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YOU'RE CHAIRMAN COULD BE HERE TO ACTUALLY ANSWER THIS.
ACTUALLY ANSWER THIS. WAS IT TARGETED TO A SINGLE
WAS IT TARGETED TO A SINGLE TELEPHONE NUMBER OR NUMBERS?
TELEPHONE NUMBER OR NUMBERS? >> WE SUBPOENAED FOR CALL
>> WE SUBPOENAED FOR CALL RECORDS MULTIPLE NUMBERS.
RECORDS MULTIPLE NUMBERS. >> HOW MANY?
>> HOW MANY? >> I DON'T KNOW.
>> I DON'T KNOW. >> NONE OF --
>> NONE OF -- >> THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
>> THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. >> NONE OF MEMBERS OF CONGRESS,
>> NONE OF MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, NONE OF STAFF OF CONGRESS --
NONE OF STAFF OF CONGRESS -- >> WE'RE GETTING TO THAT.
>> WE'RE GETTING TO THAT. >> WE ONLY DID IT TO THE
>> WE ONLY DID IT TO THE SUBJECTS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN
SUBJECTS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THE INVESTIGATION WHICH IS A
THE INVESTIGATION WHICH IS A VERY ROUTINE AND STANDARD
VERY ROUTINE AND STANDARD INVESTIGATION PRACTICE.
INVESTIGATION PRACTICE. >> AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR
>> AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR ANYTHING FROM ME ABOUT A
ANYTHING FROM ME ABOUT A SUBPOENA AND THE LEGALITY OF A
SUBPOENA AND THE LEGALITY OF A SUBPOENA.
SUBPOENA. MY PROBLEM IS THIS.
MY PROBLEM IS THIS. WHO ON THE COMMITTEE ASKED THAT
WHO ON THE COMMITTEE ASKED THAT THOSE NUMBERS THAT YOU ACTUALLY
THOSE NUMBERS THAT YOU ACTUALLY DID PUT INTO FOR A SUBPOENA AND
DID PUT INTO FOR A SUBPOENA AND GET THOSE NUMBERS BACK, WHO WAS
GET THOSE NUMBERS BACK, WHO WAS IT THAT ASKED THAT THEY BE CROSS
IT THAT ASKED THAT THEY BE CROSS CHECKED FOR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS?
CHECKED FOR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS? WHO ORDERED THAT?
WHO ORDERED THAT? >> I DON'T THINK THAT'S HOW WE
>> I DON'T THINK THAT'S HOW WE DID IT, SIR.
DID IT, SIR. >> NO, WHOA, WHOA.
>> NO, WHOA, WHOA. YOU CAME OUT WITH A REPORT THAT
YOU CAME OUT WITH A REPORT THAT SHOWED THESE PEOPLE SUCH AS
SHOWED THESE PEOPLE SUCH AS CHAIRMAN NUNEZ AND OTHERS WERE
CHAIRMAN NUNEZ AND OTHERS WERE ACTUALLY ON THESE CALLS.
ACTUALLY ON THESE CALLS. >> YES.
>> YES. >> NOW SOMEONE AND YOU AND I --
>> NOW SOMEONE AND YOU AND I -- WE'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY CUTE
WE'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY CUTE HERE.
HERE. SOMEBODY TOOK THE FOUR RECORDS
SOMEBODY TOOK THE FOUR RECORDS THAT YOU ASKED FOR, AT LEAST
THAT YOU ASKED FOR, AT LEAST FOUR, TOOK THOSE NUMBERS AND
FOUR, TOOK THOSE NUMBERS AND THEN SAID, HEY, LET'S PLAY MATCH
THEN SAID, HEY, LET'S PLAY MATCH GAME.
GAME. WHO ORDERED THE MATCH GAME FOR
WHO ORDERED THE MATCH GAME FOR MEMBERS OF THE CONGRESS AND THE
MEMBERS OF THE CONGRESS AND THE PRESS.
PRESS. WAS IT YOU?
WAS IT YOU? >> I DON'T THINK ANYONE DID,
>> I DON'T THINK ANYONE DID, SIR?
SIR? >> THEN HOW DID YOU --
>> THEN HOW DID YOU -- >> THAT'S THE MOST RIDICULOUS
>> THAT'S THE MOST RIDICULOUS ITEM I EVER HEARD.
