GOOD LESSON FOR EVERYBODY.

STEVE: BRING YOUR DAUGHTER

TO DANCE DAY: LET'S BRING

IN MOLLIE HEMMINGWAY SENIOR

EDITOR OF THE FEDERALIST AND

GIGGLING DURING THAT STORY

OF SEAN SPICER.

>> I VOTED FOR SEAN 10 TIMES

LAST NIGHT.

BRIAN: I THOUGHT SO.

MOLLIE, HOW DID YOU HAVE THE

FREE TIME WHAT DID YOU THIS

WEEKEND LEGITIMATELY ALL

REALISTICALLY CHANGED THE

DIRECTION OF A STORY.

BEFORE YOU GOT INVOLVED ALL

THESE PRESIDENTIAL

CANDIDATES WERE CALLING FOR

IMPEACHMENT OF JUSTICE

KAVANAUGH.

>> IT SHOWS THE IMPORTANCE

OF ACTUALLY KNOWING WHAT YOU

ARE TALKING ABOUT.

I WAS ABLE TO READ THAT

BOOK.

I KNEW THEY HAD LEFT OUT THE

MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF

INFORMATION AND THEY SHOULD

HAVE INCLUDED IT IN THEIR

STORY.

THERE IS NO DEFENSE FOR NOT

INCLUDING THE FACT THAT

THEIR SUPPOSED ALLEGATION

AGAINST KAVANAUGH WAS BASED

ON A FALSE PREMISE.

THE WOMAN INVOLVED SAID SHE

HAD NO RECOLLECTION OF IT.

AINSLEY: I THOUGHT WHAT WAS

MOST IMPORTANT THIS WEEKEND

YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THOSE

WRITERS AND WHY THEY LEFT

CERTAIN INFORMATION OUT.

THEY HAD AN EXPLANATION.

TWO WOMEN FROM THE "NEW YORK

TIMES" WROTE THIS ARTICLE

BASED ON THAT BOOK.

ROBIN AND THEN KATE KELLY.

HERE IS ROBIN SPEAKING ABOUT

WHAT WAS TAKEN OUT OF HER

ORIGINAL ARTICLE, SHE SAYS.

LISTEN.

>> WE HAD HER NAME.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE "TIMES"

DOESN'T USUALLY INCLUDE THE

NAME OF THE VICTIM.

>> RIGHT.

>> SO I THINK IN THIS CASE

THE EDITORS FELT LIKE MAYBE

IT WAS BETTER TO REMOVE IT.

IN REMOVING HER NAME THEY

REMOVED THE OTHER REFERENCE

TOUT FACT THAT SHE DIDN'T

REMEMBER.

I THINK IT WAS AN EDITING

DONE IN THE HASTE IN THE

EDITING PROCESS.

>> WERE YOU INVOLVED IN THE

DECISION TO AMEND THIS AND

DO THE CORRECTION, THE

ADDITION ONLINE TO THE

PIECE.

>> WE FELT THERE WAS SO MUCH

HEAT.

EVERYONE HAS BEEN SEETHING

ON VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THIS

WE DIDN'T WANT THIS TO BE AN

ISSUE ANYMORE.

WE NEVER INTENDED TO MISLEAD

IN ANY WAY.

AINSLEY: THEY NEVER INTENDED

TO MISLEAD AND EDITORS WERE

ACTING IN HASTE.

THEY HAPPENED TO FORGET TO

PUT IN HER FRIENDS -- THEY

ACTUALLY TOOK IT OUT HER

FRIENDS SAID THEY HAD NO

RECOLLECTION OF THE EVENTS.

SHE DECLINED TO BE

INTERVIEWED AND THE FEMALE'S

NAME.

>> YES.

I DO AGREE THAT THE EDITORS

ARE ALSO REPORTERS.

NOT JUST THE REPORTERS.

REALLY THE ENTIRE

INSTITUTION IS TO BLAME.

THEY SHOULDN'T JUST PASS IT

OFF ON THE REPORTERS.

HAVING SAID THAT IN NPR

INTERVIEW THAT AIRED

YESTERDAY THESE REPORTERS

DID THE EXACT SAME THING.

