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YOU'VE GOT THREE LANES WHAT THE
COMMITTEE WILL DO, MY COMMITTEE,
YOU'VE GOT MR. DURHAM, LOOKING
AT CRIMINAL IT, THE U.S.
ATTORNEY IN CONNECTICUT AND
THE HOROWITZ INSPECTOR GENERAL
REPORT THAT I THINK WILL BE
COMING OUT IN WEEKS NOT DAYS NOT
MONTHS AND I BELIEVE THE REPORT
IS GOING TO BE UGLY REGARDING
THE DEPARTMENT JUSTICE HANDLING
OF THE RUSSIAN PROBE.
I'M GOING TO MAKE WITH THE LT.
GENERAL NEXT WEEK AND I WANT TO
DECLASSIFY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE
AND THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TO HEAR
THE STORY.
I WANT ALL OF THIS INFORMATION
TO COME OUT AND I DON'T WANT
PEOPLE TO BELIEVE WHAT I SAID, I
WANT THEM TO READ FOR THEMSELVES
, HOW BAD IT WAS, HOW
THE WARRANT APPLICATION TO THE
FISA COURT I THINK WAS QUITE
FRANKLY A FRAUD ON THE COURT.
MARIA: A FRAUD ON THE COURT.
THAT WAS SENATE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE MIX LINDSEY GRAHAM ON
THIS PROGRAM LAST WEEK UPDATING
US ON THE MULTIPLE INVESTIGATION
S INTO THE ALLEGED
FISA ABUSE AND POTENTIAL
WRONGDOING IN LAUNCHING THE
RUSSIA INVESTIGATION.
MY NEXT GUEST IS A CENTRAL
FIGURE FORMER TRUMP CAMPAIGN
FOREIGN POLICY ADVISOR CARTER
PAGE AND CARTER IT'S WONDERFUL
TO HAVE YOU.
>> GREAT TO BE WITH YOU MARIA.
MARIA: YOU HAVE AN ESTEEMED
CAREER I WANT TO START THERE
BECAUSE OUR VIEWERS KNOW THAT
WE'VE COVERED THIS STORY VERY
EFFECTIVELY FROM THE GET GO,
POKING HOLES IN THIS WHOLE IDEA
OF COLLUSION, POKING HOLES IN
THE FISA COURT SITUATION, BUT
YOU HAVE WORKED WITH THE
GOVERNMENT FOR A LONG TIME,
BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY TURNED ON
YOU.
TELL ME YOUR CAREER AS A
GOVERNMENT INFORMANT AFTER YOU
WORKED AT THE PENTAGON AND AFTER
IN THE NAVY TELL US ABOUT IT.
>> WELL I GOT OUT OF THE NAVY
IN 98 AND I WAS ON A RESEARCH
FELLOWSHIP AT A FOREIGN POLICY
THINK TANK AND I WAS ACTUALLY
THE FIRST TIME IT'S A CIVILIAN
AS YOU MENTIONED I SPENT A LOT
OF TIME DOING INTELLIGENCE TASKS
IN THE MILITARY, BUT THAT WAS
THE FIRST TIME WHEN I ACTUALLY
DID STUFF AS A CIVILIAN, AND SO
ONE OF THE GUYS I WORKED CLOSELY
WITH WAS CHRIS STEVENS WHO WAS
THE IRAN DESK OFFICER AT THE
STATE DEPARTMENT IN 98-99 AND WE
HAD A LONG ONGOING DIALOGUE, AND
SO A LOT OF SIMILARITIES BETWEEN
WHAT HAPPENED WITH HIM, AND THE
LACK OF RESPONSIBILITY BY THESE
DEMOCRAT ADMINISTRATIONS.
THAT WAS DURING THE CLINTON
ADMINISTRATION, BUT THE ALSO OF
HIS LIFE WAS REALLY A
CONTINUATION OF THAT.
MARIA: SO THE BOTTOM LYNN IS
YOU'VE WORKED AS A GOVERNMENT
INFORMANT FOR WHAT, TWO DECADES?
>> YES.
MARIA: OKAY, AND SOMEWHERE ALONG
THE LINE, THEY OBVIOUSLY TURNED
ON YOU, BECAUSE THEY WIRETAPPED
YOU.
>> YEAH.
