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>>> THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE HEADLINES YOU DON'T GET TO READ
HEADLINES YOU DON'T GET TO READ OFTEN.
OFTEN. RUDY GIULIANI BUTT DIALS NBC
RUDY GIULIANI BUTT DIALS NBC REPORTER HEARD DISCUSSING NEED
REPORTER HEARD DISCUSSING NEED FOR CASH AND TRASHING BIDENS.
FOR CASH AND TRASHING BIDENS. NBC NEWS INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER
NBC NEWS INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER RICH SHAPIRO GOES TON TO
RICH SHAPIRO GOES TON TO DESCRIBE TWO VOICE MAILS FROM
DESCRIBE TWO VOICE MAILS FROM RUDY GIULIANI RECORDED WHEN
RUDY GIULIANI RECORDED WHEN GIULIANI ACCIDENTALLY BUTT
GIULIANI ACCIDENTALLY BUTT DIALED HIM N. ONE VOICEMAIL FROM
DIALED HIM N. ONE VOICEMAIL FROM LATE SEPTEMBER, GIULIANI IS
LATE SEPTEMBER, GIULIANI IS HEARD ATTACKING THE BIDENS
HEARD ATTACKING THE BIDENS BEFORE APPARENTLY TURNING TO
BEFORE APPARENTLY TURNING TO DONALD TRUMP'S CALL WITH THE
DONALD TRUMP'S CALL WITH THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT.
UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT. IN ANOTHER ROUGHLY TWO WEEKS
IN ANOTHER ROUGHLY TWO WEEKS LATER HE CAN BE HEARD DISCUSSING
LATER HE CAN BE HEARD DISCUSSING OVERSEAS BUSINESS DEALINGS AND
OVERSEAS BUSINESS DEALINGS AND HIS NEED FOR CASH.
HIS NEED FOR CASH. >> YOU KNOW, CHARLES WOULD HAVE
>> YOU KNOW, CHARLES WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME WITH A FRAUD CASE
A HARD TIME WITH A FRAUD CASE BECAUSE HE DIDN'T DO ANY DUE
BECAUSE HE DIDN'T DO ANY DUE DILIGENCE.
DILIGENCE. TOMORROW I GOT TO GET YOU TO GET
TOMORROW I GOT TO GET YOU TO GET ON BAHRAIN.
ON BAHRAIN. IS ROBERT AROUND?
IS ROBERT AROUND? >> ROB?
>> ROB? HE'S IN TURKEY.
HE'S IN TURKEY. >> PROBLEM IS WE NEED SOME
>> PROBLEM IS WE NEED SOME MONEY.
MONEY. WE NEED A FEW HUNDRED THOUSANDS.
WE NEED A FEW HUNDRED THOUSANDS. >> IS VOICE MAILS JOIN NEW
>> IS VOICE MAILS JOIN NEW SCRUTINY AT A TIME HE'S UNDER
SCRUTINY AT A TIME HE'S UNDER FEDERAL CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION
FEDERAL CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION AND ACCUSED OF RUNNING A SHADOW
AND ACCUSED OF RUNNING A SHADOW FOREIGN POLICY IN UKRAINE TO DIG
FOREIGN POLICY IN UKRAINE TO DIG UP DIRT ON TRUMP'S POLITICAL
UP DIRT ON TRUMP'S POLITICAL RIVAL.
RIVAL. GIULIANI IS NOW REPORTEDLY ON
GIULIANI IS NOW REPORTEDLY ON THE HUNT FOR A DEFENSE ATTORNEY
THE HUNT FOR A DEFENSE ATTORNEY AS FEDERAL PROSECUTORS ISSUE
AS FEDERAL PROSECUTORS ISSUE MULTIPLE SUBPOENAS IN THE CASE
MULTIPLE SUBPOENAS IN THE CASE AGAINST GIULIANI'S INDICTED
AGAINST GIULIANI'S INDICTED ASSOCIATES.
