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THIS HATRED, OUR COUNTRY WILL
SUFFER.
>> Martha: JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
CHAIRMAN, SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM
WAS THERE THEN AND HE JOINS US
HERE NOW.
TONIGHT.
WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT THAT,
SENATOR, IT SOUNDS QUITE
FAMILIAR IN THE REVERSE.
IT WHAT YOU MAKE OF
NANCY PELOSI'S MOVE HERE?
>> WHAT I WOULD ASK HER TO DO IS
ALLOW THE HOUSE TO VOTE ON
WHETHER OR NOT THERE SHOULD BE
AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.
ONE MONTH BEFORE THE 1998
ELECTION, WE HAD A VOTE IN THE
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WERE 31
DEMOCRATS VOTED WITH ALL THE
REPUBLICANS TO OPEN AN INQUIRY
INTO THE IMPEACHMENT OF
PRESIDENT CLINTON.
HE WAS EVENTUALLY DENIED LAW
LICENSE FOR FIVE YEARS AND FINED
BY THE COURT BECAUSE OF
MISCONDUCT, BUT THE ONE THING I
DO BELIEVE AMERICA DESERVES THIS
FOR EVERY MEMBER OF THE HOUSE TO
AGREE TO VOTE AS TO WHETHER OR
NOT THEY AGREE THERE SHOULD BE
AN INQUIRY OF IMPEACHMENT BASED
ON THIS TRANSCRIPT.
>> Martha: OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE
GOING TO MAKE THIS KIND OF
CHARGE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF
THEY WERE WILLING --
>> IF I COULD JUST ADD THIS.
I DON'T THINK SHE HAS THE POWER
TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO OPEN AN
IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY BY HERSELF.
I THINK EVERY MEMBER OF THE
HOUSE SHOULD DO WHAT WE DID IN
1998, VOTE.
I CAN TELL YOU JOE CUNNINGHAM,
WHO SEEMS LIKE A FINE FELLOW, IS
REPRESENTED IN THE CONGRESSIONAL
DISTRICT IN SOUTH CAROLINA, THE
CHARLESTON AREA ALONG THE COAST
AND I THINK YOU SHOULD BE
REQUIRED TO VOTE AS TO WHETHER
OR NOT HE BELIEVES THE PRESIDENT
HAS COMMITTED AN IMPEACHABLE
OFFENSE.
>> Martha: BUT IN TERMS OF
NANCY PELOSI, THE PRESIDENT SAID
THAT HE DOESN'T THINK SHE'S THE
SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE ANYMORE.
HE'S SUGGESTING THAT SHE'S NOT
IN POWER, THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE
THE ABILITY TO CONTROL HER
CAUCUS, THAT SHE'S BEEN OVERRUN
BY THIS MOMENTUM THIS EMOTION,
WHICH HE POINTED OUT BACK IN
1998 WAS HAPPENING, ON SHE
BELIEVES THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.
>> I THINK IT'S TRUE HERE THAT
THEY WANTED TO IMPEACH TRUMP THE
DAY HE GOT ELECTED.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE IN
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHO HATE
HIS GUTS AND ARE JUST AFTER HIM
EVERY MINUTE, 24 HOURS A DAY,
BUT SHE IS KIND OF HOW THOSE
PEOPLE AT BAY.
HERE'S WHAT DISAPPOINTS ME SO
MUCH.
SHE'S TALKING ABOUT ARTICLES OF
IMPEACHMENT BASED ON A PHONE
CALL THE TRANSCRIPT WHICH HE HAD
NOT READ.
SHE HAD MADE UP HER MIND BECAUSE
SHE'S LOST CONTROL.
A WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT IS
HEARSAY HERE.
THE WHISTLE-BLOWER WAS NOT ON
THE PHONE CALL.
THEY HEARD ABOUT THE PHONE CALL
FROM SOMEBODY ELSE AND I WANT TO
KNOW WHO INFORMED THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER ABOUT THE PHONE
CALL, BUT THE FACT THAT
NANCY PELOSI WOULD ARGUE FOR
IMPEACHMENT BEFORE SHE READ THE
TRANSCRIPT TELLS ME THAT SHE HAS
LOST CONTROL.
>> Martha: IS INTERESTING,
BECAUSE YOU SAY THERE WERE 30
SOME DEMOCRATS --
>> 31.
