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  • All right.

  • Welcome.

  • Welcome.

  • What's popping now?

  • Today we have a special guest.

  • We have John Kim.

  • He actually also has a YouTube channel.

  • It's called Soul Encoded.

  • So you guys should check that out.

  • He has a lot of good insights.

  • Now.

  • The reason why I have him today is because he has a very special case.

  • He did not come from C s background.

  • He don't even have a siesta key.

  • No, he does not.

  • But where do you work?

  • I work at Capital Capital one as a software engineer for engineer.

  • Yeah.

  • Yeah, I just got senior too.

  • So that's why I never got to see you, but yeah.

  • So, as you can see, it's very possible to get a soft engineering job without a degree, so we're gonna be talking about that.

  • All right, So before we start, I just want to ask a few questions.

  • Yeah, you know, just to determine what kind of engineer you are.

  • So first question, Mac or PC both excellent.

  • You can't choose both.

  • I have both used at work.

  • Do you?

  • He's mad because you mean Oh, shit.

  • I thought would be the officer.

  • I thought you would use Mac personally and then PC at work?

  • No, Capital one's pretty hip man holding a one.

  • I work for seven.

  • No, they gave me windows.

  • Yeah.

  • Okay.

  • So what about home?

  • Use windows?

  • I used both, but windows for gaming.

  • Oh, you got everything else?

  • Development?

  • Yeah.

  • I mean, it makes sense.

  • Windows for interesting spaces or cabs.

  • Tabs.

  • Okay.

  • What's your favorite?

  • I d I like I like a lot.

  • I like Adam Right now.

  • You're asking this?

  • Do you use like, any special plug ins?

  • Yeah, tons.

  • I try to not go to river.

  • Yeah.

  • I don't want to get too close.

  • Yeah, there's, like, one We're like Like it's a number that pops out about language.

  • Is your favorite language like Java script right now, people like hate it.

  • So did I.

  • Love let No, Jess, my jam.

  • And also Google with V eight engine.

  • It's amazing.

  • It's pretty cool.

  • All right, so I guess now we're just gonna go over more like a personal question just to get to know you better.

  • So, as a kid, I mean, I'm guessing maybe you didn't know much of my engineering and stuff like that, But did you have any affinity to building things.

  • Yeah.

  • I mean, Legos.

  • My thing for a while, I actually just really like video games.

  • That was, like, my thing.

  • I hated studying.

  • I just like making stuff in video games.

  • And yeah, that was an engineer.

  • So I kind of have, like, drilled me, like, making stuff.

  • I got to important questions.

  • First question.

  • Which games do you play?

  • Super smash.

  • That was like my They wait, Milly, actually, yeah.

  • No, seriously, What was the character I played?

  • She fuck, man, I paid Martin, and she is usually like she would have an advantage against Mark.

  • Really?

  • I didn't get that.

  • Like into it.

  • I played.

  • I played a lot.

  • Like did you ever go to competitions?

  • No.

  • I mean, my parents, like June, was you know how to use like Dad.

  • Yeah.

  • Okay.

  • What about this second question?

  • So you work for capital one now?

  • You like enjoying job?

  • Yeah, I love, actually.

  • My boss is a really good capitalize.

  • Really good perks.

  • So a lot of people don't understand.

  • I know this because Cabriolet is more East Coast company and the huge crazy campuses, it's not a boring or the reason The reason why I ask is because you love video games, right?

  • Yeah.

  • Sells worrying.

  • Like, do you ever think about moving to game development?

  • So the thing is, I have a few friends who are in games, and then they're number one typists and knocking into games, if you like.

  • You hurt.

  • Like when you work for gaming, it's sexual dreams.

  • You?

  • Yeah, and video game programming is probably one of the hardest to do and time consuming to just make a little guy.

  • Yeah, that makes sense.

  • So maybe no plans to go now.

  • And the money's in, Like, to be honest, the money's in, like, web.

  • Cool.

  • Cool.

  • So what about on your free time?

  • Like, what do you do in our days?

  • Like, have a have a newborn, So really?

  • Yeah, I am.

  • You look so young, but I'm married, so Oh, wow.

  • Yeah, it's that takes up a lot of time to make you two videos, but I actually, like, really enjoyed program, and I'm, like, kind of lucky bag to do that for a living.

  • All right, so I guess before we start, I should one question.

  • So what did you do in college?

  • first of all, so actually just studied economics.

  • And so what did you want to do before college?

  • Did you wanna be a become promised?

  • Even with school?

  • No, actually, my dad's an engineer, and he's always pushed me to be an engineer, but I was pretty bad schools rebel.

