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  • LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NEXT GUEST THIS EVENING IS A FORMER

  • MAYOR OF CHICAGO, U.S.

  • CONGRESSMAN AND WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF, HE'S WRITTEN A

  • NEW BOOK CALLED "THE NATION CITY."

  • PLEASE WELCOME MAYOR RAHM EMANUEL!

  • ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) ( BAND PLAYING )

  • ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) ( BAND PLAYING )

  • >> Stephen: WELCOME BACK.

  • WELCOME BACK, YOUR HONOR.

  • >> I HAVEN'T SEEN PEOPLE STAND LIKE THAT SINCE THE HIGH

  • HOLIDAYS.

  • THAT'S IMPRESSIVE.

  • >> Stephen: NICE TO HAVE YOU BACK.

  • >> THANK YOU.

  • >> Stephen: NOW, LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, YOU SAID, YOU KNOW,

  • DEMOCRATS FALL IN LOVE, THEY HAVE TO FALL IN LOVE WITH A

  • CANDIDATE.

  • AFTER NEVADA, IS THAT IT?

  • ARE WE HITCHED?

  • ARE WE IN LOVE WITH BERNIE SANDERS?

  • ARE THE DEMOCRATS ALL IN FOR HIM?

  • THEY'RE SWOONING, A LOT OF ENTHUSIASTIC PEOPLE.

  • ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> NO, WE'RE NOT.

  • WE'VE GOT A WAYS TO GO ON THIS.

  • >> Stephen: BUT EVERYBODY'S SAYING IT'S OVER.

  • CHRIS MATTHEWS HAS TO BE MEDICATED!

  • >> FOR CHRIS, IT'S COVERED BY BLUE CROSS/BLUE SHIELD, SO DON'T

  • WORRY ABOUT THAT.

  • >> Stephen: ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT BERNIE?

  • BECAUSE YOU'RE THE DEMOCRATIC ESTABLISHMENT ALL IN A BLUE SUIT

  • THERE, YOU ARE THE DEMOCRATIC ESTABLISHMENT, CHIEF OF STAFF,

  • CONGRESSMAN, DEMOCRATIC MAYOR OF CHICAGO.

  • COME ON!

  • HERE'S THE RULES I WOULD SAY, LAST HUNDRED YEARS, THREE

  • DEMOCRATS HAVE WON REELECTION FOR PRESIDENT -- FRANKLIN

  • ROOSEVELT, PRESIDENT CLINTON, BARACK OBAMA.

  • >> Stephen: YEAH, YEAH.

  • OKAY.

  • ( CHEERING ) THAT'S GOOD.

  • REMEMBER, A REALLY REALLY GOOD CHIEF OF STAFF.

  • ( LAUGHTER ) BOTH RAN WITH THE SAME STRATEGY

  • AS DID THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS IN 2006 AND 2018 OF AN URBAN

  • SUBURBAN METROPOLITAN COALITION.

  • BERNIE IS SAYING FORGET THAT, SCREW IT.

  • BASICALLY, THERE ARE ABOUT 70 MILLION SOCIALISTS READY TO

  • BE AWOKEN TO THEIR INNER SOCIALIST.

  • SAYING TO YOUR OUR ONE THROUGH SIX GOAL IS TO GET RID OF DONALD

  • TRUMP, IS A REALLY BIG RISK TO GO ON A POLITICAL STRATEGY THAT

  • HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED BEFORE.

  • YOU HAVE TWO RECENT MEMORIES OF BOTH PRESIDENT CLINTON AND

  • PRESIDENT OBAMA WHO WON THEIR ELECTION ON A SINGLE STRATEGY

  • AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO THROW IT AWAY AND SAY WE DON'T NEED THESE

  • FICKLE INDEPENDENT VOTERS, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT ON A BASE

  • TURNOUT.

  • AND WE'VE ONLY HAD THREE ELECTIONS, BUT YOU HAVEN'T HAD A

  • SIZABLE EXPONENTIALLY INCREASED TURNOUT IN THESE PRIMARIES,

  • MEANING HE IS NOT GENERATING THE TYPE OF SUPPORT HE SAID WOULD

  • HAPPEN.

  • SO MY VIEW IS IT'S TOO EARLY TO SAY IT'S OVER, HE IS THE

  • FRONTRUNNER, WELCOME TO THE N.B.A.

  • IF HE WINS BIG ON SUPER TUESDAY, HAS A DELEGATE RUN, THEN WE HAVE

  • A PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE, WE'RE NOT THERE YET.

  • >> Stephen: WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS TOMORROW NIGHT?

