THE INTEL COMMITTEE WHEN THEY

WERE IN THE SECURE ROOM KNOWN AS

THE SKIFF THAT HE HAD OBTAINED

PHONE RECORDS FROM AT&T OF

CERTAIN AMERICAN CITIZENS,

INCLUDING RUDY GIULIANI AND ALSO

REPRESENTATIVE OF DEVIN NUNES

WAS IN THAT GROUP OF NUMBERS.

THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO DISCUSS

IT BECAUSE IT WAS REVEALED TO

THEM WHEN THEY WERE INSIDE THE

ROOM THAT ONLY ALLOWS CLASSIFIED

INFORMATION TO BE DISCUSSED SO

NOW THE STORY IS OUT AND MANY,

INCLUDING SENATOR RAND PAUL, HAS

EXPECT OUTRAGE INC. USING INTEL

CHAIRMAN SCHIFF OF SPYING ON

DEVIN NUNES AND SAID I WOULD BE

AN ABUSE OF POWER.

THERE WAS SOME GLEE OVER THE

SITUATION IN SOME CORNERS OF

CABLE NEWS GRADE WATCH THIS

REACTION.

>> NUNEZ HAS PROBABLY HAD AND

DESERVES ABOUT THE 24 HOURS OF

HIS LIFE.

HE HAS BEEN CABRIA LEE CAUGHT UP

ON THE PHONE DIRECTORY HERE BUT

WHAT WAS HE DOING TALKING ALL OF

THESE PEOPLE?

I MEAN IT'S LIKE PICKING UP THE

ROCK AS I SAID IT AND SEEING THE

BUG LIFE UNDER THE ROCK.

ALL OF THESE PEOPLE WORKING

TOGETHER, I MEAN, NEWNESS, AND

GIULIANI IT, AND JOHN SOLOMON OF

THE HILL, ALL WORKING TOGETHER

IN ONE BIG NETWORK, ONE BIG

SYNDICATE YOU MIGHT SAY.

>> Martha: NOW, DEVIN NUNES,

RANKING MEMBER OF THE HOUSE

UNTIL COMMITTEE.

YOU'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF A LOT OF

THINGS LATELY, REPRESENTATIVE

NUNES.

THESE PHONE CALLS, TRIPS TO

VIENNA THAT YOU SAY YOU CAN

SUBSTANTIATE THAT YOU WERE NOT

THERE --

WHAT IS YOUR REACTION?

WHAT IS HER RESPONSE TO GREG

MATTHEWS AND WHAT HE SAID ABOUT

YOU?

>> I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED

BECAUSE JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO, I

SAW CHRIS MATTHEWS IN THE LONG

WHITE BUILDING, IT WAS LATE AT

NIGHT, I THINK IT WAS THERE FOR

SOME KIND OF MEETING OR

RECEPTION, AND HE COULDN'T GET

OUT.

HE WAS BLOCKED OUT AND I HELPED

WALK THEM OUT AND GOT HIM TO THE

DOOR AND I'M A LITTLE

DISAPPOINTED THAT HE THINKS THE

LOWLY INEBRIATED LOOK, FOR THREE

YEARS, I'VE BEEN SLOWLY

UNRAVELING WHAT THE DEMOCRATS IN

THE LEFT AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE

IN THE MEDIA HAVE STARTED WITH

THE RUSSIA HOAX AND THEY MOVED

TO THE UKRAINE HOAX AND THAT WE

HAVE BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE ADS

TOUTING THEM ON THINGS LIKE THEY

ARE THE ONES THAT PAID FOR THE

DOSSIER THAT ENDED UP IN THE

HANDS OF THE FBI.

WE WILL FIND MORE ABOUT THAT

NEXT WEEK.

>> Martha: WE ARE GOING TO

TALK ABOUT MORE OF THAT COMING

UP BUT I JUST WANT TO STICK WITH

THIS ISSUE RIGHT NOW.

