FEEL LIKE
>> Reporter: DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU OWE HER AN APOLOGY?
YOU OWE HER AN APOLOGY? >> NO.
>> NO. I DO NOT -- I HAVE NEVER TALKED
I DO NOT -- I HAVE NEVER TALKED TO HER.
TO HER.
BUT I DID SAY PUBLICLY, ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION, THAT I WASRE
THAN ONE OCCASION, THAT I WAS SORRY.
SORRY.
THATS VERY DIFFERENT.
THATS VERY DIFFERENT.
THE APOLOGY WAS PUBLIC. >> Reporter: AND YOU DONT THINK
>> Reporter: AND YOU DONT THINK A PRIVATE APOLOGY IS OWED?
A PRIVATE APOLOGY IS OWED? >> I THINK THIS THING, ITS 20
>> I THINK THIS THING, ITS 20 YEARS AGO, COME ON.
YEARS AGO, COME ON. LETS TALK ABOUT JFK.
LETS TALK ABOUT JFK. LBJ.
LBJ.
STOP ALREADY.
STOP ALREADY.
>> I DONT THINK -- YOU THINK
>> I DONT THINK -- YOU THINK
PRESIDENT KENNEDY SHOULD RESIGN?
PRESIDENT KENNEDY SHOULD RESIGN?
DO YOU BELIEVE PRESIDENT JOHNSON
DO YOU BELIEVE PRESIDENT JOHNSON
SHOULD RESIGN? SOMEONE SHOULD ASK YOU THESE
SOMEONE SHOULD ASK YOU THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE OF THE WAY YOU
QUESTIONS BECAUSE OF THE WAY YOU FORMULATE THE QUESTIONS.
FORMULATE THE QUESTIONS. I DEALT WITH IT 20 YEARS AGO,
I DEALT WITH IT 20 YEARS AGO, PLUS, AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE,
PLUS, AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, TWO-THIRDS OF THEM, STAYED WITH
TWO-THIRDS OF THEM, STAYED WITH ME.
ME.
AND IVE TRIED TO DO A GOOD JOB SINCE THEN, WITH MY LIFE ANDOB
SINCE THEN, WITH MY LIFE AND WITH MY WORK.
WITH MY WORK. THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO YOU.
THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO YOU. >> WOW.
>> WOW. WOW.
WOW. JOINING US NOW TO TALK ABOUT THE
JOINING US NOW TO TALK ABOUT THE INTERVIEW IS AMY HOLMES, CO-HOST
INTERVIEW IS AMY HOLMES, CO-HOST OF PBSS "IN PRINCIPLE" AND
OF PBSS "IN PRINCIPLE" AND ZERLINA MAXWELL.
ZERLINA MAXWELL. GREAT TO HAVE YOU BOTH HERE.
GREAT TO HAVE YOU BOTH HERE. WHAT A DAY.
WHAT A DAY. HE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE LAST
HE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE LAST HALF OF THAT LAST ANSWER AND LET
HALF OF THAT LAST ANSWER AND LET THAT BE HIS WHOLE ANSWER.
THAT BE HIS WHOLE ANSWER. IVE TRIED TO DO GOOD IN MY LIFE
IVE TRIED TO DO GOOD IN MY LIFE SINCE THEN AND I WANT TO LEAVE
SINCE THEN AND I WANT TO LEAVE IT AT THAT.
IT AT THAT. EVERYTHING BEFORE THAT, IN MY
EVERYTHING BEFORE THAT, IN MY VIEW, WAS A MISTAKE AND HES
VIEW, WAS A MISTAKE AND HES ABOUT TO GET HAMMERED FOR IT.
ABOUT TO GET HAMMERED FOR IT. >> I THINK SO.
>> I THINK SO. DOESNT CRAIG MELVIN KNOW ITS
DOESNT CRAIG MELVIN KNOW ITS NOT NICE TO PICK ON OLD PEOPLE?
NOT NICE TO PICK ON OLD PEOPLE? I MEAN --
I MEAN --
>> THE VICTIMHOOD.
>> THE VICTIMHOOD.
NO ONE THINKS I GOT OUT OF THAT
NO ONE THINKS I GOT OUT OF THAT
FOR FREE.
FOR FREE.
I WAS $16 MILLION IN DEBT.
I WAS $16 MILLION IN DEBT.
BECAUSE YOU HAD TO DEFEND YOUR OWN BAD BEHAVIOR, YOUR OWN LYING
OWN BAD BEHAVIOR, YOUR OWN LYING UNDER OATH.
UNDER OATH.
THATS WHEYY HE WAS IMPEACHED. HE LIED UNDER OATH ABOUT THE.
