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BREAK YOUR ARM.
GOOD LESSON FOR EVERYBODY.
STEVE: BRING YOUR DAUGHTER
TO DANCE DAY: LET'S BRING
IN MOLLIE HEMMINGWAY SENIOR
EDITOR OF THE FEDERALIST AND
GIGGLING DURING THAT STORY
OF SEAN SPICER.
>> I VOTED FOR SEAN 10 TIMES
LAST NIGHT.
BRIAN: I THOUGHT SO.
MOLLIE, HOW DID YOU HAVE THE
FREE TIME WHAT DID YOU THIS
WEEKEND LEGITIMATELY ALL
REALISTICALLY CHANGED THE
DIRECTION OF A STORY.
BEFORE YOU GOT INVOLVED ALL
THESE PRESIDENTIAL
CANDIDATES WERE CALLING FOR
IMPEACHMENT OF JUSTICE
KAVANAUGH.
>> IT SHOWS THE IMPORTANCE
OF ACTUALLY KNOWING WHAT YOU
ARE TALKING ABOUT.
I WAS ABLE TO READ THAT
BOOK.
I KNEW THEY HAD LEFT OUT THE
MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF
INFORMATION AND THEY SHOULD
HAVE INCLUDED IT IN THEIR
STORY.
THERE IS NO DEFENSE FOR NOT
INCLUDING THE FACT THAT
THEIR SUPPOSED ALLEGATION
AGAINST KAVANAUGH WAS BASED
ON A FALSE PREMISE.
THE WOMAN INVOLVED SAID SHE
HAD NO RECOLLECTION OF IT.
AINSLEY: I THOUGHT WHAT WAS
MOST IMPORTANT THIS WEEKEND
YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THOSE
WRITERS AND WHY THEY LEFT
CERTAIN INFORMATION OUT.
THEY HAD AN EXPLANATION.
TWO WOMEN FROM THE "NEW YORK
TIMES" WROTE THIS ARTICLE
BASED ON THAT BOOK.
ROBIN AND THEN KATE KELLY.
HERE IS ROBIN SPEAKING ABOUT
WHAT WAS TAKEN OUT OF HER
ORIGINAL ARTICLE, SHE SAYS.
LISTEN.
>> WE HAD HER NAME.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE "TIMES"
DOESN'T USUALLY INCLUDE THE
NAME OF THE VICTIM.
>> RIGHT.
>> SO I THINK IN THIS CASE
THE EDITORS FELT LIKE MAYBE
IT WAS BETTER TO REMOVE IT.
IN REMOVING HER NAME THEY
REMOVED THE OTHER REFERENCE
TOUT FACT THAT SHE DIDN'T
REMEMBER.
I THINK IT WAS AN EDITING
DONE IN THE HASTE IN THE
EDITING PROCESS.
>> WERE YOU INVOLVED IN THE
DECISION TO AMEND THIS AND
DO THE CORRECTION, THE
ADDITION ONLINE TO THE
PIECE.
>> WE FELT THERE WAS SO MUCH
HEAT.
EVERYONE HAS BEEN SEETHING
ON VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THIS
WE DIDN'T WANT THIS TO BE AN
ISSUE ANYMORE.
WE NEVER INTENDED TO MISLEAD
IN ANY WAY.
AINSLEY: THEY NEVER INTENDED
TO MISLEAD AND EDITORS WERE
ACTING IN HASTE.
THEY HAPPENED TO FORGET TO
PUT IN HER FRIENDS -- THEY
ACTUALLY TOOK IT OUT HER
FRIENDS SAID THEY HAD NO
RECOLLECTION OF THE EVENTS.
SHE DECLINED TO BE
INTERVIEWED AND THE FEMALE'S
NAME.
>> YES.
I DO AGREE THAT THE EDITORS
ARE ALSO REPORTERS.
NOT JUST THE REPORTERS.
REALLY THE ENTIRE
INSTITUTION IS TO BLAME.
THEY SHOULDN'T JUST PASS IT
OFF ON THE REPORTERS.
HAVING SAID THAT IN NPR
INTERVIEW THAT AIRED
YESTERDAY THESE REPORTERS
DID THE EXACT SAME THING.
