JASON TRENNERT, ALL-STAR

STRATEGIST.

WE'RE GOING TO GO RIGHT BACK TO

WASHINGTON, D.C.

AS WE MUST TO TALK TO

CONGRESSMAN BYRON DONALDS OF THE

GREAT STATE OF FLORIDA.

BYRON, WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW.

HAPPY NEW YEAR, WHY DID YOU VOTE

FOR JIM JORDAN.

I THOUGHT URN VOTING FOR KEVIN

McCARTHY.

IT ISN'T CLEAR HE HAS THE VOTES.

DO I THINK KEVIN HAS ABILITY TO

GET THERE?

YEAH.

THERE IS A LOT OF WORK TO BE

DONE.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO ASK MEMBERS

TO VOTE OVER, OVER AND OVER

AGAIN TO WEAR PEOPLE DOWN.

I THINK IT HAS THE OPPOSITE

EFFECT.

MY VIEW FOR US CALL RECESS, GET

IN A ROOM.

FIGURE IT OUT.

YOU KNOW, HAVE THOSE

CONVERSATIONS AND GO BACK TO THE

FLOOR WHEN WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE

SOMEBODY PREPARED TO GET 218.

BUT IT IS NOT KEVIN McCARTHY

RIGHT NOW.

QUITE FRANKLY, IT ISN'T LIKE IT

IS ANYBODY.

WE SHOULD NOT BE ON THE FLOOR

VOTING.

THAT IS MY APPOINTMENT.

I THINK WHERE WE SHOULD BE

GOING.

WITH RESPECT TO JIM JORDAN, HE

WILL MAKE A TREMENDOUS SPEAKER.

HE WILL BE A GOOD PERSON TO

REPRESENT HOUSE REPUBLICANS TO

DO THE JOB ON AMERICAN PEOPLE.

LARRY: JIM JORDAN IS A BRILLIANT

CONSERVATIVE AND GOOD AT

ANYTHING HE TRIES TO DO.

HE IS A VERY DEAR FRIEND OF MINE

FOR SEVERAL DECADES.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

HE NOMINATED McCARTHY ON THE

SECOND BALLOT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT JIM IS REALLY

RUNNING.

LISTEN, BYRON, YOU ARE A GREAT

FRIEND, YOU'RE A GREAT FRIEND OF

THE SHOW.

I'M JUST CONCERNED, NOT FOR YOU

PER SE BUT FOR SOME OTHERS THAT

THIS IS ABOUT PERSONALITIES AND

NOT ABOUT POLICIES BECAUSE I

THINK, KEVIN McCARTHY IS

CERTAINLY A CONSERVATIVE RECORD.

HE HAS BROUGHT THE REPUBLICAN

HOUSE UP THE LAST TWO CYCLES.

I'M JUST NOT SURE I SEE THE CASE

AGAINST HIM.

HE HAS GIVEN YOU, I DON'T KNOW

GIVEN TO YOU WHAT YOUR REQUEST

WAS, HE ACCEDED TO AT LEAST ONE

DEMAND THAT IS WITH FIVE

REPUBLICAN VOTES ON THE FLOOR,

VACATE THE CHAIR AND HAVE A VOTE

OF NO KIDS.

YOU TELL ME, BYRON WHAT IS THE

CASE AGAINST McCARTHY AT THIS

POINT?

>> WELL I'VE, I DIDN'T ASK KEVIN

FOR ANYTHING.

I VOTED FOR HIM ON THE FIRST TWO

BALLOTS.

AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU EVER

TO CLOSE THE DEAL THIS IS IT

NOTHING NEW, THERE ARE

DISAGREEMENTS COULD HE GET TO

218 VOTES ON THE FLOOR FOR TWO

MONTHS NOW.

THE BIGGEST ISSUE, IF YOU CAN'T

CLOSE THIS DEAL, AT WHAT POINT

DO MEMBERS START LOOKING

ELSEWHERE?

BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A ORGANIZE

CONGRESS.

WE DO HAVE TO ELECT A SPEAKER OF

THE HOUSE BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE

218 VOTES.

NOT JUST ABOUT HAVING A MAJORITY

OF THE REPUBLICAN CONFERENCE.

A MAJORITY OF THE COMMITTEE AS A

WHOLE, THE WHOLE BODY.

TOUGH GET THERE.

RIGHT NOW HE IS NOT THERE.

YOU HAVE US LOOKING AT

ALTERNATIVES.

WHEN I WAS IN BUSINESS IF YOU

COULDN'T GET THE DEAL DONE YOU

HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THAT IS NOT A PERSONAL SLIGHT

AGAINST KEVIN McCARTHY.

THAT IS THE REALITY ON THE HOUSE

FLOOR RIGHT NOW.