HE LIED UNDER OATH ABOUT THE AFFAIR.
AFFAIR.
THAT WAS NOT RELATE TO JFK OR
THAT WAS NOT RELATE TO JFK OR
LBJ.
LBJ.
YES, THEY CHEATED ON THEIR WIVES, ACCORDING TO WHAT WE
WIVES, ACCORDING TO WHAT WE READ.
READ.
BUT BILL CLINTON GOT IMPEACHED FOR LYING UNDER OATH, WHICH IS A
FOR LYING UNDER OATH, WHICH IS A FELONY.
FELONY.
>> AND I WOULD POINT OUT IN THE 90s, WE KNEW THAT CRUISING THEE
90s, WE KNEW THAT CRUISING THE INTERN POOL WAS WRONG.
INTERN POOL WAS WRONG. AND HE SIGNED INTO LAW, IN 1996,
AND HE SIGNED INTO LAW, IN 1996, A SEXUAL HARASSMENT POLICY,
A SEXUAL HARASSMENT POLICY, MAKING THIS ILLEGAL.
MAKING THIS ILLEGAL. THAT YOU COULDNT USE THIS POWER
THAT YOU COULDNT USE THIS POWER DYNAMIC.
DYNAMIC.
HE KNEW ABOUT SEXUAL HARASSMENT LAW, JUST CHOSE TO IGNORE IT.NT
LAW, JUST CHOSE TO IGNORE IT. >> I WORKED FOR HILLARY CLINTON
>> I WORKED FOR HILLARY CLINTON AND A FORMER STAFFER, I WISH I
AND A FORMER STAFFER, I WISH I HAD PREPPED HIM FOR THIS
HAD PREPPED HIM FOR THIS PARTICULAR INTERVIEW.
PARTICULAR INTERVIEW. I KNOW HIS STAFF -- IM CLOSE
I KNOW HIS STAFF -- IM CLOSE WITH MEMBERS OF HIS STAFF.
WITH MEMBERS OF HIS STAFF. THEY HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS.
THEY HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS. BUT I THIS I HIS DEFENSIVENESS
BUT I THIS I HIS DEFENSIVENESS IN THIS PARTICULAR INTERVIEW
IN THIS PARTICULAR INTERVIEW CAME THROUGH IN A MOMENT WHEN
CAME THROUGH IN A MOMENT WHEN ITS REALLY NOT HELPFUL, RIGHT?
ITS REALLY NOT HELPFUL, RIGHT? I THINK HES CORRECT, THAT TIMES
I THINK HES CORRECT, THAT TIMES HAVE CHANGED.
HAVE CHANGED. WE UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE IN A
WE UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY THAN WE
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY THAN WE DID IN THE 1990s AND CERTAINLY
DID IN THE 1990s AND CERTAINLY THIS IS A RELEVANT ISSUE BECAUSE
THIS IS A RELEVANT ISSUE BECAUSE OF WHO IS THE CURRENT OCCUPANT
OF WHO IS THE CURRENT OCCUPANT OF THE WHITE HOUSE VERSUS BILL
OF THE WHITE HOUSE VERSUS BILL CLINTON BEING THE OCCUPANT IN
CLINTON BEING THE OCCUPANT IN THE 90s WHEN I WAS IN JUNIOR
THE 90s WHEN I WAS IN JUNIOR HIGH.
HIGH.
BUT I THINK HE APPROACHED THIS INTERVIEW IN A DEFENSIVED THIS
INTERVIEW IN A DEFENSIVE POSTURE, WHEREAS --
POSTURE, WHEREAS -- >> HE KNEW IT WAS WRONG WHEN HE
>> HE KNEW IT WAS WRONG WHEN HE DID IT IN THE 90s.
DID IT IN THE 90s. >> YOU ARE RIGHT TO SAY, THE
>> YOU ARE RIGHT TO SAY, THE LAST PIECE OF HIS ANSWER WHEN HE
LAST PIECE OF HIS ANSWER WHEN HE SHOWED CONTRITION, WAS THE BEST
SHOWED CONTRITION, WAS THE BEST PART OF THAT INTERVIEW.
PART OF THAT INTERVIEW. >> I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DONT
>> I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DONT WANT TO LOATHE BILL CLINTON.
WANT TO LOATHE BILL CLINTON. BUT HE SPENT THE FIRST HALF OF
BUT HE SPENT THE FIRST HALF OF THAT INTERVIEW, TRYING TO MAKE
THAT INTERVIEW, TRYING TO MAKE THEM.
THEM.
POOR ME.
POOR ME.
