ChoiceHotels.com. >>> WE WENT OUT.

>>> WE WENT OUT. WE’RE DOING EVERYTHING IN OUR

WE’RE DOING EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO KEEP THE SICK AND

POWER TO KEEP THE SICK AND INFECTED PEOPLE FROM COMING INTO

INFECTED PEOPLE FROM COMING INTO OUR COUNTRY.

OUR COUNTRY. WE’RE WORKING ON THAT VERY HARD.

WE’RE WORKING ON THAT VERY HARD. >> TRUMP ON THE CORONAVIRUS

>> TRUMP ON THE CORONAVIRUS TONIGHT AS WE’RE GETTING AN

TONIGHT AS WE’RE GETTING AN INSIDE LOOK FROM "THE WASHINGTON

INSIDE LOOK FROM "THE WASHINGTON POST" OF HIS ADMINISTRATION’S

POST" OF HIS ADMINISTRATION’S RESPONSE TO THE VIRUS THUS FAR.

RESPONSE TO THE VIRUS THUS FAR. AND THIS GETS YOUR ATTENTION.

AND THIS GETS YOUR ATTENTION. QUOTE, INTERVIEWS WITH NEARLY

QUOTE, INTERVIEWS WITH NEARLY TWO DOZEN ADMINISTRATION

TWO DOZEN ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS, FORMER WHITE HOUSE

OFFICIALS, FORMER WHITE HOUSE AIDES, PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERTS,

AIDES, PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERTS, AND LAWMAKERS -- MANY SPEAKING

AND LAWMAKERS -- MANY SPEAKING ON THE CONDITION OF ANONYMITY,

ON THE CONDITION OF ANONYMITY, PORTRAY A WHITE HOUSE SCRAMBLING

PORTRAY A WHITE HOUSE SCRAMBLING TO GAIN CONTROL OF A RUDDERLESS

TO GAIN CONTROL OF A RUDDERLESS RESPONSE DEFINED BY BUREAUCRATIC

RESPONSE DEFINED BY BUREAUCRATIC INFIGHTING, CONFUSION, AND

INFIGHTING, CONFUSION, AND MISINFORMATION.

MISINFORMATION. IT’S COMPLETE CHAOS, A SENIOR

IT’S COMPLETE CHAOS, A SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL SAID.

ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL SAID. EVERYONE IS JUST TRYING TO GET A

EVERYONE IS JUST TRYING TO GET A HANDLE ON WHAT THE -- EXPLETIVE,

HANDLE ON WHAT THE -- EXPLETIVE, USE YOUR IMAGINATION -- IS GOING

USE YOUR IMAGINATION -- IS GOING ON.

ON. MEANWHILE, OFFICIALS IN GEORGIA

MEANWHILE, OFFICIALS IN GEORGIA HAVE JUST SINCE WE’VE BEEN ON

HAVE JUST SINCE WE’VE BEEN ON THE AIR ANNOUNCED TWO NEW CASES

THE AIR ANNOUNCED TWO NEW CASES OF CORONAVIRUS.

OF CORONAVIRUS. WITH US FOR MORE, DR. IRWIN

WITH US FOR MORE, DR. IRWIN REDLER, A PEDESTRIAN AT RICK

REDLER, A PEDESTRIAN AT RICK PHYSICIAN, CO-FOUNDER OF THE

PHYSICIAN, CO-FOUNDER OF THE CHILDREN’S HEALTH FUND, NOW A

CHILDREN’S HEALTH FUND, NOW A CLINICAL PROFESSOR WITH THE

CLINICAL PROFESSOR WITH THE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH AT

SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY.

COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY. AND THE DIRECTOR OF COLUMBIA’S

AND THE DIRECTOR OF COLUMBIA’S NATIONAL CENTER FOR DISASTER

NATIONAL CENTER FOR DISASTER PREPAREDNESS WITH AN EXPERTISE

PREPAREDNESS WITH AN EXPERTISE IN PANDEMIC INFLUENZA.

IN PANDEMIC INFLUENZA. HIS BUSINESS CARD IS SEVEN

HIS BUSINESS CARD IS SEVEN INCHES LONG.

INCHES LONG. RON KLAIN, A POLITICAL VETERAN

RON KLAIN, A POLITICAL VETERAN NOW AND FORMERLY ADVISING THE

NOW AND FORMERLY ADVISING THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN.

BIDEN CAMPAIGN. AMONG HIS MANY ROLES IN THE

AMONG HIS MANY ROLES IN THE WHITE HOUSE OVER THE YEARS,

WHITE HOUSE OVER THE YEARS, WORKING WITH DR. RED LENNER.

WORKING WITH DR. RED LENNER. HE OVERSAW THE RESPONSE TO THE

HE OVERSAW THE RESPONSE TO THE EBOLA OUTBREAK DURING THE OBAMA

EBOLA OUTBREAK DURING THE OBAMA PRESIDENCY.