ASSOCIATES. POLITICO REPORTS THAT THE
POLITICO REPORTS THAT THE CRIMINAL DIVISION OF ATTORNEY
CRIMINAL DIVISION OF ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR'S JUSTICE
GENERAL BARR'S JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS BRINGING MORE
DEPARTMENT IS BRINGING MORE RESOURCES TO THE SDNY'S
RESOURCES TO THE SDNY'S INVESTIGATION INTO GIULIANI
INVESTIGATION INTO GIULIANI INDICATING THAT THE PROBE INTO
INDICATING THAT THE PROBE INTO THE PRESIDENT'S PERSONAL
THE PRESIDENT'S PERSONAL ATTORNEY IS BOTH BROADER AND
ATTORNEY IS BOTH BROADER AND MOVING AT A FASTER PACE THAN
MOVING AT A FASTER PACE THAN PREVIOUSLY UNDERSTOOD.
PREVIOUSLY UNDERSTOOD. JOINING US NOW IS FRANK
JOINING US NOW IS FRANK FIGLIUZZI, FORMER FBI ASSISTANT
FIGLIUZZI, FORMER FBI ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR COUNTERINTELLIGENCE
DIRECTOR FOR COUNTERINTELLIGENCE AND MSNBC NATIONAL SECURITY
AND MSNBC NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST AND DANNY IS HE HAVE A
ANALYST AND DANNY IS HE HAVE A LOSS.
LOSS. BUT JUST FIRST, RUDY GIULIANI
BUT JUST FIRST, RUDY GIULIANI AND THE CALL, WHAT STOOD OUT TO
AND THE CALL, WHAT STOOD OUT TO YOU?
YOU? >> FIRST, MANY PEOPLE WOULD SAY
>> FIRST, MANY PEOPLE WOULD SAY RUDY'S BEEN TALKING OUT OF THAT
RUDY'S BEEN TALKING OUT OF THAT PART OF HIS ANATOMY FOR A WHILE,
PART OF HIS ANATOMY FOR A WHILE, BUT THE FIRST THING THAT STRUCK
BUT THE FIRST THING THAT STRUCK ME WAS THE NATIONAL SECURITY
ME WAS THE NATIONAL SECURITY IMPLICATIONS FOR THE PRESIDENT'S
IMPLICATIONS FOR THE PRESIDENT'S ATTORNEY AND A GLOBAL EMISSARY
ATTORNEY AND A GLOBAL EMISSARY NOT UNDERSTANDING PHONE
NOT UNDERSTANDING PHONE SECURITY.
SECURITY. HOW MANY PEOPLE RIGHT HAND THE
HOW MANY PEOPLE RIGHT HAND THE WORLD AND IN WHAT COUNTRIES HAVE
WORLD AND IN WHAT COUNTRIES HAVE RECEIVED UNSOLICITED VOICE MAILS
RECEIVED UNSOLICITED VOICE MAILS FROM THE PRESIDENT'S ATTORNEY?
FROM THE PRESIDENT'S ATTORNEY? WHAT COUNTRY LEADER OR COUNTRY
WHAT COUNTRY LEADER OR COUNTRY GENERAL COUNSEL OR ADMINISTRATOR
GENERAL COUNSEL OR ADMINISTRATOR HAS RECEIVED SUCH THINGS?
HAS RECEIVED SUCH THINGS? THERE'S BEEN CONSISTENT
THERE'S BEEN CONSISTENT REPORTING ON RUDY'S THIRD
REPORTING ON RUDY'S THIRD DIVORCE, A VERY ACRIMONIOUS
DIVORCE, A VERY ACRIMONIOUS DIVORCE PROCEEDING WHERE HIS
DIVORCE PROCEEDING WHERE HIS WIFE IS CLAIMING IN COURT
WIFE IS CLAIMING IN COURT FILINGS THAT HIS PRO BONO WORK
FILINGS THAT HIS PRO BONO WORK FOR THE PRESIDENT IS PART OF A
FOR THE PRESIDENT IS PART OF A SCHEME TO ALLOW HIM TO CLAIM
SCHEME TO ALLOW HIM TO CLAIM HE'S BROKE AND CAN'T AFFORD AL
HE'S BROKE AND CAN'T AFFORD AL MOANMY.