I WAS IN DEBT.
I WAS IN DEBT.
I DONT OWE HER AN APOLOGY.
I DONT OWE HER AN APOLOGY.
WHAT ABOUT TRUMP?
WHAT ABOUT TRUMP?
TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.
TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.
LETS NOT FORGET, IT WASNT JUST MONICA LEWINSKY. IT WASNT JUST
MONICA LEWINSKY.
HE WAS ACCUSED OF RAPE BY JUANITA BROADERICK, WHO HAD TWO
JUANITA BROADERICK, WHO HAD TWO WITNESSES WHO CLAIMED TO SEE HER
WITNESSES WHO CLAIMED TO SEE HER MOMENTS AFTER IT HAPPENED AND
MOMENTS AFTER IT HAPPENED AND TESTIFIED TO HER.
TESTIFIED TO HER. KATHLEEN WILLEY, HARASSED IN HIS
KATHLEEN WILLEY, HARASSED IN HIS OFFICE.
OFFICE.
AND PAULA JONES, TO WHOM HE PAID $850,000, THAT ALLEGED HEHE PAID
$850,000, THAT ALLEGED HE
EXPOSED HYMN IN AN INTERVIEW. >> HE WASNT STRAIGHTFORWARD IN
>> HE WASNT STRAIGHTFORWARD IN HIS CONTRITION.
HIS CONTRITION. HE SAID HE APOLOGIZED TO HER.
HE SAID HE APOLOGIZED TO HER. WELL, I HAVENT SPOKEN TO HER.
WELL, I HAVENT SPOKEN TO HER. HE DIDNT APOLOGIZE TO HER
HE DIDNT APOLOGIZE TO HER PERSONALLY.
PERSONALLY. SO, IF SOMEONE, LIKE, HAS A BAD
SO, IF SOMEONE, LIKE, HAS A BAD RELATIONSHIP WITH ME AND TREATS
RELATIONSHIP WITH ME AND TREATS ME BADLY, THEY DONT GET TO POST
ME BADLY, THEY DONT GET TO POST A GENERAL APOLOGY ON FACEBOOK.
A GENERAL APOLOGY ON FACEBOOK. >> TO EVERYONE IN THE WORLD.
>> TO EVERYONE IN THE WORLD. >> THAT DOESNT CUT IT.
>> THAT DOESNT CUT IT. AND I THINK PRESIDENT CLINTON
AND I THINK PRESIDENT CLINTON KNEW THAT.
KNEW THAT.
AND THATS, AGAIN, WHY HE WAS
AND THATS, AGAIN, WHY HE WAS
DEFLECTING, SLIDING ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND FINALLY CRAIG MELVINE
PLACE, AND FINALLY CRAIG MELVIN PRESSING HIM.
PRESSING HIM.
>> HE IS TRYING TO MAKE CRAIG
>> HE IS TRYING TO MAKE CRAIG
MELVIN LOOK LIKE THE BAD GUY.
MELVIN LOOK LIKE THE BAD GUY.
HE IS A FAIR, HONEST, GREAT REPORTER.AIR, HONEST, GREAT
REPORTER.
OVER AND OVER, YOU DONT HAVE A LOT OFND OVER, YOU DONT HAVE A
LOT OF RIGHT TO CHANGE THE FACTS.
RIGHT TO CHANGE THE FACTS. YOU ARE OMITTING FACTS.
YOU ARE OMITTING FACTS. WHAT FACTS?
WHAT FACTS? >> IM GOING TO SPECULATE ON
>> IM GOING TO SPECULATE ON WHAT HE MAY HAVE MEANT IN THAT
WHAT HE MAY HAVE MEANT IN THAT CONTEXT.
CONTEXT.
WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, IT WAS A CONSENSUAL RELATIONSHIP
WAS A CONSENSUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UNHEALTHY AND
WITH THE UNHEALTHY AND PROBLEMATIC POWER DYNAMIC, WHICH
PROBLEMATIC POWER DYNAMIC, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT THING THAN SEXUAL
IS A DIFFERENT THING THAN SEXUAL ASSAULT.
ASSAULT.
>> HE WAS ASKING HIM ABOUT -- HE
>> HE WAS ASKING HIM ABOUT -- HE
STARTED WITH THE LEWINSKY QUOTE, WHICH WE ALL KNOW THAT WAS A CON
WHICH WE ALL KNOW THAT WAS A CON CONSENSUAL AFFAIR.