THEY MADE IT SOUND LIKE THEY
HAD A CREDIBLE STORY ABOUT A
WOMAN AND THEY HID THE FACT
THAT THE WOMAN DNGED IT EVER
HAPPENED.
BRIAN: REALLY?
I DID NOT KNOW THAT.
>> YOU CANNOT BLAME THAT ON
EDITORS.
HOUR LONG INTERVIEW.
PLENTY OF TIME TO DISCUSS
IT.
BRIAN: DUMPING ON THE
OPINION EDITOR OF THE
OPINION SECTION OF THE
"TIMES" I PUT IT IN THERE
AND THEY CUT IT OUT ON
HASTE.
SELLING THAT ANGLE.
REPORT TODAY THE "NEW YORK
TIMES" NEWS SECTION WALKED
AWAY FROM THE STORY.
THEY SAID THERE WASN'T
ENOUGH IN IT.
THAT'S HOW IT ENDED UP IN
THE OPINION SECTION.
"THE WASHINGTON POST" SAID
WE HAD A YEAR AGO.
NOT ENOUGH THERE TO PRINT
IT.
WHAT DOES THAT SAY TO YOU?
>> WELL, I MEAN, I THINK
THAT'S OBVIOUS THAT THERE IS
NOT ENOUGH THERE TO GO INTO
A NEWS SECTION.
AND IT REALLY SAYS SOMETHING
ABOUT WHAT THEIR STANDARDS
WERE IN REPORTING THIS.
NOW, I RECENTLY WROTE A BOOK
ON THE KAVANAUGH
CONFIRMATION JUSTIFIABLE ON
TRIAL.
WE INTERVIEWED MORE THAN 100
PEOPLE.
WE GOT ALL OF OUR FACTS
RIGHT.
WE'LL DIDN'T TRAFFIC IN
GOSSIP.
AND WE TOLD THE ACCURATE
STORY OF WHAT HAPPENED.
SO I KNOW IT CAN BE DONE.
AND THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR
HOW THEY DID THIS.
STEVE: YOU KNOW, MOLLIE
THOUGH, THIS GIVES
AMMUNITION TO THE PRESIDENT
AND THE PRESIDENT'S
SUPPORTERS TO SAY HEY, LOOK,
THE "NEW YORK TIMES," THEY
ARE OUT TO GET ME AND MY
GUYS.
>> I MEAN, YES.
IT DOES GIVE AMMUNITION
BECAUSE IT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE
THAT THEY ARE RUNNING SOME
KIND OF CAMPAIGN AGAINST
THIS MAN AND THAT THEY ARE
UNWILLING TO LET IT GO.
EVEN THOUGH THEY DID CORRECT
THEIR STORY TO ADMIT THAT
THE ENTIRE PREMISE WAS
FALSE, THEY KEPT GOING
YESTERDAY.
THEY ARE STILL RUNNING
STORIES ABOUT IMPEACHMENT,
WHICH IS REALLY AN ABSURD
IDEA.
AT SOME POINT DECENT PEOPLE
ARE GOING TO HAVE TO STAND
UP AGAINST.
THIS IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT
NO ONE HAS BEEN HELD
ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT'S BEEN
DONE TO THIS MAN.
NO ONE ON THE SENATE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WAS HELD
ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR
VIOLATION OF NORMS.
ATTORNEYS WHO LIED TO THEIR
CLIENTS WERE NOT HELD
ACCOUNTABLE.
CRIMINAL REFERRALS SENT TO
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
FOR FALSE STATEMENT.
NO ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN ON
THEM.
AND THE MEDIA KEEPS BEING
ALLOWED TO CONTINUE IN THIS
SMEAR CAMPAIGN.
I THINK DECENT PEOPLE,
REGARDLESS OF THEIR POLITICS
ARE JUST LOOKING AT THIS AND
SAYING IS THERE NO END TO
THIS?
WHEN WILL THEY STOP?
STEVE: MOLLIE, TO ONE OF
YOUR LAST POINTS, THE
CRIMINAL REFERRALS THAT WERE
MADE TO THE DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE, PEOPLE WHO, YOU
KNOW, SUPPOSEDLY WERE NOT
FACTUAL IN THEIR TESTIMONY,
YOU KNOW, IS THERE NO
CONSEQUENCE FOR LYING IN
FRONTS OF CONGRESS?
