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>> Neil: ALL RIGHT, LITTLE
EARLIER WE GOT WORD THAT
RUDY GIULIANI HAS BEEN
SUBPOENAED.
THE HOUSE PANELS INVOLVED, WHAT
THEY WANT IS WHAT WILL BECOME
FAMILIAR THEME, ANY DOCUMENTS
RELATED TO THE UKRAINE.
JUDGE ANDREW NAPOLITANO ON THIS
AND OTHER FAST-MOVING
DEVELOPMENTS.
>> I SAW YOUR LAST INTERVIEW
WITH LEON PANETTA.
IT'S MOVING FAR FASTER THAN THE
CLINTON ONE WAS AND IF MEMORY
SERVES, IT'S A LONG TIME AGO,
FAR FASTER THAN THE NIXON ONES.
THE HOUSE WANTS TO HAVE A FULL
VOTE COME UP OR DOWN ON
IMPEACHMENT, BEFORE CHRISTMAS.
THAT'S TWO AND HALF MONTHS.
>> Neil: YOU THINK THEY COULD
SOLVE THE DEBT PROBLEM THAT
QUICKLY?
HOLY TOLEDO.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS?
>> THE SUBPOENA?
>> Neil: YEAH.
>> WELL, IF RUDY GIULIANI IS THE
PRESIDENT'S LAWYER, AND HE SAYS
HE IS, HE HAS CERTAIN
PRIVILEGES.
THE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE
WHICH PREVENTS THE HOUSE FROM
INTERFERING WITH THE ISSUES
DIRECTLY FROM THE PRESIDENT TO
RUDY AND FROM RUDY TO THE
PRESIDENT.
HE ALSO HASN'T BEEN CALLED HE
WORKED PRODUCT PRIVILEGE.
THAT MEANS WORK THAT HE DOES,
DOCUMENTS HE PREPARES, NOTES
THAT HE MADE TO HIMSELF OR TO
THE PRESIDENT IN FURTHERANCE OF
HIS WORK FOR THE PRESIDENT
CANNOT BE TURNED OVER.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE BOTTOM LINE
OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
THEY ARE LOOKING FOR EMAILS AND
TEXT AND COMMUNICATIONS WITH ALL
THE PEOPLE IN UKRAINE THAT HE'S
DEALT WITH IN THE PAST THREE OR
FOUR YEARS AND THEY ARE TRYING
TO FIND OUT IF CHRIS WALLACE IS
CORRECT, IF THE HUSBAND-WIFE
TEAM OF LAWYERS IN
WASHINGTON, D.C., THAT CHRIS'S
REPORTING, SAYING THAT WE ARE
WORKING WITH RUDY.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEY WANT TO
SUBPOENAED THEM.
OR IF AS THEY SAY THEY WERE NOT
INVOLVED IN ANY WAY WITH THIS,
THAT IT WOULD BE A WASTE OF TIME
TO SUBPOENA THEM.
>> Neil: DOES IT MATTER IN
WHAT CAPACITY?
IF YOU ARE A PERSONAL LAWYER.
>> THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH
BEING A PERSONAL LAWYER FOR THE
PRESIDENT BUT THE PROBLEM COMES
WHEN YOU HAVE FOREIGN POLICY AT
TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS, ONE FROM
THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND ONE
FROM THE PRESIDENT'S PERSONAL
LAWYER'S.
WHO DOES THE FOREIGN COMPANY
DEAL WITH?
THE GREAT FEAR, AS LEON PANETTA
TOLD YOU, IS THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES -- THEY'VE HAD
THIS FEAR SINCE
GEORGE WASHINGTON -- THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
USING FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS TO
INFLUENCE DOMESTIC POLITICS.
THAT WAS THE FEAR OF THE FRAMERS
WHEN THEY PUT THAT IMPEACHMENT
CLAUSE.
>> Neil: GOING AFTER
MIKE POMPEO TO GET SIMILAR
DOCUMENTS.
THE THEME HERE IS WHAT?
>> THE THEME IS, WITH THE
SECRETARY OF STATE, DID YOU KNOW
WHAT RUDY WAS DOING IT IS IT
CONSISTENT WITH FOREIGN POLICY?
>> Neil: RUDY GIULIANI SAYS HE
DID.
>> IT'S NOT AN ACADEMIC
QUESTION.
WE KNOW FROM DOCUMENTS THAT THE
DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL SECURITY
RELEASE THAT THE SECRETARY OF
DEFENSE, SECRETARY OF STATE,
DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL
INTELLIGENCE, HEAD OF THE CIA
AND ALL THE VOTING MEMBERS OF
THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL
UNANIMOUSLY SAID RELEASE THE
FUNDS IN THE MILITARY EQUIPMENT
TO UKRAINE.
THERE ARE TANKS ON THE
CRIMEAN-UKRAINE BORDER.
DON'T HOLD IT OUT.
THE PRESIDENT REJECTED ALL OF
THEIR ADVICE, ADVICE
RUDY GIULIANI GAVE HIM TO
REJECT, ACCORDING TO WHAT RUDY
SAID OVER THE WEEKEND.
THERE OBVIOUSLY WAS SOME SPLIT
BETWEEN WHAT THE
STATE DEPARTMENT AND DEFENSE
DEPARTMENT THAT WAS IN THE BEST
INTEREST OF OUR ALLIES AND WHAT
RUDY AND THE PRESIDENT WAS THAT
WAS IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF
WHATEVER THEY WERE TRYING TO
ACCOMPLISH.
THAT'S WHAT THE COMMITTEE IS
LOOKING FOR.
DID DONALD TRUMP USE RUDY,
SUPERB LAWYER, AS AN INSTRUMENT
OF FOREIGN POLICY -- FOR
DONALD TRUMP'S PERSONAL BENEFIT
AS OPPOSED TO THE BENEFIT OF OUR
ALLIES AND OURSELVES.
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