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  • ALWAYS APPRECIATE YOU COME

  • IN.

  • >> YOU BET.

  • >> Martha: HERE TO RESPOND

  • REPUBLICAN JUDICIARY MEMBER

  • MATT GAETZ FROM FLORIDA WITH

  • THIS SIDE OF THE EQUATION.

  • YOUR RESPONSE TO WHAT YOU

  • JUST HEARD FROM CONGRESSMAN

  • SWALWELL FIRST OF ALL?

  • >> I THINK IT WAS A TOUGH

  • DAY FOR DEMOCRATS IN THE

  • HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.

  • THEY THOUGHT BRINGS US INTO

  • THE FACULTY LOUNGE OF

  • AMERICA'S LAW SCHOOLS WOULD

  • SOMEHOW MOTIVATE AMERICANS

  • TO SUPPORT AN IMPEACHMENT

  • THAT THEY HAVEN'T TO LARGE

  • PART OVER THE LAST THREE

  • WEEKS DEMOCRATS HAVE SEEN

  • PUBLIC OPINION FOR THEIR

  • IMPEACHMENT EFFORT DIMINISH.

  • NOT ENHANCE.

  • AND I DON'T THINK YOU SAW

  • ANYTHING TODAY THAT IS GOING

  • TO HELP THEM IN THAT REGARD.

  • >> Martha: YOU KNOW, ONE OF

  • THE THINGS THAT I THINK WAS

  • KIND OF AN INTERESTING

  • MOMENT HERE AND IT MAY SEEM,

  • YOU KNOW, SORT OF, YOU

  • CALLED IT MEAN AND I'M GOING

  • TO PLAY YOUR RESPONSE IN A

  • SECOND, WAS WHEN WE HEARD

  • FROM PROFESSOR CARLIN

  • TALKING ABOUT HOW THE

  • PRESIDENT ISN'T A KING.

  • AND THEN SHE MADE SORT OF A

  • INSIDE REMARK ABOUT BARRON

  • TRUMP, THE PRESIDENT'S SON.

  • AND YOU CAME BACK AT HER

  • WITH THIS.

  • WATCH.

  • >> WHEN YOU INVOKE THE

  • PRESIDENT'S SON'S NAME HERE,

  • WHEN YOU TRY TO MAKE A

  • LITTLE JOKE OUT OF

  • REFERENCING BARRON TRUMP,

  • THAT DOES NOT LEND

  • CREDIBILITY TO YOUR

  • ARGUMENT.

  • IT MAKES YOU LOOK MEAN.

  • IT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE YOU

  • ARE ATTACKING SOMEONE'S

  • FAMILY.

  • THE MINOR CHILD OF THE

  • PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

  • STATES.

  • >> Martha: SHE LATER

  • APOLOGIZED FOR THAT BUT I

  • THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, BEYOND

  • THE OBVIOUS, YOU KNOW,

  • INSENSITIVITY OF WHAT SHE

  • SAID, IS THAT IT REVEALED

  • EMOTION.

  • AND I THINK IT STARTED TO

  • UNRAVEL AS WE WENT THROUGH

  • THE AFTERNOON IN TERMS OF

  • WHERE THESE PROCESS SOLAR

  • CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLARS WERE

  • COMING FROM.

  • >> THESE WERE NOT

  • DISPASSIONATE PEOPLE.

  • THEY ARE ADVOCATES.

  • AS I POINTED OUT THE

  • DEMOCRAT WITNESSES, THE

  • MAJORITY OF THEM ARE DONORS

  • TO DEMOCRATIC CAMPAIGNS.

  • THEY HAVE WRITTEN

  • EXTENSIVELY ABOUT

  • IMPEACHMENT.

  • EVEN HAD THE GENTLEMAN FROM

  • HARVARD WRITING ARTICLES

  • THAT THE PRESIDENT SHOULD BE

  • IMPEACHED FOR CRITICIZING

  • CNN, FOR PARDONING SHERIFF

  • JOE ARPAIO AND FOR SEVERAL

  • OF HIS TWEETS ABOUT WIRETAP

  • TAPPING IT.

  • SEEMS AS THOUGH THERE WOULD

  • HAVE BEEN NO IMPEACHMENT

  • THEORY THAT THEY WOULDN'T

  • HAVE SUPPORTED.

  • >> Martha: LET'S PLAY THIS

  • FROM THE HARVARD LAW

  • PROFESSOR NOAH FELDMAN ON

  • THE ABUSE OF POWER, WHICH

  • WAS REALLY THE THRUST OF

  • THEIR ARGUMENT TODAY.

