BREAKING.

WE NOW HAVE BRAND-NEW

TRANSCRIPTS IN THE CLOSED-DOOR

INTERVIEWS AND DEPOSITIONS THAT

DEMOCRATS AND A FEW REPUBLICANS

HELD WITH WITNESSES AND THE

DEMOCRATS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.

SO MUCH LIKE YESTERDAY, IT IS

RELEASED ONLINE.

SO WE ARE ALL TAKING TO OUR

DEVICES AND TRYING TO CATCH UP

QUICKLY.

WE HAVE EXCERPTS FIRST FROM THE

JOINT INTERVIEW WITH KURT

VOLKER, SPECIAL REPRESENTATIVE

FOR UKRAINE, NEGOTIATIONS

CONDUCTED ON OCTOBER 3RD.

HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE

ON INTELLIGENCE HOUSE COMMITTEE

ON OVERSIGHT AND REFORM, SO ON

AND SO FORTH.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT STATEMENT?

NO ONE WHEN WE STARTED USING A

TEMPO OF ENGAGEMENT WITH

UKRAINE, WE HAD FIRST THE SENSE

THAT RUDY GIULIANI IS NOT GOING

TO BE CONVINCED THAT IT MEANT

ANYTHING.

IT FEELS OUT OF CONTEXT, I WANT

TO GO TO YOU, JUDY, BECAUSE WE

ARE JUST READING IT AS IT IS

HAPPENING.

>> I DON'T EXPECT TO HEAR

ANYTHING THAT IS INCONSISTENT

WITH WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY HEARD,

AND THAT IS EVERYTHING THAT WE

HAVE HEARD SUPPORTS THE

TESTIMONY OR THE STATEMENT OF

THE WHISTLE-BLOWER, AND KURT

VOLKER IS A VERY IMPORTANT

FIGURE IN THIS.

AND I THINK THAT HIS NAMING OF

RUDY GIULIANI IS BEING

EFFECTIVELY THE SHADOW FOR

ADMINISTER, THE SHADOW SECRETARY

OF STATE.

>> Harris: THIS IS TORN FROM

PAGES 226-227.

THERE ARE SEVERAL HUNDRED LIKE

WE SAID.

NOT EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE WITH

THAT ASSESSMENT, BUT SOME SAY

THAT IT REALLY BOLSTERS THE

PRESIDENT.

>> IT DOES BOLSTER THE PRESIDENT

POLITICALLY TO SOME EXTENT.

LOOK, THEY ARE LEAKING THIS

STUFF OUT IN DRIPS AND DROPS.

>> Harris: WHEN YOU SAY

THEY --

>> THE DEMOCRATS.

TALKING ABOUT A RUN OF THE MILL

INVESTIGATION OF THE

STATE DEPARTMENT, WE ARE TALKING

ABOUT THE IMPEACHMENT BECAUSE OF

ABOUT THE IMPEACHMENT BECAUSE OO

ABOUT THE IMPEACHMENT BECAUSE OF

THE PRESIDENT OF THE

UNITED STATES.

THE FACT THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE

GOING TO TRY TO GO THROUGH WITH

AN IMPEACHMENT PROCESS THAT IS

SIMPLY LEAKING MATERIAL OUT LIKE

THIS AND SPUN BY THE PRESS

BECAUSE THEY LEAK OUT THE WORST

PIECES OF THE CONVERSATIONS.

I THINK FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE

SITTING OUT THERE, IT BOLSTERS

THE VIEW THAT IT IS NOT A

LEGITIMATE PROCESS.

>> Harris: PAGES 226-227,

INTENDED TO PURSUE ALLEGATIONS

BY AMBASSADOR VOLKER, WARNING

RUDY GIULIANI THAT HE WAS NOT

CREDIBLE.

HE SAID IN HIS DEPOSITION, SO I

HAD LEARNED THROUGH THE MEDIA

THAT HE WAS GOING TO GO TO

UKRAINE, AND HE WAS INTENDING TO

PURSUE THESE ALLEGATIONS.

AND HE WAS GOING TO INVESTIGATE

THESE THINGS.

I REACHED OUT TO HIM TO BRIEF

HIM.

A COUPLE OF KEY POINTS, NOT

CREDIBLE.

DON'T LISTEN TO WHAT HE IS

SAYING.

YOU TOLD RUDY GIULIANI THAT THE

STINKO IS NOT CREDIBLE?

YES, I DID.

JUDY.

>> ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE VOLKER

TRYING TO WALK THIS VERY FINE

LINE BETWEEN WHAT HE KNOWS IS

HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO THE

UNITED STATES.

AND WHAT HE KNOWS RUDY GIULIANI

WANTS FROM HIM, AND THE

PRESIDENT PRESUMABLY, AN

INVESTIGATION OF THE PRESIDENT'S

DEMOCRATIC RIVAL.

>> Harris: I WANT TO JUMP IN

THERE, BECAUSE I DON'T HEAR THE

PRESIDENT'S NAME IN THIS

PARADIGM VERY BASIC.

SO WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE

ASSUMING OR PRESUMABLY RUDY

GIULIANI IS WORKING ON BEHALF OF

THE PRESIDENT, THAT'S NOT WHAT

THE DEPOSITION ON THE PAGE AS

FAR INTO THIS.

YOU HAVE TO READ THE WHOLE

THING, AND WE WILL.

>> THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS WITNESS

SAYS.

THAT'S WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID.

>> WE KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT

DID HAVE THE PHONE CONVERSATION

WITH PRESIDENT ZELENSKY OF

UKRAINE.

>> Harris: THE PRESIDENT

RELEASED THE CALL RECORD.

>> THAT'S RIGHT, BUT HOW CLOSELY

THE PRESIDENT IS TIED TO THE

EVENTS IS AN OPEN INVESTIGATION.

>> Harris: BUT SUCH DIRE

CIRCUMSTANCES OF IMPEACHING THE

PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?

>> IT IS A WORTHY POLITICAL

ISSUE, IF THEY WANT TO VOTE FOR

OR AGAINST HIM ON THIS NEXT