WITH A FOX NEWS ALERT.

BRAND NEW DETAILS THIS

MORNING SURROUNDING JEFFREY

EPSTEIN'S APPARENT SUICIDE.

TODD: AUTOPSY REPORTEDLY

SHOWING BROKEN BONES IN HIS

NECK.

RAISING MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT

HIS FINAL CAUSE OF DEATH.

STEVE: ANDREW McCARTHY

SERVED AS THE CHIEF U.S.

ATTORNEY FOR THE SOUTHERN

DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AND HAD

DEFENDANTS IN THE SAME JAIL

AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER.

HE JOINS US NOW LIVE.

>> GOOD MORNING.

STEVE: APPARENTLY BROKEN

BONES IN THE NECK BUT ONE IN

PARTICULAR, THIZE OID BONE

NEAR THE ADAM'S APPLE WHICH

IS MORE COMMON IN

STRANGULATION MURDERS THAN

SUICIDAL HANGINGS, IT IS

WRITTEN IN THIS MORNING'S

PAPER.

>> YEAH.

BUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID THE

WORLD STRANG GLUE LABOR

RELATION MAY BE LESS

IMPORTANT THAN THE WORDS

MORE COMMON.

IT'S NOT INCONSISTENT WITH

SUICIDE.

AND WHAT I HATE ABOUT THESE

LEAKS IS.

STEVE: AUTOPSY LEAKS.

>> ANY KIND OF LEAKS ABOUT

INVESTIGATIONS WHERE PEOPLE

CHERRY PICK WHERE THEY WANT

TO PUT OUT UNDER

CIRCUMSTANCES WE KNOW IN

MOST INVESTIGATIONS WE NEED

TO HAVE A EXPENSIVE

UNDERSTANDING OF EVERYTHING

AND YOU CAN PUT TOO MUCH OR

TOO LITTLE EMPHASIS ON

INDIVIDUAL FACTS.

TO ME I WOULD WANT TO KNOW

IF THEY THEY ACTUALLY HAD

VIDEO OF THE COMMON AREAS OF

THE JAIL AND THEY COULD TELL

WHETHER SOMEONE ELSE WAS

ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF

CELL.

THAT TO ME WOULD BE AT LEAST

AS IMPORTANT A PIECE OF

EVIDENCE AS WHAT --

AINSLEY: WHAT DO YOU THINK

HAPPENED.

>> I'M GOING TO ASSUME IT

WAS A SUICIDE UNTIL THERE IS

POWERFUL EVIDENCE THAT THERE

IS NOT.

THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO

ME.

GROSS INCOMPETENCE HERE.

NOT SURPRISING INCOMPETENCE

THAT PARTICULAR INSTITUTION

HAS NOT GOT A GREAT

REPUTATION EVEN IN FEDERAL

CIRCLES.

TODD: ANDY, WHAT I WANT TO

SEE IS MY -- EXCUSE ME USING

THIS PHRASE LEADING TO THE

NEXT SEGMENT.

A JOHN DURHAM TYPE

INVESTIGATION WHERE

EVERYBODY THAT IS

INVESTIGATING IS

NON-PARTIAL, BIPARTISAN.

I WANT THE CLEANEST THING IN

THE WORLD TO INVESTIGATE

THIS JUST SO AS AMERICANS WE

CAN FEEL CONFIDENT AND KNOW

WHAT HAPPENED.

IS THAT REALISTIC?

>> I HOPE IT IS.

YOU KNOW, WHAT'S REALLY SAD

IS THAT YOU HAVE TO DESCRIBE

IT THAT WAY.

BECAUSE IT USED TO BE

IMPLICIT THAT THAT'S WAS

WHAT THESE INVESTIGATIONS

WERE.

I WAS VERY PROUD TO BE AT

THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW

YORK FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS.

STEVE: RIGHT.

>> I THINK WE WOULD HAVE

TAKEN UMBRAGE AT THE

SUGGESTION THAT

INVESTIGATIONS WERE ANY

OTHER WAY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE

WORLD WHERE WE ARE LIVING

IN.

AINSLEY: FASCINATING.

WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT

HAPPENED WITHIN THAT JAIL

CELL.

ULTIMATELY WE HAVE TO

REMEMBER THE VICTIMS.

ALL THESE WOMEN THAT ARE

CLAIMING THAT HE SEXUALLY

ASSAULTED THEM AT AN EARLY

AGE WHEN THEY WERE MINORS.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM?

WHEN DO THEY GET JUSTICE?

>> YOU KNOW, AINSLEY, THE

THING THAT I THINK WE CAN

TAKE HEART FROM IS THAT

ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR HAS

BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT THIS

CASE IS GOING ON, THIS

INVESTIGATION IS GOING ON.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS

NOTABLE READINGS THE

INDICTMENT IS THE FIRST

CHARGE IS A CONSPIRACY

CHARGE, SO THAT HE IS NOT

THE ONLY OR HE WAS NOT THE

ONLY PERSON WHO WAS ALLEGED

TO HAVE BEEN AT THE ROOT OF

THIS ABUSE.

AND THIS IS GOING TO

CONTINUE.

IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE IN

THE CRIMINAL CONTEXT THERE

IS GOING TO BE CIVIL

LITIGATION.

I THINK THE VICTIMS WILL GET

JUSTICE.

STEVE: ANDY, LET'S TALK

ABOUT YOUR BRAND NEW BOOK

AVAILABLE EVERYWHERE RIGHT

NOW.

