So the whole very sentence, without any chance.

I'm not gonna come put that question to Adam Price first.

I think certainly the lessons off what happened.

Amusement conclave.

Because we'll only fully be known once we've had the the investigation and the inquest in due course S O.

I think it's important not to rush to judgment in terms of the specific case, but in terms of convicted terrorists, I think public protection has to be at the core of the policy, isn't it?

I mean, it is a specific type of crime involving a specific type of criminal that ideologically motivated on.

Then I think the balance has to erred on the side of caution, hugely, because the consequences of getting it wrong, you know, are too horrible to imagine.

I think the wider debate about rehabilitation, I think, is a wider context.

But specifically and naturally, when we're talking about terrorist suspects, then I think the balance should be with the emphasis on public protection at all times.

You want more restorative Justice is not in danger of letting people off the hook.

Well, I think certainly in terms of look, I don't think we should confuse the two here because when we're talking about crime in general, we're talking about a very different type of criminal in a very different type of context.

Uncertainly there way know that, of course, a system which emphasizes a proper investment in Prohibition when people are released in rehabilitation with in prison is absolutely essential in terms of lowering re offending rates.

At the moment, we and whales of the highest imprisoned rate imprisonment rate overall of any nation in Western Europe, two people feel safe in wheels.

You know, absolutely not that kind of system, where the prison's effectively are operating like universities of Crimea, sending people on short sentences that coming up Maura likely to actually commit crime.

But that's a different context.

Okay, when we're talking about in terms of terrorists, just remind you Angela Rainer of Andy's question, should convicted terrorist serve the full sentence without chance of early release?

I think the most important thing is that the public kept safe on one of the problems that we've got at the moment is our prisons of overstuffed lot.

Lots of people re offend on petty crime, and they're in doing time for that their whole lives fall apart because of that, if the committed terrorist need to spend 10 2030 40 years in prison, they should do that time.

But when they're out, they need to be looked at a monitored in the way the approbation service's meant it.

That's been a failure because the courts that have happened to a probation service and the courts that happened to our police so they're not being watched on.

That's a failure for everyone.

No one could be thrown away.

The key, and we've got to make sure that rehabilitation is part of our justice system.

But number one priority has to be to keep the public safe.

Well, the constructors rending the early release scheme that labour brought in, so you haven't quite answered.

And these questions should terrorist serve the full sentence.

If the Labour government is in on Friday, should they as a matter of course?

Well, the justice system works the way it does, but it was.

People are allowed out early and people are often allowed out early in.

The main reason for that after time is because our prisons of stuff like to say we people actually re offending on petty crime.

We've gotta read, read, deal with that system.

But also when people are allowed out because we do have restorative justice in our system.

That's the reality is they have to be watched.

People have to be monitored and protected through that service.

The failure here has not been individuals.

Working in that system has been the government that has caught the funding there, and we haven't got the resources needed.

Our prisons are overcrowded.

Our probation service is on its needs.

Need to invest and make sure just Benson, These two families who this evening are grieving, um, the senseless murder off those two young people on DDE.

Clearly, that should not have been allowed to happen.

We can't have a situation where people who are convicted terrorists are released when they're clearly still such a danger.

And so then the question is, how do you make sure that that does not happen?

To me, it seems like the best way to do that is to make sure that there is a proper assessment before anyone is released who has committed that sort off offense on dhe.

And that's what should happen because the people who are working with these prisoners on can make that judgment can best distinguish between those who have served their sentence.

Andi have been able to rehabilitate with in prison because that's what we all should want.

You know, we can lock up more and more people.

But when people are released, we want them to be able to be functioning members of society contributing to our community.

And that has to be a massive aim off the criminal justice system.

We are failing if we do not have people when they are released, being safe in our communities and instead causing those crimes.

But I would just make one plate very safely gonna bring into a so so one of those greed and parents.

David Merit.

He has cold on politicians not to politicize his son's death, not to reach for knee jerk reactions.

I know I know Constance persons here, but I am, But I am I am I angry.

The prime minister in the way he's responded to that because I do not believe he has listened to Jack merits father and what he wanted in terror.

Okay, after his son's death, well, you've all talked about prison places, overstuffed prisons.

Conservatives want 10,000 extra prison places.

The Brexit party want an increase in police numbers?

Philippa Whitford.

Scottish jails are overstuffed, too, aren't they?

It will.

They are.

But I mean, we actually this year have our second lowest year for crime.

We have half violent crime in Scotland through the Violence Reduction Unit Project in Glasgow, which has now been asked to help and advise around knife crime in London.

We're talking about terrorism because of the tragedy on London Bridge.

But it isn't just terrorists who need to either be locked up to protect the public or to be let out under supervision when they are felt to be rehabilitated.

But I would agree with Angela that there are a lot of people, you know, we've just talked about mental health.

There are a lot of people in prisons for short sentences who actually have a drugs addiction or mental health issues on prison won't make them better, so we are already have.

We don't have six months.

Sentences were moving to not of 12 month sentence is investing in community sentences on dhe.

We have more police on the street, so instead of cutting 20,000 as the Tories do or did on Boris Johnson's talking about?

Ah, well, well, well rehire them.

But about 6000 police retire every year, so in actual fact, over his three years, he won't have increased the number substantially.

But if you want to change people's futures, you have to actually help them solve the problem and just the idea off, locking people up and throwing away the key.

It's individuals.

I agree.

They need assess.

They need monitored.

But actually, there's far too many people in prison who could be helped in a more public health approach in trying to fix the person.

It was very simple.

Should should they be released?

Well, they shouldn't automatically be released, which was what it was implied.

I mean, that's a nonsense automatically release at some midpoint, Ah, violent person who is considered to be a threat, whether they're a terrorist, a child abuser, a murderer, whatever they shouldn't just automatic.

That was your policy, Angela.

Really.

That was later.

We'll violent crime over the last five years has doubled.

The Tories have failed, and what's really frustrating is that they're not here tonight and every now and again, you have to picture and say all this is what the Conservatives will say.

But why are they not here to talk about that?

I should just point out that the head of statistics authority rights to your leader taking issue with that very claim that you just made.

He said that violent crime shows little change in overall figures in recent years.

Just to put that point, I wonder how people feel on the streets at the moment cause I can tell you in older men, same side people are frightened about what's going on.

They see the lack of the police and they see what's going on in their neighborhoods.

And they're frightened because things have gotten worse in this country with Torrey austerity.