  • Yeah, I got it.

  • I got it.

  • Okay, So you did economics, and then would you end up with the Jew do internships or anything?

  • I did, like zero internship.

  • So I should have brought a stopwatch video.

  • You are.

  • You're really I was probably, like playing Starcraft.

  • Probably let's get that makes sense.

  • But so that's the thing.

  • So you did economics, and then you didn't do any internships, and then Did you manage job right after you graduated?

  • No, actually, I did it.

  • So it was like 2010 right after the financial crisis.

  • So it was really tough.

  • Market was freaked out, So Okay, so I'm going back to school for this cat program.

  • It's like this isn't Santa Clara.

  • It's like a I want to say like, eight months program where youse get all the classes for accounting and then you got accounting job.

  • Yeah, and then I got my account.

  • So I had, like, interviews and like me and why I like force by pretty good.

  • I mean, I have a lot of friends.

  • Who?

  • Yeah, I get that, e I ended up working at a small Korean firm.

  • Nice.

  • Cool.

  • So then when did you start knowing about according or you knew before?

  • But you just didn't get into it.

  • So it was actually, during that time, my friends and I, we kind of got together.

  • We're just tinkering.

  • It was my roommate, another friend who I can't just got back.

  • He was like studying Was unemployment just started tinkering, and I actually started doing art instead.

  • Okay, So you guys were making app and you were doing that part?

  • Yeah.

  • I did, like, design made, like, like circles and squares.

  • And then you started lying to code.

  • Is that how it happened?

  • Actually, it came out of necessary.

  • They found jobs as engineers.

  • Essentially, I went back to San Jose and then I was like, I have all these are skills still wanna make like caps.

  • So that's when I started.

  • Yeah.

  • Uh, if you don't mind me asking, what was the Apple.

  • This is video games.

  • We made this hamster.

  • That's actually really I'll probably find.

  • Was it like a cute game where it was like it was a cute kid?

  • So when it's okay, what was your first development job?

  • How'd you get that?

  • Actually, my first development actual job would be this current one.

  • Yeah, but I knew a CEO in Korea who had a small company I did some stuff with.

  • I call that my connections, connections, connections are the grind.

  • And Russell, that's all that so Yeah, Indiana.

  • I just want to talk about how important connections are because, yes, I talked about internships and all that.

  • But Indiana, the reason why I got this internship was because of connections and that connection for me issue Waterloo, you know, because they're known to produce like, high quality engineers.

  • And then that's why they hire us.

  • So Indian connections are really important.

  • I hate the word networking, but I do think that's one of the most valuable skill you have.

  • Great and sometimes not even lights about luck.

  • If you happen to know someone, for example, I happen to know my brother.

  • And he happened to be you know he paved the way for me, so yeah.

  • So how did you even get those?

  • Capital One?

  • So you got a few internships, like with the Korean CEO?

  • Yeah, and damn Well, what else was only resume.

  • So I like self study on and off for like, three years.

  • I tried like us, but I ended up going to a bouquet, actually.

  • So that was probably the biggest like boost.

  • But the boot camp itself doesn't really help you in terms of boosting your resident.

  • Actually, sometimes it's considered a negative.

  • Like there's, like people looking for, like, new bouquet operations.

  • Right?

  • But I get a lot of products and hackathons when I was OK, So what was that can call?

  • It's called Deaf bouquet and how much how much it costs.

  • So the total was like 13,000 I believe.

  • Maybe 15,000.

  • I forget.

  • Exactly, but this is pretty hefty.

  • It was a decent amount, luckily, I guess.

  • Like, how did you choose your bouquet?

  • Because now there are so many.

  • Yeah, and some people think some of them are scam.

  • Some of them are not sure know how?

  • Why this one.

  • So it kind of goes back to connections.

  • I did A So what dream my whole time.

  • Like investigating about programming.

  • I started podcast where I like interviewed software engineers.

  • And there was this one guy do I interview.

  • He went to have cracked and he was telling me about his experience, and he was actually in accounting to goingto engineer.

  • So he gave me a lot of information and he told me like the ones are good right now, I will say, because my kids no longer exists.

  • Um, but I would say half reactor and AP Academy is probably the best.

  • There's a few other good moves, but you gotta watch that.

  • Right?

  • So on your resume basically had a few internships and then the boot camp.

  • And then that's when you applied to Capital one.

  • Yeah, pretty much so.

  • Actually, I didn't.

  • I never applied.

  • I met someone there.

  • So again, like all my interviews I ever got after my boot camp was because I met people, I reached out.

  • Okay, So did you interview for they have a pretty likes drinking interview process.