THEY MADE IT SOUND LIKE THEY

HAD A CREDIBLE STORY ABOUT A

WOMAN AND THEY HID THE FACT

THAT THE WOMAN DNGED IT EVER

HAPPENED.

BRIAN: REALLY?

I DID NOT KNOW THAT.

>> YOU CANNOT BLAME THAT ON

EDITORS.

HOUR LONG INTERVIEW.

PLENTY OF TIME TO DISCUSS

IT.

BRIAN: DUMPING ON THE

OPINION EDITOR OF THE

OPINION SECTION OF THE

"TIMES" I PUT IT IN THERE

AND THEY CUT IT OUT ON

HASTE.

SELLING THAT ANGLE.

REPORT TODAY THE "NEW YORK

TIMES" NEWS SECTION WALKED

AWAY FROM THE STORY.

THEY SAID THERE WASN'T

ENOUGH IN IT.

THAT'S HOW IT ENDED UP IN

THE OPINION SECTION.

"THE WASHINGTON POST" SAID

WE HAD A YEAR AGO.

NOT ENOUGH THERE TO PRINT

IT.

WHAT DOES THAT SAY TO YOU?

>> WELL, I MEAN, I THINK

THAT'S OBVIOUS THAT THERE IS

NOT ENOUGH THERE TO GO INTO

A NEWS SECTION.

AND IT REALLY SAYS SOMETHING

ABOUT WHAT THEIR STANDARDS

WERE IN REPORTING THIS.

NOW, I RECENTLY WROTE A BOOK

ON THE KAVANAUGH

CONFIRMATION JUSTIFIABLE ON

TRIAL.

WE INTERVIEWED MORE THAN 100

PEOPLE.

WE GOT ALL OF OUR FACTS

RIGHT.

WE'LL DIDN'T TRAFFIC IN

GOSSIP.

AND WE TOLD THE ACCURATE

STORY OF WHAT HAPPENED.

SO I KNOW IT CAN BE DONE.

AND THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR

HOW THEY DID THIS.

STEVE: YOU KNOW, MOLLIE

THOUGH, THIS GIVES

AMMUNITION TO THE PRESIDENT

AND THE PRESIDENT'S

SUPPORTERS TO SAY HEY, LOOK,

THE "NEW YORK TIMES," THEY

ARE OUT TO GET ME AND MY

GUYS.

>> I MEAN, YES.

IT DOES GIVE AMMUNITION

BECAUSE IT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE

THAT THEY ARE RUNNING SOME

KIND OF CAMPAIGN AGAINST

THIS MAN AND THAT THEY ARE

UNWILLING TO LET IT GO.

EVEN THOUGH THEY DID CORRECT

THEIR STORY TO ADMIT THAT

THE ENTIRE PREMISE WAS

FALSE, THEY KEPT GOING

YESTERDAY.

THEY ARE STILL RUNNING

STORIES ABOUT IMPEACHMENT,

WHICH IS REALLY AN ABSURD

IDEA.

AT SOME POINT DECENT PEOPLE

ARE GOING TO HAVE TO STAND

UP AGAINST.

THIS IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT

NO ONE HAS BEEN HELD

ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT'S BEEN

DONE TO THIS MAN.

NO ONE ON THE SENATE

JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WAS HELD

ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR

VIOLATION OF NORMS.

ATTORNEYS WHO LIED TO THEIR

CLIENTS WERE NOT HELD

ACCOUNTABLE.

CRIMINAL REFERRALS SENT TO

THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

FOR FALSE STATEMENT.

NO ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN ON

THEM.

AND THE MEDIA KEEPS BEING

ALLOWED TO CONTINUE IN THIS

SMEAR CAMPAIGN.

I THINK DECENT PEOPLE,

REGARDLESS OF THEIR POLITICS

ARE JUST LOOKING AT THIS AND

SAYING IS THERE NO END TO

THIS?

WHEN WILL THEY STOP?

