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  • this is an all ears English podcast episode 1899.  

  • don't knock it till you try it how to  get people to experiment in English

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  • app [Music] do you like to try new things if  you have someone in your life who refuses to  

  • try something new what can you say to them in  English learn one key vocabulary phrase today

  • [Music] hey Lindsay how are you hey Michelle I'm  doing great with shaking on your end oh nothing  

  • nothing nothing have you tried anything new  lately like a new food or a new experience any  

  • anything different yes you know what I tried the  other night which I regretted actually because my  

  • mouth was on fire was buffalo sauce wait you never  tried it I really had never tried buffalo sauce  

  • really because I was always confused what it meant  like you might is this buffalo wings buffalo sauce  

  • I think we've talked about this before actually  on the show but I really had never tried buffalo  

  • sauce but the problem is I ate it in a bowl so  I took a bowl of white rice like sushi rice and  

  • then I added this weird mixture of um celery and  jalapenos that I had gotten from Whole Foods and  

  • then I put buffalo sauce on that and I think I ate  at the same time a potent jalapeno along with the  

  • buffalo sauce it sounds like a crazy time lens  my mouth was on fire Michelle I was gonna say I  

  • was like I cannot breathe it was so yeah stay away  from Buffalo sauce well wait but do you think it  

  • was just because you added the jalapeno like you  think it was just too much or like do you like  

  • like will you try it again if it was that's the  problem I don't know if it was the buffalo sauce  

  • or the jalapeno or both but it was really my mouth  was on fire it was crazy well I like buffalo sauce  

  • but um that's pretty funny so I mean are you would  you say you really open to trying new things like  

  • like there are some people who like will not try  a certain type of food or you know you know yeah  

  • um yeah I would say you know for me I like trying  new things but sometimes like for example a couple  

  • weekends ago we were in Santa Barbara with some  family California and you know Santa Barbara's a  

  • town with a lot of good wine right it's famous for  wine and they we went to two different wineries  

  • or kind of not wineries or just shops in town  it's not like we're going out to the vineyard  

  • they wanted to do tastings but sometimes like  flights like a little little tiny bit of this  

  • that that but for me it's not super satisfyingjust want to choose a wine and have a glass I want  

  • to fully enjoy it and just relax I don't want  to try all these different kinds of wine right  

  • um but by the time I've had a tasting I can't have  any more wine it's like I want the experience of  

  • sometimes trying something new I could waste an  opportunity to enjoy the thing if I don't like  

  • it you know right right right right interesting  interesting yeah yeah yeah I mean like for me I  

  • hate olives I'm sure I've said that I know that  was so crazy I can't even believe that well  

  • uh so if there's like an olive spread you know  like it isn't something that has right exactly  

  • like I I probably wouldn't try it but I could  actually be missing out on something good right  

  • like you could be yeah right like or I meanthink that we also like as as people in general  

  • I think there's a tendency to think that you might  not like something not like movie not like a like  

  • like I think okay like I don't particularly love  running but I've also you know I've run I've I've  

  • you know a little bit in my life you know but  like if I actually like tried and was motivated  

  • with your running shoes went out there right like  and and I met I was training you know like you  

  • you never know what you could get into like or my  son with food I mean it's a it's a crazy game out  

  • there my constant battle is it a constant battle  trying to get him to try new things yeah it used  

  • to not he used to be like a great eater and now  uh huh he became interesting like yeah he's in  

  • like kind of a pickier stage but he's not too  bad um but yeah like so anyway but let's get to  

  • this expression because okay uh there's a there's  an expression that someone can use to encourage  

  • um you know someone else to try something new and  stop like just kind of like it's basically trying  

  • to tell someone to be open-minded right yes yes so  let's see what is that expression okay guys write  

  • this one down this is going to be a great takeaway  for today don't knock it till you try it I love  

  • this let's break this down for our listeners  you know what is it what does it mean exactly  

  • okay so it means don't say something bad or think  something bad about something because you don't  

  • know if it will actually be good so it's basically  like you don't even know if you like something you  

  • know like you haven't opened yourself up to the  chance that you might like you might actually  

  • like something a little bit different yeah and  the expression to knock something what exactly  

  • does that mean on its own Michelle I think knock  would just be like more like being critical in  

  • some way right right or right and do we use that  in any other like times any other situations I  

  • don't really like I don't think we like you know  you might just really right yeah I don't think I  

  • would say like oh she was knocking the you know  like I wouldn't say like oh she was knocking the  

  • restaurant I don't know I guess I I thinkactually would maybe you would yeah I think I  

  • would say that right oh you know well you know  maybe don't knock that restaurant I would use  

  • it more in the negative form so right I just want  to make sure our listeners are clear Michelle the  

  • difference between knock like criticize and knock  like knock right knock on the door right exactly  

  • okay so that's different meanings right I mean but  Lindsay so do you say don't knock it till you try  

  • it I do I do I like that absolutely I could to  try to get someone to try something new like I  

  • think there are still people out there who don't  want to try sushi they're afraid to try sushi I  

  • feel like as a as a world culture we have started  to eat sushi I feel like in the 80s no one really  

  • ate sushi in American culture you know I think  people didn't really know what it was they're  

  • afraid of it so this might have been a good one  to use back in the 80s don't knock it till you  

  • try it raw fish it's actually great right don't  be afraid yeah right right right exactly exactly  

  • but do you think if somebody says this to you do  you could you could you find it irritating or a  

  • little annoying I don't know it depends I guess um  no I think it wouldn't bother me I think it's good  

  • to have people in your life that always remind  you that you should try something new get out of  

  • your comfort zone that's kind of you know my dad  used to do that for me he would encourage I would  

  • always go I share the story about the McDonald's  Happy Meal but also when I was a kid I always at  

