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  • I mean, I hadn't watched it until a few days ago, since it aired.

  • - So did I. Yeah, you saw it too.

  • - What a great show, I was LOL-ing for real.

  • Just alone, and watching it.

  • - It holds up.

  • - It holds up, it's funny from beginning to end, all of it's funny.

  • - Yeah, thank you.

  • - Even I was funny, and didn't think I was.

  • - You were very funny.

  • - I was so nervous, I was so nervous, and you were cracking me up.

  • Especially like in part two,

  • where you're talking about the civil rights and going to the back of the bus.

  • And like, my God, do we have to go to the back of the bus too?

  • Yeah, it was, everything, well,

  • I called you.

  • I was driving, I remember where I was.

  • I was pulling onto the 101, and I called you, and asked if you would do this.

  • And I was really shocked that you said yes.

  • And my second.. - I said yes immediately, did I not?

  • - Yeah, you did, you did.

  • It wasn't even one of those,

  • wait, let me think, let me see.

  • - Right. - Yes, uh-huh.

  • - And my second choice was Maya Angelou.

  • But you were my first choice.

  • And cuz I thought, first of all I love you, and you are the queen, and

  • I thought you would legitimize all of it.

  • You would make it like people would go, this is,

  • we're not trying to make a joke of this.

  • This is actually serious.

  • - Well, the thing is, I didn't even think about, I didn't even give it a thought.

  • I didn't even think, gee, what will this cost me?

  • What will other people say, how will I be presented?

  • I just said yes, because I so believed in your truth, and I so

  • wanted to support you.

  • - But did you, I mean, we've talked since then.

  • So when you said yes away, even though you've done all the shows about,

  • at that time... - I was doing Coming Out Day on the show.

  • - Right. - But

  • never using a dramatic format like what you had.

  • You had a different platform, in which to reach millions of people,

  • I heard 42 million people watched?

  • - Yeah, it was, at the time, I think,

  • the largest audience of.... - Wow.

  • - So, but you got so much hate mail.

  • - I couldn't believe it.

  • - I mean, like really nasty.

  • - It was so bad, the next day after the show, I flew back to Chicago.

  • And the next day, out switchboard,

  • I mean, we had to put another person on the switchboard.

  • I remember something like 900 and something calls, they couldn't keep up.

  • And I said, well, what are people saying?

  • And the switchboard operator's like, you don't wanna know, Ma'am,

  • you don't wanna know.

  • And I said, no, I really want to know what they're saying.

  • And so, I started looking at the sheet, and

  • there's a lot of, you go back to Africa.

  • And I was like, go back to Africa over a sitcom?

  • I was on an sitcom, I was talking to Ellen, and she spoke her truth.

  • And a lot of the N-word, a lot of vile, vitriolic stuff.

  • And, I've been thinking about it, knowing I was gonna come on the show.

  • And I was never so surprised, by the hatred

  • and how loud it was.

  • Because up until that time,

  • I never had that kind of thing slamming me in the face.

  • And what I thought was, gee, I misread that everybody was like us.

  • That they were open-minded, and that they were receptive, and

  • that, wanted people just to be who they are.

  • So it taught me a lot, actually, it really did.

  • - Yeah, it really, it was surprising how many people lay upset.

  • Because my whole thing, and I've said this before, that I was a comedian.

  • I was funny, and I just so happen to be gay, and I just got tired of hiding it.

  • And I thought, well, nothing is going change, I'm still funny,

  • I'm still the same person.

  • They're just now going to know, and plus, I assumed that people did know.

  • I didn't think it was gonna be that much of a shock, and so it really-

  • - But just 20 years ago,

  • nobody was actually saying it.

  • So I don't even think it was the shock,

  • it was like that woman, that clip that you ran earlier on my show.

  • Like, you don't have to tell anybody.

  • 20 years ago, people kept things to themselves, they were quiet.

  • You hid the fact that your husband had an affair, you didn't mention it.

  • You were pretending to be who you weren't,

  • in a way that we no longer find acceptable in our culture.

  • And you are responsible for so

  • much of that changing, you were the bravest woman ever.

  • - I'm happy that I.... [APPLAUSE]

  • - I found that in me.

  • Thank you.

  • When you think about it, when you think

  • about the kind of courage it took, and I know I did a full-on interview with you.

  • But now, with time and perspective, I mean, just watching the other

  • day for the first time since we did it.

  • I was thinking, well, if I got that kind of hate mail and

  • vitriol, what must you have gotten?

  • And what must that have done to your spirit at that time?

  • - Yeah, I have a lot of death threats, a lot.

  • And a lot of, and there was a bomb scare when we shot.

  • But it was, yeah, it was tough.

  • I mean, there was always, that's how you,

  • that's why most people don't come out as, cuz you think you can lose your career.

  • And so, people just choose a career over being truthful.

  • And I just decided to feel that that was truthful,

  • was more important than a career.

  • - But were you ever really scared?

  • Were you ever afraid that some crazy would actually act on it?

  • - Yeah, and I did have some incidents where I'd be walking down the street.

  • And people would scream out of car, and scream at me, or, yeah.

  • There were some violent things that happened.

  • But, and just being made fun of on late night television,

  • I was the butt of every joke.

  • I was constantly made fun of, and so it just turned around.

  • - You know what I think though?

  • This is what I think for

  • everybody who goes through anything where you have denied the truth of yourself.

  • And then you are brave enough, you have courage enough.

  • You have the courage,

  • because your whole calling is about you being who you were meant to be.

  • And the fact that you would not be who you are, Medal of freedom.

  • President Obama wouldn't have said those wonderful things about you,

  • that were all so true.

  • You wouldn't have been able to open hearts, and touch hearts, and

  • change people's minds.

  • And make a difference in the world, had you not had the courage to do that.

  • And 20 years ago, you had no idea it would put you in this seat.

  • - No, no, and that's why I always encourage people,

  • cuz it really did teach me.

  • No matter what the cost is at the time, it is always important.

  • Like you said, whatever you believe, whoever the essence of us is.

  • We're born, we are all individual, we are all unique, and

  • we are supposed to be that exact person.

  • We're not supposed to conform, we're not supposed be like somebody else,

  • we're not supposed to act like somebody else.

  • And as long as you stay true to exactly who you are,

  • you will be rewarded in ways that you can't imagine.

  • [APPLAUSE] - That's right, absolutely right.

  • - All right, thanks for coming, you have a-

  • [APPLAUSE]

  • - We have a message, a surprise message,

  • so, I don't know, there's a lot of surprises today.

  • - Okay.

  • - Hi, Oprah.

  • Hi, Ellen.

  • - Gosh, I wish I could be there

  • in person, but Barack keeps booking us on all these vacations.

  • In fact, I think we've got a kite surfing lesson in about five minutes, so

  • I'm going to make this short and sweet.

  • But seriously, Ellen, congratulations on the 20th

  • anniversary of announcing to the world who you really are.

  • Time and again, you have shown us what love really means.

  • You are brave, you are kind, you are a terrible person to go shopping with.

  • - And I absolutely adore you.

  • Congratulations again, love you much.

  • I love you too, Michelle!

  • We'll be right back.

I mean, I hadn't watched it until a few days ago, since it aired.

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