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>> Martha: CONGRESSMAN DEVIN
NUNES, RANKING MEMBER OF THE
HOUSE INTELLIGENCE
COMMITTEE.
CONGRESSMAN, GOOD TO HAVE
YOU WITH US TONIGHT AS WELL.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT
THOSE SWING DISTRICTS AND
HOW THAT IS GOING TO GO IN
2020?
>> WELL, I THINK ALL THOSE
MEMBERS ARE IN A LOT OF
TROUBLE.
THE KEY IS TWO
THE KEY IS DWO
THE KEY IS DOO
THE KEY IS DO REPUBLICANS
HAVE GOOD CANDIDATES AND IN
MANY OF THOSE DISTRICTS WE
DO.
FOR EXAMPLE, IN CALIFORNIA,
WE HAVE FORMER MEMBER DAVID
VALDEO FOUR POLLS UP BY
DOUBLE DIGITS THAT WAS
BEFORE IMPEACHMENT.
WE HAVE A LOT OF THE GREAT
DISTRICTS WE CAN WIN IN
2020.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM
THAT THEY HAVE WITH THIS
IMPEACHMENT IS THAT THEY DID
NOT RUN A FAIR PROCESS.
SO, WHENEVER THEY SAY THEY
ARE RUNNING A FAIR PROCESS.
IT ACTUALLY MEANS THE
OPPOSITE.
WE HAVE SO MANY WITNESSES
AND WE DIDN'T ASK FOR VERY
MANY.
WE ASKED FOR ABOUT 10
WITNESSES.
THEY HAVE CALLED EXACTLY
ZERO OF OUR WITNESSES IN.
OKAY.
SO, HOW DO YOU HAVE A FAIR
TRIAL?
HOW DO YOU RUN A REAL
INVESTIGATION?
YOU KNOW, FOR ALL THE
NONSENSE THAT WE HAVE HEARD
WITH THESE GUYS WHERE THEY
3406 FROM THE RUSSIA HOAX TO
UKRAINE HOAX THAT THEN
TURNED INTO THE IMPEACHMENT
HOAX.
REMEMBER, WE GAVE THEM
DOZENS AND DODDS DOZENS OF
AND DOZENS OF WITNESSES WHEN
THEY WERE IN CONTROL TO TRY
TO PROVE THE RUSSIA HOAX.
NOW ALL THEY DID WAS LIE TO
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
>> Martha: VERY INTERESTING
REPORT COMING OUT FROM THE
FISA COURT.
PUSHING BACK AGAINST THE FBI
ESSENTIALLY SAYING DON'T TRY
THIS AGAIN WITH US BECAUSE
BY THE TIME IT GETS TO US,
WE ARE ASSUMING WHAT YOU ARE
PUTTING IN FRONT OF US IS
REAL AND IS ACCURATE AND IS
SUBSTANTIATED AND NOW THEY
KNOW THAT THAT WAS NOT THE
CASE AT ALL.
THAT THEY WERE GIVEN THINGS
THAT HAD HUGE HOLES IN THEM
AND ASKED TO SIGN OFF ON
THEM.
>> YEAH.
I'M GLAD TO SEE THE FIS
COURT COME OUT AND MAKE A
STATEMENT.
YOUR VIEWERS NEED TO KNOW
THAT THE FIS COURT IS ALSO
CULPABLE IN THIS MADNESS,
ALSO.
>> Martha: HOW SO?
>> I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE
SENT THEM TWO LETTERS, VERY
SPECIFIC LETTERS.
SO THIS IS PROBABLY PEOPLE
HEARING THIS FOR THE FIRST
TIME.
WE SENT ONE, I BELIEVE, IN
FEBRUARY OF 2018, WARNING
THEM OF VERY SERIOUS
MATTERS, IT WAS BASED ON THE
MEMO THAT WE HAD PUT FORWARD
AT THAT TIME.
THEY DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
ABOUT IT.