WITH REGARD TO THESE PHONE

CALLS, I REMEMBER BACK AFTER

9/11, THE COLLECTION OF METADATA

WHAT IS A VERY VOLATILE SUBJECT

AND IN FACT, ADAM SCHIFF WAS

AMONG THOSE WHO WAS VERY

DISTURBED THAT TERRORIST WHO MAY

HAVE CONVERSATIONS THAT COME

INTO THIS COUNTRY THAT OVERLAP

WITH THE CALLS OF AMERICAN

CITIZENS AND THAT THOSE NUMBERS

WOULD BE PICKED UP WITH A HUGE

BREACH OF PRIVACY.

SO NOW I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S

TRUE, IF THOSE PRIVACY CONCERNS

ARE SO PREVALENT BETWEEN

TERRORIST AND POTENTIALLY SOME

AMERICAN CITIZENS, WHY DID HE

THINK THAT IT WAS OKAY IN THIS

REGARD TO DIG INTO YOUR PHONE

CALLS AND RUDY GIULIANI'S PHONE

CALLS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN PHONE

CALLS?

>> IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.

WE HAVE WORKED HARD TO TRY TO

PROTECT PEOPLE'S CIVIL LIBERTIES

AND AT ONE TIME, THE DEMOCRATS

ACTUALLY MOSTLY OPPOSED THE USE

ALONG WITH LIBERTARIANS IN THE

REPUBLICAN PARTY.

THEY WERE NOT MIKE OPPOSE THESE

PROGRAMS SO THE FACT THAT HE WOU

PROGRAMS SO THE FACT THAT HE WOD

PROGRAMS SO THE FACT THAT HE WOA

PROGRAMS SO THE FACT THAT HE WOT

PROGRAMS SO THE FACT THAT HE WOA

PROGRAMS SO THE FACT THAT HE WOL

PROGRAMS SO THE FACT THAT HE WOY

GET THESE PHONE CALLS AND

THEN --

LOOK, I DON'T KNOW HOW HE EVEN

HAS MY NUMBER AND WE ALSO HAVE

TO REMEMBER WE DON'T EVEN KNOW

MOST OF THESE NUMBERS BECAUSE

WHAT HE IS DESCRIBING THESE

NUMBERS TO OR NOT THE CASE SO I

STILL HAVE TO EVEN GO BACK

THROUGH MY PHONE RECORDS TO SEE

IF HE'S EVEN TELLING THE TRUTH

BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS

THIS.

RUDY GIULIANI KNOWS A LOT OF

MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND I CAN

GUARANTEE YOU THERE ARE MANY

MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, LIKE

MYSELF, THAT SPOKE TO RUDY

GIULIANI MORE THAN JUST A FEW

TIMES.

SO HE IS FRIENDS WITH HIM AND I

KNOW --

>> Martha: LET ME ASK YOU

THIS.

I WANT TO HEAR WHAT DID YOU

DISCUSS WITH LOVE HARNESS?

>> I DON'T EVEN KNOW BECAUSE I

NEVER MET HIM AND SO IT'S A

GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE MANY

PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW, INCLUDING

MYSELF.

SO --

>> Martha: YOU NEVER HAD ANY

PHONE CONVERSATION WITH HIM?

>> WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO

CONFIRM THAT YET.

>> Martha: YOU DON'T THINK YOU

WOULD REMEMBER?

>> YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER WE ARE THE

HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE

OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE SO WE GET

CALLS FROM PEOPLE EVERY DAY, ALL

WALKS OF LIFE, I GET THEM FROM

ALL OVER THE WORLD, ALLIES AND

PEOPLE THAT AREN'T OUR ALLIES.

IN THIS CASE, I JUST DON'T KNOW.

>> Martha: ARE THESE FROM

CELL PHONES OR YOUR OFFICE

PHONE?

>> WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT.

>> Martha: SEE YOU DIDN'T HAVE

AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE

PHONE NUMBERS THAT ARE ON THERE

AT ALL?

