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MARIA:
WELCOME BACK.
I AM BACK WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
PERSONAL ATTORNEY, FORMER NEW
YORK CITY MAYOR RUDY GIULIANI.
THERE ARE TESTIMONIES THAT ARE
GOING TO BE COMING.
WE KNOW THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE
LOOKING FOR BILL BARR TO RECUSE
HIMSELF.
THEY ARE LOOKING TO SUBPOENA,
THEY HAVE SUBPOENAED SECRETARY
OF STATE MIKE POMPEO.
HAVE YOU GOTTEN SUBPOENAED?
ARE YOU EXPECTING TO TESTIFY?
WHAT'S NEXT?
>> I HAVE NOT BEEN SUBPOENAED.
WHEN I AM OR IF THEY CALL ME AND
ASK ME IF I'LL TESTIFY
VOLUNTARILY, I'LL TALK ABOUT
THAT WITH MY CLIENTMENT THEY
TREAT PRESIDENT TRUMP AS IF HE
HAS NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.
I'M HIS ATTORNEY.
THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED
ATTORNEY/CLIENT PRIVILEGE THAT
HAS TO BE CONSIDERED EVEN IF
THEY DON'T THINK HE SHOULD HAVE
ATTORNEY/CLIENT PRIVILEGE.
WOULD I BE WILLING TO EXPLAIN
THIS OPENLY, DO DID ANYBODY DO
ANYTHING WRONG HERE?
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
THE ONLY THING DONE WRONG HERE
IS THE COVER-UP OF THESE CHARGES
FOR THREE YEARS THAT ARE VERY,
VERY SERIOUS.
THESE ARE VERY SERIOUS CHARGES,
AND THEY'RE BACKED UP BY SWORN
AFFIDAVITS, AND THEY'RE ONLINE.
AND THE WASHINGTON PRESS CORPS
TRYING TO PROTECT A BIDEN LIKE
THEY PROTECTED CLINTON THE, AND
BEYOND THAT THE PATTERN A
PATTERN OF PAY FOR PLAY.
IT INCLUDES SOMETHING VERY
SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED AT THE
CLINTON FOUNDATION WHICH GOES TO
THE VERY CORE OF WHAT DID OBAMA
KNOW AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT.
IN DECEMBER OF 2015, "THE NEW
YORK TIMES"ES WROTE AN ARTICLE,
SCATHING CRITICISM OF BIDEN FOR
PUTTING HIS SON IN THIS
CONFLICTED POSITION AND
COMPROMISING HIS ABILITY TO DEAL
WITH CORRUPTION.
WHICH, BY THE WAY, SHOULD BE A
CONCERN -- WAIT, WAIT, SHOULD BE
A CONCERN OF A FUTURE PRESIDENT.
QUESTION IS WHEN BIDEN AND OBAMA
SAW THAT ARTICLE ABOUT HOW THE
SON WAS PULLING DOWN MONEY FOR
THE MOST CROOKED OLIGARCH IN
RUSSIA, DID OBAMA CALL BIDEN IN
AND SAY, JOE, HOW COULD YOU BE
DOING THIS?
MARIA: YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT THE REALITY IS THAT THE
DEMOCRATS HAVE THE MATTER IN THE
HOUSE.
THAT MEANS THEY HAVE SUBPOENA
POWER, THAT MEANS THEY ARE
RUNNING THE SHOW.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT
THEM?
THE FACT THAT THERE WAS
WRONGDOING DONE IN EARLY 2016,
THEY DON'T -- THEY'RE REFUSING
TO LOOK AT.
>> IT WOULD BE NICE IF I SAY TO
MY FELLOW REPUBLICAN, IT WOULD
BE NICE INSTEAD OF ATTACKING ME,
THE MESSENGER, WITHOUT KNOWING
WHAT REALLY IS INVOLVED, IF
YOU'D GIVE ME THE BENEFIT OF THE
DOUBT BEFORE YOU ATTACK ME, AND
YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT I HAVE.
MARIA: RIGHT.
>> HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT DON'T --
WE HAVE HEARINGS?