>> Martha: 31 WHO VOTED WITH
REPUBLICANS FOR THAT IMPEACHMENT
MOVE, THE ARTICLES OF
IMPEACHMENT AND NOW SOME OF YOUR
COLLEAGUES ARE SAYING THAT THEY
BELIEVE THERE'S THAT NUMBER OF
REPUBLICANS IN THE SENATE WHO
WOULD DO THE SAME THING NOW.
MITT ROMNEY SPOKE OUT ABOUT THAT
HE SAID IT REMAINS TROUBLING IN
THE EXTREME, IT'S DEEPLY
TROUBLING ABOUT THE TRANSCRIPTS,
HE TOLD REPORTERS ON WEDNESDAY
WHEN HE WAS ASKED ABOUT IT.
HERE'S MIKE MURPHY.
HE SAYS THAT IF THERE WERE A
SECRET VOTE, 30 G.O.P. SENATORS
WOULD VOTE TO IMPEACH.
WATCH THIS.
>> ONE REPUBLICAN SENATOR TOLD
ME IF IT WAS A SECRET VOTE, 30
REPUBLICAN SENATORS WOULD VOTE
TO IMPEACH TRUMP.
>> Martha: BEN SASSE ALSO
SPEAKING OUT JUST TO PUT THIS
TOGETHER.
REPUBLICANS OUGHT NOT TO BE
CIRCLING THE WAGONS TO SAY THERE
IS NO THERE THERE WHEN THERE'S
OFFICE THE LIFE THAT'S
TROUBLING.
YOUR THOUGHTS?
>> I LIKE THE SENATOR A LOT, BUT
HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SAY TO
ANYBODY.
THIS PHONE CALL WAS BILLED AS AN
ATTEMPT BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES TO SHAKE UKRAINE
DOWN, TO THREATEN TO WITHHOLD
MILITARY AID AND ASSISTANCE TO
THE UKRAINE UNLESS THE PRESIDENT
OF THE UKRAINE OPENED AN
INVESTIGATION AGAINST HIS
POLITICAL OPPONENT.
IF YOU READ THIS TRANSCRIPT,
THAT'S THE FURTHEST THING FROM
THE TRUTH.
THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
I READ THE PHONE CALL TRANSCRIP
TRANSCRIPT.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CONGRATULATED THE
UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT ON HIS WON,
SAID WE'VE BEEN VERY GENEROUS TO
THE UKRAINE.
GERMANY AND OTHER PEOPLE OUGHT
TO PAY MORE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE
WITHHOLDING AID AND HE DID SAY,
CORRUPTION IS A PROBLEM IN YOUR
COUNTRY.
THEY FIRED THIS PROSECUTOR, I
HEARD HE WAS A PRETTY GOOD JOB
AT ONE OF THE REASON HE FIRED
WAS BECAUSE JOE BIDEN CALLED FOR
THEM TO BE FIRED AND HIS SON WAS
SITTING ON THE BOARD OF A
COMPANY BEING INVESTIGATED BY
THE PROSECUTOR.
THAT TIMMY IS IS NOT A QUID PRO
QUO.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH
POINTING OUT A CONFLICT.
JOE BIDEN THREATENED TO CUT OFF
AID TO THE UKRAINE UNLESS THEY
FIRED A PROSECUTOR WHO WAS
LOOKING CASES INVOLVING A
COMPANY'S SON WAS RECEIVING
$50,000 A MONTH -- THE POINT I'M
TRYING TO MAKE HERE IS THERE IS
NO "THERE" THERE.
YOU CAN BE TROUBLED ALL OF YOU
WOULD LIKE BUT IF THIS IS AN
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE, THIS PHONE
CALL, GOD HELP THE NEXT PERSON
TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES.
>> Martha: JUST TO BE
SPECIFIC, WITH THE PRESIDENT
SAID IN A CALL AS BIDEN STOPPED
THE PROSECUTION AND A LOT OF
PEOPLE WANT TO FIND OUT ABOUT
THAT, SO WHATEVER YOU CAN DO
WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WOULD
BE GREAT.
BIDEN WENT AROUND BRAGGING THAT
HE HAD STOPPED THE PROSECUTION,
SO IF YOU CAN LOOK INTO IT, IT
SOUNDS HORRIBLE TO ME.
THAT DOES NOT TROUBLE YOU?
