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NICOLLE WALLACE STARTS RIGHT NOW.
NOW. /S
/S >>> HI, EVERYONE.
>>> HI, EVERYONE. IT'S 4:00 IN NEW YORK.
IT'S 4:00 IN NEW YORK. PRESIDENT TRUMP ORDERS THE
PRESIDENT TRUMP ORDERS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO HUNT DOWN
ATTORNEY GENERAL TO HUNT DOWN THE OP-ED AUTHOR ATTACKING HIM.
THE OP-ED AUTHOR ATTACKING HIM. HE GAVE THE MIDTERM MESSAGE TO
HE GAVE THE MIDTERM MESSAGE TO TRY TO SAVE AMERICA FROM
TRY TO SAVE AMERICA FROM TRUMPISM.
TRUMPISM. THE 44th PRESIDENT LAUNCHING HIS
THE 44th PRESIDENT LAUNCHING HIS MOST DIRECT ATTACK YET AGAINST
MOST DIRECT ATTACK YET AGAINST THE 45th, CALLING TRUMP, QUOTE,
THE 45th, CALLING TRUMP, QUOTE, A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY AND
A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY AND ACCUSING HIS REPUBLICAN ENABLERS
ACCUSING HIS REPUBLICAN ENABLERS OF PRACTICING A, QUOTE, POLITICS
OF PRACTICING A, QUOTE, POLITICS OF FEAR AND RESENTMENT.
OF FEAR AND RESENTMENT. >> IT SHOULD NOT BE DEMOCRATIC
>> IT SHOULD NOT BE DEMOCRATIC OR REPUBLICAN.
OR REPUBLICAN. IT SHOULD NOT BE A PARTISAN
IT SHOULD NOT BE A PARTISAN ISSUE TO SAY THAT WE DO NOT
ISSUE TO SAY THAT WE DO NOT PRESSURE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OR
PRESSURE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OR THE FBI TO USE THE CRIMINAL
THE FBI TO USE THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AS A CAJOLE TO
JUSTICE SYSTEM AS A CAJOLE TO PUNISH OUR POLITICAL OPPONENTS.
PUNISH OUR POLITICAL OPPONENTS. [ APPLAUSE ]
[ APPLAUSE ] OR TO EXPLICITLY CALL ON THE
OR TO EXPLICITLY CALL ON THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO PROTECT
ATTORNEY GENERAL TO PROTECT MEMBERS OF OUR OWN PARTY FROM
MEMBERS OF OUR OWN PARTY FROM PROSECUTION BECAUSE AN ELECTION
PROSECUTION BECAUSE AN ELECTION HAPPENS TO BE COMING UP.
HAPPENS TO BE COMING UP. I'M NOT MAKING THAT UP.
I'M NOT MAKING THAT UP. THAT'S NOT HYPOTHETICAL.
THAT'S NOT HYPOTHETICAL. IT SHOULDN'T BE DEMOCRATIC OR
IT SHOULDN'T BE DEMOCRATIC OR REPUBLICAN TO SAY THAT WE DON'T
REPUBLICAN TO SAY THAT WE DON'T THREATEN THE FREEDOM OF THE
THREATEN THE FREEDOM OF THE PRESS BECAUSE THEY SAY THINGS OR
PRESS BECAUSE THEY SAY THINGS OR PUBLISH STORIES WE DON'T LIKE.
PUBLISH STORIES WE DON'T LIKE. [ APPLAUSE ]
[ APPLAUSE ] I COMPLAINED PLENTY ABOUT FOX
I COMPLAINED PLENTY ABOUT FOX NEWS.
NEWS. [ LAUGHTER ]
[ LAUGHTER ] BUT YOU NEVER HEARD ME THREATEN
BUT YOU NEVER HEARD ME THREATEN TO SHUT THEM DOWN.
TO SHUT THEM DOWN. OR CALL THEM ENEMIES OF THE
OR CALL THEM ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. IT SHOULDN'T BE DEMOCRATIC OR
IT SHOULDN'T BE DEMOCRATIC OR REPUBLICAN TO SAY WE DON'T
REPUBLICAN TO SAY WE DON'T TARGET CERTAIN GROUPS OF PEOPLE
TARGET CERTAIN GROUPS OF PEOPLE BASED ON WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE OR
BASED ON WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE OR HOW THEY PRAY.
HOW THEY PRAY. WE ARE AMERICANS.
WE ARE AMERICANS. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO STAND UP TO
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO STAND UP TO BULLIES.
BULLIES. [ APPLAUSE ]
[ APPLAUSE ] NOT FOLLOW THEM.
NOT FOLLOW THEM. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO STAND UP TO
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO STAND UP TO DISCRIMINATION.
DISCRIMINATION. AND WE'RE SURE AS HECK SUPPOSED
AND WE'RE SURE AS HECK SUPPOSED TO STAND UP CLEARLY AND
TO STAND UP CLEARLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY TO NAZI
UNEQUIVOCALLY TO NAZI SYMPATHIZERS.