I MEAN, SUPPOSE IT WAS ALLEGED
THAT DONALD TRUMP JR. GOT $8
MILLION FROM A CROOKED OLIGARCH
IN UKRAINE?
HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR THE
DEMOCRATS TO INVESTIGATE US?
AND HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR
"THE WASHINGTON POST" AND THE
NEW YORK TIMES TO HAVE GLARING
HEADLINES?
UNTIL WE CURE THAT, WE'RE GOING
TO BE A DIVIDED COUNTRY.
MARIA: YEAH.
>> AND UNTIL OUR REPUBLICAN
FRIENDS REALIZE THAT WE'RE
REALLY NOT IN BAD FAITH, THAT
THIS IS REALLY SERIOUS AND THAT
I AM CONCERNED AS I HAVE BEEN
FROM THE TIME I WAS AN ASSISTANT
U.S. ATTORNEY, I FIND THE SALE
OF PUBLIC OFFICE TO BE
DISGUSTING.
AND THEY WEREN'T HIRING HUNTER
BIDEN.
THERE WERE A HUNDRED REASONS WHY
THEY WEREN'T HIRING HIM
INCLUDING THE FACT THAT HE'S A
TROUBLED YOUNG MAN WHO SHOULDN'T
HAVE BEEN PUT IN THAT POSITION.
THEY WERE BUYING JOE BIDEN, AND
IF HE DIDN'T SEE THAT, THEN HE'S
BLIND.
AND IF OBAMA DIDN'T DEAL WITH
IT, THEN HE'S -- IT'S NOT THE
KIND OF PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP
IS WHO TAKES ARTICLE II, SECTION
MARIA: I'M BACK WITH RUDY
GIULIANI.
DID PRESIDENT TRUMP HOLD BACK
AID TO UKRAINE BECAUSE HE WANTED
THEM TO INVESTIGATE JOE BIDEN
AND HIS SON?
>> ISN'T THE BEST ANSWER TO THAT
THE TELEPHONE CONVERSATION?
ALTHOUGH THE DEMOCRATS SAID THAT
BEFORE IT CAME OUT, AND SCHIFF
PRETENDED THAT IT DID, LOOK AT
THE TRANSCRIPT.
IS THERE ANY MENTION OF MILITARY
AID?
NO.
DID HE HOLD BACK THE AID?
NO.
MARIA: DID YOU WORK WITH
OTHER --
>> I HAVE NEVER, IN MY
DISCUSSION --
MARIA: DID YOU WORK WITH OTHER
LAWYERS TO TRY TO GET DIRT ON
JOE BIDEN?
>> NO.
I DIDN'T WORK WITH ANYBODY TO
TRY TO GET DIRT ON JOE BIDEN.
THE DIRT ON JOE BIDEN WAS HANDED
TO ME BY THE UKRAINIANS, AMAZED
THAT THE FBI HADN'T ASKED FOR
THIS A YEAR EARLIER, COMPLETELY
SHOCKED AND WORRIED THAT OUR
SYSTEM OF JUSTICE WAS FLAWED.
BECAUSE JOE BIDEN ANNOUNCED IT
PUBLICLY.
AND IF YOU'RE A LAWYER AT ALL,
WHAT JOE BIDEN ANNOUNCED WAS HE
OFFERED SOMETHING OF VALUE, $1.2
BILLION LOAN GUARANTEE, IN ORDER
TO GET THE PROSECUTOR TO TAKE
OFFICIAL ACTION -- THAT'S THE
CRIME OF BRIBERY -- AND THE
MOTIVE IS IF YOU AT LEAST
INTERVIEW THE GUY TO COFFER UP
THE -- COVER UP THE CASE ON HIS
SON.
THERE WERE ALSO, BY THE WAY, I I
BELIEVE THREE OTHER AFFIDAVITS
OF DIFFERENT PROSECUTORS, SOME
OF THEM NOT FRIENDLY TO THIS
PROSECUTOR --
MARIA: RIGHT.
>> SAYING THE SAME THING.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE
INVESTIGATIONS FOR.