  • restaurants not McDonald's but just restaurants  I would always order a hamburger and he would  

  • challenge me every time I say order something  other than a hamburger you know don't always order  

  • the same thing so it's good to have these people  in our lives I think it's okay as long as you're  

  • not being like calling someone out or embarrassing  them in any way what do you think Michelle  

  • um yeah yeah I think that's true like if you're  on yeah exactly as long as you're not like calling  

  • them out and you know away and yeah if your  intention is good like we've talked about that  

  • you know if you have like a sincere kind of like  fun intention I think that's fine but if you're  

  • just like I don't know sometimes you know people  don't want to be bothered all the time like if  

  • you use it like every single time with somebody  who's like you know that they only like you know  

  • that they're kind of picky and they're eating  or something and you're like constantly you  

  • know it just can be like bugging them right or uh  sometimes people have very serious allergies right  

  • um and you may not know that so that may be  the reason they're not gonna try that thing  

  • like I know two people and actually at my wedding  this past summer we could not serve fish for this  

  • reason we had two good friends who are deadly  allergic to fish like if they're anywhere around  

  • fish if they get the tiniest bit on their fork or  even if they kind of like smell it they can their  

  • throats can close that it's bad it's bad bad  bad so you know that could be a reason someone  

  • might not be trying Sushi it's not that they're  closed-minded it means that they have some kind of  

  • allergy or stomach issue or something that could  be dangerous right right that's true so that's a  

  • very good point like you don't know why you know  yeah you have to be careful of that yeah for sure  

  • yeah so so Michelle this concept of till let's  just let our listeners know about that too what  

  • do we need to know there right right we didn't say  don't knock it until you try it right we just say  

  • tell like which is short for until right so why  do you think we don't say until I think we like  

  • to take the easy way out when it comes to English  you know what I mean we like to just say what's  

  • easy to say and we don't shorten till just in this  phrase right Michelle there are other times we  

  • would shorten until and say till right right right  right yeah right exactly exactly a tons of times  

  • um right we were out till midnight you know  having drinks and and dancing right out till  

  • midnight all the time we would use it not just in  specific phrases exactly exactly till is very very  

  • common mm-hmm okay Michelle so where do we go from  here should we show our listeners a couple of role  

  • plays let's do it all right here we go so oh wow  look at that delicious olive spread ew Lindsay I  

  • hate olives that spread must be gross hey don't  knock it till you try it oh Michelle I can't  

  • believe you hate olives you'll never get it I'm  gonna play that role now how when did you first  

  • realize that you hate hated olives when you were  a kid yeah I think so and I mean I can't have an  

  • olive touch anything that I was gonna like you  know it just like has such a strong taste like  

  • if it was like on a pizza or like in a salad  and I just like gave it no but but olive oil  

  • I like olive oil like have you tried all kinds  of all is it all like if you go to Whole Foods  

  • they always have those bars the Mediterranean bar  yeah yeah yeah like is it all the olives or just  

  • certain ones I haven't sampled all the olives  yeah exactly right maybe I mean maybe there  

  • would be one Olive out of the bunch maybe I would  like I mean that's true because I like pickles so  

  • I feel like oh okay yeah like it's not likedon't like that kind of like a strong taste but  

  • I don't know you might be able to find it kind  of all of you like you know like there's a very  

  • different taste between the um what are they  called the the black ones the brown black ones  

  • and like the more meaty green ones I think they're  very different in taste so give it a try give it  

  • a try yeah well you never there maybe there's  an olive out for me something there might be

  • for your role play all right here we go Lindsay  you're doing hot yoga again yeah you should come  

  • with me I can't I think it would be too hard uh  come on don't knock it till you try it so guys  

  • you're just seeing a lot of examples of where this  would fit in right where this would make sense  

  • exactly all right and let's do one more okay okay  uh I'm going skydiving with my cat what it's the  

  • latest craze I did it once before and it was so  much fun that's wild I would never do that don't  

  • knock it till you try it I hope that's not a thing  oh my God yeah just the other day Dan asked me if  

  • I would ever go skydiving and I was like no with  a cat any any Sky time would you say no would you

  • um I'm on the fence about that I think I would  have a hard time stepping like taking that step  

  • yeah off the off the helicopter or the plane or  whatever you go I think I think I would struggle  

  • I'd probably waste my money yeah I'd come down  yeah bye exactly um so yeah but guys also I  

  • wanted to highlight something we like we usually  say it like this don't knock it till you try it  

  • right yeah yeah it's all about the intonation  guys make sure you use that intonation don't  

  • knock it till you try it all right very clear  clearly challenging the person a little bit and  

  • it's kind of a positive feeling to it right right  right right exactly I don't unlock till you try it  

  • should we go over a few more do we have time orthink I think let's save those for another episode

  • stay tuned all right yeah stay tuned guys so  what's the takeaway for today well first of  

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  • going to be answering in the next couple of  episodes Michelle where should we leave our  

  • listeners though about today's topic okay well  yeah I mean don't knock it till you try it that's  

  • a really commonly used expression it's a way to  try and get someone to get out of their comfort  

  • zone Lindsay which is what you mention yes and  two you know just like because I think that it  

  • can be easy when you're in that moment to just  feel like no I'm not doing that and when someone  

  • says don't knock it till you try it it kind of  like snaps you out of that for a second yeah  

  • exactly yeah exactly so Michelle what you have  to do now is go to Whole Foods immediately and  

  • take a sample of every Olive at the olive bar  and tell us tell us on the next episode if you  

  • found an olive that you like all of the perfect  Olive for me the perfect Olive the olive search  

  • I love it I love it so good all right well  this was fun Lindsay and uh let's time to  

  • go skydiving with a cat yeah good luck good  luck with that I'll talk to you soon bye bye