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  • EVERYBODY, I AM

  • MARTHA MacCALLUM AND THAT IS

  • WHERE THE STORY BEGINS.

  • HERE IS HOW GENERAL JACK KEANE

  • AND FORMER DEFENSE SECRETARY

  • LEON PANETTA SEE THE SITUATION

  • PLAYING OUT IN THE WAKE OF LAST

  • WEEKEND'S ATTACK ON THE SAUDI

  • OIL FIELDS.

  • >> IF WE DON'T ACT, OR IF WE

  • DON'T ACT STRONG ENOUGH, IT'S

  • GUARANTEED THAT IRAN WILL

  • CONTINUE.

  • >> I THINK IT IS GOING TO DEMAND

  • SOME KIND OF RESPONSE.

  • THE IRANIANS WOULD RESPOND TO

  • THAT KIND OF STRIKE BY ATTACKING

  • OUR FORCES IN THE REGION.

  • SO WE COULD SEE A WAR.

  • >> Martha: PRESIDENTIAL

  • CANDIDATE TULSI GABBARD HERE IN

  • MOMENTS THINKS THAT THAT ADVICE

  • WOULD BE A GRAVE MISTAKE AND SHE

  • CRITICIZES THE PRESIDENT FOR

  • THIS TWEET WHICH SAYS THAT THE

  • U.S. "LOCKED AND LOADED" AND

  • THAT WE ARE WAITING TO HEAR FROM

  • THE SAUDI KINGDOM AS TO WHO THEY

  • BELIEVED WAS THE CAUSE OF THIS

  • ATTACK AND UNDER WHAT TERMS WE

  • WOULD PROCEED.

  • THAT WAS FROM THE OTHER DAY.

  • SO THEN AFTER THAT,

  • SECRETARY POMPEO MADE IT CLEAR

  • THAT THE UNITED STATES BELIEVES

  • THAT IT WAS IRANIAN WEAPONS THAT

  • WERE USED -- THERE IS PICTURE IN

  • "THE NEW YORK POST" TODAY, AND

  • THAT THE ATTACK CAME FROM THE

  • NORTH, NOT FROM THE SOUTH, WHERE

  • THE REBELS IN YEMEN ORIGINALLY

  • CLAIMED RESPONSIBILITY.

  • TULSI GABBARD DID NOT MINCE

  • WORDS.

  • IF SHE HAS FIRED BACK AT THE

  • PRESIDENT ON TWITTER THIS WAY.

  • >> FOR YOU TO THINK THAT YOU CAN

  • OUT OUR PROUD SERVICEMEN AND

  • WOMEN TO THE PRINCE OF

  • SAUDI ARABIA IS DISGRACEFUL.

  • YOUR WORDS AND ACTIONS ARE OF A

  • TRAIL OF MY AND SISTERS IN

  • UNIFORM, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE,

  • AND OUR CONSTITUTION.

  • MY FELLOW SERVICE MEMBERS AND I,

  • WE ARE NOT YOUR PROSTITUTES.

  • YOU ARE NOT OUR PIMP.

  • >> Martha: THOSE ARE OBVIOUSLY

  • VERY STRONG WORDS DIRECTED AT

  • THE PRESIDENT, THE COMMANDER IN

  • CHIEF.

  • CONGRESSWOMAN, DO YOU STAND BY

  • THOSE?

  • >> ABSOLUTELY, I DO.

  • TRUMP'S INTENT WAS MADE VERY

  • CLEAR WITH THAT TWEET.

  • AS A SOLDIER, I TOOK AN OATH AS

  • WELL AS AS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS.

  • AS A SOLDIER I TOOK AN OATH TO

  • SUPPORT AND DEFEND OUR

  • CONSTITUTION, TO PROTECT AND

  • DEFEND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

  • NOT THE KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA,

  • NOT ANY OTHER FOREIGN POWER.