  • BECAUSE LAST WEEK EVERYBODY HAD THE KNIVES OUT FOR BLOOMBERG,

  • NOW THAT BERNIE IS OUT FRONT -- >> THIS IS NUTS.

  • BLOOMBERG IS NOT ON THE BALLOT, THE FRONTRUNNER IS TREE FEET

  • OVER THIS WAY, YOU'RE SWACKING AT THIS GUY, AND THE GUY HERE IN

  • VIOLATION WHERE IS ONE OF THE WORST MASS SHOOTINGS IN AMERICAN

  • HISTORY.

  • BERNIE SANDERS IS AGAINST ASSAULT WEAPON BAN AND NOBODY

  • BRINGS THE SUBJECT UP AND THAT'S NUTS.

  • IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO BRING THE SUBJECT UP, THAT'S POLITICAL

  • 101.

  • ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> Stephen: ARE YOU HERE

  • TONIGHT TO KNEE CAB BERNIE SANDERS BECAUSE YOU'RE SWEEPING

  • A LEG HERE, MAN.

  • >> NO, HERE'S THE THING.

  • YOU HAVE A PRESIDENTIAL CONTEST.

  • YOU HAVE THE U.S. SENATE WITH A GOOD CHANCE TO TAKE IT.

  • YOU HAVE THE HOUSE ELECTIONS WHERE WE HAVE A MAJORITY THERE.

  • YOU HAVE ALL THE GOVERNORSHIPS, STATE HOUSES UP.

  • SO IT'S NOT JUST A PRESIDENTIAL.

  • THIS IS A NATIONAL ELECTION OF NATIONAL IMPORT.

  • >> Stephen: WHY DO YOU THINK BERNIE IS LEADING THEM?

  • >> BECAUSE I THINK ALL THE OPPOSITION IS DIVIDED.

  • TEN YEARS AGO, STEVE -- >> Stephen: I DON'T KNOW WHO

  • THE STEVE GUY IS, BUT GO AHEAD, YEAH.

  • >> HE WAS MY FRIEND THE OTHER DAY.

  • >> Stephen: SURE.

  • GO AHEAD.

  • >> TEN YEARS AGO, IF YOU, IN 1992, 1996, IF YOU WON A

  • PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, IN 2008, IF YOU HAD BEEN THIRD OR FOURTH

  • THREE TIMES IN A ROW, YOU WOULD BE OUT.

  • BUT BECAUSE OF THE INTERNET AND ALL THE FUNDRAISING THAT'S GOING

  • ON, EVERYBODY IS GOING TO STAY AROUND THE HOOP THINKING THIS IS

  • NOT POSSIBLE FOR BERNIE TO BE THERE AND YOU HAVE FOUR OR FIVE

  • PEOPLE STILL ON THE FIELD AND THEY SHOULD BE BY THIS TIME OFF

  • THE FIELD AND THEN IT WOULD GO ONE ON ONE.

  • >> Stephen: WHO SHOULD GO FIRST.

  • >> NOT FOR ME TO SAY.

  • >> Stephen: YOU'RE ALREADY SAYING IT!

  • ( LAUGHTER ) WHAT ARE THE CRITERIA BY WHICH

  • SOMEONE SHOULD LEAVE.

  • DON'T NAME NAMES.

  • >> IN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS, THERE'S ONLY ONE MEDDLE, THERE'S

  • NOT GOLD, SILVER AND BRONZE.

  • SO MY VIEW IS, IF YOU HAVEN'T PRETTY SOON GET A GOLD, YOU HAVE

  • TO GET OFF THE DANCE FLOOR.

  • >> Stephen: BERNIE IS ABOUT REVOLUTION.

  • OBAMA WAS ABOUT CHANGE.

  • IS THERE NOT ENOUGH CHANGE AND THAT'S WHY HE THINKS WE NEED A

  • REVOLUTION?

  • >> SO IT'S INTERESTING YOU SAY THIS.

  • >> Stephen: IT USUALLY IS.

  • ( LAUGHTER ) >> YEAH.

  • YOU DO HAVE HOME COURT ADVANTAGE HERE.

  • >> Stephen: OH, YEAH.

  • I'LL COME ON YOUR TALK SHOW SOME DAY.

  • ( PIANO RIFF ) >> I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT.

  • IT WILL NOT BE -- IT'S NOT A FAMILY FRIENDLY TALK SHOW.

  • >> Stephen: I KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO YOU OFF CAMERA.