GIVEN THE FACT THAT -- VERY
LIKELY RUN AGAINST JOE BIDEN IN
A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
>> IT TROUBLES ME THAT
JOE BIDEN, THE VICE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES, THREATENED TO
CUT OFF AID TO THE UKRAINE
WITHOUT DISCLOSING A CONFLICT.
THERE WAS A LETTER SENT BY
DEMOCRATIC SENATORS IN MAY 2018
THREATENING THE UKRAINE TO CUT
OFF AID IF THEY DID NOT
INVESTIGATE TRUMP.
YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR A LOT MORE
ABOUT THIS CONFLICT.
A QUID PRO QUO IS IF YOU DO NOT
DO WHAT I WANT, I'M GOING TO
PUNISH YOU.
READ THIS TRANSCRIPT.
NO RATIONAL PERSON WOULD
CONCLUDE THAT THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES WAS
THREATENING TO CUT OFF AID TO
THE UKRAINE UNLESS THEY DID
SOMETHING AGAINST JOE BIDEN AND
HIS SON.
THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THERE
WAS A CONFLICT REGARDING THE
FIRING OF THE PROSECUTOR AND IF
IT HAD BEEN A REPUBLICAN WHO HAD
DONE THIS, IT WOULD BE FRONT
PAGE NEWS --
>> Martha: WHAT ARE YOU GOING
TO DO ABOUT THAT?
I KNOW RON JOHNSON -- ARE YOU
GOING TO OPEN AN INVESTIGATION
INTO JOE BIDEN AND HIS SON'S
INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS
ACTIVITIES?
>> I LIKE JOE BIDEN, HE'S A GOOD
FRIEND OF MINE, I REALLY
HONESTLY DO LIKE HIM, BUT
SOMEBODY HAS TO LOOK AT THIS
CONFLICT AND I WOULD LIKE
SOMEBODY OUTSIDE OF POLITICS.
I DON'T WANT TO TURN THE SENATE
INTO THE CIRCUS WITH THE HOUSE
HAS BECOME.
REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE TOLD THAT
TRUMP WAS COLLUDING WITH THE
RUSSIANS, SCHIFF HAD HIM DEAD TO
RIGHTS.
I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY WOULD TALK
ABOUT IMPEACHING THIS PRESIDENT
BASED ON THE TRANSCRIPT OF THIS
PHONE CALL.
THERE IS NO "THERE" THERE.
>> Martha: WHAT HE MEANT
SOMEONE ON THE OUTSIDE TO
INVESTIGATE?
YOU WANT AN INDEPENDENT
INVESTIGATOR?
INDEPENDENT PROSECUTOR?
WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT?
>> I WANT SOMEBODY TO LOOK AT
WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A
CONFLICT OF INTEREST INVOLVED IN
JOE BIDEN ASKING FOR THE UKRAINE
AND PROSECUTOR TO BE FIRED.
I WANT SOMEBODY TO LOOK AT
WHETHER OR NOT THE 1.5 BILLION
GIVEN TO THE HUNTER BIDEN
PRIVATE EQUITY ACCOUNT FROM
CHINA WAS ON THE UP AND UP.
>> Martha: I GOT YOU, I'M JUST
ASKING WHO YOU THINK THAT
SOMEBODY SHOULD BE.
YOUR COMMITTEE, FOR EXAMPLE,
SHOULD IT BE IN THE GOVERNMENT?
>> I DON'T WANT TO TURN MY
COMMITTEE INTO A ZOO LIKE THE
HOUSE.
I THINK THESE ARE SERIOUS
PROBLEMS -- I'M NOT ACCUSING
ANYBODY OF WRONGDOING.
I'M ACCUSING THE SYSTEM OF
LOSING ITS WAY HERE.
SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LOOK AT THESE
ALLEGATIONS.
TRUMP HAS BEEN LOOKED AT EVERY
WAY YOU CAN BE LOOKED AT.
HE'S BEEN LOOKED AT FOR YEARS BY
MUELLER.
SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LOOK AT THE
CONFLICT OF INTEREST HERE AND AT
THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU
BELIEVE THIS IS AN IMPEACHABLE
OFFENSE OR TROUBLING, DO
SOMETHING ABOUT IT, TO MY HOUSE
COLLEAGUES.
YOU OWE IT TO AMERICAN PEOPLE TO
VOTE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU
BELIEVE THIS IS AN IMPEACHABLE
OFFENSE.
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Graham on his takeaways from Trump's Ukraine phone call

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林宜悉 2019 年 10 月 26 日 に公開
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