PRESIDENCY. RON HAPPENS TO BE THE CO-HOST OF

RON HAPPENS TO BE THE CO-HOST OF A NEW PODCAST ABOUT THE

A NEW PODCAST ABOUT THE CORONAVIRUS CALLED "EPIDEMIC."

CORONAVIRUS CALLED "EPIDEMIC." RON, SINCE YOU GUYS ARE

RON, SINCE YOU GUYS ARE COLLEAGUES, I’M GOING TO START

COLLEAGUES, I’M GOING TO START WITH YOU BUT ASK YOU BOTH IN

WITH YOU BUT ASK YOU BOTH IN ORDER TO ANSWER THE SAME

ORDER TO ANSWER THE SAME QUESTION.

QUESTION. WHAT DO YOU SEE OUT THERE THAT

WHAT DO YOU SEE OUT THERE THAT NEEDS DOING, THAT’S NOT BEING

NEEDS DOING, THAT’S NOT BEING DONE?

DONE? WHAT’S PERHAPS BEING DONE WRONG?

WHAT’S PERHAPS BEING DONE WRONG? >> YEAH.

>> YEAH. SO I THINK WE’RE SEEING A CRISIS

SO I THINK WE’RE SEEING A CRISIS OF BOTH CONFIDENCE AND

OF BOTH CONFIDENCE AND COMPETENCE AT THE TRUMP WHITE

COMPETENCE AT THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE.

HOUSE. THE CONFIDENCE CRISIS COMES FROM

THE CONFIDENCE CRISIS COMES FROM THE FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT

THE FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT KEEPS ON SAYING THINGS THAT

KEEPS ON SAYING THINGS THAT AREN’T TRUE, AND HE’S FINALLY

AREN’T TRUE, AND HE’S FINALLY RUN INTO AN OPPONENT HE CANNOT

RUN INTO AN OPPONENT HE CANNOT TWEET INTO SUBMISSION.

TWEET INTO SUBMISSION. THE CORONAVIRUS IS NOT GOING TO

THE CORONAVIRUS IS NOT GOING TO BE IMPRESSED BY TRUMP’S TWEETS.

BE IMPRESSED BY TRUMP’S TWEETS. SO HE KEEPS ON MISREPRESENTING

SO HE KEEPS ON MISREPRESENTING THE STATE OF THE DISEASE.

THE STATE OF THE DISEASE. HE KEEPS ON MISREPRESENTING THE

HE KEEPS ON MISREPRESENTING THE STATE OF PROGRESS ON THINGS LIKE

STATE OF PROGRESS ON THINGS LIKE THE VACCINE.

THE VACCINE. THAT ERODES THE POWER OF HIS

THAT ERODES THE POWER OF HIS COMMUNICATIONS ON THIS.

COMMUNICATIONS ON THIS. ON THE COMPETENCE SIDE, THE

ON THE COMPETENCE SIDE, THE ADMINISTRATION PUT IN PLACE

ADMINISTRATION PUT IN PLACE TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS TO SLOW THE

TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS TO SLOW THE SPREAD OF THE VIRUS TO THE

SPREAD OF THE VIRUS TO THE UNITED STATES BUT DIDN’T USE THE

UNITED STATES BUT DIDN’T USE THE TIME THAT BOUGHT TO GET THIS

TIME THAT BOUGHT TO GET THIS TESTING PROBLEM SORTED OUT, TO

TESTING PROBLEM SORTED OUT, TO GET OUR HOSPITALS READY.

GET OUR HOSPITALS READY. THEY’RE JUST NOT MOVING WITH

THEY’RE JUST NOT MOVING WITH PACE AND SPEED TO PUT THE

PACE AND SPEED TO PUT THE RESPONSE INTO PLACE.

RESPONSE INTO PLACE. SO A LOT OF BAD COMMUNICATIONS

SO A LOT OF BAD COMMUNICATIONS AND A LOT OF FAILURE TO REALLY

AND A LOT OF FAILURE TO REALLY EXECUTE ON THE RESPONSE THAT

EXECUTE ON THE RESPONSE THAT SHOULD BE GOING ON NOW.

SHOULD BE GOING ON NOW. >> DOCTOR, SAME QUESTION.

>> DOCTOR, SAME QUESTION. >> IT’S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME

>> IT’S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME BASIC ANSWER, AND I’LL TELL YOU

BASIC ANSWER, AND I’LL TELL YOU THE MISCOMMUNICATION ISSUES ARE

THE MISCOMMUNICATION ISSUES ARE EXTRAORDINARY.

EXTRAORDINARY. WHAT WE WITNESSED IN THAT PRESS

WHAT WE WITNESSED IN THAT PRESS CONFERENCE JUST A FEW DAYS AGO

CONFERENCE JUST A FEW DAYS AGO WAS DONALD TRUMP SAYING

WAS DONALD TRUMP SAYING EVERYTHING IS UNDER CONTROL.