MOANMY. YET ON THIS RECORDING WE HEAR
YET ON THIS RECORDING WE HEAR HIM SAY THE PROBLEM IS, WE NEED
HIM SAY THE PROBLEM IS, WE NEED MORE MONEY, OR WE NEED SOME
MORE MONEY, OR WE NEED SOME MONEY.
MONEY. IS IT POSSIBLE HE'S GOT SOME
IS IT POSSIBLE HE'S GOT SOME LEGAL ISSUE WITH REGARD TO
LEGAL ISSUE WITH REGARD TO HIDING HIS INCOME BECAUSE OF A
HIDING HIS INCOME BECAUSE OF A DIVORCE PROCEEDING?
DIVORCE PROCEEDING? >> THAT'S INTERESTING.
>> THAT'S INTERESTING. THERE HAS BEEN A QUESTION OF
THERE HAS BEEN A QUESTION OF WHETHER RUDY GIULIANI IS REALLY
WHETHER RUDY GIULIANI IS REALLY WORKING FOR FREE FOR THE
WORKING FOR FREE FOR THE PRESIDENT OR IF SOMEBODY ELSE IS
PRESIDENT OR IF SOMEBODY ELSE IS PAYING HIM.
PAYING HIM. THIS CALL TALKED ABOUT MONEY.
THIS CALL TALKED ABOUT MONEY. I'M NOT SURE IT REVEALED MUCH
I'M NOT SURE IT REVEALED MUCH MORE THAN HIM TALKING ABOUT
MORE THAN HIM TALKING ABOUT MONEY AND SAYING WE NEED MONEY.
MONEY AND SAYING WE NEED MONEY. THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE WHERE HE
THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE WHERE HE TALKS ABOUT JOE BIDEN AND WHY
TALKS ABOUT JOE BIDEN AND WHY GIULIANI BELIEVES HE'S BEING
GIULIANI BELIEVES HE'S BEING TARGETED.
TARGETED. LET'S PLAY THAT SOUND BITE.
LET'S PLAY THAT SOUND BITE. >> I EXPECTED IT WOULD HAPPEN.
>> I EXPECTED IT WOULD HAPPEN. THE MINUTE YOU TOUCH ON ONE OF
THE MINUTE YOU TOUCH ON ONE OF THE PROTECTED PEOPLE, THEY GO
THE PROTECTED PEOPLE, THEY GO CRAZY.
CRAZY. THEY COME AFTER YOU.
THEY COME AFTER YOU. IT'S VERY POWERFUL.
IT'S VERY POWERFUL. >> THE MOST POWERFUL WEAPON,
>> THE MOST POWERFUL WEAPON, YEAH?
YEAH? >> THERE'S PLENTY MORE TO COME
>> THERE'S PLENTY MORE TO COME NOW.
NOW. >> THEY DON'T WANT TO
>> THEY DON'T WANT TO INVESTIGATE BECAUSE HE'S
INVESTIGATE BECAUSE HE'S PROTECTED.
PROTECTED. SO WE GOT TO FORCE THEM TO DO
SO WE GOT TO FORCE THEM TO DO IT.
IT. AND THE UKRAINE, THEY'RE
AND THE UKRAINE, THEY'RE INVESTIGATING IT AND BLOCKED IT
INVESTIGATING IT AND BLOCKED IT TWICE.
TWICE. SO WHAT THE PRESIDENT WAS.
SO WHAT THE PRESIDENT WAS. [ INAUDIBLE ]
[ INAUDIBLE ] YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T KEEP DOING
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T KEEP DOING THIS.
THIS. YOU HAVE TO INVESTIGATE THIS.
YOU HAVE TO INVESTIGATE THIS. AND THEY SAY IT WILL AFFECT THE
AND THEY SAY IT WILL AFFECT THE 2020 ELECTION.
2020 ELECTION. >> THEY SAY IT WILL AFFECT THE
>> THEY SAY IT WILL AFFECT THE 2020 ELECTION.