BALL OF COLLUSION.

YOU WRITE IN THE BOOK THERE

WAS NO COLLUSION BETWEEN

PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN

AND THE RUSSIANS.

BUT THERE WAS COLLUSION

BETWEEN --

>> WELL, I THINK THE OBAMA

ADMINISTRATION PUT THE LAW

ENFORCEMENT AND INTELLIGENCE

APPARATUS OF OUR GOVERNMENT

IN THE SERVICE OF THE

CLINTON CAMPAIGN.

>> SO THE COLLUSION WAS

BETWEEN OBAMA AND CLINTON?

>> YES.

AND IT WAS THE USE OF THESE

COUNTERINTELLIGENCE TOWERS

AND LAW ENFORCEMENT

PROCESSES IN OUR POLITICAL

PROCESS WHICH IS NEVER

SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.

STEVE: BUT IT DID, ACCORDING

TO YOUR BOOK.

>> WELL, I TRIED IN THE BOOK

TO NOT MAKE ASSERTIONS THAT

I COULDN'T BACK UP.

I THINK IT'S PRETTY, RICHLY

FOOTNOTED AND CORROBORATED,

WHICH IS MORE THAN YOU CAN

SAY FOR SAY THE DOSSIER.

AINSLEY: WHY DID YOU WRITE

THE BOOK?

WHAT WAS YOUR INSPIRATION?

>> I STARTED OUT HAVING

COVERED A LOT OF THE CLINTON

EMAILS CASE AND THE

TRUMP-RUSSIA CASE.

AND WHAT BOTHERED ME WAS THE

DIFFERENCE IN THE QUALITY OF

JUSTICE THAT WAS AFFORDED.

I DON'T THINK ANY OBJECTIVE

PERSON CAN LOOK AT THOSE TWO

INVESTIGATIONS AND SAY THE

SAME QUALITY OF JUSTICE WAS

AFFORDED TO EACH.

BUT THE OTHER THING IS I

THINK I WAS ESSENTIALLY

WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING I FELT

VERY STRONGLY ABOUT AT THE

BEGINNING.

I TOLD PEOPLE THAT THERE WAS

NO WAY THEY WOULD TAKE AN

UNCORROBORATED SCREED OF

POLITICAL OPERATION AND TAKE

IT TO A FEDERAL COURT TO GET

A SURVEILLANCE WARRANT I

TOLD PEOPLE THEY WERE CRAZY

TO THINK THAT THE FBI AND

THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WOULD

EVER DO THAT.

I WANTED TO KNOW WHY WAS I

SO SO SPECTACULARLY WRONG?

I THINK THE ANSWER IS IN

EVERY INVESTIGATION, THE

INVESTIGATORS ALWAYS THINK

THAT THEIR BAD GUYS ARE THE

WORST BAD GUYS IN THE

HISTORY OF BAD GUYS.

AND WHAT YOU ALWAYS NEED IS

THE ADULT SUPERVISION OF

LEADERSHIP, HEADQUARTERS,

WHETHER IT'S AT THE JUSTICE

DEPARTMENT OR THE FBI TO

POLICE THE INEVITABLE

TENDENCY PEOPLE HAVE TO PUSH

THE ENVELOPE.

AND I THINK WHAT HAPPENED

HERE, AINSLEY, IS

SUPERVISION BECAME THE

INVESTIGATOR.

AND WHEN THEY PUSHED THE

ENVELOPE, THERE WAS NOBODY

THERE TO TELL THEM NO.

STEVE: ANDY, I SAW THE

PRESIDENT ANSWERED A

QUESTION UP ON CAPITOL HILL

FROM A REPORTER ABOUT HOW

HIGH HE THOUGHT THIS WENT IN

THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AND

HE SAID I REALLY SHOULDN'T

ANSWER BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I

THINK.

HOW HIGH DO YOU THINK IT DID

GO?

>> THESE WERE

COUNTERINTELLIGENCE

INVESTIGATIONS.

THEY ARE DIFFERENT FROM

CRIMINAL -- CRIMINAL

INVESTIGATION IS THE

VINDICATION OF THE RULE OF

LAW IN JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS.

COUNTER INTELLIGENCE

INVESTIGATIONS BELONG TO THE

PRESIDENT.

THEY ARE ONLY DONE FOR ONE

REASON TO BELIEVE AND THAT

IS TO GATHER INTELLIGENCE SO

THAT THE PRESIDENT CAN CARRY

OUT HIS NATIONAL SECURITY

RESPONSIBILITIES UNDER THE

CONSTITUTION.

SO ANY COUNTERINTELLIGENCE

INVESTIGATION IS THE

PRESIDENT'S INVESTIGATION.

STEVE: THIS GOES TO THE WEST

WING?

>> IT GOES TO THE PRESIDENT.

THAT'S THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED

TO WORK.

IF IT'S NOT WORKING THAT

WAY, THEN IT SHOULDN'T BE A

COUNTERINTELLIGENCE

INVESTIGATION IN THE FIRST

PLACE.

BUT HERE WE DON'T HAVE TO

SPECULATE BECAUSE THERE IS

PLENTY OF INDICATION THAT

PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS INFORMED

AND KNEW WHAT EXACTLY WHAT

THEY WERE DOING.

STEVE: HOLY COW.

AINSLEY: WOW.

STEVE: GOT TO READ THIS

BOOK.