THEN AGAIN, WHEN WE FOUND
OUT THAT SOURCE TWO, THE
ONLY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION,
OKAY, THAT WAS THERE, IT WAS
ESSENTIALLY THE -- IT WAS
THE DOSSIER.
>> Martha: RIGHT.
>> FAKE NEWS STORIES THAT
THEY USED AND SOURCE TOO.
WE ASSUMED WHEN WE WROTE THE
ORIGINAL MEMO THAT SOURCE
TWO WAS LEGITIMATE BUT LATER
TREY GOWDY WHO YOU WILL HAVE
ON IN A LITTLE BIT AND
MYSELF AND JOHN RATCLIFFE
AND OUR INVESTIGATIVE TEAM,
WE BEGAN TO LOOK AT SOURCE
2.
AND WE DISCOVERED NUMBER ONE
THAT THEY HAD ACTUALLY BEGUN
SPYING BEFORE THEY EVEN GOT
THE WARRANT.
BUT, NUMBER TWO, THEY LEFT
ALL OF THIS EXCULPATORY
EVIDENCE.
THIS IS EVIDENCE THAT THEY
SHOULD HAVE PUT FORWARD ON
BOTH PAIGE AND PAPADOPOULOS.
PAPADOPOULOS IS KEY BECAUSE
HE IS THE REASONABLE THAT
THEY STARTED THE ENTIRE
INVESTIGATION.
HE DENIED IT CLEARLY.
SO, AT THAT POINT, WHEN YOU
HAVE A FULL BLOWN CI
INVESTIGATION GOING ON, YOU
SHOULD DO SOMETHING.
THE POINT HERE MARTHA IS
THAT THE COURT KNEW ABOUT
ALL OF THIS.
SO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M
GLAD THEY HAVE ACTED.
I'M GLAD THEY SAID
SOMETHING, BUT I THINK THE
COURT HAS TO BE ENDED.
THIS IS NOT --
>> Martha: I WAS GOING TO
ASK BECAUSE TOMORROW I'M
GOING TO INTERVIEW THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL.
WILLIAM BARR.
AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK
ABOUT THIS.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE FIS
COURT SHOULD BE ELIMINATED
AS ANDREW NAPOLITANO -- THE
JUDGE HAS ALSO ADVISED ON
THIS SHOW.
>> YEAH.
WE NEED A PROCESS, OKAY.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK IN
ABSOLUTES.
BUT I WILL SAY THAT THE WAY
THE COURTS CONDUCTED
THEMSELVES IS TOTALLY
INAPPROPRIATE.
THEY IGNORED CLEAR EVIDENCE
THAT WE PRESENTED TO THEM
THAT, REMEMBER, THEY HAD
THIS.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DIDN'T
HAVE IT.
WE HAD SEEN IT.
THEY HAD IT.
THEY DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
ABOUT IT.
SO, THEY HAVE LEFT REALLY
CONGRESS NO CHOICE BUT TO
HAVE TO STEP IN AND FIX THIS
PROCESS.
>> Martha: LET ME ASK YOU
THIS, WERE THERE PARTICULAR
JUDGES ON THE FIS COURT THAT
YOU FEEL DID NOT TREAT THIS
PROPERLY?
>> WELL, LOOK, WHEN YOU HAVE
THE EVIDENCE THAT WE PRESENT
TO THEM AND THEY DO NOTHING
ABOUT IT AND NOW THEY COME
OUT AND I HAVE TO LOOK
CLOSELY AT THE LETTER THAT
THEY SENT OUT TODAY, THE
STATEMENT THAT THEY SENT
OUT, BECAUSE I'M NOT SO SURE
THAT THEY ARE BEING ENTIRELY
TRUTHFUL.
I HAVE READ WHAT WE SENT
THEM.
I JUST READ IT A FEW HOURS
AGO BACK IN THE SUMMER OF
2018, THEY HAD A LOT OF THIS
INFORMATION THAT THEY CLAIM
THEY JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT.
