GOING TO GO TO THE FORMER

SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.

NO ONE BETTER TO TALK ABOUT THIS

BECAUSE YOU LIVED THROUGH THIS

BACK IN THE LATE 90s.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE

DEMOCRATS LAYING THESE TWO

ISSUES OUT?

THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE

REPORTS VERY SPECIFICALLY

TALKING ABOUT FOREIGN MEDDLING

AND ALSO OBSTRUCTION.

>> I THINK WE HAVE A VERY WEAK

HAND.

I LISTEN EARLIER IN YOUR

CONVERSATION, THE FACT THAT

INDEPENDENTS ARE MOVING AGAINST

IMPEACHMENT AND REMOVAL.

AND THEY HAVEN'T MADE THEIR CASE

TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND

ADDING EXTRA STUFF DOESN'T

INCREASE THE CASE.

AND THEY ARE WHERE THEY ARE NOW.

FURTHERMORE IF THEY SEND IT TO

THE SENATE THAT PUTS THE SENATE

REPUBLICANS IN CHARGE AND WE

DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW WHAT THEIR

REACTION WILL BE.

THEY START WITH HEARINGS IN THE

JUDICIARY COMMITTEE BRINGING IN

HUNTER BIDEN AND JOE BIDEN AND

ADAM SCHIFF HIMSELF, THIS COULD

BE A TOTAL MESS BY SOMETIME IN

JANUARY.

>> Dana: WHAT DO YOU ASSESS SO

FAR ABOUT THE REPUBLICANS

EFFORTS TO SAVE, CAN STAY

TOGETHER ON CONTENT AND MESSAGE

AS THEY HAVE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT

A WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS AS THEY

ARE THE MINORITY IN THE HOUSE?

>> I THOUGHT THEY DID A

REMARKABLY GOOD JOB.

THE FACT THAT THEY CAME OUT WITH

THEIR REBUTTAL BEFORE

ADAM SCHIFF RELEASED HIS REPORT

WAS A GOOD THING.

I THINK HE HAS SEEN NOT A SINGLE

REPUBLICAN IN THE HOUSE OR

SENATE WHICH HAS INDICATED THEY

ARE GOING ALONG WITH THE

PRESIDENT.

THAT'S A PRETTY UNIFIED

POSITION, AND THE ONLY

BIPARTISANSHIP WAS TO DEMOCRATS

THAT VOTED NO JOINING THE

REPUBLICANS ON THE FIRST ROUND.

MY HUNCH IS THERE WILL BE A LOT

MORE THAT VOTE NO ON IMPEACHMENT

OF SPEAKER PELOSI MOVES FORWARD.

THERE'S MORE AND MORE TALK TO

TRY TO SHIFT TO CENSURE AND I

DON'T THINK THEY CAN FIND ONE.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I THINK THE REPUBLICANS OUGHT

TO VOTE NO.

I AGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT.

HIS WHOLE THING IS A RIGGED GAME

AND IT'S BALONEY.

AS YOU KNOW PRESIDENTS OFTEN

NEGOTIATE AND HEALTH

CONVERSATIONS AND THE WHOLE IDEA

THAT WE ARE NOW GOING TO -- WE

ARE MOVING THE UNITED STATES

OVER CONVERSATION AND THE OTHER

PRESIDENT, THE PRESIDENT OF THE

UKRAINE SAID IT WAS NOT ANYWAY

OFFENSIVE OR INAPPROPRIATE,

THAT'S A PRETTY'S THEN READ TO

TAKE OUT SOMEBODY WITH

60 MILLION VOTES.

>> Dana: HOW MUCH IS SHE

THINKING ABOUT THE POLITICS OF

ALL OF THIS.

HOW MUCH IS SHE THINKING ABOUT

THE 31 DEMOCRATS THAT SHE WOULD

NEED TO WIN REELECTIONS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT SHE NEEDS ALL

OF THEM BUT SHE WOULD CERTAINLY

LIKE TO SEE THEM WIN AGAIN.

I KNOW THAT THEY SAY THEY JUST

WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND

THAT THEY HAVE TO STICK TO THE

PRINCIPLES BUT HOW DID THE

POLITICS PLAY HERE FOR THE

SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE?

