TRIUMPHANT YESTERDAY, WE STARTED TO WONDER, WHO IS GOING TO STEP

UP TO POTENTIALLY POSITION THEMSELVES AS A VP CANDIDATE

ALONGSIDE EITHER HILLARY OR BERNIE SANDERS? WHO WILL BE THE

ONE WHO CAN STAND AGAINST DONALD TRUMP AND ATTACK HIM IN A MORE

HONEST WAY THAN HE ATTACKS OTHER PEOPLE, BUT WITH THE SAME FERVOR

THAT HE DOES? AND WE MIGHT HAVE HAD AN EARLY EXAMPLE OF THAT

WITH ELIZABETH WARREN GOING ON A SOCIAL MEDIA TEAR AGAINST DONALD

TRUMP. SHE TWEETED THIS --

>> BY THE WAY, DAVID DUKE COMING OUT WITH VERY ENTHUSIASTIC WORDS

ABOUT DONALD TRUMP TODAY. SHE ALSO TWEETED --

>>

THOSE WERE THE KIND WORDS THAT I HAD TO SAY ABOUT TRUMP.

SHE FURTHER WENT ON TO SAY, AND I HAD ACTUALLY FORGOTTEN ABOUT

THIS ONE, IT IS ON FACEBOOK --

>> ALL TRUE.

>> IT IS SO WEIRD. SHE DIDN'T ATTACK HIM ON HIS STANCE ON

FRACKING OR INTERNATIONAL TRADE DEALS? OR HIS TAX POLICY? OR THE

WAY HE FEELS ABOUT MONEY IN POLITICS? SHE'S DOING ALL THE

SAME ATTACKS -- ALL THOSE ATTACKS, SHE COULD HAVE DONE IF

SHE WAS CAMPAIGNING TO BE THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR JOHN KASICH.

IT'S OBVIOUS AND LOW HANGING FRUIT TO ATTACK DONALD TRUMP AND

IT'S EASY, AND IT'S NOT COURAGEOUS, IT DOESN'T TAKE

GUTS, ALL SHE IS DOING --

>>APPARENTLY IT TAKES SOME BECAUSE SO FEW DEMOCRATS HAVE

DONE IT LIKE SHE HAS.

EVEN HILLARY CLINTON WAS ASKED TODAY, DO YOU AGREE HE'S A

SEXIST AND RACIST, AND SHE SAID I WILL LET ELIZABETH WARREN

SPEAK FOR HERSELF.

>>JUST BECAUSE HILLARY IS GUTLESS, DOES NOT MEAN IT TAKES

GUTS TO SAY THESE THINGS.

>>I THINK SIX MONTHS FROM NOW THEY WILL BE NO LACK OF

SAYING THESE THINGS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP.

>>WE HAVE ALSO LEARNED THIS YEAR THAT WAITING HURTS.

>>PERHAPS WAITING DOES HURT, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH THAT, BUT

WE WILL BE SICK OF HEARING THIS STUFF ABOUT DONALD

TRUMP AT A CERTAIN POINT.

>>I THINK -- WHAT DO YOU THINK? IT DOESN'T MATTER, DONALD TRUMP

IS NOT GOING TO BE PRESIDENT, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

>>I'M NOT SAYING I DISAGREE, BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD YOU SAY

THAT BEFORE.

WHAT YOU THINK THERE IS NO CHANCE?

>> I DON'T WANT TO PIMP THE NEXT STORY, BUT THERE IS ALL THAT --

>>I SEE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. WILL GET TO THAT SOON, BUT DO

YOU THINK --

>>I DON'T THINK YOU ARE PIMPING IT.

>>OR STEP ON IT,.

>>I LIKE PIMP, I THOUGHT MAYBE HE KNOWS A MEANING I DON'T KNOW.

>>I THOUGHT ABOUT IT FOR 11 SECONDS.

>>I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON THE NEXT STORY --

>>DON'T WORRY.

>>HILLARY IS THE LUCKIEST CANDIDATE, IN A SENSE, BECAUSE

SHE IS RUNNING AGAINST THE ONLY OTHER POLITICIAN WITH HIGHER

NEGATIVES THAN HERS, AND HIS OWN PARTY IS ALREADY COMING OUT --

THAT IS NOT HAPPENING IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, WHERE

MAINSTAYS -- YOU HAVE FRINGE GUYS LIKE ME SAYING SHIT

LIKE THAT, BUT NOT ELECTED OFFICIALS.

>>I HAVE SEEN THE GROWTH ON YOUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL, YOU ARE NOT

FRINGE. YOU ARE RIGHT, THE PARTICULAR THINGS SHE WAS

ATTACKING HIM ON ARE OF COURSE AVOIDING THE WEAK POINTS OF

HILLARY CLINTON, BUT THAT SAID, IF IT WAS UP TO YOU AND IF YOU

COULD PRESS A BUTTON AND CHOOSE WHO THE VP WOULD BE IF HILLARY

IS THE NOMINEE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE BERNIE, MOST LIKELY. AND

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LARRY LESSIG OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

ISN'T SHE ONE OF THE BEST WE CAN HOPE FOR?