  • IF, FOR SOME REASON, THAT'S NOT

  • WHAT TRUMP MEANT, THEN HE SHOULD

  • COME OUT AND SAY THAT'S NOT WHAT

  • I MEANT AND CLARIFY IT, BUT HE

  • HASN'T DONE THAT.

  • >> Martha: IT DOES SEEM LIKE A

  • RATHER LITERAL INTERPRETATION

  • AND I DON'T KNOW, SO PERHAPS

  • THAT IS WHAT HE MEANT, BUT LET'S

  • LISTEN TO WHAT THE PENTAGON SAID

  • TODAY BECAUSE I THINK THAT THIS

  • MIGHT SHED SOME LIGHT ON SORT OF

  • WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM.

  • WATCH THIS.

  • >> WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW THE

  • SAUDIS TO MAKE THE DECLARATIONS

  • ON WHERE THEY BELIEVE THE

  • ATTACKS CAME FROM AND ULTIMATE

  • RESPONSIBILITY.

  • >> Martha: WHEN I READ IT,

  • THAT WAS MORE THE TAKE THAT I

  • HAD ON IT, THAT THIS IS AN

  • ALLY -- AND ANOTHER YOU DON'T

  • AGREE THAT THIS IS A GOOD ALLY,

  • BUT SOMETIMES NOT ALL ALLIES ARE

  • PERFECT, IT'S HONESTLY VERY

  • COMPLICATED RELATIONSHIP, BUT

  • THAT BECAUSE THE ATTACK WAS ON

  • THEM, THERE WOULD BE DISCUSSIONS

  • ABOUT WHERE IT CAME FROM AND

  • THEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW WE

  • WOULD RESPOND.

  • NOT THAT WE WOULD TAKE ORDERS

  • FROM SAUDI ARABIA ABOUT HOW WE

  • WOULD RESPOND.

  • >> WHILE A COUPLE OF POINTS HER

  • HERE.

  • FIRST OF ALL I THINK TRUMP'S

  • TWEET WAS VERY CLEAR AND IF HE

  • DIDN'T MEAN WHAT HE SAID THAT HE

  • SHOULD CLARIFY AND ACTUALLY SAY

  • WHAT HE MEANS.

  • AS PRESIDENT OF THE

  • UNITED STATES, YOU HAVE TO BE

  • VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THE WORDS ARE

  • USING BECAUSE THEY CARRY A LOT

  • OF IMPACT.

  • SECONDLY, THIS IS ABOUT

  • SOMETHING BIGGER THAN JUST A

  • COMPLEX RELATIONSHIP WITH

  • SAUDI ARABIA OR HAVING AN ALLY

  • WHO IS NOT PERFECT.

  • WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A COUNTRY

  • THAT IS CONTINUING TO DIRECTLY

  • AND INDIRECTLY SUPPORT AL QAEDA.

  • WE JUST DESERVED AN 18TH

  • ANNIVERSARY OF THE DAY THAT

  • AL QAEDA ATTACKED US ON 9/11,

  • THE DATE OF THAT EVIL VISITED

  • OUR COUNTRY, KILLING THOUSANDS

  • OF AMERICANS.

  • SO I DON'T TAKE LIGHTLY PEOPLE

  • WHO SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW,

  • SAUDI ARABIA, THEY ARE NOT THAT

  • GREAT, BUT WE NEED THEM.

  • LOOK, SAUDI ARABIA IS CONTINUING

  • TO SUPPORT OUR ENEMY, AL QAEDA,

  • IN PLACES LIKE YEMEN AND SYRIA.

  • >> WHAT THEY WERE DOING EVERY

  • ARE SPENDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS

  • TO PROPAGATE THIS EXTREME

  • IDEOLOGY THAT'S FUELING

  • TERRORIST GROUPS LIKE ISIS AND

  • AL QAEDA.