SYMPATHIZERS. [ APPLAUSE ]
[ APPLAUSE ] HOW HARD CAN THAT BE?
HOW HARD CAN THAT BE? SAYING THAT NAZIS ARE BAD?
SAYING THAT NAZIS ARE BAD? >> GOOD GOD, TRUMP MAKES YOU
>> GOOD GOD, TRUMP MAKES YOU MISS EVERYONE THAT CAME BEFORE
MISS EVERYONE THAT CAME BEFORE HIM.
HIM. OBAMA'S RETURN TO THE CAMPAIGN
OBAMA'S RETURN TO THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL IS SURE TO FAN THE FLAMES
TRAIL IS SURE TO FAN THE FLAMES OF DONALD TRUMP'S INFERIORITY
OF DONALD TRUMP'S INFERIORITY COMPLEX.
COMPLEX. TRUMP TRYING TO BRUSH OFF
TRUMP TRYING TO BRUSH OFF OBAMA'S RETURN WITH AN INSULT.
OBAMA'S RETURN WITH AN INSULT. >> I'M SORRY I WATCHED IT, BUT I
>> I'M SORRY I WATCHED IT, BUT I FELL ASLEEP.
FELL ASLEEP. [ LAUGHTER ]
[ LAUGHTER ] I FOUND HE'S VERY GOOD, VERY
I FOUND HE'S VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD FOR SLEEPING.
GOOD FOR SLEEPING. >> ACTUALLY IT'S MORE LIKELY
>> ACTUALLY IT'S MORE LIKELY THAT OBAMA'S PRESENCE ON THE
THAT OBAMA'S PRESENCE ON THE KWAM
KWAM CAMPAIGN TRAIL WILL WAKE UP HIS
CAMPAIGN TRAIL WILL WAKE UP HIS COALITION OF DEMOCRATIC AND
COALITION OF DEMOCRATIC AND INDEPENDENT VOTERS BUT THERE IS
INDEPENDENT VOTERS BUT THERE IS AMPLE TIME TO TEST THAT THEORY.
AMPLE TIME TO TEST THAT THEORY. JOINING US TO DISCUSS THE LATEST
JOINING US TO DISCUSS THE LATEST HIGH-LEVEL REBUKE OF THE CONDUCT
HIGH-LEVEL REBUKE OF THE CONDUCT OF THE CURRENT PRESIDENT SOME OF
OF THE CURRENT PRESIDENT SOME OF THE OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS AND
THE OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS AND FRIENDS.
FRIENDS. JEREMY BASH, FORMER STAFF AT THE
JEREMY BASH, FORMER STAFF AT THE CI ERICSSON AND PENTAGON NOW
CI ERICSSON AND PENTAGON NOW MSNBC ANALYST.
MSNBC ANALYST. JONATHAN LEMIRE, WHITE HOUSE
JONATHAN LEMIRE, WHITE HOUSE REPORTER FOR THE ASSOCIATED
REPORTER FOR THE ASSOCIATED PRESS.
PRESS. THE REV AL SHARPTON, PRESIDENT
THE REV AL SHARPTON, PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL ACTION NETWORK
OF THE NATIONAL ACTION NETWORK AND HOST OF POLITICS NATION HERE
AND HOST OF POLITICS NATION HERE ON MSNBC.
ON MSNBC. BRETT STEVENS, OP-ED COLUMNIST
BRETT STEVENS, OP-ED COLUMNIST FOR "THE NEW YORK TIMES" AND MAR
FOR "THE NEW YORK TIMES" AND MAR A GAY, JOURNALIST AND MEMBER OF
A GAY, JOURNALIST AND MEMBER OF THE "THE NEW YORK TIMES"
THE "THE NEW YORK TIMES" EDITORIAL BOARD.
EDITORIAL BOARD. JEREMY BASH, LET ME START WITH
JEREMY BASH, LET ME START WITH YOU, ONE BECAUSE I MISSED YOU.
YOU, ONE BECAUSE I MISSED YOU. AND TWO, THE JUXTAPOSITION
AND TWO, THE JUXTAPOSITION TODAY, IT WAS A SPLIT SCREEN
TODAY, IT WAS A SPLIT SCREEN MOMENT WE FINALLY ACHIEVED THE
MOMENT WE FINALLY ACHIEVED THE TWO AMERICAS JOHN EDWARDS FIRST
TWO AMERICAS JOHN EDWARDS FIRST TALKED ABOUT IN MY POLITICAL
TALKED ABOUT IN MY POLITICAL CAREER WHERE, ON ONE SIDE OF THE
CAREER WHERE, ON ONE SIDE OF THE SCREEN, DONALD TRUMP WAS URGING
SCREEN, DONALD TRUMP WAS URGING THE SITTING ATTORNEY GENERAL TO
THE SITTING ATTORNEY GENERAL TO INVESTIGATE THE IDENTITY OF THE
INVESTIGATE THE IDENTITY OF THE AUTHOR OF THAT OP-ED IN "THE NEW
AUTHOR OF THAT OP-ED IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES," REALLY REBUKING HIS
YORK TIMES," REALLY REBUKING HIS STABILITY, CALLING INTO QUESTION
STABILITY, CALLING INTO QUESTION HIS CAPACITY TO CARRY OUT THE
HIS CAPACITY TO CARRY OUT THE DUTIES OF HIS JOB.