>> FIRST OF ALL SHE'S A VERY

SMART AFFECTIONAL POLITICIAN.

OF COURSE SHE THINKS ABOUT THE

POLITICS OF THIS AND SHE FOR A

VERY LONG TIME DIDN'T WANT TO DO

IT BUT THE LEFT WING OF HER

PARTY PUT SO MUCH PRESSURE ON

HER THAT SHE HAD TO GO AHEAD

RELUCTANTLY.

SHE THEN HAD ACT -- THE ONLY

PERSON SHE COULD TRUST WITH

ADAM SCHIFF AND SHE HE COULD DO

IT IN SECRET WITH THE

INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE SO THEY

WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS

OF LICKING PEOPLE INTO TRYING TO

BUILD SUSPENSE BUT IT DIDN'T

WORK.

THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE I TALKED

WITH WHO WENT HOME OVER

THANKSGIVING AND NOBODY TALKED

ABOUT IT, NOBODY CARED.

THEY DON'T SEE IT AS A LIVE HOT

ISSUE.

SO NOW SHE HAS TO FIGURE OUT --

I THINK SHE WILL BE FORCED TO

VOTE ON IMPEACHMENT AND MY GUESS

IS SHE CAN MUSCLE DEVOTE BUT SHE

DOES HAVE 31 DEMOCRATS AND TRUMP

DISTRICTS AND THAT IS TWICE AS

MANY AS YOU WOULD NEED TO DEFEAT

IT.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S AN

AUTOMATIC SLAM-DUNK.

>> IF YOU DISAPPOINT THE BASE

THAT MUCH, IF THEY WALK AWAY --

>> HER PARTY WOULD EXPLODE.

THE TRUTH IS HATRED OF TRUMP ON

THE LEFT, IT'S ALMOST

PATHOLOGICAL.

SHE HAS TO GO THROUGH WITH THE

VOTE.

EVEN IF SHE LOSES IT.

FRANKLY ANY DEMOCRAT WHO VOTES

NO IS FACING THE VERY REAL

PROSPECT OF A PRIMARY FIGHT FROM

THE LEFT.

WITH, THEY HAVE -- TRUMP IN A

BIZARRE WAY NOW HAS THEM IN A

POSITION WHERE THEY HAVE A VERY

HARD JOB.

>> Dana: WHAT ABOUT THE NEEDLE

MEETING AS A PRESIDENT IS OVER

THERE TRYING TO MAKE SURE NATO

STAYS ON TRACK IN A DIFFERENT

WAY ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF THE

FINANCING?

ALL OF THIS IS GOING ON

DOMESTICALLY.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE

PRESIDENT'S MESSAGING SO FAR ON

THIS?

>> I THINK THE AVERAGE EUROPEAN

INCOME AND THIS IS TRUE I THINK

ALSO IN ASIA.

LEADERS AROUND THE WORLD LOOK AT

THIS IS AMERICA BEING AMERICA,

WE ARE CHAOTIC AND HARD TO

UNDERSTAND AND WE DO WEIRD

THINGS.

HE IS THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF AND

HE PROVES EVERY DAY HOW POWERFUL

HE IS.

HE IS ENTERING A WORLD WAR

HE IS ENTERING A WORLD WHERE

MICRON'S POPULARITY, AND IT'S

NOT LIKE YOU HAVE A STABLE AND

CALM EUROPE AND THAT'S -- YOU

MOVE NATO AND PEOPLE DON'T

RECOGNIZE US.

HE'S MOVED NEEDLE SPENDING

DRAMATICALLY IN THE RIGHT

DIRECTION AND HE HAS ACTUALLY

MODERNIZED NATO.

HE'S FOCUSED IN ON RUSSIA AND I

THINK THE MEETING WILL THEN BE A

SUCCESS DESPITE THE RATHER WEIRD

SPEECH ABOUT NEEDLE BEING

BRAIN-DEAD WHICH COMING FROM A

FRENCH PRESIDENT WITH THE

WEAKNESS HE HAD I THOUGHT WAS