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GWEN IFILL: Good evening, and welcome to this special "PBS NewsHour" coverage of the New
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Hampshire primary.
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I'm Gwen Ifill.
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JUDY WOODRUFF: And I'm Judy Woodruff.
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They finished second in Iowa, but, tonight, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump have claimed
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victory in New Hampshire.
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Democrat Sanders scored a resounding win over Hillary Clinton.
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It guarantees him a majority of the 24 delegates at stake.
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And Republican Trump won big in a crowded field, with John Kasich finishing second.
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Trump will take at least nine of that state's 23 GOP delegates.
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In the battle for third place on the Republican side, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio continued
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in a tight race late into the night.
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As results came into focus, the candidates came out to claim victory and offer concessions.
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GWEN IFILL: Donald Trump was triumphant as he appeared before a crowd of supporters in
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Manchester.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), Presidential Candidate: We want to thank the people of New Hampshire,
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right?
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(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
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DONALD TRUMP: Do we love the people of New Hampshire?
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(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
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DONALD TRUMP: You know, I said it.
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And I said it even a year ago.
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I think, I'm going to do really well there, because I'm here a lot.
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And it's so beautiful.
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And I love it so much.
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And I love the people.
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And I said I actually think they like me a lot.
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And then, all of a sudden, we started getting numbers in.
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And everyone said, how come they like Trump so much?
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But I have so many friends up here.
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And they are special, special people.
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So, New Hampshire, I want to thank you.
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We love you.
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(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
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DONALD TRUMP: We're going to be back a lot.
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We're not going to forget you.
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You started it.
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Remember, you started it.
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GWEN IFILL: Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders revved up a jubilant crowd of his supporters in Concord.
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SEN.
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BERNIE SANDERS (VT-I), Presidential Candidate: And let me take this opportunity to thank
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the many, many thousands of volunteers here in the Granite State who worked so tirelessly.
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(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
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SEN.
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BERNIE SANDERS: Our volunteers worked night and day, made phone calls, and knocked on
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a heck of a lot of doors.
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(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
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SEN.
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BERNIE SANDERS: And we won because of your energy.
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Thank you all so much.
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(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
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SEN.
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BERNIE SANDERS: I want to thank Julia Barnes and our great campaign staff.
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(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
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SEN.
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BERNIE SANDERS: Together, we have sent a message that will echo from Wall Street to Washington,
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from Maine to California.
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(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
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SEN.
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BERNIE SANDERS: And that is that the government of our great country belongs to all of the
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people, and not just a handful of wealthy campaign contributors and their super PACs.
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(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
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GWEN IFILL: And now we go to our political director, Lisa Desjardins, who is reporting
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for us tonight in Manchester, New Hampshire.
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Lisa, you have had your ear to the ground, talking to voters, talking to candidates.
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What have you learned in the past several days while you have been in New Hampshire
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that explains what we saw happen tonight?
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LISA DESJARDINS: Dramatic results for those of us watching, I think, from outside of New
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Hampshire, maybe not as dramatic, Gwen, for voters here.
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Going to the polls this morning, the names I heard from voters were the same names that
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are doing well tonight.
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Let's start with Donald Trump.
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Voters who told me that they were supporting Donald Trump told me that they were doing
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it despite fact that they think he might be someone who is offensive.
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They think that this country needs someone who is going to be a strong leader and who
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-- maybe who will offend people, especially offend, in their words, America's enemies.
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I think the strong leader label also might apply in way to Bernie Sanders.
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When I talked to Democrats who voted for Bernie Sanders today -- and there were many, many
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of them, as the results are showing -- they said they like that he has been genuine and
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he has pushed for his ideas, even when they were remarkably unpopular, to today, when
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they're gaining traction.
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They see that a kind of strength.
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Those voters who chose not to go for Hillary Clinton said they felt that she is someone
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who is trying too hard to say what the people want to hear, vs. strong leader type is what
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they see in Bernie Sanders.
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Not to oversimplify things, but I think that was a very real theme for voters here in New
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Hampshire today.