DUTIES OF HIS JOB. ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE FORMER
ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE FORMER PRESIDENT TALKING ABOUT HOW EASY
PRESIDENT TALKING ABOUT HOW EASY IT SHOULD BE TO DISTANCE
IT SHOULD BE TO DISTANCE YOURSELF FROM PEOPLE WHO EMBRACE
YOURSELF FROM PEOPLE WHO EMBRACE GOOD PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE
GOOD PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE KKK RALLY.
KKK RALLY. >> WHAT PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS
>> WHAT PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS BROUGHT HERE TO THE FORE, FOR
BROUGHT HERE TO THE FORE, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HIS CAMPAIGN
THE FIRST TIME IN HIS CAMPAIGN SEASON, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S
SEASON, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THE LAST, IS THIS
GOING TO BE THE LAST, IS THIS DEEP CONCERN THAT WE SEE THAT
DEEP CONCERN THAT WE SEE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTS TO USE THE
PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTS TO USE THE APPARATUS OF THE NATIONAL
APPARATUS OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY STATE TO GO AFTER HIS
SECURITY STATE TO GO AFTER HIS POLITICAL CRITICS.
POLITICAL CRITICS. HE WANTS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO
HE WANTS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO CRIMINALIZE FREE SPEECH, TO
CRIMINALIZE FREE SPEECH, TO CRIMINALIZE FREE EXPRESSION, TO
CRIMINALIZE FREE EXPRESSION, TO CRIMINALIZE CRITICISM.
CRIMINALIZE CRITICISM. TO ACTUALLY USE CRIMINAL
TO ACTUALLY USE CRIMINAL AUTHORITY
AUTHORITY AUTHORITIES AND NATIONAL
AUTHORITIES AND NATIONAL SECURITY AUTHORITIES TO CONDUCT
SECURITY AUTHORITIES TO CONDUCT SURVEILLANCE TO FIND, LOCATE
SURVEILLANCE TO FIND, LOCATE POTENTIALLY EAVES DROP,
POTENTIALLY EAVES DROP, POTENTIALLY ARREST SOMEONE WHO
POTENTIALLY ARREST SOMEONE WHO IS CRITICIZING THE PRESIDENT.
IS CRITICIZING THE PRESIDENT. AND IT IS IN LINE AS PRESIDENT
AND IT IS IN LINE AS PRESIDENT OBAMA POINTED OUT WITH OTHER
OBAMA POINTED OUT WITH OTHER EFFORTS BY PRESIDENT TRUMP TO
EFFORTS BY PRESIDENT TRUMP TO USE THE APPARATUS OF THE STATE
USE THE APPARATUS OF THE STATE TO GO AFTER CRITICS, TO THREATEN
TO GO AFTER CRITICS, TO THREATEN TO STRIP BROADCAST LICENSES FROM
TO STRIP BROADCAST LICENSES FROM THE MEDIA THAT HE DOESN'T
THE MEDIA THAT HE DOESN'T SUPPORT, AND, OF COURSE, TO USE
SUPPORT, AND, OF COURSE, TO USE OTHER MECHANISMS THAT ARE
OTHER MECHANISMS THAT ARE TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE TO GO
TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE TO GO AFTER POLITICAL CRITICISM.
AFTER POLITICAL CRITICISM. >> AND DON'T BELIEVE JEREMY AND
>> AND DON'T BELIEVE JEREMY AND ME.
ME. LISTEN FOR YOUR OWN EARS.
LISTEN FOR YOUR OWN EARS. HERE'S DONALD TRUMP WHILE
HERE'S DONALD TRUMP WHILE PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS SPEAKING
PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS SPEAKING TALKING ABOUT DOING JUST WHAT
TALKING ABOUT DOING JUST WHAT JEREMY DESCRIBES.
JEREMY DESCRIBES. LET'S LISTEN.
LET'S LISTEN. >> DO YOU THINK JEFF SESSIONS
>> DO YOU THINK JEFF SESSIONS SHOULD BE INVESTIGATING WHO THE
SHOULD BE INVESTIGATING WHO THE AUTHOR OF THE OP-ED PIECE WAS OR
AUTHOR OF THE OP-ED PIECE WAS OR WHO SAID --
WHO SAID -- >> I THINK SO BECAUSE I THINK
>> I THINK SO BECAUSE I THINK IT'S NATIONAL SECURITY.
IT'S NATIONAL SECURITY. I WOULD SAY JEFF SHOULD BE
I WOULD SAY JEFF SHOULD BE INVESTIGATING WHO THE AUTHOR OF
INVESTIGATING WHO THE AUTHOR OF THAT PIECE WAS BECAUSE I REALLY
THAT PIECE WAS BECAUSE I REALLY BELIEVE IT'S NATIONAL SECURITY.
