MAYOR OF CHICAGO, U.S.

CONGRESSMAN AND WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF, HE'S WRITTEN A

NEW BOOK CALLED "THE NATION CITY."

PLEASE WELCOME MAYOR RAHM EMANUEL!

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>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK.

WELCOME BACK, YOUR HONOR.

>> I HAVEN'T SEEN PEOPLE STAND LIKE THAT SINCE THE HIGH

HOLIDAYS.

THAT'S IMPRESSIVE.

>> Stephen: NICE TO HAVE YOU BACK.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Stephen: NOW, LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, YOU SAID, YOU KNOW,

DEMOCRATS FALL IN LOVE, THEY HAVE TO FALL IN LOVE WITH A

CANDIDATE.

AFTER NEVADA, IS THAT IT?

ARE WE HITCHED?

ARE WE IN LOVE WITH BERNIE SANDERS?

ARE THE DEMOCRATS ALL IN FOR HIM?

THEY'RE SWOONING, A LOT OF ENTHUSIASTIC PEOPLE.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> NO, WE'RE NOT.

WE'VE GOT A WAYS TO GO ON THIS.

>> Stephen: BUT EVERYBODY'S SAYING IT'S OVER.

CHRIS MATTHEWS HAS TO BE MEDICATED!

>> FOR CHRIS, IT'S COVERED BY BLUE CROSS/BLUE SHIELD, SO DON'T

WORRY ABOUT THAT.

>> Stephen: ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT BERNIE?

BECAUSE YOU'RE THE DEMOCRATIC ESTABLISHMENT ALL IN A BLUE SUIT

THERE, YOU ARE THE DEMOCRATIC ESTABLISHMENT, CHIEF OF STAFF,

CONGRESSMAN, DEMOCRATIC MAYOR OF CHICAGO.

COME ON!

HERE'S THE RULES I WOULD SAY, LAST HUNDRED YEARS, THREE

DEMOCRATS HAVE WON REELECTION FOR PRESIDENT -- FRANKLIN

ROOSEVELT, PRESIDENT CLINTON, BARACK OBAMA.

>> Stephen: YEAH, YEAH.

OKAY.

( CHEERING ) THAT'S GOOD.

REMEMBER, A REALLY REALLY GOOD CHIEF OF STAFF.

( LAUGHTER ) BOTH RAN WITH THE SAME STRATEGY

AS DID THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS IN 2006 AND 2018 OF AN URBAN

SUBURBAN METROPOLITAN COALITION.

BERNIE IS SAYING FORGET THAT, SCREW IT.

BASICALLY, THERE ARE ABOUT 70 MILLION SOCIALISTS READY TO

BE AWOKEN TO THEIR INNER SOCIALIST.

SAYING TO YOUR OUR ONE THROUGH SIX GOAL IS TO GET RID OF DONALD

TRUMP, IS A REALLY BIG RISK TO GO ON A POLITICAL STRATEGY THAT

HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED BEFORE.

YOU HAVE TWO RECENT MEMORIES OF BOTH PRESIDENT CLINTON AND

PRESIDENT OBAMA WHO WON THEIR ELECTION ON A SINGLE STRATEGY

AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO THROW IT AWAY AND SAY WE DON'T NEED THESE

FICKLE INDEPENDENT VOTERS, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT ON A BASE

TURNOUT.

AND WE'VE ONLY HAD THREE ELECTIONS, BUT YOU HAVEN'T HAD A

SIZABLE EXPONENTIALLY INCREASED TURNOUT IN THESE PRIMARIES,

MEANING HE IS NOT GENERATING THE TYPE OF SUPPORT HE SAID WOULD

HAPPEN.

SO MY VIEW IS IT'S TOO EARLY TO SAY IT'S OVER, HE IS THE

FRONTRUNNER, WELCOME TO THE N.B.A.

IF HE WINS BIG ON SUPER TUESDAY, HAS A DELEGATE RUN, THEN WE HAVE

A PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE, WE'RE NOT THERE YET.

>> Stephen: WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS TOMORROW NIGHT?