>>YOUR REFLEX IS YES, THAT WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER SO WE WOULD

HAVE HER THERE AND SHE WOULD BE IN HILLARY'S EAR -- WEATHER THAT

MATTERS, I DON'T KNOW. BUT THERE IS THIS OTHER THEORY THAT THAT

WOULD HURT -- A HILLARY PRESIDENCY IS WORSE FOR THE

PROGRESSIVES THAN ACTUALLY A TRUMP PRESIDENCY, BECAUSE A LOT

OF PEOPLE IN THE MAINSTREAM ARE EVEN SAYING THAT EVEN THIS

ELECTION, HE COULD FLIP THE HOUSE AGAINST THE REPUBLICANS.

SO IF HE GETS IN AND HE IS NEUTERED, THERE IS A DEMOCRATIC

HOUSE AND SENATE AND IN FOUR YEARS WE SWITCH IT AGAIN, THERE

IS A CASE TO BE MADE THAT IT IS BETTER FOR PROGRESSIVES -- AND

IF HILLARY GETS IN AND SHE BRINGS ELIZABETH WARREN AND

CORRUPTS HER IN THAT WAY, THERE IS NO WAY HILLARY WILL BECOME A

PROGRESSIVE. THE IDEA THAT FDR WASN'T UNTIL -- THIS IS A PIPE

DREAM, WE HAVE 30 YEARS ON HER, WE KNOW WHO SHE IS. SHE WILL NOT

BECOME A PROGRESSIVE. ANYWAY, I WILL STOP THERE. MICHAEL?

>>THANKS FOR NOT PIMPING ME.

FIRST OF ALL I DON'T THINK ELIZABETH WARREN OR BERNIE

SANDERS WILL BE THE VP NOMINEE.

>>IS THAT GUT OR BASED ON CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE WHO --

>>IT IS GUT, BUT THE CONVERSATIONS I HAVE WITH

ANYBODY ELSE ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ONES I HAVE WITH YOU.

>>PROBABLY MORE INTELLIGENT.

>>YOU, YES. BUT NOT JIMMY.

>>WHO DO YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO BE?

>> IF SHE DECIDES -- I THINK THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE

BEEN TALKED ABOUT. PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT JULIAN CASTRO,

PEOPLE HAVE NOT TALKED AS MUCH ABOUT THOMAS PEREZ.

>>I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH HIM.

>>YOU SHOULD FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH HIM, BECAUSE HE IS

THE TYPE OF PERSON -- SECRETARY OF LABOR -- WHO IS VERY

PROGRESSIVE, LATINO, IT IS A NAME MANY PEOPLE WILL HAVE HEARD

HERE FIRST, BUT A LOT OF YOU HAVEN'T. PEOPLE KNOW WHO HE IS.

THAT IS THE KIND OF PROGRESSIVE SHE MIGHT LEAN TOWARD, OR SHE

MIGHT GO FOR A GOVERNOR OF A STATE THAT IS IMPORTANT TO GET.

>>YOU JUST GAVE ME A TERRIBLE THOUGHT. WHAT IF ONE OF THE

REASONS JOHN KASICH HAD TO LEAVE IS THAT SO HE CAN BEGIN

CAMPAIGNING ALONGSIDE HILLARY CLINTON?

>> HE WILL NOT DO THAT, BECAUSE HE AND TED STRICKLAND --

>>THEY WOULD ALMOST CERTAINLY WIN.

>>CHRIS MATTHEWS LITERALLY RECOMMENDED -- HE SAID HILLARY

CLINTON, IF HE WAS SMART --

>>THAT IS BECAUSE CHRIS MATTHEWS HAS HIGH-ENERGY ABOUT THIS

STUFF AND LOVES THIS FANTASY, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

IF SHE CROSSES THE BORDER TO A REPUBLICAN, WHICH SHE WILL

NOT DO, IT WOULDN'T BE KASICH EITHER.

>>YOU DON'T THINK THERE IS A CHANCE IN HELL -- WHAT IF SHE

PICKS AN INDEPENDENT? OR LINCOLN CHAFEE OR SOMEBODY.

>>YOU PICK A DEMOCRAT FROM A STATE WHO COULD MAYBE DELIVER THAT STATE.

>>LIKE SHERROD BROWN?

>>HE WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE HE IS FROM OHIO, BUT HE DOESN'T LOOK

LIKE WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF A VICE PRESIDENT LOOKING LIKE, DICK

CHENEY APART FROM THAT. BUT SOMEBODY LIKE TOM VILSACK,

SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE FROM IOWA, A STATE THAT WILL BE

IMPORTANT, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO SEE HOW THIS CAMPAIGN -- AS

TRUMP AND HILLARY ENGAGE, AND AS THE ELECTORATE IN THE ENSUING

WEEKS COMES TOGETHER, YOU HAVE TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING.