BELIEVE IT'S NATIONAL SECURITY. >> IS THERE AN ACTION THAT
>> IS THERE AN ACTION THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN AGAINST "THE NEW
SHOULD BE TAKEN AGAINST "THE NEW YORK TIMES"?
YORK TIMES"? WE'RE GOING TO SEE, I'M LOOKING
WE'RE GOING TO SEE, I'M LOOKING INTO THAT RIGHT NOW.
INTO THAT RIGHT NOW. IT ONLY HAPPENED YESTERDAY, BUT
IT ONLY HAPPENED YESTERDAY, BUT I'M LOOKING -- I AM LOOKING.
I'M LOOKING -- I AM LOOKING. >> YOU SAID LAST NIGHT THAT IT'S
>> YOU SAID LAST NIGHT THAT IT'S TREASON WHAT HAPPENED.
TREASON WHAT HAPPENED. IN THIS COUNTRY WE PUNISH
IN THIS COUNTRY WE PUNISH TREASON WITH THE DEATH PENALTY.
TREASON WITH THE DEATH PENALTY. ARE YOU SERIOUS ABOUT THAT?
ARE YOU SERIOUS ABOUT THAT? >> WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT
>> WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT HE HAD, WHAT HE GAVE, WHAT
WHAT HE HAD, WHAT HE GAVE, WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT. ALSO WHERE HE IS RIGHT NOW.
ALSO WHERE HE IS RIGHT NOW. >> JEREMY BASH, YOU WORKED IN
>> JEREMY BASH, YOU WORKED IN NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCIES YOUR
NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCIES YOUR WHOLE CAREER.
WHOLE CAREER. WHAT IS THE NATIONAL SECURITY
WHAT IS THE NATIONAL SECURITY IMPLICATION?
IMPLICATION? I UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATION OF
I UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATION OF HAVING AN UNSTABLE MAN AS OUR
HAVING AN UNSTABLE MAN AS OUR COMMANDER IN CHIEF.
COMMANDER IN CHIEF. BUT WHAT IS THE NATIONAL
BUT WHAT IS THE NATIONAL SECURITY IMPLICATION OF PENNING
SECURITY IMPLICATION OF PENNING AN ANONYMOUS OP-ED IN "THE NEW
AN ANONYMOUS OP-ED IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES"?
YORK TIMES"? >> NOTHING.
>> NOTHING. THERE'S NO NATIONAL SECURITY
THERE'S NO NATIONAL SECURITY ANGLE.
ANGLE. IT'S BASICALLY A MADE-UP
IT'S BASICALLY A MADE-UP RATIONALE TO TRY TO, AGAIN, USE
RATIONALE TO TRY TO, AGAIN, USE THE APPARATUS OF THE STATE TO GO
THE APPARATUS OF THE STATE TO GO AFTER POLITICAL CRITICS.
AFTER POLITICAL CRITICS. I MEAN, THERE IS NOTHING THAT
I MEAN, THERE IS NOTHING THAT THREATENS NATIONAL SECURITY IN
THREATENS NATIONAL SECURITY IN LEGITIMATE CRITICISM OF OUR
LEGITIMATE CRITICISM OF OUR POLITICAL LEADERS.
POLITICAL LEADERS. IN FACT, I THINK I COULD ARGUE
IN FACT, I THINK I COULD ARGUE AND I THINK OTHERS WOULD AGREE
AND I THINK OTHERS WOULD AGREE THAT IT WOULD BE A NATIONAL
THAT IT WOULD BE A NATIONAL SECURITY CRISIS, A CRISIS OF OUR
SECURITY CRISIS, A CRISIS OF OUR DEMOCRACY OF EPIC PROPORTIONS IF
DEMOCRACY OF EPIC PROPORTIONS IF WE USED THE GOVERNMENT TO
WE USED THE GOVERNMENT TO CRACKDOWN ON POLITICAL CRITICS.
CRACKDOWN ON POLITICAL CRITICS. SO I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S AN
SO I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S AN ABUSE OF POWER TO INVOKE
ABUSE OF POWER TO INVOKE NATIONAL SECURITY.
NATIONAL SECURITY. AND I DON'T KNOW OF ANYBODY AT
AND I DON'T KNOW OF ANYBODY AT THE FBI, IN THE INTELLIGENCE
THE FBI, IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, THE DEFENSE
COMMUNITY, THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT, OR THE REST OF THE
DEPARTMENT, OR THE REST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SWORN TO UPHOLD
PEOPLE WHO ARE SWORN TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION AND DEFEND
THE CONSTITUTION AND DEFEND NATIONAL SECURITY WHO WOULD LIFT
NATIONAL SECURITY WHO WOULD LIFT A FINGER NAIL TO ACTUALLY CARRY
A FINGER NAIL TO ACTUALLY CARRY OUT THIS UNLAWFUL AND
OUT THIS UNLAWFUL AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL ORDER.