STEVE: MOLLIE, TO ONE OF

YOUR LAST POINTS, THE

CRIMINAL REFERRALS THAT WERE

MADE TO THE DEPARTMENT OF

JUSTICE, PEOPLE WHO, YOU

KNOW, SUPPOSEDLY WERE NOT

FACTUAL IN THEIR TESTIMONY,

YOU KNOW, IS THERE NO

CONSEQUENCE FOR LYING IN

FRONTS OF CONGRESS?

>> APPARENTLY NOT.

BECAUSE THOSE REFERRALS WERE

MADE AND THERE IS NO

INDICATION OF ANY ACTION.

I ACTUALLY PUT IN.

STEVE: WHY IS THAT?

>> I ACTUALLY REQUESTED TO

FIND OUT FROM THE DEPARTMENT

OF JUSTICE IF ANY ACTION HAD

BEEN TAKEN AND HAVE NOT

HEARD BACK OF ANY ACTION

TAKEN.

IT IS IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE

BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR

MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS.

BUT NOT JUST THE PEOPLE WHO

MADE FALSE STATEMENTS BUT

PEOPLE WHO TRAFFICKED IN

THEM.

THERE WERE SENATORS WHO

VIOLATED COMMITTEE NORMS AND

PROCEDURES.

THERE IS A NEW CHAIRMAN OF

THAT COMMITTEE, LINDSEY

GRAHAM, HE DID A REALLY

INTERESTING THING DURING THE

HEARING.

HE SAID SOMETHING THAT

PEOPLE FOUND REALLY

INTERESTING.

ABOUT NO ACTION HAS BEEN

TAKEN.

THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS YOU

COULD BE DOING TO

INVESTIGATE JUST HOW THAT

LETTER LEAKED OR WHY PEOPLE

VIOLATED NORMS AND

PROCEDURES.

THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT

TO DO.

BRIAN: DO YOU KNOW WHAT

THEY'RE FOCUSING ON NOW IN

THE FBI DIDN'T DO A THOROUGH

INVESTIGATION EXTRA TWO

WEEKS BEFORE THEY VOTED.

REMEMBER WHEN FLAKE GOT

TOGETHER WITH COONS AND THEY

DECIDED TO NOT VOTE AND PUT

IT OFF FOR A WEEK?

NOW THAT'S THE FOCUS.

>> THEY ARE ACTUALLY SAYING

THAT SOMEONE SHOULD BE

IMPEACHED BECAUSE THE FBI

DIDN'T INVESTIGATE A

SITUATION WHERE A WOMAN SAYS

SHE WAS NOT THE VICTIM OF

ANY CRIME THAT DOESN'T MAKE

ANY SENSE.

THERE SHOULD BE TOUGH

QUESTIONS TO PEOPLE WHO EVEN

MAKE THAT SOUND LIKE THAT'S

A LEGITIMATE THING TO DO.

I REALIZE IT WAS DIFFICULT

FOR A CERTAIN GROUP OF

PEOPLE TO LOSE THE 2016

ELECTIONS.

BUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE

INTERVENES YEARS IS A TEMPER

TANTRUM THAT REFUSES TO

ACCEPT THAT REALITY WHETHER

IT'S THE RUSSIA HOAX OR THE

KAVANAUGH HOAX OR WHATEVER

THE NEXT HOAX IS GOING TO

BE.

SO PEOPLE NEED TO BE HELD

ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THEY

PERPETRATE THESE KIND OF

THINGS.

BRIAN: OR ELSE IT WILL NEVER

STOP.

FBI DIRECTOR WRAY WILL BE ON

CAPITOL HILL IN OCTOBER.

YOU KNOW ALL THE QUESTIONS

WILL BE ABOUT THIS.

EVEN THOUGH WE ARE IN THE

MIDDLE OF THIS LITTLE

PROBLEM WE ARE HAVING WITH

IRAN AND SO MUCH

INTERNATIONAL -- SO MANY

INTERNATIONAL CHALLENGES

THAT WE HAVE.

>> WELL, WRAY SHOULD BE

ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT

WHAT THE FBI WAS DOING OVER

THE COURSE OF THE LAST FEW

YEARS.