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JUDY WOODRUFF: And, Lisa, were you able to tell what it is that people want the strong
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leader to do?
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What is the source of the unhappiness, the frustration, the anger?
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Were you able to figure -- pick that up from people?
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LISA DESJARDINS: Yes, it is absolutely the economy, Judy and Gwen.
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Here in New Hampshire, incomes are far above average in the -- of the country, unemployment
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levels are low, but yet many voters here don't feel like things are getting better.
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And even more so, they are worried about their children's future.
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They're worried about student loan debt, which is very high in this state.
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And they don't see anything changing to help that situation.
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They think new ideas are the only way for things to go -- get on a better course for
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them.
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And they say they weren't hearing new ideas from other candidates.
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Now, all of this said, it should be remarked that John Kasich also had a big night.
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He won, I think, with voters who are looking for a more stable, proven leader, someone
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who also they related to personally.
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He went out, shook hands in this state, sat by firesides, quite literally.
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And I think that made a difference here for him.
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I also think it's really going to be interesting to watch the Marco Rubio-Jeb Bush race with
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-- for number three with Ted Cruz.
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I just came from Marco Rubio's concession speech.
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Fascinatingly enough, right off the top, he said: This was my fault.
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It was my poor performance in the debate that led to this.
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And he apologized to his followers.
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He said it won't happen again.
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It was a very interesting moment for Marco Rubio, a sign that he is going to try and
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reverse course or kind of get back on track after New Hampshire.
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GWEN IFILL: That's what I want to ask you about a little bit, Lisa, because Marco Rubio
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did an unusual thing in admitting that it was his fault.
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But we also see lot of other candidates who didn't necessarily benefit, like Chris Christie,
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who was a weapon against Marco Rubio the other night.
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Do we know who might go home after tonight?
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LISA DESJARDINS: Well, we know that Chris Christie is taking at least a little bit of
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time off the trail to sort of recoup and take another look at his campaign.
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There were some false reports that he was announcing a suspension earlier tonight.
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But, instead, what is actually happening, we're told, is that he is just taking some
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time to take a look.
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I do think he's got he -- he's got to really take a hard look at what's ahead, especially
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going into South Carolina.
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We haven't talked about Ben Carson or Carly Fiorina very much.
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They're at the very bottom of the New Hampshire pack.
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And I think, as far as staffing, money, and momentum go, those two candidates have to
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really make some difficult choices probably in the next few weeks ahead.
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GWEN IFILL: OK.
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Well, Lisa, thank you so much for your contributions tonight and all week long in New Hampshire.
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LISA DESJARDINS: It's been amazing to be here.
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JUDY WOODRUFF: And now we're joined by Amy Walter of The Cook Political Report.
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So, Amy, you have been poring over those exit polls, interviews with voters as they left
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the polling places in New Hampshire.
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What are you seeing that you could add to what Lisa's talking -- hearing from voters
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on the ground?
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AMY WALTER, The Cook Political Report: Well, it's very interesting, because what we're
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seeing from the exit polls, it lines up in some ways, the idea that Trump is going to
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be the candidate that is going to shake things up.
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But it doesn't mean that the majority of Republicans in the state feel that that's what they would
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like to see going forward.
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In fact, when you asked the question if Trump won the nomination, would you be satisfied
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with him as the nominee, voters, Republicans voters were evenly divided; 49 percent said,
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48 percent said no.
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So, he won a -- want to give him his due.
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He won a big victory tonight, but he's still a very polarizing figure among Republicans.
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GWEN IFILL: So, is it fair to say that neither Republicans who voted overwhelmingly for Donald
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Trump tonight and -- or Democrats who voted overwhelmingly for Bernie Sanders tonight
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give a fig about electability?
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(LAUGHTER)
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AMY WALTER: It is -- that is a heart over the head, I think, is one theme in this election
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in New Hampshire tonight.
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In fact, when I looked at what Democrats were saying, for those who said that the most important
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issue to them was who can win in November and who has the most experience, Hillary Clinton
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was winning those voters with 81, 82 percent.
