Are you still at all optimistic?

Hilary?

I am fundamentally optimistic.

I mean, there's all these little indicators of people trying to turn the clock back and push back the progress that David was referencing.

So that does worry me.

But I think when it's all hopefully worked out here and there, people will say, Wait a minute, you know, there's things we need to be smarter about do better about But let's not turn the clock back.

For heaven sakes, it's interesting.

In the book, there's American Sportsman, American soccer star Abby Wambach, Earthy say that she's extraordinary.

She scored more goals, and then any man or woman ever, ever.

When she came to the end of her career, she did this final cut of endorsement advertising campaign on the tagline Waas, Forget me.

Why did that appeal to you, Hillary?

Well, what she was saying as she retired was, you know, I want to make way for new people, you know, forget me, forget my accomplishments.

Let's clear the decks.

Let's encourage Maur young people not only to play football but run for office.

Be a great chef, be a writer, be whatever and I loved that because in our house, we had, ah, saying about you know, how important was also to be second.

You know, somebody could be the first at something, but that didn't mean that you would stop pursuing your own dreams.

You could be the second, the third, the 100th.

You would be doing what you were meant to do.

And I think Abby's, you know, really inspirational speech that she gave a few years ago, Uh, mostly aimed at young women was You've got to go out and do what you're afraid to do.

You've got to take the risks to be who you know deep in your heart you should be.

And I'm gonna get off the stage because I want another great football or up here.

I want somebody else who is, you know, gonna be beat my record.

And I love that because that is what we should be doing to tell the next generation on where you are.

You saying forget me?

Is that your mantra now?

Not yet.

Theo.

Rumor Mill is flying.

You could step back into the ring.

I I hear that I especially have been deluged in, you know, the last few weeks with thinking about doing that.

But right now, I'm not at all, uh, you know, planning that, um, I'd have to make up my mind really quickly because it's moving very fast.

But I do want to continue to influence the debate.

You know, I'm not I'm not leaving, you know, the political arena completely.

I'm working really hard to, uh, you know, make it clear that we have to hold our current leadership accountable.

So I'm on Twitter.

I'm not as as I think, clever.

A CZ Chelsea, is it?

You know, dealing with a lot of the undercurrents of Twitter.

But I'm out there all the time, sort of pointing out some of the foolishness and craziness that we are currently experiencing.

So, you know, I'm not going anywhere.

I just don't know what role I will be actually in, but I'm looking at Chelsea, and I'm thinking this is your mom and you're hearing She's not ruling out the idea of running again.

Does your blood run cold?

Your mother go through that again?

Well, I mean, she is first and foremost.

My mom would think sometimes people forget.

I mean, as proud as I am of everything that she's done.

She's first informed my mom, and I guess maybe now my kid's grandmother on DSO.

Of course I feel protective of her, but I know that you know she'll continue to not only influence the debate but help push the debate forward.

However she does that I'm in her corner, Graham like whatever she decides to do.

But that's for her to decide.

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