I HAVE TO LOOK CLOSELY AT
THE WORDING.
>> Martha: VERY INTERESTING.
WE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO
COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT
THAT SOME MORE WHEN YOU MAKE
THAT COMPARISON BETWEEN WHAT
THEY ARE SAYING AND WHAT YOU
TOLD THEM AND MADE CLEAR TO
THEM BACK THEN.
I WANT TO ASK YOU ONE LAST
QUESTION WITH REGARD TO
UKRAINE.
BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE
RUSSIA SITUATION AND
UKRAINE.
RUDY GIULIANI, THE
PRESIDENT'S ATTORNEY, IS,
YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN BACK IN
UKRAINE.
HE SAYS THAT HAS A LOT OF
INFORMATION THAT WILL PROVE
THAT THERE WAS, INDEED, A
UKRAINE ELEMENT TO MEDDLING
IN THE ELECTION.
IN FACT, HE IS ARGUING, I
BELIEVE, THAT IT WAS UKRAINE
AND NOT RUSSIA.
HE SAYS THAT HE NEEDED TO
GET YANK
GET YOVK
GET YOVANOVITCH.
OUT OF THE WAY BECAUSE SHE
WAS APPROVING OF THE
SITUATION THERE WHAT DO YOU
THINK OF THAT.
>> I HAVE NOT SEEN RUDY
GIULIANI SAY RUSSIA DID
MEDDLE IN
DIDDLE IN
DIDNLE IN
DIDN'T IN
DIDN'TMEN
DIDN'TMEDDLE IN THIS ELECTION.
IT'S CLEAR THAT RUSSIA HAS
MEDDLE YOU HAD IN OUR
ELECTION AND WILL CONTINUE
TO MEDDLE IN OUR ELECTION AS
WILL OTHER COUNTRIES.
THE KEY POINT HERE IS THAT
ABOUT UKRAINE.
THERE WAS NO QUESTION THAT
THE DEMOCRATS HAD PAID
OPERATIVES THAT WERE GETTING
INFORMATION OUT OF UKRAINE.
YOU ONLY HAVE TO LOOK AT
PAUL MANAFORT.
PAUL MANAFORT WAS DIRTIED UP
BY WHAT WAS LIKELY
DISINFORMATION.
NOW, LOOK, HE ENDED UP DOING
OTHER THINGS WRONG, BUT THAT
INITIALING DIRT THAT CAME
FROM UKRAINE.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE
DOSSIER SOURCES, SOME OF
THOSE SOURCES WERE IN
UKRAINE.
SO, THERE IS NO QUESTION --
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE
UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT HAD
SOME NOT LIKE PUTIN WAS
DOING, BUT, LOOK, THEY
CLEARLY SIDED ON BEHALF OF
THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN AND
THEY HELPED TO DIRTY UP
TRUMP.
YOU HAD THE AMBASSADOR OF
IRK IN THE UNITED
UKK IN THE UNITED
UKRAIN THE UNITED
UKRAINETHE UNITED
UKRAINE IE UNITED
UKRAINE IN UNITED
UKRAINE IN TNITED
UKRAINE IN THETED
UKRAINE IN THE UD
UKRAINE IN THE UNITED STATES
IN WASHINGTON, D.C. SAYING
NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT A
PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE.
WHICH IS ALMOST UNHEARD OF.
AS IT RELATES TO
YOVANOVITCH, THE ISSUE THERE
IS THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE
THERE THAT -- IN UKRAINE,
THAT WANT VISAS TO COME TO
THE UNITED STATES SO THEY
CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE TO THE
APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES,
WHETHER IT BE CONGRESS OR
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
AND THAT'S WHAT RUDY
GIULIANI IS SAYING THAT
THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WANT
TO GIVE US INFORMATION THAT
CANNOT DO IT.
>> Martha: OKAY.
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