ITEM I EVER HEARD. YOU DON'T JUST PICK UP NUMBERS
YOU DON'T JUST PICK UP NUMBERS IN WHICH YOU HAVE TO MATCH THE
IN WHICH YOU HAVE TO MATCH THE NUMBERS TO SHOW WHERE THEY ARE
NUMBERS TO SHOW WHERE THEY ARE AND YOU DON'T COME UP WITH THEM.
AND YOU DON'T COME UP WITH THEM. WHO ORDERED THEM?
WHO ORDERED THEM? >> WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED IS
>> WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED IS EXACTLY HOW IT HAPPENED?
EXACTLY HOW IT HAPPENED? >> WHO ORDERED TO FIND OUT IF
>> WHO ORDERED TO FIND OUT IF NUNEZ NUMBER WAS ON THE CALLS.
NUNEZ NUMBER WAS ON THE CALLS. >> IF I CAN EXPLAIN, SIR YOU
>> IF I CAN EXPLAIN, SIR YOU PICK AN EECHT OFVENT OF SIGNIFIC
PICK AN EECHT OFVENT OF SIGNIFIC AND YOU LOOK FOR SEQUENCING AND
AND YOU LOOK FOR SEQUENCING AND PATTERNS AND YOU LOOK FOR
PATTERNS AND YOU LOOK FOR NUMBERS AND TRY TO IDENTIFY WHAT
NUMBERS AND TRY TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE AND YOU BUILD
THE NUMBERS ARE AND YOU BUILD THE CASE.
THE CASE. >> YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE FOUR
>> YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE FOUR NUMBERS YOU ASK FOR TO SEE HOW
NUMBERS YOU ASK FOR TO SEE HOW THEY'RE CONNECTED.
THEY'RE CONNECTED. I UNDERSTAND THE SUBPOENA THAT
I UNDERSTAND THE SUBPOENA THAT YOU ISSUED.
YOU ISSUED. MY QUESTION, WAS IT YOU OR WAS
MY QUESTION, WAS IT YOU OR WAS IT CHAIRMAN SCHI IFFF THAT SAID
IT CHAIRMAN SCHI IFFF THAT SAID LET'S SEE IF THIS MATCHES
LET'S SEE IF THIS MATCHES CHAIRMAN NUNEZ'S NUMBER OR A
CHAIRMAN NUNEZ'S NUMBER OR A MEMBER OF THE PRESS'S NUMBER.
MEMBER OF THE PRESS'S NUMBER. SOMEBODY ALONG THE WAY DIDN'T
SOMEBODY ALONG THE WAY DIDN'T HAVE AN EPIPHANY THAT THESE
HAVE AN EPIPHANY THAT THESE NUMBERS MIGHT MATCH.
NUMBERS MIGHT MATCH. SO WHO DID IT?
SO WHO DID IT? WAS IT CHAIRMAN SCHIFF OR WAS IT
WAS IT CHAIRMAN SCHIFF OR WAS IT YOU?
YOU? BE CAREFUL.
BE CAREFUL. YOU'RE UNDER OATH.
YOU'RE UNDER OATH. >> I KNOW I'M UNDER OATH, SIR.
>> I KNOW I'M UNDER OATH, SIR. >> THEN ANSWER THE QUESTION.
>> THEN ANSWER THE QUESTION. >> I WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION IF
>> I WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION IF YOU GIVE ME A SECOND HERE.
YOU GIVE ME A SECOND HERE. >> THE SAME SECOND WAS NOT
>> THE SAME SECOND WAS NOT AFFORDED TO MY WITNESS BY THE
AFFORDED TO MY WITNESS BY THE WAY.
WAY. >> WELL, I THINK HE WAS --
>> WELL, I THINK HE WAS -- >> WHO DECIDED TO LEAK IT?
>> WHO DECIDED TO LEAK IT? WHILE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW
WHILE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ANSWER THAT
YOU'RE GOING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, WHO DECIDED TO LEAK
QUESTION, WHO DECIDED TO LEAK IT?
IT? THE INFORMATION?
THE INFORMATION? WHY DID YOU INCLUDE IT IN A
WHY DID YOU INCLUDE IT IN A REPORT.
REPORT. >> THAT'S NOT A LEAK, SIR?
>> THAT'S NOT A LEAK, SIR? >> HOW DID YOU INCLUDE IT IN THE
>> HOW DID YOU INCLUDE IT IN THE REPORT?
REPORT? AFTER NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT
AFTER NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.