IF PEOPLE ARE RECOILING AT DONALD TRUMP EVERYWHERE, THEN IT

DOESN'T MATTER WHO SHE PICKS FOR AS PRESIDENT. FIRST OF ALL IT

DOESN'T MATTER ANYWAY, NOBODY VOTES FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT.

BUT IF SHE NEEDS TO APPEASE PEOPLE IN ORDER TO GET PAST

SOMETHING, THEN YOU GO IN THAT DIRECTION.

>> I THINK HER CHOOSING THEORETICALLY ELIZABETH WARREN,

SOME PROGRESSIVES WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THAT. I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH

-- I'M NOT THE POLITICAL HISTORIAN YOU ARE TO KNOW

EXACTLY GOING BACK HOW MUCH INFLUENCE IT ACTUALLY HAD,

THERE ARE CASES LIKE DICK CHENEY WHERE THEY SEEM TO HAVE A

LOT OF INFLUENCE.

>>THEY HAD INFLUENCE WHRN THEY WERE VICE PRESIDENT. DONALD

TRUMP IS GOING TO PICK SOMEONE LIKE A JOHN KASICH WHO CAN GO TO

CONGRESS AND KNOWS HOW TO NAVIGATE CONGRESS, BECAUSE HE

DOESN'T. GEORGE W. BUSH KNEW VERY LITTLE, HE THOUGHT BY

HAVING A FORMER SECRETARY, CHIEF OF STAFF, AND A CONGRESSMAN IN

DICK CHENEY, THAT WILL BE SOMEONE WHO WILL HELP ME ON THE

HILL. THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK EITHER. BARACK OBAMA SELECTED

RAHM EMANUEL TO BE HIS CHIEF OF STAFF, THAT WAS A DISASTROUS

PICK. YES HE KNEW THE CONGRESS -- EVERYONE IN CONGRESS HATED HIM.

THAT WAS THE WRONG PERSON TO PICK. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT

THE VICE PRESIDENT BRINGS -- SAY ALL OF A SUDDEN DONALD

TRUMP IS DOING SO POORLY THAT A STATE LIKE MISSISSIPPI COMES

INTO PLAY FOR THE DEMOCRATS, WHICH IS NOT FAR-FETCHED,

BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF BLACK VOTERS WHO ARE VERY ACTIVE

THERE, THEY HAVE LIBERAL WHITE DEMOCRATS, THE DEMOCRATS THERE

ARE LIBERAL WHITE DEMOCRATS. THEY COULD GO INTO MISSISSIPPI

AND SAY THERE MIGHT BE SOMEBODY IN THIS STATE, A FORMER

GOVERNOR, FORMER CONGRESSMAN, MIKE ESPY -- I'M THINKING OUT

LOUD RIGHT NOW -- YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPREAD OUR

DEMOCRATIC MESSAGE INTO MISSISSIPPI.

>>HALEY BARBOUR?

>>HALEY AND HILLARY.

>> TRUMP AND KASICH HAVE BICKERED LESS THAN SOME REPUBLICANS AT

THIS POINT, I THINK CHOOSING ELIZABETH WARREN -- SOME

PROGRESSIVES WOULD LIKE THAT, BUT PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANTLY,

AND FOR THE SAME REASON I SAID TED CRUZ MADE A GOOD MOVE BY

CHOOSING CARLY FIORINA, NOT THAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY HELP HIM --

BUT IF YOU SIMPLY HAVE HILLARY CLINTON AND ELIZABETH WARREN,

DONALD TRUMP CAN NOW ATTACK THEM IN DISGUSTING WAYS. TWO WOMEN

WHO THINK THEY CAN BE NOT JUST PRESIDENT BUT VICE PRESIDENT? HE

WILL BREAK HIS PHONE TWEETING BAD THINGS ABOUT THEM. AND HE

HAS DONE WORSE WHEN HE REMINDS PEOPLE HOW CHILDISH HE IS.

>> AND SPEAKING OF THAT, AL FRANKEN IS SOMEONE WHO DOES WELL

WHEN HE CAN GET INTO THE KIND OF INSULTING THING, VERY SMART,

VERY CAUSTIC WHEN HE NEEDS TO BE, COULD PLAY THAT GAME WITH

HIM. BUT AGAIN, NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE VICE PRESIDENT. THE

VICE PRESIDENT AND THE NOMINEE DON'T GET INTO IT THAT MUCH, YOU

DID NOT SEE JOE BIDEN AND MITT ROMNEY GOING AT IT MUCH.

>>THAT IS TRUE, BUT I THINK WITH