>> APPARENTLY NOT.
BECAUSE THOSE REFERRALS WERE
MADE AND THERE IS NO
INDICATION OF ANY ACTION.
I ACTUALLY PUT IN.
STEVE: WHY IS THAT?
>> I ACTUALLY REQUESTED TO
FIND OUT FROM THE DEPARTMENT
OF JUSTICE IF ANY ACTION HAD
BEEN TAKEN AND HAVE NOT
HEARD BACK OF ANY ACTION
TAKEN.
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE
BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR
MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS.
BUT NOT JUST THE PEOPLE WHO
MADE FALSE STATEMENTS BUT
PEOPLE WHO TRAFFICKED IN
THEM.
THERE WERE SENATORS WHO
VIOLATED COMMITTEE NORMS AND
PROCEDURES.
THERE IS A NEW CHAIRMAN OF
THAT COMMITTEE, LINDSEY
GRAHAM, HE DID A REALLY
INTERESTING THING DURING THE
HEARING.
HE SAID SOMETHING THAT
PEOPLE FOUND REALLY
INTERESTING.
ABOUT NO ACTION HAS BEEN
TAKEN.
THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS YOU
COULD BE DOING TO
INVESTIGATE JUST HOW THAT
LETTER LEAKED OR WHY PEOPLE
VIOLATED NORMS AND
PROCEDURES.
THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT
TO DO.
BRIAN: DO YOU KNOW WHAT
THEY'RE FOCUSING ON NOW IN
THE FBI DIDN'T DO A THOROUGH
INVESTIGATION EXTRA TWO
WEEKS BEFORE THEY VOTED.
REMEMBER WHEN FLAKE GOT
TOGETHER WITH COONS AND THEY
DECIDED TO NOT VOTE AND PUT
IT OFF FOR A WEEK?
NOW THAT'S THE FOCUS.
>> THEY ARE ACTUALLY SAYING
THAT SOMEONE SHOULD BE
IMPEACHED BECAUSE THE FBI
DIDN'T INVESTIGATE A
SITUATION WHERE A WOMAN SAYS
SHE WAS NOT THE VICTIM OF
ANY CRIME THAT DOESN'T MAKE
ANY SENSE.
THERE SHOULD BE TOUGH
QUESTIONS TO PEOPLE WHO EVEN
MAKE THAT SOUND LIKE THAT'S
A LEGITIMATE THING TO DO.
I REALIZE IT WAS DIFFICULT
FOR A CERTAIN GROUP OF
PEOPLE TO LOSE THE 2016
ELECTIONS.
BUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE
INTERVENES YEARS IS A TEMPER
TANTRUM THAT REFUSES TO
ACCEPT THAT REALITY WHETHER
IT'S THE RUSSIA HOAX OR THE
KAVANAUGH HOAX OR WHATEVER
THE NEXT HOAX IS GOING TO
BE.
SO PEOPLE NEED TO BE HELD
ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THEY
PERPETRATE THESE KIND OF
THINGS.
BRIAN: OR ELSE IT WILL NEVER
STOP.
FBI DIRECTOR WRAY WILL BE ON
CAPITOL HILL IN OCTOBER.
YOU KNOW ALL THE QUESTIONS
WILL BE ABOUT THIS.
EVEN THOUGH WE ARE IN THE
MIDDLE OF THIS LITTLE
PROBLEM WE ARE HAVING WITH
IRAN AND SO MUCH
INTERNATIONAL -- SO MANY
INTERNATIONAL CHALLENGES
THAT WE HAVE.
>> WELL, WRAY SHOULD BE
ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT
WHAT THE FBI WAS DOING OVER
THE COURSE OF THE LAST FEW
YEARS.
BUT I WOULD SAY FOCUS ON,
AGAIN, THE RUSSIA HOAX AND
THAT AGENCY'S ROLE IN
PERPETUATING IT.
AINSLEY: ALL THESE
INVESTIGATIONS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MOLLIE,
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