MARIA: FAST FORWARD TO 2013 OR
SO WHEN YOU ARE AN INFORMANT FOR
GOVERNMENT ABOUT A SPY RING IN
NEW YORK, INVOLVING THREE
RUSSIANS.
>> YEAH, WELL LISTEN.
IT WAS SOMETHING WHERE THERE WAS
A LOT, THEY DID AN INDICTMENT.
I SPENT TIME WITH THE FBI IN
2013 GIVING THEM ALL OF THE
INFORMATION THEY NEEDED.
MARIA: THIS IS UNDER THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION.
>> IT WAS UNDER THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION AND THEN A NUMBER
OF TOP OFFICIALS, ATTORNEY
GENERAL HOLDER, U.S. ATTORNEY
AND JOHN CARLIN IN JANUARY OF
2015 A YEAR BEFORE THE START OF
THE WHEN I JOINED THE I WAS A
VOLUNTEER ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN,
THEY HAD THIS INDICTMENT, AND IT
WAS JUST --
MARIA: OF THE THREE RUSSIANS.
>> YEAH, OF THE THREE RUSSIANS
AND SO I WAS ONE OF THE MAIN
SOURCES.
I'M "MALE 1".
MARIA: THAT'S INTERESTING,
BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT A
TIMELINE IN 2013 YOU'RE MALE
NUMBER ONE AND THEY INDICT THESE
PEOPLE AND THE INDICTMENT COMES
DOWN IN JANUARY 2015 AND THEY
NAME YOU.
>> WELL THERE'S THIS BIG THING
ABOUT MASKS AND UNMASKING AND I
WAS VERY LIGHTLY MASKED AND
THERE ARE A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN
THAT INDICTMENT AND THEY REALLY
KIND OF PUT ME OUT ON A LIMB.
MARIA: THAT'S WHAT I
MARIA: I'M BACK WITH FORMER
TRUMP CAMPAIGN FOREIGN POLICY
ADVISOR CARTER PAGE AND YOU WERE
TELLING US ABOUT THIS CASE THAT
YOU HELPED THE GOVERNMENT WITH.
TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED IN 2015
AFTER THE INDICTMENT WAS
HANDED DOWN ON THE RUSSIANS.
>> WELL REALLY, IN MARCH OF
2016, THEY CALLED ME INTO COME
TESTIFY IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT
OF NEW YORK.
MARIA: ON THAT CASE?
>> YEAH, AND LISTEN, THERE WERE
SO MANY FALSEHOODS, AND
MISREPRESENTATIONS IN THEIR
INDICTMENT THE PRIOR-YEAR.
I SAID I AM NOT GOING TO LIE IN
COURT.
SIMILAR TO THE FALSE COURT
FILINGS WITH THE DOJ AND THE FBI
HAS SUBMITTED IN THIS CASE, AND
SO IT WAS A LONG BACK AND FORTH
WITH THEM BUT I TOLD THEM, I AM
A MAN OF MY WORD AND I'M NOT
GOING TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE
FALSE TESTIMONY LIKE THEY'VE
DONALD VERY SIMILAR BETWEEN THE
FALSE TESTIMONY WHICH THEY DID
AND THAT CASE AGAINST THE
RUSSIANS, AND THE FALSE
TESTIMONY WHICH THEY DID A FEW
MONTHS LATER IN OCTOBER OF 2016
WITH THEIR START OF THE
FISA ABUSE.
MARIA: YOU NEVER ACTUALLY
TESTIFIED IN THE SPY RING CIRCUS
IN TERMS OF THAT, BUT THIS ALL
GOES TO GOVERNMENT INFORM APTS
AND YOU COULD LOOK AT PATRICK BY
RNE FROM OVERSTOCK.COM RIGHT?
>> WELL BASICALLY GOVERNMENT IS
TAKING CONTROL OF PEOPLE'S LIVES
I MEAN, I'VE LOST STEPS OF
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
AND HE LOST A COUPLE HUNDRED
MILLION OFF HIS MARKET CAP JUST
BASED ON THESE FALSEHOODS.
MARIA: YOU MEAN THE STOCK LOST
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS?
>> YES.
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Carter Page explains his work as a government informant

林宜悉 2019 年 9 月 25 日 に公開
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