THIS. SO TWO QUESTIONS ARE HANGING OUT
SO TWO QUESTIONS ARE HANGING OUT THAT EVERYBODY IS LOOKING FOR AN
THAT EVERYBODY IS LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER FOR INCLUDING ME.
ANSWER FOR INCLUDING ME. WHO ORDERED IT?
WHO ORDERED IT? WAS IT YOU OR WAS IT CHAIRMAN C
WAS IT YOU OR WAS IT CHAIRMAN C SCHIFF AND WHY WAS IT INCLUDED
SCHIFF AND WHY WAS IT INCLUDED IN THE SCHIFF REPORT?
IN THE SCHIFF REPORT? >> I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE
>> I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE DELIBERATIONS OF OUR
DELIBERATIONS OF OUR INVESTIGATION WITH YOU AND THE
INVESTIGATION WITH YOU AND THE REASON IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE
REASON IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE REPORT IS THE CALLS WERE
REPORT IS THE CALLS WERE SURROUNDING IMPORTANT EVIDENCE
SURROUNDING IMPORTANT EVIDENCE TO OUR INVESTIGATION AND I THINK
TO OUR INVESTIGATION AND I THINK THAT YOUR QUESTION IS FRANKLY
THAT YOUR QUESTION IS FRANKLY NOT BETTER DIRECTED NOT AT ME
NOT BETTER DIRECTED NOT AT ME BUT AT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE
BUT AT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH --
HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH -- >> NO, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO
>> NO, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY THAT GAME.
PLAY THAT GAME. WE'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY THAT
WE'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY THAT GAME.
GAME. YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING THE
YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION.
QUESTION. AND EVERY MEMBER OF THE MEDIA,
AND EVERY MEMBER OF THE MEDIA, EVERYBODY HERE WHEN YOU START
EVERYBODY HERE WHEN YOU START GOING INTO THE DECORUM OF THIS
GOING INTO THE DECORUM OF THIS HOUSE AND YOU START LOOKING AT
HOUSE AND YOU START LOOKING AT MEMBERS TELEPHONE NUMBERS AND
MEMBERS TELEPHONE NUMBERS AND REPORTERS TELEPHONE NUMBERS
REPORTERS TELEPHONE NUMBERS WHICH THEY OUGHT TO BE SCARED
WHICH THEY OUGHT TO BE SCARED ABOUT.
ABOUT. YOU TOOK A SUBPOENA FOR FOUR AND
YOU TOOK A SUBPOENA FOR FOUR AND THEN YOU DECIDED TO PLAY MATCH
THEN YOU DECIDED TO PLAY MATCH GAME.
GAME. YOU FOUND NUMBERS THAT YOU
YOU FOUND NUMBERS THAT YOU THOUGHT -- SOME OF THEM DIDN'T
THOUGHT -- SOME OF THEM DIDN'T EXIST BECAUSE THEY CLAIMED THEY
EXIST BECAUSE THEY CLAIMED THEY WERE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE BUDGET
WERE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE BUDGET OFFICE AND THEY WERE NOT.
OFFICE AND THEY WERE NOT. SO WE'RE THROWING STORIES OUT
SO WE'RE THROWING STORIES OUT THERE.
THERE. SO I GO BACK TO MY QUESTION, ARE
SO I GO BACK TO MY QUESTION, ARE YOU GOING TO GO ON RECORD IN
YOU GOING TO GO ON RECORD IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY HERE TODAY
FRONT OF EVERYBODY HERE TODAY AND SAY YOU WILL NOT TELL WHO
AND SAY YOU WILL NOT TELL WHO ORDERED THIS?
ORDERED THIS? YOU OR MR. SCHIFF.
YOU OR MR. SCHIFF. >> I'M NOT GOING TO REVEAL HOW
>> I'M NOT GOING TO REVEAL HOW WE CONDUCTED THIS INVESTIGATION.
WE CONDUCTED THIS INVESTIGATION. >> AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE
>> AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH THIS ENTIRE THING.
HAVE WITH THIS ENTIRE THING. MR. SCHIFF BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
MR. SCHIFF BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. I'M DONE WITH YOU FOR RIGHT NOW.
I'M DONE WITH YOU FOR RIGHT NOW. WE'RE DONE.
WE'RE DONE. YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING THE
YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION.
QUESTION. YOU'RE NOT BEING HONEST ABOUT
YOU'RE NOT BEING HONEST ABOUT THIS ANSWER BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHO
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