2020 ELECTION. WE GOT TO GET THEM TO
WE GOT TO GET THEM TO INVESTIGATE IT.
INVESTIGATE IT. WHAT DO YOU THINK, DANNY?
WHAT DO YOU THINK, DANNY? >> IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE HE'S
>> IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE HE'S JUSTIFYING ALL OF HIS ARGUMENTS
JUSTIFYING ALL OF HIS ARGUMENTS OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS TO
OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS TO HIMSELF.
HIMSELF. LIKE HE'S LOOKING IN THE MIRROR
LIKE HE'S LOOKING IN THE MIRROR AND SAYING THIS IS WHY WE DID
AND SAYING THIS IS WHY WE DID THIS, RIGHT?
THIS, RIGHT? SOUNDS TO ME AS IF HE'S SAYING,
SOUNDS TO ME AS IF HE'S SAYING, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A STRETCH,
I DON'T THINK THIS IS A STRETCH, THAT THE PROTECTED PEOPLE WERE
THAT THE PROTECTED PEOPLE WERE THE BIDENS AND ALL WE WERE DOING
THE BIDENS AND ALL WE WERE DOING WAS ASKING THEM TO INVESTIGATE
WAS ASKING THEM TO INVESTIGATE PEOPLE WHO WERE BEING PROTECTED
PEOPLE WHO WERE BEING PROTECTED IMPROPERLY AND WE WERE LOOKING
IMPROPERLY AND WE WERE LOOKING INTO CORRUPTION ANYWAY.
INTO CORRUPTION ANYWAY. JUST SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF
JUST SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF SELF-JUSTIFICATION.
SELF-JUSTIFICATION. WHAT STANDS OUT TO ME IS REALLY
WHAT STANDS OUT TO ME IS REALLY BUILDING ON WHAT FRANK SAID, IF
BUILDING ON WHAT FRANK SAID, IF HE'S DOING THIS ACCIDENTALLY TO
HE'S DOING THIS ACCIDENTALLY TO REPORTERS, WHO ELSE IS HE DOING
REPORTERS, WHO ELSE IS HE DOING THIS TO, AND TO WHAT DEGREE
THIS TO, AND TO WHAT DEGREE COULD HE POSSIBLY BE ACTING AS
COULD HE POSSIBLY BE ACTING AS AN ATTORNEY IN ONE SENSE, AS A
AN ATTORNEY IN ONE SENSE, AS A DIPLOMAT IN HIS OWN MIND IN
DIPLOMAT IN HIS OWN MIND IN ANOTHER SENSE OR AS A PRIVATE
ANOTHER SENSE OR AS A PRIVATE BUSINESS PERSON?
BUSINESS PERSON? IF THERE'S AN ADDED ELEMENT OF
IF THERE'S AN ADDED ELEMENT OF WHETHER HIS INCOME, HE'S
WHETHER HIS INCOME, HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE RECEIVING OR NOT
SUPPOSED TO BE RECEIVING OR NOT RECEIVING IT, WHAT DOES IT MEAN
RECEIVING IT, WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN HE SAYS WE NEED THIS MONEY?
WHEN HE SAYS WE NEED THIS MONEY? THERE'S SO MANY X FACTORS IN
THERE'S SO MANY X FACTORS IN HERE, BUT THAT LAST CLIP REALLY
HERE, BUT THAT LAST CLIP REALLY TENDED TO SHOW ME THAT THERE'S A
TENDED TO SHOW ME THAT THERE'S A LOT OF JUSTIFICATION GOING ON,
LOT OF JUSTIFICATION GOING ON, THAT MAYBE HE DOESN'T EVEN
THAT MAYBE HE DOESN'T EVEN BELIEVE HIMSELF.
BELIEVE HIMSELF. >> I WANT TO KNOW, DO YOU THINK
>> I WANT TO KNOW, DO YOU THINK SDNY INVESTIGATORS ARE GOING TO
SDNY INVESTIGATORS ARE GOING TO WANT THAT PHONE CALL, THOSE TWO
WANT THAT PHONE CALL, THOSE TWO PHONE CALLS?