>> WE ARE SITTING WITH THOUSANDS

OF PAGES OF METADATA OF NUMBERS

SO SOMEHOW THEY WENT THROUGH

THERE AND FOUND MY CELL NUMBER A

FEW TIMES AND WAS EVEN WORSE IS,

IF THEY USE THAT, THEY

SELECTIVELY USED MY NUMBERS

IN ORDER TO BUILD ON THEIR

CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT SOMEHOW

MYSELF AND MY TWO STAFFERS,

FORMER STAFFER, ONE CURRENT

STAFFER, THAT THEY DON'T LIKE,

BECAUSE WE EMBARRASSED THEM WITH

THE RUSSIA HOAX, AND THAT'S WHAT

THIS IS ALL ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT

RETRIBUTION FOR WHAT WE HAVE

DONE TO THEM THE LAST THREE

YEARS BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE

THAT WE OUTED THEM WITH THEIR

RUSSIA HOAX ANOTHER UKRAINE

HOAX.

THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

SO WE CAN'T TRUST --

I'M NOT GOING TO TRUST ANYTHING

THAT ADAM SCHIFF HAS TO SAY

UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GO THROUGH

THOUSANDS OF PAGES OF METADATA.

>> Martha: ON THAT NOTE, AN

INTERESTING STORY THEY CAME OUT

TONIGHT FROM THE WASHINGTON

JOURNAL BECAUSE ONE OF THE BIG

HEADLINES WAS THAT THERE WAS

THIS PHONE CALL TO OWEN B WHICH

OBVIOUSLY IS VERY RELEVANT HERE

BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE OFFICE

THAT COULD PERHAPS HAVE BEEN

INVOLVED IN THE WITHHOLDING OF

AIDS THAT I GOT A LOT OF

ATTENTION BUT TONIGHT, THE

WASHINGTON JOURNAL IS REPORTING

THAT IT IS ACTUALLY NOT POSSIBLE

TO IDENTIFY WHETHER OR NOT THAT

CALL WENT TO OWEN D BECAUSE IT

WAS A GROUP CALL NUMBER THAT

COULD HAVE GONE TO A NUMBER OF

PLACES IN THE WHITE HOUSE HEAR

WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT?

>> THAT'S REALLY MY POINT.

YOU CAN'T TRUST ANYTHING THIS

GUY SAYS.

THE REASON HE USED MY NUMBERS

AND MY STAFF'S NUMBERS IS TO SAY

THAT WE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH

JOVANOVICH BEING FIRED.

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO THEY WERE

UNTIL THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.

>> Martha: I SEE WHAT YOU'RE

SAYING.

WHEN YOU SAY THAT ADAM SCHIFF

AND SENATOR RAND PAUL WHAT THEY

SAID IS GUILTY OR PERHAPS SHOULD

BE CONSIDERED FOR ABUSE OF POWER

IN THIS CASE?

>> VERY GOOD QUESTION.

FIRST OF ALL, TO RELATE TO CNN,

I WAS IN INDIANA.

I WAS IN BENGHAZI.

I WAS IN MALTA PICKING UP THE

REMAINS OF THE WORLD WAR II

TRUTH AND HAVING A CEREMONY SO

THAT HE COULD GO GET BACK TO HIS

FAMILY AND BE BURIED HERE IN THE

UNITED STATES.

THAT'S HOW SICK THESE PEOPLE AR

ARE.

WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT ALL

LEGAL OPTIONS OVER THE NEXT

COMING WEEKS AND MONTHS BECAUSE

CLEARLY MY CIVIL RIGHTS AND

CIVIL LIBERTIES WERE VIOLATED.

CLEARLY JOHN SOLOMON'S WERE,

REPORTER, AND ANOTHER GOOD

POINT --

I BET THERE'S A LOT OF REPORTERS

AT FOX THAT RUDY GIULIANI SPOKE

TO THAT ADAM SCHIFF'S, AT ANY

GIVEN TIME, HE COULD RELEASE

THAT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY URGENT

TIME FOR SOMEBODY TO WRITE THE

STORY THAT SOME OF YOU HAVE FOX

OR ANY OTHER NETWORK COMES OUT

WITH BECAUSE HE'S SITTING ON ALL

THOSE NUMBERS.

>> Martha: A LOT OF PEOPLE

TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE TO

BOOK THEM AND TO HAVE STORIES

AND ALL OF THAT SO I'M SURE YOU

ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THE

SPECIFIC CONNECTIONS BUT IF YOU

CAN GET THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE

CALL, IT REALLY MAKES IT