EVERYTHING IS UNDER CONTROL. >> FICTIONAL NUMBERS OF

>> FICTIONAL NUMBERS OF PATIENTS.

PATIENTS. >> IT WAS JUST ABSOLUTELY

>> IT WAS JUST ABSOLUTELY ABSURD.

ABSURD. THEN LIKE FIVE SECONDS LATER,

THEN LIKE FIVE SECONDS LATER, HIS HEALTH EXPERT IS SAYING IT’S

HIS HEALTH EXPERT IS SAYING IT’S JUST A MATTER OF WHEN, NOT IF

JUST A MATTER OF WHEN, NOT IF WE’RE GOING TO GET A MASSIVE

WE’RE GOING TO GET A MASSIVE DETERIORATION OF THE SITUATION.

DETERIORATION OF THE SITUATION. AND HE WAS -- TRUMP WAS

AND HE WAS -- TRUMP WAS PROMISING RAPID DEVELOPMENT OF A

PROMISING RAPID DEVELOPMENT OF A VACCINE, WHICH IS COMPLETELY

VACCINE, WHICH IS COMPLETELY ABSURD.

ABSURD. THAT’S GOING TO BE 12 TO 18

THAT’S GOING TO BE 12 TO 18 MONTHS IF WE’RE LUCKY AWAY.

MONTHS IF WE’RE LUCKY AWAY. SO EVERYTHING ABOUT IT TOTALLY

SO EVERYTHING ABOUT IT TOTALLY UNDERMINES THE PUBLIC’S

UNDERMINES THE PUBLIC’S CONFIDENCE IN MESSAGES COMING

CONFIDENCE IN MESSAGES COMING FROM LEADERS.

FROM LEADERS. YOU KNOW, WHAT A GOOD LEADER

YOU KNOW, WHAT A GOOD LEADER SHOULD BE DOING IS FINDING THAT

SHOULD BE DOING IS FINDING THAT MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN TELLING

MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN TELLING PEOPLE WHAT WE’RE DOING AND WHAT

PEOPLE WHAT WE’RE DOING AND WHAT WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT AND, ON THE

WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT AND, ON THE OTHER HAND, NOT CREATING PANIC.

OTHER HAND, NOT CREATING PANIC. TRUMP SEEMS NOT TO HAVE THAT

TRUMP SEEMS NOT TO HAVE THAT PARTICULAR INHERENT SKILL THAT

PARTICULAR INHERENT SKILL THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN OUR

WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN OUR POLITICIANS.

POLITICIANS. AND I’M TELLING YOU, WHEN THE

AND I’M TELLING YOU, WHEN THE POSTMORTEM IS WRITTEN ABOUT THIS

POSTMORTEM IS WRITTEN ABOUT THIS WHOLE EPISODE, THE

WHOLE EPISODE, THE INCOMPETENCESIES THROUGHOUT THE

INCOMPETENCESIES THROUGHOUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAVE BEEN

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAVE BEEN EXTRAORDINARY, AND I THINK

EXTRAORDINARY, AND I THINK PEOPLE WOULD BE SHOCKED TO SEE

PEOPLE WOULD BE SHOCKED TO SEE HOW MANY ERRORS IN JUDGMENT AND

HOW MANY ERRORS IN JUDGMENT AND MISMANAGEMENT AND SO ON.

MISMANAGEMENT AND SO ON. AND I THINK RON MENTIONED THE

AND I THINK RON MENTIONED THE ISSUE OF THE TESTING.

ISSUE OF THE TESTING. >> YEAH.

>> YEAH. >> THAT WAS AN UNBELIEVABLE

>> THAT WAS AN UNBELIEVABLE FAILURE OF A COMPETENCE WE

FAILURE OF A COMPETENCE WE SHOULD BE HAVING WITHOUT

SHOULD BE HAVING WITHOUT QUESTION.

QUESTION. WE’RE SO FAR BEHIND OTHER

WE’RE SO FAR BEHIND OTHER COUNTRIES IN TERMS OF FIGURING

COUNTRIES IN TERMS OF FIGURING OUT HOW TO SCREEN PEOPLE IN

OUT HOW TO SCREEN PEOPLE IN LARGE NUMBERS, AND THERE’S JUST

LARGE NUMBERS, AND THERE’S JUST NO -- NO FORGIVENING THIS.

NO -- NO FORGIVENING THIS. >> LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION

>> LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION PEOPLE ASK ME.

PEOPLE ASK ME. BEING A NEW YORKER IT’S PROBABLY

BEING A NEW YORKER IT’S PROBABLY HELPFUL BECAUSE AS A PUBLIC

HELPFUL BECAUSE AS A PUBLIC HEALTH SPECIALIST, YOU GOOD ET

HEALTH SPECIALIST, YOU GOOD ET TO WORK IN THIS LABORATORY EVERY

TO WORK IN THIS LABORATORY EVERY DAY.