  • ( LAUGHTER ) >> HERE'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT,

  • THERE ARE ALL THESE FORCES THAT FORCE TRUMP AND HE'S TAKEN OVER

  • THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

  • THE TRUTH IS -- NOW, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THE POLITICS

  • OF REFORM VERSUS REVOLUTION, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT BILL CLINTON

  • AND BARACK OBAMA REPRESENTED IN THE CHANGE, THAT THERE WERE

  • FORCES THAT, GIVEN THE IRAQ WAR IN 2008, THEY WERE BUILDING.

  • PRESIDENT OBAMA, IN THE PRIMARY AGAINST HILLARY CLINTON, BECAUSE

  • OF HIS POSITION ON THE WAR, REPRESENTED A BIG, BIG,

  • SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, AND IT WAS WHAT THE BASE OF THE PARTY AT

  • THAT TIME, THE LEFT SAID, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.

  • BARACK OBAMA AGAINST THE WAR, LET'S GO.

  • BY 2012, BERNIE SANDERS WANTED TO PRIMARY BARACK OBAMA, AND THE

  • LEFT WAS NOT HAPPY WITH HIS PRESIDENCY.

  • PRESIDENT OBAMA KEPT WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW, BASICALLY TEN

  • YEARS BACK, AND IT'S NOW COMING BACK BOTH THROUGH BARACK OBAMA

  • AND THROUGH HILLARY CLINTON.

  • >> Stephen: SO BERNIE WANTED A PRIMARY, WHO STOPPED THAT?

  • >> A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC LEADERS.

  • >> Stephen: SAID DON'T DO THAT.

  • >> BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF POLITICS, IF YOU HAVE

  • A PRIMARY, YOU'RE LIKELY TO LOSE THE GENERAL ELECTION.

  • SO IT WAS SCUTTLED.

  • BUT BACK IN 2012, BERNIE WAS TALKING ABOUT PRIMARYING THE

  • PRESIDENT, BECAUSE HE KEPT ALL OF THAT BACK.

  • >> Stephen: IS HE A DEMOCRAT, IN YOUR OPINION?

  • >> NO, HE'S A DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST, HE SAYS, BUT IN THE

  • GENERAL ELECTION, HE WILL BE A SOCIALIST BY THE TIME TRUMP AND

  • THE RUSSIA'S ARE DONE WITH IT.

  • >> Stephen: DO YOU BELIEVE THAT, BY THE WAY, THAT THE

  • RUSSIA'S ARE HELPING BERNIE IN ORDER TO SET HIM UP AGAINST

  • TRUMP?

  • >> I THINK THE RUSSIANS -- THE RUSSIANS ARE ALL ABOUT

  • CONFUSION, CHAOS.

  • THEY SUCCEED WHEN AMERICA IS FIGHT AGAINST ITSELF RATHER THAN

  • FOCUSING ON IMPROVING ITS OWN.

  • ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> Stephen: YOUR FORMER WHITE

  • HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF WHO LOOKS LIKE A PRESIDENT TO YOU?

  • WHO UP THERE CAN YOU IMAGINE TO SEE?

  • BIDEN?

  • >> HERE'S WHAT I LOOK FOR -- I USED TO SAY THIS NO PRESIDENT

  • CLINTON -- IF WE KNEW THE FIRST YEAR FIRST TERM WHAT WE KNEW IN

  • THE FIRST YEAR SECOND TERM, WE WOULD ALL BE GENIUSES.

  • WHAT I LOOK FOR, HAVE YOU FAILED AND HAVE YOU LEARNED FROM THAT?

  • QUICK PIECE OF HISTORY, IN PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S TERMS, HE

  • HAD THE BAY OF PIGS AND A DISASTER.

  • HE APPLIED A LESSON IN THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS.

  • HAD HE NOT HAD THAT FAILURE AND UPDISASTER WHO KNOWS WHAT WOULD

  • HAVE HAPPENED IN THE CUBAN MISSILE DISASTER.

  • BUT THE QUESTION FOR THE PRESIDENT IS DO THEY HAVE THE

  • CHARACTER, JUDGMENT AND THE SELF-AWARENESS TO LEARN FROM

  • THEIR MISTAKES.

  • I THINK THEY'VE SHOWN THAT IN THEIR CAREER BUT NOT SHOWN THE

  • POLITICAL SKILL IN THIS CAMPAIGN.

  • >> Stephen: BACK WITH MORE FORMER CHICAGO MAYOR RAMY RAHM

  • EMANUEL, EVERYBODY.

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ラーム・エマニュエル市長は、失敗し、それらの失敗から学んだ候補者を探しています。 (Mayor Rahm Emanuel Looks For Candidates Who Have Failed And Learned From Those Failures)

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