  • Like any Fortune 500 initial like interview.

  • Like, I didn't have to go through a parcel which my I don't think my resume would have gone through because I don't have but because I went to Waterloo.

  • Yeah, I guess that's one thing I want to mention to like a lot of people ask me like, Oh, is it important to get a C s degree and stuff like that?

  • And I say, like for two skills, maybe not, You know, for the actual work experience?

  • Maybe not.

  • But the reason is because they have so many applicants, not the only way that can go through all the applicants by filtering people out and like for them, yes, they know that they might feel throughout really talented people if, you know, sometimes they don't have a C s degree, but they're still very talented.

  • But it's just, you know, the opportunity cost of going through all of them.

  • It's just too high, you know?

  • So it's like I understand that it's shitty, but it's just a limitation.

  • We don't have enough resources to go through all of them.

  • So you are way too standing out is to have these stupid keywords like ideally, yeah, no, sure.

  • But yet it sucks.

  • But I think that's why trying to get a connection or like a referral.

  • You know, it's really for referrals are, like super important.

  • I found work like a month after my boot camp, and that's on the very fast.

  • Most of my friends they took 16 year.

  • So that's something they leave that bouquet 99 95% you know, successfully, maybe your capital one we just started.

  • Did you work with people who had CS degrees?

  • Are they like you didn't have say, It's a good mix of both.

  • Surprisingly, I would say that people went to boot camps were, in a sense, like more like driven.

  • Okay, yeah, it's kind of interesting that issue, like I felt that a lot of my other jobs, too, because you feel like you need to prove yourself exactly exactly.

  • So.

  • I can talk more, but imposter syndrome like that you have it.

  • I did for a little bit, like maybe like three months, like I would say, it takes like three months to get used to make sense.

  • Maybe it was like a job on the new job thing, but it was like, totally different for me.

  • New job, big company career switch, All this stuff's so like out.

  • Like what were you most afraid of that?

  • You thought you didn't know?

  • To put it, simply asking dumb questions.

  • Okay, because you don't know what I don't know if that's true.

  • It's like I had questions about Jerry, right?

  • Superstar like that?

  • Yeah.

  • Yeah.

  • Asking about dumb question is interesting because a lot of people say like, Oh, don't be afraid to ask.

  • Question.

  • There's no such thing as some questions.

  • Yeah, maybe that's true.

  • Maybe for score something that but when your reputation is on the line, when your job's on the line when you have, you know, people looking at your working with you sometimes their judgment can lead to, like, future on maybe internships.

  • Not that you believe anyways, but once a full time job, it's a lot harder.

  • I was like, I Philip internships.

  • I asked all the stupid questions there.

  • So if ever you doing internship, make sure to ask a stupid question.

  • Now, when you're full time, for example, I asked what l s was in the terminal, you know, to look at your files.

  • Them?

  • Yes, I like that.

  • And then the guy just looked at music dude with the fuck are you?

  • But here's the thing like you don't know, you know?

  • So you don't know what you don't know exactly.

  • So, yeah, So it is kind of a tricky thing, especially at full time.

  • So I don't I'm not going to say, Oh, you should just ask the question.

  • Yeah, Cool.

  • So what about Do you have any, like, tips and tricks to stand out?

  • I mean, like, first of all, I guess some people would probably even look down on you because he came from How do you prove to them that, like, No, I'm good shit.

  • So there's there's a few ways and everyone has, like, different opinions.

  • What I do is I want a bunch of I just want a bunch of bones.

  • Yeah.

  • Can we talk about a Hackathon like, What was it?

  • So let's see.

  • So I won one that small surprises from TechCrunch disrupt.

  • That's like Harvey, the largest hackathon.

  • And then there was a few other ones.

  • One at Facebook called chime back.

  • That was really fun.

  • That was my first pretty big names.

  • Yeah.

  • Yeah.

  • And there was a small one where it was like half against Finalist was like some of that was Okay, So can you tell me about one?

  • Like, I guess.

  • The best one.

  • The one that you want or like the one that you felt like you did most workers that you learned most.

  • Can't talk about that.

  • Sure.

  • Actually, the Facebook one waas the number like, probably the like, changing moment because I was the 1st 1 that I want, And it was literally right after I learned about, like, wrestle.

  • Service is we just built that pretty face break way One based on that, Like that really changed my mind.

  • I'm like, I thought hacking phones were for these minority super like, you know, But it's not.

  • It's you're not, like, most of the time I go back, find sterile.

  • Like I hate that because they just spit out all these technologies that you don't know how to use.

  • Just just like, sound smart imposter syndrome.

  • Yeah.