BECAUSE LAST WEEK EVERYBODY HAD THE KNIVES OUT FOR BLOOMBERG,

NOW THAT BERNIE IS OUT FRONT -- >> THIS IS NUTS.

BLOOMBERG IS NOT ON THE BALLOT, THE FRONTRUNNER IS TREE FEET

OVER THIS WAY, YOU'RE SWACKING AT THIS GUY, AND THE GUY HERE IN

VIOLATION WHERE IS ONE OF THE WORST MASS SHOOTINGS IN AMERICAN

HISTORY.

BERNIE SANDERS IS AGAINST ASSAULT WEAPON BAN AND NOBODY

BRINGS THE SUBJECT UP AND THAT'S NUTS.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO BRING THE SUBJECT UP, THAT'S POLITICAL

101.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> Stephen: ARE YOU HERE

TONIGHT TO KNEE CAB BERNIE SANDERS BECAUSE YOU'RE SWEEPING

A LEG HERE, MAN.

>> NO, HERE'S THE THING.

YOU HAVE A PRESIDENTIAL CONTEST.

YOU HAVE THE U.S. SENATE WITH A GOOD CHANCE TO TAKE IT.

YOU HAVE THE HOUSE ELECTIONS WHERE WE HAVE A MAJORITY THERE.

YOU HAVE ALL THE GOVERNORSHIPS, STATE HOUSES UP.

SO IT'S NOT JUST A PRESIDENTIAL.

THIS IS A NATIONAL ELECTION OF NATIONAL IMPORT.

>> Stephen: WHY DO YOU THINK BERNIE IS LEADING THEM?

>> BECAUSE I THINK ALL THE OPPOSITION IS DIVIDED.

TEN YEARS AGO, STEVE -- >> Stephen: I DON'T KNOW WHO

THE STEVE GUY IS, BUT GO AHEAD, YEAH.

>> HE WAS MY FRIEND THE OTHER DAY.

>> Stephen: SURE.

GO AHEAD.

>> TEN YEARS AGO, IF YOU, IN 1992, 1996, IF YOU WON A

PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, IN 2008, IF YOU HAD BEEN THIRD OR FOURTH

THREE TIMES IN A ROW, YOU WOULD BE OUT.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE INTERNET AND ALL THE FUNDRAISING THAT'S GOING

ON, EVERYBODY IS GOING TO STAY AROUND THE HOOP THINKING THIS IS

NOT POSSIBLE FOR BERNIE TO BE THERE AND YOU HAVE FOUR OR FIVE

PEOPLE STILL ON THE FIELD AND THEY SHOULD BE BY THIS TIME OFF

THE FIELD AND THEN IT WOULD GO ONE ON ONE.

>> Stephen: WHO SHOULD GO FIRST.

>> NOT FOR ME TO SAY.

>> Stephen: YOU'RE ALREADY SAYING IT!

( LAUGHTER ) WHAT ARE THE CRITERIA BY WHICH

SOMEONE SHOULD LEAVE.

DON'T NAME NAMES.

>> IN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS, THERE'S ONLY ONE MEDDLE, THERE'S

NOT GOLD, SILVER AND BRONZE.

SO MY VIEW IS, IF YOU HAVEN'T PRETTY SOON GET A GOLD, YOU HAVE

TO GET OFF THE DANCE FLOOR.

>> Stephen: BERNIE IS ABOUT REVOLUTION.

OBAMA WAS ABOUT CHANGE.

IS THERE NOT ENOUGH CHANGE AND THAT'S WHY HE THINKS WE NEED A

REVOLUTION?

>> SO IT'S INTERESTING YOU SAY THIS.

>> Stephen: IT USUALLY IS.

( LAUGHTER ) >> YEAH.

YOU DO HAVE HOME COURT ADVANTAGE HERE.

>> Stephen: OH, YEAH.

I'LL COME ON YOUR TALK SHOW SOME DAY.

( PIANO RIFF ) >> I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT.

IT WILL NOT BE -- IT'S NOT A FAMILY FRIENDLY TALK SHOW.

>> Stephen: I KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO YOU OFF CAMERA.