PHONE CALLS? >> I DO BECAUSE IT COULD BE
>> I DO BECAUSE IT COULD BE VIEWED AS A STATEMENT AGAINST
VIEWED AS A STATEMENT AGAINST SELF-INTEREST.
SELF-INTEREST. IT COULD BE VIEWED AS A KIND OF
IT COULD BE VIEWED AS A KIND OF ADMISSION THAT I KNEW THIS WOULD
ADMISSION THAT I KNEW THIS WOULD AFFECT THE 2020 ELECTION AND
AFFECT THE 2020 ELECTION AND WE'RE ASKING FOR IT ANYWAY.
WE'RE ASKING FOR IT ANYWAY. >> WHAT ABOUT WILLIAM BARR
>> WHAT ABOUT WILLIAM BARR GETTING THE DOJ TO INVESTIGATE
GETTING THE DOJ TO INVESTIGATE ITSELF?
ITSELF? >> OH, MY.
>> OH, MY. SO IT'S VERY DISTURBING.
SO IT'S VERY DISTURBING. AT BEST IT REFLECTS THE FACT
AT BEST IT REFLECTS THE FACT THAT THEY BELIEVE THEY'RE
THAT THEY BELIEVE THEY'RE FINDING SOMETHING CRIMINAL.
FINDING SOMETHING CRIMINAL. BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU, KATY,
BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU, KATY, WHEN YOU TELL CIA OFFICERS AND
WHEN YOU TELL CIA OFFICERS AND ANALYSTS THAT THEY'RE FACING
ANALYSTS THAT THEY'RE FACING CRIMINAL EXPOSURE BECAUSE OF THE
CRIMINAL EXPOSURE BECAUSE OF THE WORK THEY DID IN FURTHERANCE OF
WORK THEY DID IN FURTHERANCE OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY, GUESS
THE NATIONAL SECURITY, GUESS WHAT HAPPENS.
WHAT HAPPENS. THEY GET LAWYERS AND REFUSE TO
THEY GET LAWYERS AND REFUSE TO COOPERATE.
COOPERATE. SO WE'RE ABOUT TO FACE A
SO WE'RE ABOUT TO FACE A SPECTACLE.
SPECTACLE. THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, LOOK AT
THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, LOOK AT THESE PEOPLE, THEY LAURA UP.
THESE PEOPLE, THEY LAURA UP. IS THIS A DELIBERATE STRATEGY TO
IS THIS A DELIBERATE STRATEGY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
MAKE THAT HAPPEN. >> FORGIVE ME MORE ASKING FRANK
>> FORGIVE ME MORE ASKING FRANK ONE MORE QUESTION.
ONE MORE QUESTION. WHOOING THE DOJ WOULD SEND SDNY
WHOOING THE DOJ WOULD SEND SDNY MORE MONEY?
MORE MONEY? >> ON THE RUDY GIULIANI
>> ON THE RUDY GIULIANI INVESTIGATION?
INVESTIGATION? IT'S GETTING COMPLICATED TO THE
IT'S GETTING COMPLICATED TO THE POINT WHERE PEOPLE ARE THINKING
POINT WHERE PEOPLE ARE THINKING THEY'RE GOING TO CLAIM EXECUTIVE
THEY'RE GOING TO CLAIM EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE BY EXTENSION.
PRIVILEGE BY EXTENSION. WE HEARD RUDY'S ASSOCIATES THROW
WE HEARD RUDY'S ASSOCIATES THROW AROUND THE IDEA THAT THEY WERE
AROUND THE IDEA THAT THEY WERE BY PROXY --
BY PROXY -- >> LIKE THE MICHAEL COHEN CASE?
>> LIKE THE MICHAEL COHEN CASE? >> EXACTLY A TAINTING, A FILTER
>> EXACTLY A TAINTING, A FILTER TEAM THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO
TEAM THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER ANYONE CAN
FIGURE OUT WHETHER ANYONE CAN CLAIM PRIVILEGE HERE.
CLAIM PRIVILEGE HERE. >> I DON'T SEE THE WORD AROUND
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