  • >> Martha: A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO

  • AGREE WITH YOU AND THERE ARE A

  • LOT OF PEOPLE WHO PROBABLY

  • DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT ALSO TAKE

  • YOUR POINTS TO HEART IN TERMS OF

  • THAT EXPO NATION, BUT THERE ARE

  • ALSO PEOPLE WHO LOOK BACK AT THE

  • THINGS THAT YOU HAVE SAID IN THE

  • PAST AND SORT OF SEE THAT THERE

  • ARE KIND OF TWO CAMPS IN THE

  • MIDDLE EAST, THAT YOU HAVE IRAN

  • AND SYRIA WITH THE BACKING OF

  • RUSSIA AND THAT YOU HAVE THE

  • UNITED STATES AND ISRAEL AND THE

  • SAUDI ARABIA AND THE UAE.

  • THEY SEE YOU MORE IN THE CAMP

  • THAT IS ON THE SIDE OF IRAN AND

  • SYRIA AND THEY QUESTION THAT,

  • CONGRESSWOMAN, WHAT DO YOU SAY

  • TO THEM?

  • >> THERE WRONG.

  • THERE WRONG.

  • I'M NOT AN ANY OF THOSE

  • DIFFERENT CAMPS, I AM IN ONE

  • CAMP AND ONE CUP ALONE AND IT'S

  • THE CAMP OF THE UNITED STATES OF

  • AMERICA AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

  • AND I TOOK AN OATH AND I

  • PROMISED TO BE WILLING TO PUT MY

  • LIFE ON THE LINE TO SERVE AND

  • PROTECT OUR COUNTRY, TO PROTECT

  • THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTRY, SO

  • THAT IS MY SOLE FOCUS.

  • IT HAS BEEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO

  • BE.

  • >> Martha: WE ADMIRE THAT AND

  • WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

  • TO LIVE.

  • I GUESS THE NEXT QUESTION IS,

  • WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

  • WITHOUT ENORMOUS PROVOCATION

  • FROM IRAN.

  • THEY HAVE PUT EXPLOSIVES ON

  • TANKERS.

  • THEY SHOT DOWN A DRONE THAT WAS

  • $130 MILLION BY SOME REPORTS,

  • AMERICAN DRONE, THEY'VE TAKEN

  • SAILORS INTO CUSTODY.

  • SO WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND?

  • >> I THINK WE GOT TO LOOK AT THE

  • SITUATION FOR WHAT IT IS.

  • THIS PROVOCATION, AS REPORTED,

  • DID NOT JUST COME FROM OUT OF

  • NOWHERE.

  • IT IS A RETALIATION AND IT'S A

  • RETALIATION AGAINST THE EXTREME

  • SANCTIONS THAT ARE ON IRAN.

  • IT'S BASICALLY MAKING IT

  • IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO SELL

  • THEIR OIL AROUND THE WORLD SO WE

  • JUST GOT TO BE CLEAR RIGHT ABOUT

  • WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING AND

  • HOW -- IF WE CONTINUE DOWN THIS

  • COURSE, THIS PATH WE ARE ON, I

  • THINK YOU HEARD FORMER SECRETARY

  • PINEDA ALLUDE TO THIS, THAT WE

  • WILL SEE A CYCLE OF RETALIATION

  • TIT FOR TAT JUST CONTINUING TO

  • GO FORWARD AND ESCALATE

  • ECONOMICALLY TO AN INFERNO.

  • >> Martha: WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

  • >> AS PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW WHAT I

  • WOULD DO IS REENTER THE IRAN

  • NUCLEAR DEAL TO PREVENT IRAN

  • FROM CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD

  • AND BUILDING A NUCLEAR WEAPON

  • THAT PUTS US AND THE WORLD

  • FURTHER AT RISK, AND NUMBER TWO,

  • AND THOSE CRIPPLING SANCTIONS.

  • >> Martha: THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT

  • THEY WANT.

  • >> EVERY DAY THAT WE DON'T DO

  • THIS, EVERY DAY WE CONTINUE DOWN

  • THIS FAILED STRATEGY, IRAN GETS

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