>> Tucker: IMPEACHMENT IS

SUDDENLY ON THE TOP OF CONGRESS'

AGENDA SO WHO BETTER TO TALK TO

ABOUT THAT THAN THE FORMER

SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE

NEWT GINGRICH?

HE WAS AT THE CENTER OF THE

BILL CLINTON IMPEACHMENT SAGA

MORE THAN 20 YEARS AGO, HE JOINS

US TONIGHT.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR COMING ON.

I'M SORRY COME AFTER YOU.

>> I THINK THERE ARE HUGE

DIFFERENCES FROM THE STANDPOINT

OF THE DEMOCRATS, THIS IS A

REALLY BAD DECISION.

GIVEN OUR OWN EXPERIENCE, WE HAD

A MUCH STRONGER HAND IN AN

INDEPENDENT COUNSEL REPORT THAT

SAID CLINTON WAS GUILTY ON

NUMEROUS COUNTS INCLUDING

FELONIES -- WHAT THEY ARE DOING

NOW MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL AND I

THINK WILL PROBABLY POLITICALLY

BE VERY DAMAGING.

>> Tucker: THAT'S THE WAY IT

SEEMS TO LESSER POLITICAL MINDS

LIKE MINE, IT'S HARD TO SEE WHY

THEY ARE DOING THIS BUT THEY

ARE.

THEY'VE CLEARLY THOUGHT IT

THROUGH TO SOME EXTENT, NOT ALL

OF THEM ARE STUPID.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THE REASONING

IS HERE?

>> I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU

GET INTO A ROOM, SURROUNDED BY

YOUR PARTISANS, YOU ONLY LISTEN

TO YOURSELF.

YOU ONLY LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO

ARE SENDING YOU MONEY.

THE LEFT WING OF THE

DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND

"THE NEW YORK TIMES" WAKES UP

EVERY MORNING AND SAYS WE KNOW

DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE SOMETHING

TERRIBLE, I WONDER WHAT IT IS,

THE MOMENTUM, THE MORALE, THE

EXCITEMENT AND EVERY SINGLE

STORY BECOMES THE NEXT

OPPORTUNITY, THE NEXT

BREAKTHROUGH.

THIS ONE VERGES ON

"SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE" IN BEING

PATHETIC.

NANCY PELOSI WHO WAS NORMALLY A

VERY SMART, SHREWD, TOUGH

PROFESSIONAL GOES RUNNING OUT TO

HOLD A PRESS CONFERENCE WHEN SHE

HAS NOT READ THE TRANSCRIPT.

SHE HAS NOT INTERVIEWED THE

SO-CALLED WHISTLE-BLOWER, SHE

HAS NO IDEA WHAT THE FACTS ARE.

IT'S THE MOMENTUM EMOTIONALLY OF

WHERE THEY ARE AT.

I THINK IT'S VERY HARD FOR THEM

TO BACK OFF OF A VERY BASIC

REALITY WHICH YOU KNOW AND

YOU'VE COVERED, I'VE SEEN YOU

TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT IT

BRILLIANTLY -- THEY HATE TRUMP.

THEY GET UP IN THE MORNING AND

THEY GO I KNOW HE'S DONE

SOMETHING TERRIBLE, WHAT IS IT?

BY THE WAY, THIS IS

"THE NEW YORK TIMES" FULLY AS

MUCH AS IT IS AOC OR

NANCY PELOSI OR WHATEVER.

WHAT HAPPENED THIS WEEK IS THEY

GOT OVERLY EXCITED, THEY DECIDED

TO DO SOMETHING TRULY STUPID AND

I'VE SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN, I

THINK WHAT PELOSI HAS DONE IS

DESTROYED BIDEN'S CANDIDACY

BECAUSE SHE IS GOING TO BRING SO

MUCH ATTENTION TO HUNTER BIDEN

AND UKRAINE AND HUNTER BIND IN

CHINA AND I DON'T THINK

JOE BIDEN CAN SURVIVE IT.

>> Tucker: I THINK THAT IS

EXACTLY RIGHT.

YOU HAD A LOT OF TIME TO THINK

ABOUT THIS AND YOU ARE ONE OF

THE WORLD'S EXPERTS ON THE

POLITICAL EFFECTS OF IMPEACHMEN

IMPEACHMENT.

THERE'S NOT MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE

ACTUALLY DONE THIS, YOU'RE ONE

OF THEM.

WHAT IS THE ADVICE YOU WOULD

GIVE FOR THE LESSONS YOU LEARNED

FROM THAT THAT DEMOCRATS ARE TO

REMEMBER?

AS THEY PROCEED ON THEIR OWN

IMPEACHMENT PATH.

>> IT'S VERY INTERESTING, I LOOK

BACK ON MISTAKES WE MADE DURING

THAT PERIOD.