CONSENSUAL AFFAIR. BUT EVEN SHE IS STARTING TO
BUT EVEN SHE IS STARTING TO RETHINK HOW CONSENSUAL IT WAS,
RETHINK HOW CONSENSUAL IT WAS, GIVEN THE FACT HE WAS 27 YEARS
GIVEN THE FACT HE WAS 27 YEARS OLD, HE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE
OLD, HE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND SHE WAS FRESH
UNITED STATES AND SHE WAS FRESH OUT OF COLLEGE AS AN INTERN.
OUT OF COLLEGE AS AN INTERN.
IT COULDNT HAVE BEEN MORE
IT COULDNT HAVE BEEN MORE
SEVERE, THE POWER.
SEVERE, THE POWER.
>> AT THE TIME, FEMINISTS POINTED OUT THAT DYNAMIC.
POINTED OUT THAT DYNAMIC. >> NOT GLORYIA STEINEM.
>> NOT GLORYIA STEINEM. SHE BACKED BILL CLINTON ALL
SHE BACKED BILL CLINTON ALL ALONG.
ALONG.
>> THE FEMINISTS CRITICIZED THE PRESIDENT AT THE TILEME.ZED THE
PRESIDENT AT THE TILEME. THE CURRENT OCCUPANT OF THE
THE CURRENT OCCUPANT OF THE WHITE HOUSE HAS BEEN THE
WHITE HOUSE HAS BEEN THE CATALYST FOR US RE-EXAMINING HOW
CATALYST FOR US RE-EXAMINING HOW WE THINK ABOUT THESE ISSUES.
WE THINK ABOUT THESE ISSUES. >> SOME OF US.
>> SOME OF US. SOME OF US KNEW IT WAS WRONG IN
SOME OF US KNEW IT WAS WRONG IN THE 90s.
THE 90s. >> AS A CULTURE, WE WERE
>> AS A CULTURE, WE WERE ACCOMMODATEING TO ABUSERS AND NO
ACCOMMODATEING TO ABUSERS AND NO WE DONT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES.
WE DONT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES. >> WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIM THAT
>> WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIM THAT TRUMP HASNT GOTTEN THE COVERAGE
TRUMP HASNT GOTTEN THE COVERAGE YOU WOULD EXPECT.
YOU WOULD EXPECT. MY REACTION IS, YES, HE HAS.
MY REACTION IS, YES, HE HAS. >> I SEEM TO RECALL A CERTAIN
>> I SEEM TO RECALL A CERTAIN ANCHOR HOST ASKING HIM POINTED
ANCHOR HOST ASKING HIM POINTED QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS.
>> YEAH, THAT, TOO. >> MY FEELING IS --
>> MY FEELING IS -- HE GOT A TON OF COVERAGE, RIGHT?
HE GOT A TON OF COVERAGE, RIGHT? TRUMPS SUPPORTERS DIDNT CARE.
TRUMPS SUPPORTERS DIDNT CARE. ITS NOT THAT THE MEDIA DOESNT
ITS NOT THAT THE MEDIA DOESNT COVER TRUMPS -- THERES SO
COVER TRUMPS -- THERES SO MANY, RIGHT?
MANY, RIGHT? MAYBE YOU CANT DO FULL -- YOU
MAYBE YOU CANT DO FULL -- YOU CANT GO FULL-TIME ON TRUMPS
CANT GO FULL-TIME ON TRUMPS SEXUAL HARASSMENT SCANDALS
SEXUAL HARASSMENT SCANDALS BECAUSE THERES SO MUCH TO
BECAUSE THERES SO MUCH TO DISCUSS, HES GOTTEN COVERAGE,
DISCUSS, HES GOTTEN COVERAGE, AND THE SUPPORTERS DIDNT CARE.
AND THE SUPPORTERS DIDNT CARE. >> THE MEDIA PACKAGED IT
>> THE MEDIA PACKAGED IT TOGETHER AS THESE ARE THE WOMEN
TOGETHER AS THESE ARE THE WOMEN ACCUSING THE PRESIDENT AND HES
ACCUSING THE PRESIDENT AND HES DENIED IT, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE
DENIED IT, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE SCANDAL THAT WE WANT TO TALK
SCANDAL THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
ABOUT.
IN TERMS OF TRYING TO LOOK LIKE WERE BALANCED IN THE COVERAGE,E
WERE BALANCED IN THE COVERAGE, WE COVERED THOSE TWO STORIES
WE COVERED THOSE TWO STORIES EQUALLY, WHEN 19 WOMEN ACCUSING
EQUALLY, WHEN 19 WOMEN ACCUSING SOMEONE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF
SOMEONE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND ASSAULT
SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND ASSAULT TRUMPS E-MAILS EVERY TIME.