  • Yeah.

  • So Okay, so you made a crude up.

  • Like what?

  • What did it do?

  • So that one basically the whole fame was too report like sexual abuse.

  • So we made a map where basically people who are like consultants and like people who have my skills to help people who you know, got traumatized like they could connect on one side and they could be on their messenger or whatever and then the other, like people who actually need it, help they could go in and like, kind of connected was safe.

  • Yeah, that's actually really cool because, like, I like to tell people a lot about making maps.

  • You know, like it's not about the latest technology.

  • It's not about how good your technology is, especially because I kind of I'm leaving on the product side now.

  • I care about, you know, desert product at Valley to a person's life.

  • Yeah, building a simple rest a p I, but having tremendous value to, for example, you know that that you made is a lot more important using all the fancy technology.

  • No, that's true.

  • And then most of the judges, they don't care.

  • They just want to know they just want to give a presentation.

  • That good picture.

  • So, yeah, that's it s So what about like the interview for Capital One.

  • How do you prepare for that?

  • So, you know, standard cracking the coding interviews I went to, like meet ups where they did interview.

  • Perhaps I talked to so my you know, other boot camp grabs.

  • We kind of got together in, like, essentially questions.

  • Lots of lots of happened.

  • Prominent.

  • Something's.

  • So when you actually did the interview, did you feel prepared because of the correct in decoding interview stuff?

  • Yeah, definitely.

  • Like that book is probably the Holy Grail.

  • Like programming.

  • Every question is this crazy.

  • So what's the percentage of, like, technical questions and nontechnical questions?

  • Do you think those matter?

  • So for Capital One, they made me dio take home.

  • So I created React that where, like I just did, like, a bunch of bank tracks, right?

  • Transactions.

  • And then they had, like, four people have.

  • You mean So there was 23 technical interviews, so they asked me, like a lot of technical questions, some white boarding, and then we had one Be a question.

  • Nice.

  • Okay, so a lot of those traditional traditional like I'm not sure exactly the percentage, but this little lot of coding.

  • All right.

  • So active personal life.

  • Yeah.

  • Hold my kids fight three months.

  • He just had his 100 day man.

  • It's crazy.

  • They're going.

  • Is it a he or she is a He's gonna make him a program.

  • Yeah, well, you know, who knows what they're going to be.

  • So okay, parenting.

  • We're gonna change into panty channel.

  • So question how, like, I always thought that parents always try to raise your kids in ways that they've never been raised before, you know, because they kind of want either one that vicariously through their kids or to have two kids lived it like they couldn't have.

  • Do you think that's true?

  • Are you gonna do?

  • I don't know.

  • I had a really good child.

  • So I love my parents.

  • I still don't like we're kind of lucky in a sense, where I know a lot of people don't like to speak to their parents often.

  • Yes, I grew up and have their own family, but we talked, like, every day.

  • So I want to try to encourage them to do the kind of raising similarly, but there's different things.

  • Like they're really strict on school, and I I'm not a school, so I wantto I just wanted to be passionate about something.

  • I don't care what it program.

  • Yeah, I guess that makes sense.

  • Because, like for my parents I think the reason why they were probably stricter on school was because they don't want me to end up like them where they don't have good jobs and stuff like that.

  • So they want me to just be decently well, fit to live life and then for me.

  • Imagine if I had a kid in my mind.

  • What I would do is I.

  • Oh, I have a decent living.

  • It's OK if they fell at school because I want them to live the life I have, which is, you know, to express your artistic freedom, you know, to do more art classes.

  • Because I didn't do that much, you know, on there were a lot of sports I want to do, but we just didn't have the money to do it.

  • So I think if I had a kid, I would be like, Yo, man, that I think he would be like your foot.

  • I don't wanna do anything.

  • Why are you pushing me to get in school?

  • I know you find yourself.

  • You find yourself did go through you to go travel, travel, travel.

  • I just want go stay friends.

  • Study.

  • Yeah, Cool.

  • Nice.

  • So I guess, Yeah, Thank you.

  • So so much for coming in on.

  • Uh, yeah.

  • Things are very valuable.

  • Yeah.

  • You want to plug your channel?

  • Yeah, I got it.

  • Yeah.

  • So my name's drawn as I mentioned, you guys could check me out at stolen code.

  • Like for everything like Instagram and YouTube.

  • I do a lot of, like, programming related, like the electric type videos and a little bit of like a logging truck video.

  • So come check me out.

  • I think that's about it.

  • And thank you for washing.

All right.

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CSの学位を持っていないソフトウェアエンジニアの面接 (Interview with a Software Engineer without CS Degree)

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