UNCONSTITUTIONAL ORDER. >> JONATHAN, WHAT IS YOUR
>> JONATHAN, WHAT IS YOUR REPORTING REVEAL ABOUT THE US
REPORTING REVEAL ABOUT THE US WHAT AFTER ONE OF THE MOST
WHAT AFTER ONE OF THE MOST BRUTAL WEEKS OF THIS PRESIDENCY?
BRUTAL WEEKS OF THIS PRESIDENCY? HAD THE WOODWARD BOOK CAME OUT
HAD THE WOODWARD BOOK CAME OUT THREE WEEKS AGO, THE BEGINNING
THREE WEEKS AGO, THE BEGINNING OF A SHORT WEEK, YOU HAD THE
OF A SHORT WEEK, YOU HAD THE PRESIDENT REPORTEDLY FURIOUS
PRESIDENT REPORTEDLY FURIOUS THAT THERE WASN'T A MORE ROBUST
THAT THERE WASN'T A MORE ROBUST PUSH BACK AGAINST THE WOODWARD
PUSH BACK AGAINST THE WOODWARD NARRATIVE AND THE REPORTING,
NARRATIVE AND THE REPORTING, AGAIN, FROM PEOPLE WITHIN HIS
AGAIN, FROM PEOPLE WITHIN HIS OWN WHITE HOUSE AND THE CABINET.
OWN WHITE HOUSE AND THE CABINET. AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS ANONYMOUS
AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS ANONYMOUS OP-ED, THE WHITE HOUSE CAUGHT
OP-ED, THE WHITE HOUSE CAUGHT FLAT-FOOTED.
FLAT-FOOTED. >> OUR REPORTING HITS ALL OF
>> OUR REPORTING HITS ALL OF THOSE POINTS.
THOSE POINTS. THIS IS A BOOK YOU OBVIOUSLY
THIS IS A BOOK YOU OBVIOUSLY KNEW WAS COMING, THERE WAS NO
KNEW WAS COMING, THERE WAS NO BALTIMORE L PLAN, NO TALKING
BALTIMORE L PLAN, NO TALKING POINTS.
POINTS. THEY HADN'T ACQUIRED A COPY OF
THEY HADN'T ACQUIRED A COPY OF THE BOOK UNTIL AFTER THE FIRST
THE BOOK UNTIL AFTER THE FIRST STORY IN THE WASHINGTON POST RAN
STORY IN THE WASHINGTON POST RAN AND THEY READ THROUGH IT AND
AND THEY READ THROUGH IT AND STARTED FLIPPING THROUGH IT.
STARTED FLIPPING THROUGH IT. WHEN THE OP-ED ARRIVED A SHORT
WHEN THE OP-ED ARRIVED A SHORT TIME LATER, THEY WERE AS
TIME LATER, THEY WERE AS OBSESSED AS WE WERE FIGURING OUT
OBSESSED AS WE WERE FIGURING OUT WHO IT WAS.
WHO IT WAS. >> MOST OF THEM WITH THEMSELVES.
>> MOST OF THEM WITH THEMSELVES. WAS IT ME?
WAS IT ME? >> PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE BUILDING I
>> PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE BUILDING I TALKED TO, SOURCES DESCRIBED
TALKED TO, SOURCES DESCRIBED THESE TEXT CHAINS.
THESE TEXT CHAINS. WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT MEANS,
WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT MEANS, WHO COULD THAT BE, WHO COULD
WHO COULD THAT BE, WHO COULD THAT BE?
THAT BE? AND ASKING US OUR OPINIONS, WHO
AND ASKING US OUR OPINIONS, WHO DO YOU THINK IT COULD BE?
DO YOU THINK IT COULD BE? THEY ARE DEFINITELY UNDER SIEGE
THEY ARE DEFINITELY UNDER SIEGE NOW.
NOW. THERE IS AN ELEMENT OF SOME
THERE IS AN ELEMENT OF SOME DEFIANCE.
DEFIANCE. WE SAW NIKKI HALEY'S OP-ED THAT
WE SAW NIKKI HALEY'S OP-ED THAT DROPPED A SHORT TIME AGO.
DROPPED A SHORT TIME AGO. SOMEONE SHOULD PUT THEIR NAME TO
SOMEONE SHOULD PUT THEIR NAME TO IT, THEY SHOULD RESIGN.
IT, THEY SHOULD RESIGN. SOME PEOPLE FEEL WHOEVER DID
SOME PEOPLE FEEL WHOEVER DID THIS, THEIR COLLEAGUE WAS
THIS, THEIR COLLEAGUE WAS COWARDLY IN THE WAY THIS
COWARDLY IN THE WAY THIS TRANSPIRED IN "THE NEW YORK
TRANSPIRED IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES."
TIMES." BUT THE PRESIDENT IS OBVIOUSLY
BUT THE PRESIDENT IS OBVIOUSLY VERY UPSET, TAKING THIS VERY
VERY UPSET, TAKING THIS VERY SERIOUSLY.