TRUMPS E-MAILS EVERY TIME. >> I SAID THIS BACK DURING THE
>> I SAID THIS BACK DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE, BACK IN 2016,
PRESIDENTIAL RACE, BACK IN 2016, WE WERE FACED, AS WOMEN, AS
WE WERE FACED, AS WOMEN, AS VOTERS, ALL OF US, WE WERE FACED
VOTERS, ALL OF US, WE WERE FACED WITH THE CHOICE BETWEEN ONE MAN,
WITH THE CHOICE BETWEEN ONE MAN, WHO BRAGGED ABOUT GRABBING WOMEN
WHO BRAGGED ABOUT GRABBING WOMEN BY THE YOU KNOW WHAT, AND OVER A
BY THE YOU KNOW WHAT, AND OVER A DOZEN WOMEN OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT
DOZEN WOMEN OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT OF ASSAULT.
OF ASSAULT. AND ONE WOMAN WHO WAS MARRIED TO
AND ONE WOMAN WHO WAS MARRIED TO A MAN ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ASSAULT
A MAN ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND RAPE.
AND RAPE.
>> I NEVER WANT TO LIVE IN A
>> I NEVER WANT TO LIVE IN A
WORLD --
WORLD --
>> I DONT WANT TO PUT AN
>> I DONT WANT TO PUT AN
ALLEGED RAPIST IN THE WHITE
ALLEGED RAPIST IN THE WHITE
HOUSE.
HOUSE.
>> I NEVER WANT THE WOMAN IN
>> I NEVER WANT THE WOMAN IN
THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION TO BE BLAMED FOR SOMETHING SOMEONE BE
BLAMED FOR SOMETHING SOMEONE ELSE DID.
ELSE DID. >> SHE WAS BLAMED INDIVIDUALLY.
>> SHE WAS BLAMED INDIVIDUALLY. JUANITA BROADERICK MADE CLEAR
JUANITA BROADERICK MADE CLEAR THAT HILLARY CLINTON CAME UP TO
THAT HILLARY CLINTON CAME UP TO HER AND SAID TO HER, THANK YOU
HER AND SAID TO HER, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUVE DONE FOR MY
FOR ALL YOUVE DONE FOR MY
HUSBAND.
HUSBAND.
SHE ORIGINALLY TESTIFIED THAT IT DIDNT HAPPEN.Y TESTIFIED THAT IT
DIDNT HAPPEN.
AND SHE SAID, THANK YOU FOR ALL
AND SHE SAID, THANK YOU FOR ALL
YOUVE DONE FOR MY HUSBAND.
YOUVE DONE FOR MY HUSBAND.
AND HELD HER HAND LONGER AND SAID, FOR ALL YOUVE DONE.AND
SAID, FOR ALL YOUVE DONE. >> ALLEGEDLY.
>> ALLEGEDLY. >> IN TERM OFFICIALS THE
>> IN TERM OFFICIALS THE COVERAGE, IT WAS PROBLEMATIC
COVERAGE, IT WAS PROBLEMATIC WHEN YOU HAD A DEMOCRATIC SIDE
WHEN YOU HAD A DEMOCRATIC SIDE OF THE TICKET, THAT SHOULDNT BE
OF THE TICKET, THAT SHOULDNT BE BLAMED FOR HER HUSBANDS BAD
BLAMED FOR HER HUSBANDS BAD BEHAVIOR.
BEHAVIOR.
BUT DURING THE TIME, NOT ONLY
BUT DURING THE TIME, NOT ONLY
ENABLED IT. SHE WAS ON THE TEAM TO SMEAR AND
SHE WAS ON THE TEAM TO SMEAR AND DEFAME THE WOMEN THAT BILL
DEFAME THE WOMEN THAT BILL CLINTON HAD SEXUALLY HARASSED.
CLINTON HAD SEXUALLY HARASSED. IF YOU REMEMBER, THEY WERE
IF YOU REMEMBER, THEY WERE TRYING TO PUT OUT THE STORY THAT
TRYING TO PUT OUT THE STORY THAT MONICA LEWINSKY WAS A DELUSIONAL
MONICA LEWINSKY WAS A DELUSIONAL STALKER AND HAD MADE IT ALL UP.
STALKER AND HAD MADE IT ALL UP. AND HILLARY CLINTON WAS A PART
AND HILLARY CLINTON WAS A PART OF THAT STRATEGY.

座談会。ビル・クリントンはモニカ・ルウィンスキーの質問に「防衛的」だった｜Megyn Kelly TODAY (Roundtable: Bill Clinton Was ‘Defensive’ About Monica Lewinsky Questions | Megyn Kelly TODAY)