DAY. HOW LONG DO YOU RECKON UNTIL WE

HOW LONG DO YOU RECKON UNTIL WE REALLY HAVE TO CHANGE OUR PUBLIC

REALLY HAVE TO CHANGE OUR PUBLIC BEHAVIOR.

BEHAVIOR. >> FIRST OF ALL, WE ACTUALLY

>> FIRST OF ALL, WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN IN A PANDEMIC FOR SOME

HAVE BEEN IN A PANDEMIC FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME.

PERIOD OF TIME. THIS IS A PANDEMIC.

THIS IS A PANDEMIC. SO FUSSY FOOTING AROUND THAT IS

SO FUSSY FOOTING AROUND THAT IS NOT HELPING ANYONE.

NOT HELPING ANYONE. WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE

WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE BEHAVIOR AS SOON AS WE HIT SOME

BEHAVIOR AS SOON AS WE HIT SOME TRIGGER POINT WHICH HAVE TO DO

TRIGGER POINT WHICH HAVE TO DO WITH NUMBER OF THE CASES IN A

WITH NUMBER OF THE CASES IN A PARTICULAR AREA.

PARTICULAR AREA. THOSE METHODS WILL BE VERY

THOSE METHODS WILL BE VERY DRACONIAN AND DISRUPTIVE FOR

DRACONIAN AND DISRUPTIVE FOR PEOPLE.

PEOPLE. >> LIKE?

>> LIKE? >> LIKE CLOSING SCHOOLS, LIKE

>> LIKE CLOSING SCHOOLS, LIKE SHUTTING DOWN ATHLETIC EVENTS,

SHUTTING DOWN ATHLETIC EVENTS, LIKE CLOSING DOWN THEATERS ON

LIKE CLOSING DOWN THEATERS ON BROADWAY.

BROADWAY. THESE ARE THINGS THAT MAY HAVE

THESE ARE THINGS THAT MAY HAVE TO HAPPEN IF WE HAVE TO KEEP

TO HAPPEN IF WE HAVE TO KEEP PEOPLE SEPARATED SO THAT WE

PEOPLE SEPARATED SO THAT WE DON’T INCREASE THE TRANSMISSION

DON’T INCREASE THE TRANSMISSION OF THIS CONTAGIOUS ILLNESS.

OF THIS CONTAGIOUS ILLNESS. AND WHEN ARE THOSE GOING TO

AND WHEN ARE THOSE GOING TO HAPPEN?

HAPPEN? IT’S A DAY BY DAY SITUATION,

IT’S A DAY BY DAY SITUATION, BRIAN.

BRIAN. WE DON’T KNOW.

WE DON’T KNOW. TOMORROW WE MAY GET NEWS THAT

TOMORROW WE MAY GET NEWS THAT THERE’S BEEN A MASSIVE INCREASE

THERE’S BEEN A MASSIVE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF CASES REPORTED

IN THE NUMBER OF CASES REPORTED AROUND THE COUNTRY AND WE’LL

AROUND THE COUNTRY AND WE’LL START TO SEE HEALTH DEPARTMENTS

START TO SEE HEALTH DEPARTMENTS SAYING, LISTEN, WE’RE GOING TO

SAYING, LISTEN, WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO CLOSE SOME SCHOOLS FOR A

HAVE TO CLOSE SOME SCHOOLS FOR A WHILE, WHICH HAS TREMENDOUS

WHILE, WHICH HAS TREMENDOUS EFFECTS ON FAMILIES.

EFFECTS ON FAMILIES. A LOT OF PARENTS CANNOT AFFORD

A LOT OF PARENTS CANNOT AFFORD TO STAY OUT OF WORK SO THAT THEY

TO STAY OUT OF WORK SO THAT THEY CAN STAY HOME AND WATCH THEIR

CAN STAY HOME AND WATCH THEIR CHILDREN.

CHILDREN. I DON’T KNOW HOW WE’RE GOING TO

I DON’T KNOW HOW WE’RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT BECAUSE FAMILIES’

DEAL WITH THAT BECAUSE FAMILIES’ INCOMES ARE DEPENDENT ON THEM

INCOMES ARE DEPENDENT ON THEM WORKING.

WORKING. AND THE ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES IN

AND THE ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES IN THEIR COMMUNITY AND BEYOND ARE

THEIR COMMUNITY AND BEYOND ARE JUST ABSOLUTELY AWFUL.

JUST ABSOLUTELY AWFUL. WE HAVE VIRTUALLY NO IMAGINATION

WE HAVE VIRTUALLY NO IMAGINATION WHEN IT COMES TO TRYING TO