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  • (laughing)

  • - [Chris] Yeah, so what's up?

  • - [Woman] I can leave if you're nervous.

  • (crew laughing)

  • - No, no, it's all good. - You're good?

  • - [Chris] It is all good.

  • - What do you have live?

  • - [Chris] That was performance.

  • Shit happens in the background,

  • I'm like, "Hey, we got a nice audience."

  • (Chris applauding)

  • - Anybody doing Instagram Live?

  • You are?

  • Got it, okay, good to go?

  • Hey, everybody, this is Gary Vaynerchuk,

  • episode 329 of The #AskGaryVee Show,

  • perfect timing to have this tremendous gentleman

  • who is both athlete and entrepreneur

  • as the NBA season is now upon us.

  • Chris Bosh is in the building

  • and as a die-hard Knicks fan

  • and overlooking Madison Square Garden

  • I got to start transparent in saying

  • between the Raptors and the Heat

  • not necessarily my favorite athlete of all time

  • 'cause he dropped way too many real games on our faces

  • but I've really admired Chris.

  • We haven't we had one quick dinner I think at CES

  • where we were sitting on opposite sides of the table

  • so we didn't really get a chance to chop

  • but I've been able to really watch from afar

  • as I'm always watching.

  • I think you've made a really strong transition

  • into life after basketball

  • but before before we go into that

  • actually this is a great question

  • 'cause I know a ton of my listeners

  • are gonna have a lot of awareness of you.

  • So I think the right first question is

  • what do you been up to?

  • - Man, that is such a good question.

  • - [Gary] Yeah, let me give you the floor.

  • - Yeah I've been,

  • first of all kind of had to rebound

  • in my situation.

  • - [Gary] How old are you right now?

  • I'm 35.

  • So people really don't realize

  • and I didn't realize either

  • really what happens to an athlete after you're done playing.

  • We kind of just disappear and go away

  • and maybe you'll see us on TV again

  • but that's when I think real life stars for us.

  • - [Gary] Yeah, I think that's right.

  • - Yeah, I have five children.

  • - [Gary] That's a great number.

  • - Yeah, it's an awesome number, man

  • and then getting into the swing of things

  • into being a father that's there more,

  • into being a husband that's there more.

  • - [Gary] And by the way, takes practice.

  • - [Chris] Yeah it does.

  • - People don't understand that,

  • as for me going hard and then having children

  • and even like evaluating if I'm doing too much or too little

  • or whether it's workout regimen

  • or business like that is a transition in itself.

  • - [Chris] Yeah it becomes a balancing act.

  • - It's not just so all of a sudden you're like

  • going to daycare and,

  • like it's a thing.

  • - Yeah, yeah and school and getting them prepared

  • and moving back and forth

  • and moving my family to Austin.

  • - And your situation's a little bit unique

  • in the fact that obviously

  • 'cause I follow sports enough to know like it was,

  • I don't think as many people will know this,

  • it wasn't the easiest situation

  • that led you to not playing basketball--

  • - [Chris] No, no, no, it was a very dramatic--

  • - Why don't you give them a little context?

  • - Well I mean, I got blood clots,

  • I had a pulmonary embolism back in 2014, no '15.

  • That was really bad.

  • I was in the hospital for damn near two weeks.

  • That sucked, had to have surgery--

  • - [Gary] Was it dangerous?

  • - Yeah, yeah, yeah, blood clots.

  • - [Gary] Did you know something was up?

  • - It was slowly happening.

  • I mean I know all the signs to look for now

  • but slowly, I mean, at first I thought it was cramps

  • and then a month later they come back

  • and then it became so debilitating,

  • I'm like, yo, I got to go to, there is something wrong.

  • But luckily made it through that

  • and then bounced back, got back into playing,

  • got back to my form of playing

  • the way where I was happy and everything

  • and then after that

  • my calf was sore I go to the doctor to get a scan,

  • oh I got blood clots again

  • and then it became a problem because I felt good,

  • I just everything just was just stopped

  • all of a sudden one day and

  • yeah, I wasn't a happy camper. - And you're 31 years old

  • at the time, 31, 32. - At the time I was 33,

  • 32, 33, somewhere in there yeah.

  • - [Gary] Still feeling like you had three, four, five, six?

  • - Oh man, six, seven left in me.

  • I would still be playing right now.

  • I wanted to play till I was 36

  • but I could have potentially

  • with the way things are going in the league now--

  • - [Gary] When's the first time somebody said to you,

  • hey you may want to consider not playing?

  • - Nobody ever said it.

  • A lot of people said it but--

  • - Now you're starting to sound like me,

  • nobody said it, everybody said it,

  • that's the shit I do.

  • - [Chris] I didn't listen to it.

  • - SPO, is this true, do I have this right,

  • SPO was at the game when Hank Gathers passed?

  • - [Chris] Yeah.