  • WATCH.

  • THIS HIGH CRIMES AND

  • MISDEMEANORS ARE ABUSES OF

  • POWER AND OF PUBLIC TRUST

  • CONNECTED TO THE OFFICE OF

  • THE PRESIDENCY.

  • ON THE BASIS OF THE

  • TESTIMONY AND THE EVIDENCE

  • BEFORE THE HOUSE, PRESIDENT

  • TRUMP HAS COMMITTED

  • IMPEACHABLE HIGH CRIMES AND

  • MISDEMEANORS.

  • BY CORRUPTLY ABUSING THE

  • OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY.

  • >> Martha: ALL RIGHT.

  • SO LOOKING AT IT FROM THE

  • DEMOCRATS' PERSPECTIVE

  • INTEREST FOR A MOMENT HERE,

  • THEY LOOK AT YOUR LINE OF

  • QUESTIONING AND SAY YEAH, SO

  • WHY DIDN'T YOU DEFEND THE

  • PRESIDENT ON THIS ISSUE OF

  • ABUSE OF POWER.

  • YOU SPENT MOST OF YOUR TIME

  • GOING AFTER THEM AS

  • PARTISANS AND TRYING TO

  • UNDERMINE THEIR ARGUMENT

  • THAT WAY.

  • BUT YOU DIDN'T TRY TO

  • DISMANTLE THEIR ARGUMENT

  • THAT THE PRESIDENT ABUSED

  • HIS POWER.

  • WHY NOT?

  • >> BECAUSE I ONLY HAD 5

  • MINUTES, MARTHA.

  • BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS

  • LOT OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT

  • THE PRESIDENT'S REASONABLE

  • AND WELL-FOUNDED SUSPICION

  • THAT THERE WAS CORRUPTION IN

  • THE UKRAINE.

  • I THINK THE BEST EVIDENCE

  • PROBABLY CAME FROM GEORGE

  • KENT WHO SAID THAT BURISMA

  • WAS SO CORRUPT THAT OUR

  • EMBASSY HAD TO PULL OUT OF A

  • PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP

  • TO AVOID ANY ASSOCIATION

  • WITH THEM.

  • IN FACT, THE OBAMA

  • ADMINISTRATION WAS SO

  • CONCERNED ABOUT HUNTER

  • BIDEN'S ASSOCIATION WITH

  • BURISMA THAT WHEN THEY WERE

  • PREPPING AMBASSADORS FOR

  • SENATE CONFIRMATION, THEY

  • HAD TO SPEND SPECIAL TIME ON

  • THEIR.

  • I WOULD SUGGEST THAT

  • PROFESSOR FELDMAN'S ARGUMENT

  • WOULD BE MORE CREDIBLE IF HE

  • WASN'T SO WILLING TO

  • REFLECTIVELY SUPPORT

  • IMPEACHMENT IN EVERY CASE OF

  • LEGITIMATE EXERCISE OF

  • PRESIDENTIAL POWER.

  • >> Martha: I JUST THOUGHT IT

  • WAS INTERESTING.

  • YOU KNOW, I WAS SITTING

  • THERE WATCHING MOST OF THE

  • COVERAGE TODAY.

  • AND I SAW VERY LITTLE IN

  • TERMS OF AN EFFORT ON THE

  • PART OF REPUBLICANS TO TRY

  • TO DISMANTLE THEIR ARGUMENTS

  • ON SUBSTANCE.

  • >> I MADE SUBSTANTIVE

  • ARGUMENTS.

  • I REFERENCED IN MY FIVE

  • MINUTES THE TESTIMONY OF

  • TAYLOR OF HALE OF VINDMAN OF

  • HILL AND I POINTED OUT WHERE

  • A LOT OF THE UNDERGIRDING OF

  • THE ARGUMENT THAT THIS HAD

  • BEEN AN ABUSE WAS NOT BASED

  • ON FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE.

  • IT WAS BASED ON PEOPLE'S

  • PERCEPTION AND BELIEF WHAT

  • WAS GOING ON AROUND THEM.

  • NOT WHAT THEY HAD WITNESSED

  • AND OBSERVED.

  • >> Martha: AND THE SCHEDULE,

  • FROM WHAT WE ARE HEARING

  • FROM ERIC SWALWELL, WE WILL

  • NEVER HEAR FROM ANYBODY WHO

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