SERIOUSLY. THE WHITE HOUSE HAS TRIED TO
THE WHITE HOUSE HAS TRIED TO PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT TODAY ON
PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT TODAY ON HIS COMMENTS THERE, SUGGESTING
HIS COMMENTS THERE, SUGGESTING HE WAS JUST OPINING ABOUT
HE WAS JUST OPINING ABOUT USING --
USING -- >> HE'S NOT OPINING.
>> HE'S NOT OPINING. HE'S THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF.
HE'S THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF. IT'S A LUDACRIS DEFENSE.
IT'S A LUDACRIS DEFENSE. >> IT'S PHLEGM SI, HIS WORDS
>> IT'S PHLEGM SI, HIS WORDS CARRY WAIT.
CARRY WAIT. THAT IS HOW THEY'RE TRYING TO
THAT IS HOW THEY'RE TRYING TO SLOW WALK A LITTLE BIT.
SLOW WALK A LITTLE BIT. I SPOKE TO RUDY GIULIANI ABOUT
I SPOKE TO RUDY GIULIANI ABOUT THIS WHO SUGGESTED THE ARGUMENT
THIS WHO SUGGESTED THE ARGUMENT MAY BE FLIMSY.
MAY BE FLIMSY. HE SAID WHY THERE COULD BE A
HE SAID WHY THERE COULD BE A NATIONAL SECURITY CONCERN IS NOT
NATIONAL SECURITY CONCERN IS NOT NECESSARILY ANYTHING IN THE
NECESSARILY ANYTHING IN THE OP-ED WAS A NATIONAL SECURITY
OP-ED WAS A NATIONAL SECURITY SECRET, BUT HIS REASONING WAS
SECRET, BUT HIS REASONING WAS SOMEONE WAS WILLING TO DO THAT,
SOMEONE WAS WILLING TO DO THAT, PLACE A COVERT OP-ED IN "THE NEW
PLACE A COVERT OP-ED IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES," THAT PERSON COULD
YORK TIMES," THAT PERSON COULD ALSO REVEAL NATIONAL SECURITY
ALSO REVEAL NATIONAL SECURITY SECRETS TO "THE NEW YORK TIMES"
SECRETS TO "THE NEW YORK TIMES" OR ANYONE ELSE.
OR ANYONE ELSE. >> THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE
>> THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE PRESIDENT DOING THAT.
PRESIDENT DOING THAT. I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT
I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT PRESIDENT OBAMA'S RETURN TO THE
PRESIDENT OBAMA'S RETURN TO THE STAGE.
STAGE. I THINK WE SAY EVERYONE LOOKS
I THINK WE SAY EVERYONE LOOKS EVEN BETTER THAN THEY DID IN THE
EVEN BETTER THAN THEY DID IN THE MOMENT IN THE TIME OF DONALD
MOMENT IN THE TIME OF DONALD TRUMP.
TRUMP. BUT CERTAINLY I HEARD JIM
BUT CERTAINLY I HEARD JIM MESSINA SAY PRESIDENT OBAMA WENT
MESSINA SAY PRESIDENT OBAMA WENT FARTHER THAN ANYONE THOUGHT HE
FARTHER THAN ANYONE THOUGHT HE WOULD DO.
WOULD DO. I THINK THAT WAS REALLY A
I THINK THAT WAS REALLY A WELCOME MESSAGE FROM DEMOCRATS
WELCOME MESSAGE FROM DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, AND IT REUPS
AND REPUBLICANS, AND IT REUPS THE QUESTION, WHERE ARE -- WHERE
THE QUESTION, WHERE ARE -- WHERE IS CONGRESS?
IS CONGRESS? WHY ARE WE SO THIRSTY FOR THIS
WHY ARE WE SO THIRSTY FOR THIS MESSAGE, THIS VERY SIMPLE BUT
MESSAGE, THIS VERY SIMPLE BUT VERY STRONG REBUKE OF PEOPLE WHO
VERY STRONG REBUKE OF PEOPLE WHO CAN'T PLAINLY AND EASILY AND
CAN'T PLAINLY AND EASILY AND QUICKLY KNOCK DOWN ANYONE THAT
QUICKLY KNOCK DOWN ANYONE THAT STANDS WITH NAZIS?
STANDS WITH NAZIS? >> I AGREE.
>> I AGREE. I THINK THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA WHO
I THINK THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA WHO I HAD A LOT OF ACCESS TO AND
I HAD A LOT OF ACCESS TO AND STILL STAY IN TOUCH WITH, WENT
STILL STAY IN TOUCH WITH, WENT FURTHER THAN I THOUGHT HE WOULD.
FURTHER THAN I THOUGHT HE WOULD. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> BUT I THINK THAT HE ALMOST
>> BUT I THINK THAT HE ALMOST HAD TO FOR THE GOOD OF THE
HAD TO FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS
YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS HE FELL ASLEEP WATCHING HIM.
HE FELL ASLEEP WATCHING HIM. HE SHOULD WAKE UP AND WATCH WHAT
HE SHOULD WAKE UP AND WATCH WHAT A PRESIDENT'S SUPPOSED TO DEAL
A PRESIDENT'S SUPPOSED TO DEAL WITH.