I BELIEVE WE SHOULD TAKE A

RECESS, GO SPEAK AS MEMBERS,

FIGURE THIS THING OUT.

COME BACK IN TO HAVE ANOTHER

ROUND OF BALLOTS.

BUT CONTINUOUSLY VOTE AFTER VOTE

AFTER VOTE LIKE THIS IS NOT IN

THE BEST INTEREST OF THE

REPUBLICAN CONFERENCE RIGHT NOW.

LARRY: BYRON, IS THIS THIRD

BALLOT OVER?

IS IT COMPLETED?

>> NO ACTUALLY HAPPENING RIGHT

NOW AS WE SPEAK.

LARRY: MAKE GIVE US A

PLAY-BY-PLAY FOR A FOOTBALL

GAME, HOW MANY NAY VOTES

MR. McCARTHY HAVE AT THIS

POINT?

>> THE LAST NUMBER I SAW, MAYBE

SIX, SEVEN.

ALREADY PUT THE YOU IN THE

NEGATIVE COLUMN.

I THINK WE'RE ONLY HALFWAY

THROUGH THE ALPHABET.

THERE WAS MORE TO GO.

LOOK AT THE END OF THE DAY DO I

BELIEVE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO

FIGURE THIS OUT?

OF COURSE WE'RE GOING TO ELECT A

SPEAKER.

WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT WORK

DONE BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT

FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO

UNDERSTAND UNLIKE THE DEMOCRATS

WHO DO LEADERSHIP BY ACCLAMATION

WE'RE HAVING A DELIBERATIVE

PROCESS WHAT LEADERSHIP LOOKS

LIKE IN THE HOUSE OF

REPRESENTATIVES.

WE KNOW WASHINGTON DOES NOT

WORK.

HAVING A DELIBERATIVE DISCUSSION

IN SOME PARTS IS MESSY AT TIMES

IN THE LONG TERM, IN THE BEST

INTERESTS OF AMERICA AND OF THE

BODY OF THE HOUSE OF

REPRESENTATIVES.

LARRY: I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM

WITH IT.

AS I WAS TALKING TO

NEWT GINGRICH EARLIER ON THE

SHOW, YOU KNOW, BYRON, YOU'RE

ALL GOING TO BE FRONT PAGE NEWS.

THAT IS KIND OF A COOL THING.

THAT IS NOT WHAT JOE BIDEN

WANTS.

ALL OF SUDDEN THE REST OF THE

COUNTRY AND THE REST OF THE

WORLD WILL SEE REPUBLICANS

TAKING OVER THE HOUSE AGAIN AND

THEY WILL ELECT A FINE SPEAKER

LEADER AT SOME POINT WHOEVER IT

MAY BE, AND YOU MEAN BUSINESS.

I DON'T THINK JOE BIDEN WANTED

YOU TO HAVE THE PUBLICITY AT

ALL.

I SEE A LOT OF GOOD COMING OUT

OF THIS, HOW ABOUT THAT?

>> I THINK YOU MAKE REALLY VALID

POINTS.

OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF THE BIG

MEDIA, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER

NETWORKS, LIKE SAYING

REPUBLICANS SEEMS LIKE THEY

CAN'T GOVERN ALL THIS NONSENSE.

THAT IS NOT TRUE AT ALL.

I THINK WHEN YOU HAVE REAL

DIVISIONS AND DISCUSSIONS HAVE

DEBATES FIND WAYS TO COME

TOGETHER THAT IS A GOOD THING.

THAT IS WHAT CONGRESS IS

SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT.

IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A

DELIBERATIVE PROCESS NOT WHERE

EVERYBODY IS JUST, EVERYTHING IS

DONE BY ACT LAMATION OR

CORONATIONS.

THAT IS NOT AGAINST KEVIN I I

THINK KEVIN HAS DONE A

TREMENDOUS JOB AS LEADER.

WHAT IS HAPPENING TODAY,

SOMETHING WE'VE KNOWN FOR SIX

WEEKS HE DOESN'T HAVE THE VOTES

TO GET TO 218.

SO THE BIGGEST QUESTION FOR

REPUBLICAN CONFERENCE WHO CAN

GET VOTES TO 218?

LARRY: YOU'RE SAYING TAKE A

RECESS AFTER THIS BALLOT,

REGROUP?

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

LARRY: I DON'T SEE ANYTHING

WRONG WITH THAT.

I WOULD THINK MANY OF YOUR

COLLEAGUES MIGHT AGREE.

COULD BE WORSE, BYRON, IN 1856

IT WENT 133 BALLOTS, 1856.

IT COULD BE WORSE.

>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT,

THAT MANY BALLOTS.

I PROMISE YOU THAT.

LARRY: BYR