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But when you asked them -- or when those voters said it was honest -- who was honest and trustworthy,
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who they thought was the most relatable, who understood them, Bernie Sanders wins by big,
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big, big margins.
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The problem for Hillary Clinton is that her message of electability, while she's winning
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it, wasn't seen as important as sort of the heart issues.
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(CROSSTALK)
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AMY WALTER: That's right.
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Sixty percent of voters wanted to see somebody who they could relate to and who they saw
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as honest and trustworthy.
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JUDY WOODRUFF: So, what is the message Hillary Clinton can take from here?
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AMY WALTER: Well, that...
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JUDY WOODRUFF: She told -- she told the crowd tonight: We're going to go vote after vote,
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state after state.
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But what is the message she carries from New Hampshire?
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AMY WALTER: Well, this is going to be her challenge going forward is how she balances
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that heart and that head.
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We talked about this the other night, that the best candidates are the ones who campaign
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in poetry and then govern in prose.
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She seems stuck on prose and hasn't really found much poetry.
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So, finding a way to get that gap smaller.
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And when she is talking about the firewall of these next few states that she's going
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to now after New Hampshire, especially South Carolina, that are more diverse -- these are
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overwhelmingly white states -- she's hoping that her success with minority voters will
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help put her over the top in those states.
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But I don't know.
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But she's got to be able to -- now that she's lost in New Hampshire, does she still have
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that...
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(CROSSTALK)
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GWEN IFILL: Well, that's the thing.
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Every piece of conventional wisdom this year has gone out the window.
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AMY WALTER: Exactly.
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Exactly.
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GWEN IFILL: So, do firewalls even exist anymore?
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AMY WALTER: That's right.
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And when you start -- when you hear a campaign start talking about firewalls, then you know
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have a problem, right?
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When the campaign -- that is usually -- the issue is the message and the messenger are
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usually the bigger problem.
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And Bernie Sanders, his message is resonating.
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Again, we haven't seen it resonate outside two small states that are pretty homogeneous.
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Let's see how it -- once we get into states that are a little more diverse and bigger
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if that is still going to work.
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But it's clearly struck a chord.
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And I think the problems that we're seeing for Hillary Clinton raised in New Hampshire,
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raised in Iowa are going to continue to dog her.
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JUDY WOODRUFF: And fascinating, the difficulty she's had with women voters.
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She made this a central feature of her campaign this time, unlike in 2008.
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And yet Bernie Sanders won with women.
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And she had very tough time with women in Iowa.
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AMY WALTER: He won with women narrowly.
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But here is the other takeaway.
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He won among men by over 30 points.
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That is remarkable.
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So, we spent a whole lot of time talking about, will women rally around her?
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We kind of ignored the fact that...
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(CROSSTALK)
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GWEN IFILL: There could be a backlash.
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AMY WALTER: That's right, or that she's not finding a way to connect with men in the way
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that she needs to.
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GWEN IFILL: I don't want to underplay Donald Trump's victory tonight.
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He exceeded expectations, 2-1, I think, over John Kasich, who came in number two.
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AMY WALTER: Yes, absolutely.
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GWEN IFILL: He even seemed a little bit surprised and muted by it tonight.
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AMY WALTER: Yes.
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GWEN IFILL: So, what does he do next?
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AMY WALTER: Well, he goes to South Carolina.
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And I think this gives him a great, big boost.
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He's in a great position in South Carolina.
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He was already running ahead in that state.
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And he also benefits from the fact that that establishment that was supposed to coalesce
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behind one candidate in New Hampshire still looks like a muddled mess.
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So, we go into South Carolina with a Rubio, a Christie, a Kasich battling for that.
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Cruz, I think, will do well in South Carolina.
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And right now, that is going to be the big thing to look for, is Cruz vs. Trump in South
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Carolina.
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Do they go at it so hard that it allows a third candidate to come up and win?
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GWEN IFILL: Fascinating.
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JUDY WOODRUFF: Fascinating, so many questions.
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Amy Walter, thank you.
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AMY WALTER: Thank you.
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JUDY WOODRUFF: And we're going to do some digging now into facts and figures that aren't