WITH. AND NOT JUST STYLE AND CARRIAGE,
AND NOT JUST STYLE AND CARRIAGE, BUT WHAT THE REPUBLIC STOOD FOR.
BUT WHAT THE REPUBLIC STOOD FOR. HE VERY METICULOUSLY WENT
HE VERY METICULOUSLY WENT THROUGH REPUBLICANS DID THIS AND
THROUGH REPUBLICANS DID THIS AND DEMOCRATS DID THIS AND WE'RE AT
DEMOCRATS DID THIS AND WE'RE AT A PLACE NOW WHERE IT SHOULDN'T
A PLACE NOW WHERE IT SHOULDN'T BE ABOUT PARTY.
BE ABOUT PARTY. AND HE DEFINED WHAT THE STATE IS
AND HE DEFINED WHAT THE STATE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT AND HOW
SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT AND HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO OPERATE.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO OPERATE. AND TRUMP NEEDS THAT LESSON.
AND TRUMP NEEDS THAT LESSON. AND I THINK AMERICANS WERE
AND I THINK AMERICANS WERE HUNGRY TO HEAR THAT AND WE DON'T
HUNGRY TO HEAR THAT AND WE DON'T SEE THAT LEADERSHIP IN THE
SEE THAT LEADERSHIP IN THE CONGRESS NOW.
CONGRESS NOW. WE CERTAINLY ARE NOT SEEING IT
WE CERTAINLY ARE NOT SEEING IT FROM EITHER SIDE.
FROM EITHER SIDE. HE GAVE THE GRAVITAS OF WHAT THE
HE GAVE THE GRAVITAS OF WHAT THE AMERICAN DREAM IS SUPPOSED TO BE
AMERICAN DREAM IS SUPPOSED TO BE EVEN FOR THOSE OF US THAT DON'T
EVEN FOR THOSE OF US THAT DON'T FEEL WE EQUALLY SHARE IN IT.
FEEL WE EQUALLY SHARE IN IT. SOMEBODY NEEDED TO BRING US
SOMEBODY NEEDED TO BRING US BACK, THOUGH.
BACK, THOUGH. >> LET ME PLAY SOMETHING FOR
>> LET ME PLAY SOMETHING FOR YOU, OBAMA ON THE REPUBLICANS.
YOU, OBAMA ON THE REPUBLICANS. THE STRONGEST IN THE SPEECH.
THE STRONGEST IN THE SPEECH. >> ALLIANCES, COZYING UP TO
>> ALLIANCES, COZYING UP TO RUSSIA, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE
RUSSIA, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?
REPUBLICAN PARTY? ITS CENTRAL ORGANIZING PRINCIPLE
ITS CENTRAL ORGANIZING PRINCIPLE IN FOREIGN POLICY WAS THE FIGHT
IN FOREIGN POLICY WAS THE FIGHT AGAINST COMMUNISM, AND NOW
AGAINST COMMUNISM, AND NOW THEY'RE COZYING UP TO THE FORMER
THEY'RE COZYING UP TO THE FORMER HEAD OF THE KGB.
HEAD OF THE KGB. ACTIVELY BLOCKING LEGISLATION
ACTIVELY BLOCKING LEGISLATION THAT WOULD DEFEND OUR ELECTIONS
THAT WOULD DEFEND OUR ELECTIONS FROM RUSSIAN ATTACK.
FROM RUSSIAN ATTACK. WHAT HAPPENED?
WHAT HAPPENED? >> WHAT HAPPENED?
>> WHAT HAPPENED? >> YOU SEE HE, THIS IS THE
>> YOU SEE HE, THIS IS THE THING.
THING. ORDINARILY I WOULD BE VERY LEARY
ORDINARILY I WOULD BE VERY LEARY OF A FORMER PRESIDENT FOR BOTH
OF A FORMER PRESIDENT FOR BOTH TACTICAL AS WELL AS MORAL
TACTICAL AS WELL AS MORAL REASONS ATTACKING HIS SUCCESSOR
REASONS ATTACKING HIS SUCCESSOR AS POLITICALLY AND AS
AS POLITICALLY AND AS AGGRESSIVELY AS OBAMA WOULD.
AGGRESSIVELY AS OBAMA WOULD. I KNOW OBAMA APPRECIATED THE
I KNOW OBAMA APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT GEORGE W. BUSH
FACT THAT GEORGE W. BUSH MAINTAINED PRETTY MUCH TOTAL
MAINTAINED PRETTY MUCH TOTAL RADIO SILENCE, TOOK TO PAINTING,
RADIO SILENCE, TOOK TO PAINTING, WHATEVER, DURING HIS PRESIDENCY.
WHATEVER, DURING HIS PRESIDENCY. >> AMONG OTHER THINGS.
>> AMONG OTHER THINGS. >> THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS DURING
>> THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS DURING NORMAL SUCCESSIONS, TRANSFERS OF
NORMAL SUCCESSIONS, TRANSFERS OF POWER.