  • - I think that's a fact

  • that a lot of people don't know.

  • Your coach at the time, I'm 43,

  • I was outrageously affected by Hank Gathers passing.

  • I was in eighth grade,

  • super into the March Madness thing,

  • Bo Kimble, like it was a big deal,

  • no internet back then,

  • big events really took over America for a week.

  • Now Prince dies and it's a half a day on Twitter,

  • like real big stuff happens

  • and it's a half a day

  • with the way our world works now.

  • Back then, something big happens, it was a week,

  • two weeks in the news.

  • Was coach affected by that when he communicated with you?

  • I always wondered about that.

  • I know coach a little.

  • He's a great dude.

  • - I think that was kind of everybody else's thought process

  • going through that and saying

  • oh wow this is dire situation.

  • With me, you don't necessarily tell that person that right?

  • You want them to kind of exercise things,

  • yeah get there by themselves.

  • We never talked

  • about it too much. - What about doctors?

  • Were like don't play?

  • - Yeah, they were, oh, you can't play,

  • you'll be fine sir,

  • like you've had your life, bro.

  • I'm just really getting started with this stuff

  • and you're telling me that,

  • that's kind of where the disagreements came in

  • with the communication and our problem with communication

  • but we got over that

  • and it was just my stance was to continue to try and play

  • And that's what I did for about a year and a half.

  • - [Gary] And then?

  • - Then I was like, yeah, I'm not gonna do this.

  • - How did that go down?

  • Did you just wake up one morning?

  • - I tell people this story, I was watching,

  • so I was in the next year,

  • a whole year went by I said,

  • all right I know I'm gonna get picked up this year,

  • I need to get into basketball,

  • I need to watch more basketball

  • 'cause I kind of let it go last year.

  • I was still working out but didn't watch any games.

  • - [Gary] 'Cause you just needed that break?

  • - Just mentally it was messing with me.

  • It hurts 'cause--

  • - [Gary] You wanted to be out there?

  • - Yeah, I was right there

  • and I felt that we had a championship-caliber team

  • and then it just stops one day.

  • Then I saw Gordon Hayward dislocate his ankle

  • in the first five minutes.

  • - [Gary] I was at that game.

  • - You was at that game?

  • - [Gary] I was at that game.

  • Luckily, on the other side.

  • - I just turned the TV on like all right here we go

  • the season's going on, bloop bloop.

  • - [Gary] You almost threw up.

  • - Oh man I said I right right then and there

  • I knew I wasn't gonna play anymore.

  • - [Gary] Really?

  • - Yeah, I knew.

  • And I had to keep up with the Jones.

  • I told everybody I was gonna keep playing,

  • "You coming back?"

  • I'm like, "Yeah."

  • - But you knew?

  • - [Chris] But I knew right then

  • it wasn't gonna happen no more.

  • - Really?

  • - [Chris] Yeah, it's just like,

  • you know that thing,

  • I was there, we were strong

  • and then boy it took all the wind out my cell.

  • - No kidding.

  • - [Chris] Yeah, I was done after that.

  • - And so then take me through the next chapter.

  • So now yourself, you know you're done,

  • you keep up the facade a little bit

  • because it's a hard left

  • and so you want to go through that in what way yeah

  • and then what do you start thinking about next?

  • - Shh man what am I doing, you know?

  • That's not an easy question.

  • - [Gary] Do you go into like a depressed state?

  • - I think I was already there at that point already.

  • It took about two years,

  • I want to say two years after I was done playing,

  • it took me that long to kind of

  • come out the fog a little bit.

  • - [Gary] I understand.

  • - Yeah and I guess yeah that's what people call

  • a depression or something.

  • - You know it's funny,

  • my brother AJ, who's sitting right there, left Vayner,

  • we started this together, VaynerMedia

  • and then three years ago, three and a half years ago,

  • we started a sports representation business, VaynerSports.

  • We do football now

  • and we have 20 guys, 25 guys

  • and our entire thesis was off-the-field

  • dynamics that we could create

  • but a lot of it was life after football.

  • These kids are, first of all football's crazy,

  • because a lot of these guys are top of their class--

  • - [Chris] Way crazier.

  • - Yeah I mean there's real injuries in football.

  • There's real stuff going on.

  • Kids are, the first round picks

  • out of the league three years later for real for real.

  • So that's 25, that's 26.

  • - [Chris] What do they do usually?

  • What's the next step in that?

  • - Most kids really screw up.

  • They you overspend their money up front,

  • then they're done, they're 25 and they're like,

  • I mean this is why we did it,

  • we're like we think we can change it.

  • I watched, he watched from afar that agents,

  • and I don't even blame agents,

  • it's not like I razz them,

  • I don't think these are bad people,

  • they're in business.

  • Agents are there and then when you're not producing dollars

  • it's their responsibility to their company and their family

  • to go find things that do and they're done.