MARIA: BUT, RUDY, THE BOTTOM
LINE IS YOU'RE NOT GETTING THAT
ON THE DEMOCRAT SIDE, AND THEY
ARE IN CHARGE.
>> I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE
DEMOCRATS.
MARIA: WHAT DO YOU NEED TO DO TO
GET --
>> I CARE ABOUT THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE.
MARIA: BUT THEY KNOW WHAT'S
GOING ON --
>> WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO?
MARIA: WHERE ARE THE
INDICTMENTS?
WHERE ARE THE PROSECUTIONS FOR
THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DID
WRONGDOING IN THE 2016
ELECTIONS?
>> THAT'S A VERY GOOD --
MARIA: HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO BILL
BARR ABOUT THIS?
WHERE IS IT?
>> THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION,
AND THAT'S THE QUESTION WE
SHOULD KEEP ASKING.
AND THE REALITY IS BEFORE THEY
START CRITICIZING ME, THE
QUESTION SHOULD BE WHAT HAVE
THEY DONE ABOUT IT?
WHERE'S THE REPUBLICAN SENATE
INVESTIGATING EXTREMELY SERIOUS
CHARGES ABOUT THE FORMER VICE
PRESIDENT?
WHO I KNOW IS A MEMBER OF THE
CLUB, BUT MEMBERS OF THE CLUB
DON'T GET TO PUT SONS IN
POSITIONS -- PUT THEIR SONS IN
POSITIONS WHERE THEY MAKE
MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND
MILLIONS WHERE YOU HAVE TO BE AN
IDIOT NOT TO KNOW THE SON WAS
TRADING ON THE FATHER'S PUBLIC
OFFICE.
MARIA: YEAH.
>> THAT IS DISGUSTING.
MARIA: I'VE BEEN ASKING THE
QUESTION ABOUT CHINA FOR A LONG
TIME NOW, THE FACT THAT HUNTER
BIDEN GOT $1.5 BILLION FROM THE
BANK OF CHINA AFTER HE TOOK THAT
RIDE ON AIR FORCE TWO --
>> NOW, CHINA I HAVE TO SAY I
DIDN'T INVESTIGATE.
I DON'T HAVE THE AFFIDAVITS.
HERE I HAVE ALL THE PROOF.
MARIA: YEP.
>> WHAT I UNDERSTAND ABOUT CHINA
IS HE WAS ACTUALLY IN A
PARTNERSHIP WITH THE BANK OF
CHINA AND WITH WHITE KEY
BULGER'S NEPHEW.
IF THE REPUBLICANS DON'T HAVE
ENOUGH COURAGE TO INVESTIGATE
THAT, WE'RE NOT REALLY EVEN
REPRESENTING THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE.
THE OVERRIDING REASON FOR DOING
THIS IS IF A VICE PRESIDENT DID
THIS AND COMPROMISED US IN CHINA
AND IN UKRAINE --
MARIA: YEP.
>> YOU KNOW, THE CHINESE
GOVERNMENT KNOWS WHY THEY GAVE
THE MONEY.
THEY WEREN'T HIRING HUNTER
BIDEN'S EXPERTISE.
THEY WERE BUYING JOE BIDEN.
FINISH AND, BY THE WAY, FOR THE
PRICE OF THAT, THEY ALSO GOT
JOHN KERRY'S STEPSON.
MARIA: YEAH, NO, I KNOW CHINA'S
WAYS, AND WE REPORTED THAT OVER
AND OVER.
I UNDERSTAND.
>> BECAUSE HE'S ONE OF OUR GUYS,
HE'S PART OF THE CLUB.
MARIA: YOU MADE YOUR POINTS.
RUDY GIULIANI, THANK YOU.
>> THERE'S A PATTERN HERE OF PAY
FOR PLAY, AND I'M NOT GOING TO
BE SILENT ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY
INTIMIDATE ME.
THEY CAN INTIMIDATE ME ALL THEY
WANT, AND THE REALITY IS --
MARIA: YEAH.
>> -- THIS IS BECAUSE I
REPRESENT THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES, I WANT TO SHOW
THAT HE'S INNOCENT.
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