I REMEMBER JIMMY BRESLIN WROTE A

BOOK CALLED HOW THE GOOD GUYS

FINALLY WON, IT WAS ABOUT TIP

O'NEILL AND THE WATERGATE CRISI

CRISIS.

O'NEILL WAS SMARTER THAN EITHER

NANCY PELOSI OR NEWT GINGRICH

BECAUSE O'NEILL SAID I'M NOT

GOING TO BE OUT FRONT, I DON'T

WANT IT TO BE PARTISAN.

IF IT'S PARTISAN, IT'S DEAD.

O'NEILL WAS VERY PATIENT, VERY

SLOW, AND GUARANTEED THAT IT

BECAME A BIPARTISAN PROJECT IN

1973.

I WAS NOT ABLE TO DO THAT FOR A

LOT OF REASONS AND I FRANKLY, MY

HAT IS OFF TO TIP O'NEILL

BECAUSE HE GOT IT BETTER THAN I

DID.

PELOSI IS IN WORSE SHAPE THAN I

AM IN.

I WAS UNDER THE PRESSURE THAT

WHEN THE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL

REPORT CAME OUT, IT SAID

BILL CLINTON AS GUILTY AS THIS,

HE IS GUILTY OF THIS, SEVEN

PLACES WHERE THEY SAID HE'S

GUILTY.

WE HAVE NO PLACE FOR ANYBODY

INDEPENDENTLY HAS SAID

DONALD TRUMP IS GUILTY OF

ANYTHING.

FURTHERMORE IN 1998, WHERE HE

HAD COMMITTED A FELONY OR HE WAS

STRIPPED OF HIS LICENSE TO

PRACTICE LAW IN ARKANSAS, HE DID

HAVE TO PAY A HUGE AMOUNT TO THE

WOMAN THAT HE HAD ASSAULTED, PUT

ALL THAT TO ONE SIDE.

WE NEVER HAD THE SITUATION WHERE

OUR PARTY'S FRONT RUNNER IN THIS

CASE VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN

HAS A DOUBLE VULNERABILITY IN

BOTH UKRAINE AND CHINA AND WHAT

PELOSI IS DOING IS SHE'S

ELEVATING PUBLIC ATTENTION AND

RAPIDLY THEY'RE GOING TO GO PAST

TRUMP TO FOCUS ON BIDEN AND I

THINK IT'S GOING TO DESTROY HIS

CANDIDACY.

>> Tucker: THIS IS AN AMAZING

FACT, THIS IS THE 25TH

ANNIVERSARY OF THE CONTRACT WITH

AMERICA.

YOU HAVE A FOX NATION SPECIAL

LOOKING BACK AT IT, THE FIRST

EPISODE LAUNCHES TONIGHT.

TELL US WHAT THE SPECIAL IS LIK

LIKE?

>> LET ME SAY FIRST OF ALL I WAS

AT DINNER TONIGHT WITH TWO YOUNG

PEOPLE WHO WERE BORN THAT YEAR

AND I WAS SITTING THERE TALKING

TO 225-YEAR-OLDS REALIZING THIS

WAS 25 YEARS AGO WE DID THIS.

I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE BIG

LESSONS AND PEOPLE WHO WATCH THE

SPECIAL OR GO TO FOX NATION TO

WATCH THE FULL PACKAGE WILL

LEARN A LOT.

FIRST, IT ENDED A 40 YEAR

PERIOD, 40 YEARS IN WHICH THE

DEMOCRATS WERE IN CHARGE OF THE

HOUSE.

SECOND, IT PROVED YOU COULD

ACTUALLY HAVE AN IDEA ORIENTED

BIG PROPOSAL, THE CONTRACT HAD

WELFARE REFORM, TAX CUTS,

BALANCE THE BUDGET, A LOT OF

IDEAS THAT WERE REAL THAT COULD

WORK, AND THIRD, COURAGEOUS

TEAMWORK MATTERS.

I THINK YOU SEE PEOPLE WERE

THERE AT THE TIME MADE A HUGE

DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED

IN THE COUNTRY.

THEY KNEW AFTER 40 YEARS THIS

WAS UPHILL AND ALL OF THE

POPULAR OPINION WAS THAT IT WAS

HOPELESS, WE WEREN'T GOING TO

MAKE IT, YOU COULDN'T IMAGINE

IT, EVEN AS LATE AS THE WEEKEND

BEFORE THE ELECTION, NOBODY IN

THE NEWS MEDIA THOUGHT WE'D WIN.

THE FACT WAS WE BROKE A 40 YEAR

TRADITION OF DEMOCRATIC CONTROL

AND IT HAS CHANGED POWER IN

WASHINGTON DRAMATICALLY.

WE GOT MAJOR REFORMS.

>> Tucker: I'LL NEVER FORGET,