( LAUGHTER ) >> HERE'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT,

THERE ARE ALL THESE FORCES THAT FORCE TRUMP AND HE'S TAKEN OVER

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

THE TRUTH IS -- NOW, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THE POLITICS

OF REFORM VERSUS REVOLUTION, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT BILL CLINTON

AND BARACK OBAMA REPRESENTED IN THE CHANGE, THAT THERE WERE

FORCES THAT, GIVEN THE IRAQ WAR IN 2008, THEY WERE BUILDING.

PRESIDENT OBAMA, IN THE PRIMARY AGAINST HILLARY CLINTON, BECAUSE

OF HIS POSITION ON THE WAR, REPRESENTED A BIG, BIG,

SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, AND IT WAS WHAT THE BASE OF THE PARTY AT

THAT TIME, THE LEFT SAID, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.

BARACK OBAMA AGAINST THE WAR, LET'S GO.

BY 2012, BERNIE SANDERS WANTED TO PRIMARY BARACK OBAMA, AND THE

LEFT WAS NOT HAPPY WITH HIS PRESIDENCY.

PRESIDENT OBAMA KEPT WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW, BASICALLY TEN

YEARS BACK, AND IT'S NOW COMING BACK BOTH THROUGH BARACK OBAMA

AND THROUGH HILLARY CLINTON.

>> Stephen: SO BERNIE WANTED A PRIMARY, WHO STOPPED THAT?

>> A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC LEADERS.

>> Stephen: SAID DON'T DO THAT.

>> BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF POLITICS, IF YOU HAVE

A PRIMARY, YOU'RE LIKELY TO LOSE THE GENERAL ELECTION.

SO IT WAS SCUTTLED.

BUT BACK IN 2012, BERNIE WAS TALKING ABOUT PRIMARYING THE

PRESIDENT, BECAUSE HE KEPT ALL OF THAT BACK.

>> Stephen: IS HE A DEMOCRAT, IN YOUR OPINION?

>> NO, HE'S A DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST, HE SAYS, BUT IN THE

GENERAL ELECTION, HE WILL BE A SOCIALIST BY THE TIME TRUMP AND

THE RUSSIA'S ARE DONE WITH IT.

>> Stephen: DO YOU BELIEVE THAT, BY THE WAY, THAT THE

RUSSIA'S ARE HELPING BERNIE IN ORDER TO SET HIM UP AGAINST

TRUMP?

>> I THINK THE RUSSIANS -- THE RUSSIANS ARE ALL ABOUT

CONFUSION, CHAOS.

THEY SUCCEED WHEN AMERICA IS FIGHT AGAINST ITSELF RATHER THAN

FOCUSING ON IMPROVING ITS OWN.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> Stephen: YOUR FORMER WHITE

HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF WHO LOOKS LIKE A PRESIDENT TO YOU?

WHO UP THERE CAN YOU IMAGINE TO SEE?

BIDEN?

>> HERE'S WHAT I LOOK FOR -- I USED TO SAY THIS NO PRESIDENT

CLINTON -- IF WE KNEW THE FIRST YEAR FIRST TERM WHAT WE KNEW IN

THE FIRST YEAR SECOND TERM, WE WOULD ALL BE GENIUSES.

WHAT I LOOK FOR, HAVE YOU FAILED AND HAVE YOU LEARNED FROM THAT?

QUICK PIECE OF HISTORY, IN PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S TERMS, HE

HAD THE BAY OF PIGS AND A DISASTER.

HE APPLIED A LESSON IN THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS.

HAD HE NOT HAD THAT FAILURE AND UPDISASTER WHO KNOWS WHAT WOULD

HAVE HAPPENED IN THE CUBAN MISSILE DISASTER.

BUT THE QUESTION FOR THE PRESIDENT IS DO THEY HAVE THE

CHARACTER, JUDGMENT AND THE SELF-AWARENESS TO LEARN FROM

THEIR MISTAKES.

I THINK THEY'VE SHOWN THAT IN THEIR CAREER BUT NOT SHOWN THE

POLITICAL SKILL IN THIS CAMPAIGN.

>> Stephen: BACK WITH MORE FORMER CHICAGO MAYOR RAMY RAHM

EMANUEL, EVERYBODY.