POWER. WHAT I THINK OBAMA IS DOING IS
WHAT I THINK OBAMA IS DOING IS FILLING A VACUUM THAT HAS BEEN
FILLING A VACUUM THAT HAS BEEN LEFT BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
LEFT BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ITSELF.
ITSELF. WHERE WAS PAUL RYAN SAYING
WHERE WAS PAUL RYAN SAYING PRETTY MUCH WHAT OBAMA JUST
PRETTY MUCH WHAT OBAMA JUST SAID?
SAID? WHERE WAS MITCH McCONNELL?
WHERE WAS MITCH McCONNELL? WHERE WERE ANY OF THE LEADERS OF
WHERE WERE ANY OF THE LEADERS OF CONGRESS?
CONGRESS? THE ONLY ONE WHO STOOD UP, OF
THE ONLY ONE WHO STOOD UP, OF COURSE, LATE AND LAMENTED WAS
COURSE, LATE AND LAMENTED WAS JOHN McCAIN.
JOHN McCAIN. HE PROVIDED THAT LEADERSHIP THAT
HE PROVIDED THAT LEADERSHIP THAT IS NOW ABSENT.
IS NOW ABSENT. AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT IS
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR OBAMA TO STEP UP
IMPORTANT FOR OBAMA TO STEP UP BECAUSE THIS IS NOT AN ORDINARY
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT AN ORDINARY TRANSITION.
TRANSITION. THIS IS NOT AN ORDINARY PERIOD
THIS IS NOT AN ORDINARY PERIOD BECAUSE WHAT OBAMA IS DEFENDING
BECAUSE WHAT OBAMA IS DEFENDING ISN'T THIS OR THAT PARTISAN
ISN'T THIS OR THAT PARTISAN DEMOCRATIC POLICY.
DEMOCRATIC POLICY. HE'S REPRESENTING THE TRADITION
HE'S REPRESENTING THE TRADITION OF REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT THAT
OF REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT THAT SHOULD TRANSCEND ALL POLITICS
SHOULD TRANSCEND ALL POLITICS THAT HE'S SPEAKING AS A
THAT HE'S SPEAKING AS A PRESIDENT, NOT AS A LEADER OF
PRESIDENT, NOT AS A LEADER OF THE DEMOCRATS.
THE DEMOCRATS. >> I HEARD FROM HALF A DOZEN
>> I HEARD FROM HALF A DOZEN REPUBLICANS TODAY WHO SAID, MY
REPUBLICANS TODAY WHO SAID, MY GOD, WHAT I WOULDN'T GIVE FOR A
GOD, WHAT I WOULDN'T GIVE FOR A FOUR MORE YEARS OF THIS GUY TO
FOUR MORE YEARS OF THIS GUY TO GET RID OF DONALD TRUMP
GET RID OF DONALD TRUMP TOMORROW.
TOMORROW. >> HERE'S THE THING.
>> HERE'S THE THING. PRESIDENT OBAMA IS SPEAKING NOT
PRESIDENT OBAMA IS SPEAKING NOT JUST AS A GREAT AMERICAN, WHICH
JUST AS A GREAT AMERICAN, WHICH I THINK HE IS AND I THINK
I THINK HE IS AND I THINK THERE'S A ROLE FOR AS YOU SAID
THERE'S A ROLE FOR AS YOU SAID THE GRAVITAS OF THOSE WHO HAVE
THE GRAVITAS OF THOSE WHO HAVE THOSE PLATFORMS AND THOSE
THOSE PLATFORMS AND THOSE REPUTATIONS TO COME FORWARD.
REPUTATIONS TO COME FORWARD. BUT I THINK HE'S ALSO -- IT'S
BUT I THINK HE'S ALSO -- IT'S ALSO VERY IMPORTANT TO HEAR HIS
ALSO VERY IMPORTANT TO HEAR HIS VOICE BECAUSE HE'S RIGHT AND HE
VOICE BECAUSE HE'S RIGHT AND HE SAID THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE
SAID THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTIONS IN THE
MOST IMPORTANT ELECTIONS IN THE LIFETIME OF THOSE WHO ARE
LIFETIME OF THOSE WHO ARE VOTING.
VOTING. AND I THINK HE REALLY DOES HAVE
AND I THINK HE REALLY DOES HAVE THE ABILITY STILL TO TURNOUT THE
THE ABILITY STILL TO TURNOUT THE DEMOCRATIC BASE.
DEMOCRATIC BASE. AND IF YOU BELIEVE THAT IT'S
AND IF YOU BELIEVE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO ELECT DEMOCRATS
IMPORTANT TO ELECT DEMOCRATS BECAUSE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS
BECAUSE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS NO LONGER HELD ITS PART OF THE
NO LONGER HELD ITS PART OF THE BARGAIN IN AMERICAN DEMOCRACY,
BARGAIN IN AMERICAN DEMOCRACY, YOU KNOW, WHICH I DO BELIEVE AT

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